Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-07-27

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08:09 eiro hello november
08:11 masak oh hai eiro
08:23 masak I looked into setting up a smartlinks HTML renderer yesterday. it seems doable.
08:23 masak szabgab: you've packaged Text::SmartLinks for CPAN, haven't you?
08:23 szabgab yes
08:24 masak szabgab: in your opinion, could I use that one, or should I tailor my own?
08:24 szabgab after doing that I had second thoughts about the whole smartlinks business, I though it might be better to link to X<> tags in the pods
08:25 szabgab that would of course require adding X<> tags in many places but maybe that would be an advantage in any case
08:25 szabgab I'd say give it a ride and fix anything you think should be fixed
08:26 masak that's my plan.
08:26 szabgab the source is still in the pugs repo and I give you co-maintainer on CPAN so you can upload new versions too
08:26 masak ooh!
08:26 masak don't know yet if I will, but thanks.
08:26 masak biggest difference is, I think, that my Pod is Perl 6 Pod.
08:26 masak feels silly to use POD for a Perl 6 app suite.
08:27 szabgab it should be able to handle perl6 pod as well
08:27 masak even render it?
08:27 szabgab I don't remember, one of the specs is in Perl 6 pod
08:27 masak yes, S26.
08:27 szabgab so there is some if() for that
08:27 masak oh well, I'll try it and see how far I get.
08:28 szabgab in any case I think it is better to fix the one that is also used by P6 than to create a new one
08:28 szabgab I don't have any sentimental attachments to that one :-)
08:30 masak good :)
08:34 szabgab btw regardng proto I thought to add 'help' and 'list' to list projects
08:34 szabgab if you are ok with that
08:35 masak sounds fine.
08:36 masak I'm slightly wary about 'list', but might accept it.
08:36 masak yes, it's fine.
08:36 masak my initial reaction to feature requests for proto is 'nonono, no more features!' :)
08:37 masak but both of these seem to be beneficial, and won't require any significant new architecture.
08:37 szabgab nothing really, just two new methods
08:39 masak I guess 'list' should have the same syntax as 'install'.
08:39 szabgab for now I just though of a single list command
08:39 szabgab that lists all the registered ones
08:40 szabgab and help will just replace the Available commands .... text
08:40 masak szabgab: well, 'list' will at least have to support things like 'list installed'.
08:41 szabgab ah, that could be interesting too, I just though about list available
08:41 szabgab so I won't have to read the project.list file :-)
08:42 masak :)
08:42 szabgab anyway I'll try to do the help now, and then go back to the things I should really do
08:42 masak szabgab++
08:43 szabgab such as preparing for my perl 6 class in Lisbon
08:46 masak szabgab: I'll come to your class, by the way.
08:48 szabgab the 2 days long training ?
08:49 masak yes, the one on Saturday-Sunday.
08:49 masak finally I get to learn Perl 6!
08:50 szabgab and you have paid ?
08:50 masak oh, I didn't know I should.
08:50 masak how much is it? how do I pay?
08:51 szabgab it costs 220 EURO but I would not dare to accept money from you, except of the cost to of the room
08:51 szabgab which is 20 EURO
08:51 masak :)
08:51 szabgab I mean you know about 100 times more about Perl 6 than I do
08:51 masak I'll process this information, and see what I decide to do.
08:52 szabgab I'd love if you were in the class (again :-)
08:52 szabgab as someone would actually help me out
08:52 masak in that case, I'd love to come.
08:52 szabgab but really I have no clue about P6 compared to you
08:52 masak like pmichaud and TimToady, I like to see Perl 6 being taught.
08:53 szabgab It would be actually fun to see both of those too coming in the class
08:53 szabgab but you have already see me faking it once
08:53 masak szabgab: I think you overestimate the difference between our Perl 6 skills. I think the difference between the two of us is mainly that I've written more module code.
08:54 szabgab you are probably right
08:54 masak it's really interesting to see Perl 6 education taking shape.
08:54 szabgab it maybe it is only 10 times more
08:54 masak anyway, I'll gladly pay 20 EUR to attend.
08:54 szabgab leave that
08:54 szabgab we have a beer together
08:54 masak as you wish. :)
08:55 szabgab in some expensive country :-)
08:55 masak :)
08:56 szabgab but I have a question, how would you draw an image from Perl 6 ?
08:57 eiro szabgab, szabgab my own approach would be:
08:57 eiro hack the Tags module to support SVG
08:57 eiro use it
08:57 masak szabgab: http://use.perl.org/~masak/journal/39152
08:57 zarah masak's link is also http://tinyurl.com/mzzged
08:58 eiro write an xslt to convert svg yo html canevas :)
08:58 masak eiro: there's also a useable SVG module already out there.
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08:58 eiro wow :) cool
08:58 eiro well .. it's a part of druid
08:59 eiro 3D! awsome :)
08:59 masak :)
08:59 masak I really hope to make some headway with Druid-for-Web.pm.
08:59 masak I think people will start to play it when it's playable through a web interface.
09:00 masak (and I'm longing for worthy opponents)
09:05 szabgab very nice
09:05 szabgab I'll give it a try
09:07 masak as usual, any feedback is welcome. there's a Daniel Schroeer who has helped me improve the SVG module, but as usual, there's much more to be done.
09:09 szabgab masak, btw http://szabgab.com/blog/2009/07/1248597502.html
09:09 zarah szabgab's link is also http://tinyurl.com/mx28ne
09:11 masak szabgab: cool!
09:18 eiro masak, why don't try html canevas ? it would be cool to add animations
09:22 masak eiro: it would indeed. feel free to try anything you have time for.
09:24 eiro masak, yep... i read an experiment Web.pm when i have some minutes to do it :)
09:24 eiro step by step is better than nothing :)
09:24 eiro but definitly: perl6 is *much* better than perl5 is
09:24 masak eiro: but still lacking in libraries.
09:47 eiro masak, sure ... frustrating me a lot :)
09:48 masak eiro: aye.
09:48 masak it's also a challenge and an opportunity, though.
09:54 szabgab in URI.pm there is    a line         @!chunks = undef;
09:54 szabgab which is I think should be        @!chunks = ();
09:55 masak yes, that sounds reasonable.
09:55 szabgab hmm, in the rest of the code an empty sting is pushed as the first element of that array
09:56 szabgab let me try to read it to the end
09:56 masak :)
09:56 masak that's ihrd++'s code, methinks.
09:56 szabgab yes
09:56 szabgab just checked .git/config
09:58 szabgab hmm the chunks accessor is heavily used in tests but not elsewhere and it is not documented either
10:01 szabgab hmm, I see I can configure proto to try to use the developer git url but if I don't have commit bit on a code and would like to fork it on github and then tell proto to fetch it from that fork ?
10:03 szabgab ihrd, and i don't understand why do you need to clear the string before parsing it ?
10:03 szabgab (just to be on the first 5 lines of the code :-)
10:04 masak szabgab: proto doesn't support forked repositories.
10:04 masak szabgab: you can, however, download the forked repo manually, and then use proto to update it as usual.
10:05 szabgab ty
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10:30 eiro masak, sure it's an opportunity ... when you have time :)
10:31 masak eiro: well, I didn't just mean it that way.
10:31 masak eiro: it's also an opportunity to think about what libraries and tools we really need.
10:32 eiro masak, yes ... i think a lot, i don't write enought (by lack of time) and this is frustrating me
10:32 eiro but hey: i'll shut up and write :)
10:35 masak sounds like a plan. :)
10:42 eiro yep :)
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