Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-06-26

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12:30 lichtkind hej jo whazzup
12:31 masak o/
12:31 masak just finished my second teching assignment today.
12:33 lichtkind masak: im blind
12:33 lichtkind masak: great
12:33 lichtkind masak: i didnt seen you because your mod and i only looked between l and m
12:34 masak Smart Girl ops me when I come here.
12:34 masak zarah: you're a smart girl, zarah.
12:34 zarah masak: If I'm smart, why wasn't _I_ invited, too? Am I a second-class citizen?
12:34 masak zarah: invited? you're here all the time!
12:34 zarah masak: you've just exceeded my capabilities :/
12:34 masak :/
12:35 lichtkind masak: hast means "ops me" ?
12:35 masak 'makes me an operator'.
12:35 masak of the channel.
12:36 lichtkind masak: ah now i understand
12:37 masak lichtkind: have you said hello to zarah, by the way? she's our house bot.
12:37 lichtkind masak: where los of action yesterday, viklung suggested me to create own wiki syntax because most of them suck badly especially
12:37 lichtkind i missed that
12:37 lichtkind hello zarah
12:37 masak Yet Another Wiki Syntax? :)
12:38 lichtkind masak: yes it sounds terrible
12:38 masak no, but maybe a bit unnecessary :)
12:38 masak creating a new syntax is a lot of work.
12:38 lichtkind but to tell the truth socialtext and twiki are pain in the ass if you have an special char laden lang like perl 6
12:39 lichtkind i want something taht just works and don't comes into my way
12:39 lichtkind and textile is too simple for programmer related stuff
12:40 masak I'm not going to stop someone from inventing a new wiki markup.
12:40 masak I'm just saying my focus will be on the MediaWiki syntax.
12:40 masak it would be nice to explore having different syntaxes in the same wiki instance.
12:42 lichtkind masak: yes we talked yesterday about it and it excites me too
12:43 lichtkind and having as well P5POD and P6POD as markup
12:43 masak aye.
12:43 masak there are many possibilities indeed.
12:43 masak making a markup parser is quite a lot of work, though.
12:44 lichtkind i thought having p6regex in place its cake
12:46 lichtkind masak: media wiki syntax works for the most part but as i said socialtext as well as twiki drives me up the wall
12:47 masak my focus is on MediaWiki markup.
12:47 masak I hope to make it bug-for-bug compatible with the one used by MediaWiki.
12:47 lichtkind masak: on of the coolest mediawiki markup tags is: <source lang="perl"></source> :)
12:47 masak oh, we should definitely have that one.
13:00 lichtkind masak: i currently research that one of the most cool things on socialtext is possible with mediawiki with a template but i m shure november don't does templates yet
13:03 masak your suspicion is correct.
13:06 lichtkind masak: that is the cool template i want to have supported {{#if: {{{1|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{1|}}}}}{{#if: {{{2|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{2|}}}}}{{#if: {{{3|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{3|}}}}}{{#if: {{{4|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{4|}}}}} {{#if: {{{5|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{5|}}}}}{{#if: {{{6|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{6|}}}}} }} }}}} }} }} }}<noinclude>
13:06 lichtkind {{Dokumentation}}
13:06 lichtkind at least a simplified version
13:06 lichtkind that would make november superiour to cocialtext and twiki
13:07 masak that wasn't very easy to read, unfortunately.
13:07 lichtkind i dont understand it eather i only know what it does
13:09 lichtkind great advantage of mediawiki is the monospaces fonts and that you can link from boxes
13:10 lichtkind only downside is the bit crappy syntax for basic text formating
13:12 masak I think it's OK.
13:23 lichtkind do you know how to unquote wiki markup ?
13:25 masak in MediaWiki? I think it's <nowiki>...</nowiki> there.
13:26 lichtkind masak: right i liked the {{ ... }} of socialtext better but it works
13:26 masak well, the thing about full compatibility with MediaWiki markup is that it kinda rules out other constructs.
13:27 masak it would go well with a SocialText markup, though.
13:27 masak but I think I'll let someone else write that.
13:27 lichtkind ;)
13:27 lichtkind masak: can zarah leave viklund a msg?
13:29 masak zarah: tell lichtkind yes, she can.
13:29 zarah Consider it noted.
13:29 lichtkind hah :)
13:29 zarah lichtkind: You have new messages. Write '/msg zarah @messages' to read them.
13:30 masak zarah++
13:30 lichtkind masak: you wrote her?
13:30 masak aye.
13:30 masak @messages
13:30 zarah masak: You have no new messages.
13:30 lichtkind masak: in perl 6?
13:31 masak still Perl 5/Moose.
13:31 masak and POE.
13:31 lichtkind zarah: tell viklund after checking some details i found that Mediawiki syntax is good enough for now/ suck much less than socialtext/Twiki
13:31 zarah Consider it noted.
13:36 masak @botsnack
13:36 zarah ;)
13:36 masak @help
13:36 zarah masak: avaliable commands are botsnack clear-messages gist google help hi karma messages pelezilla ping plan planet pong ps replan restart seen slap start stop tell thanks unplan
13:39 masak zarah: but do you serve cold lemonade?
13:39 zarah masak: that was not so easy for a little bot to understand
13:39 masak zarah: oh, shut up. :)
13:39 zarah masak: :)
14:06 lichtkind masak: has she some sort of AI?
14:07 masak lichtkind: you mean like Skynet?
14:08 lichtkind masak: smaller versions are enough for "oh, hut up" i suppose
14:08 masak I think I have to answer "no, she doesn't have some sort of AI", but I must also confess I don't really know what an AI would be in this case.
14:08 masak but she is smart. :)
14:08 masak zarah: you're a smart girl!
14:08 zarah masak: Isn't it time you married me? Over.
14:12 masak zarah: no!
14:12 zarah masak: I see.
14:13 lichtkind masak: what i basically did yesterday: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/ind​ex.cgi?perl_lookup_table#regex_modifier
14:13 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/npfme7
14:18 masak nice.
14:24 lichtkind masak longest token rule means if i search for here | heredoc it would prefer heredoc ?
14:24 masak exactly.
14:25 masak and you get Longest-Token Matching with C<|>, but ordinary behaviour with C<||>.
14:27 lichtkind masak: thanks p6 is a beast, shall we bet is index gets in the end above or below 1000 entries ? :)
14:27 masak I don't bet, I'm a mormon.
14:28 lichtkind really?
14:28 masak no, just messing with you. :)
14:29 PerlJam there's no bet.  it will be > 1000 entries
14:30 masak glad I didn't take the bet, then.
14:30 lichtkind holy shit but i dont do that alone :)
14:31 lichtkind masak: the founder of mormons wrote some very insightfil things, unfortunately they are today very much involved in secret services
14:32 lichtkind masak: i also don't like beting but DONT MESS WITH LICHTKIND :((
14:32 lichtkind hahaha
14:32 * masak hides
14:33 masak PerlJam: if anyone asks for me, I'm not here.
14:39 lichtkind masak: com on little masak its not so bad outside
15:00 lichtkind masak: are no labeled links possible?
15:00 masak lichtkind: not yet, no.
15:00 lichtkind masak: arrgh are now labeled links possible?
15:00 lichtkind thanks
15:01 masak I hope to get around to implementing that soonish.
15:01 masak there's some available time coming up this weekend.
15:01 lichtkind masak: i can code around them but the broken tags are a real showstopper
15:03 masak lichtkind: the guy who implemented tags is called ihrd. he's very busy these days, since the downturn of the economy affected him adversely.
15:03 masak lichtkind: in the short run, maybe we should disable tags so that we don't expose them in a broken state?
15:03 lichtkind yes thats maybe better
15:04 lichtkind there not broken in general but spaces dont work with them and "perl 6" is the most important tag
15:05 masak I'm sorry, I just don't find tags all that important at all.
15:05 masak but I agree that it's bad that we have them online if they don't work to spec.
15:09 lichtkind masak: yes you a sort of broken link  screen
15:09 lichtkind some simple visual improvements would also help
15:09 lichtkind buts that not pressing
15:13 lichtkind masak: but put off the tags would really help since i advertize now in my talks november, and it should not brake
15:16 lichtkind masak: prepare for new heads, when i talk at frankfurt perl mongers and at YAPC about november :)
15:19 masak :)
15:20 lichtkind ahh masak is happy again :)
15:21 masak yes, and I've learned an important lesson -- not to mess with lichtkind.
15:21 masak next time I'll say I'm a freemason instead.
15:22 lichtkind masak: are you one :) ?
15:22 masak maybe... :)
15:22 lichtkind masak: i dont like thought control in any kind, i was just joking too
15:23 masak oh, I'm all for thought control.
15:23 masak as long as it's my thoughts and me doing the controlling.
15:23 lichtkind masak: wise words
15:33 lichtkind masak: and to be serious for a second, my childhood was in part cruel enough that i dont like to opress noone
15:37 masak lichtkind: sorry to hear that. good thing about the opress-no-one policy, though. I like that.
15:55 lichtkind masak: thanks but no need for dorry i have what we call in german single fighter menality, and its mostly healed anyway
15:56 masak good.
15:56 lichtkind s/dorry/sorry/
15:58 lichtkind m, mm, s,ss, rx are now also in the index
16:01 lichtkind the second hardest thing is to label categorize and crosslink everything correctly
16:01 lichtkind but once done its really usefull
16:05 PerlJam crosslinking++
16:07 lichtkind PerlJam: yes but ther english version is in that respects far behind the german where most parts are written
16:25 lichtkind PerlJam: when anything is categorized and labeled search will be effective even if you dunno exactly what you looking for
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18:54 lichtkind viklund: hello, got msg?
19:12 viklund msg? what msg?
19:12 zarah viklund: You have new messages. Write '/msg zarah @messages' to read them.
19:12 viklund @messages
19:12 viklund ahh
19:12 zarah viklund: 5 h 40 m 48 s ago, lichtkind said after checking some details i found that Mediawiki syntax is good enough for now/ suck much less than socialtext/Twiki
19:12 viklund good, then you only need to bang on masak ;)
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