Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-10-01

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10:53 lichtkind masak: hai hai
10:54 masak lichtkind: hai there. long time no see.
10:54 zarah masak: You have new messages. Write '/msg zarah @messages' to read them.
10:55 lichtkind masak: yes had double, triple workload than usual, halliday and so
10:55 masak ok.
10:56 lichtkind masak: but im i the road again, checked the wiki changes and now written another perl article preparing a 2 day workshop(all wxperl) but slowly i get things done
10:57 lichtkind masak: i think first i will finish november content
10:57 lichtkind masak: did you anything on it lately?
10:57 masak unfortunately not.
10:57 masak still working mostly on Web.pm
10:58 lichtkind and how is progress with that?
10:58 masak but November (the month) is approaching, and then I will surely turn my attention to November (the wiki)
10:58 masak progress on Web.pm is gradual but promising.
11:00 lichtkind is rakudo * on track?
11:08 lichtkind masak: i try to catch up reading blogs but happened somthing greater to perl 6 or rakudo?
11:12 masak in the past month?
11:12 masak well, right now what's happening is that pmichaud is working on a PGE rewrite.
11:12 masak we're all pretty excited about that, I think.
11:13 masak jnthn is on vacation, but stopping by now and then to tell us how tasty Korean food is.
11:13 masak he'll be back next week.
11:13 masak mberends and I are planning a coup d'etat for the Temporal spec, where we simultaneously evolve the spec, the spectests and Rakudo, to minimize bikeshedding.
11:14 masak I think the question 'is Rakudo * on track?' is a very vague one. pmichaud might know more details, though.
11:15 masak I'd say we're still far enough off that nothing has slipped yet. but all helping hands are welcome, of course.
11:15 masak I'm having some loose plans for how to get work on u4x flowing.
11:16 lichtkind what is bikeshedding ?
11:16 lichtkind masak: and why needed PGE to be rewritten
11:17 masak 'bikeshedding' is a traditional term for endless discussions on details.
11:17 masak pmichaud originally only planned to extend PGE, not rewrite it.
11:17 masak but it seems he got more and more ideas that eventually led him to rewrite it.
11:18 masak two fallouts from the rewrite will be protoregexes and variable interpolation, as I understand it.
11:18 masak hopefully also regex tracing.
11:22 lichtkind masak: whats that?
11:22 masak emitting debug messages while going through the regex motions.
11:23 masak I first saw it in TheDamian's talk on Regexp::Grammars at YAPC::EU
11:23 lichtkind you mean that will be helpfull?
11:29 masak lichtkind: yes. example: I'd like to build a web application which shows exactly which parts of a given grammar matched a given string.
11:29 masak with the proposed tracing API, I could do that.
11:31 lichtkind cool
11:41 masak oh, and another thing: I proposed building a piece of vapourware, which became wildly popular. you can read about it here: http://use.perl.org/~masak/journal/39639
11:41 zarah masak's link is also http://tinyurl.com/lc4dvu
11:41 masak zarah: thanks
11:41 zarah masak: no, YOU'RE the cute one! :)
11:41 masak :)
11:56 lichtkind masak: zahahs is well trained
11:56 masak she's the nicest bot I know.
11:56 lichtkind masak: btw did you know that jesus doughter name was sarah?
11:56 masak no.
11:57 lichtkind masak: of course pope would never admit but its widely known :)
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12:12 lichtkind ruoso: hai
12:12 lichtkind masak: thanks willr ead that
13:07 wayland76 Widely known to have no supporting evidence, from what Google tells me, unless you count someone who thinks she's the reincarnated version
13:12 masak I'm glad someone else decided to reply to that.
13:12 masak frankly, it feels neither relevant or interesting to me.
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14:28 masak article in Nature: as a matter of statistical probability, "[i]f anyone living today is descended from Jesus, so are most of us on the planet."
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18:28 lichtkind_ Tene: hejho
18:29 Tene hi
18:29 zarah hi Tene
18:30 lichtkind Tene: im just back after some week anbd want know what happend (yes i read blogs)
18:33 Tene what happened with what?
18:34 lichtkind Tene: perl 6 developement
18:34 Tene Ah, um... dunno. >.>
18:35 Tene pmichaud is working on his new grammar engine
18:35 lichtkind Tene: that i heard , he rewrites pge, but i asked more about what your involved in :)
18:35 Tene lots of work on parrot infrastructure; not so much on Rakudo
18:35 Tene Oh, me?
18:35 Tene I've been working on plumage, mainly.
18:35 Tene The module repo for Parrot.
18:36 Tene I got some SQL libs working for masak to use in his ORM
18:37 Tene Need to get them installable from plumage, 'cos all unnecessary libs need ot be out of the Parrot repo real soon now
18:40 lichtkind Tene: so plumage is something different than cpan6
18:41 Tene It's... well...
18:41 Tene There's been a lot of talk, and I mean a *lot* of talk, over the years about different module systems and cpan6 anc 6pan and other acronyms and bar bar bar bar bar
18:42 Tene plumage is "Okay, let's stop talking and actually *implement* something, dammit"
18:42 Tene It's going to be at least the module installation utility for Parrot.
18:43 Tene Other HLLs might or might not implement their own separate systems for hll libs.
18:43 Tene I don't know if plumage aspires to include HLL libs or not, but I suspect it does.
19:18 lichtkind Tene: sound great, i supposed to be something like that, but a thought 6pan had extensive implementation since years
19:18 lichtkind but its your turn anyway
19:25 lichtkind Tene: thanks a lot for the answers
19:25 lichtkind Tene: i just want to keep on writing in novemnber
19:54 Tene lichtkind: looks like plumage would be used to install rakudo itself, but not perl 6 modules.
19:54 Tene lichtkind: I've never seen 6pan, or seen rakudo people talk about it, or use it.
19:55 lichtkind Tene: yeah its from overmeer but he ahs very outreaching plans and fiddeling since years on it with all needs of parrot in mind from the start
19:57 lichtkind Tene: will go to bed seeya
19:57 lichtkind goodnight
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