Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #onionsketch, 2012-09-05

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14:28 Dom joined #onionsketch
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18:13 rjbs Sorry, I always seem to need a poke.
18:14 rjbs rafl: Dom is hopefully going to be able to get some time to work on 5.14.3, so he's joining us.
18:14 rafl awesome.
18:14 rafl Dom++
18:14 rjbs I know you (rafl) have no need for a release bit.  I have added "Get one for Dom" to my todo.
18:15 rjbs rafl knows the drill, so I'll be mostly brief.
18:15 rjbs Dom: chime in please with any questions!
18:15 Dom Will do!
18:15 rjbs rafl: I think the RMG has changed a bit since your last release.  Rolsky did an overhaul, and I forget whether it predates your last release.
18:15 rjbs rafl: given it a look recently?
18:15 rafl my last release does predate the RMG overhaul
18:15 rafl i did start looking over the new docs today, though
18:16 rafl it seems to be even more straight forward than it was
18:16 rjbs yeah, I think it's a pure improvement
18:16 rjbs also, the only notable gotcha in the change in procedure is that version bumping now happens /after/ you release; blead should already be claiming to be 5.17.4
18:16 rjbs (and it is)
18:16 Dom I haven't managed to look yet, but am I correct in assuming that the RMG from blead is always the one to use?
18:17 Dom (including for maint releases)
18:17 rafl i noticed. i'm a big fan of that change.
18:17 rjbs Dom: That's right — and feel free to port it back if you like!
18:17 rafl well. sometimes the Porting/ tools in maint do differ from the ones described in bleads RMG
18:17 rafl but i guess it's rare
18:18 Dom I think that would go in the category of: it would give me practice in backporting, without much practical benefit
18:18 Dom rafl: good point
18:18 rjbs rafl: I don't believe we have any critical open problems right now, nor do I think we have any changes likely to cause problems /yet/.
18:18 rafl i don't think so either. just something to keep in mind, i guess
18:18 rjbs there are some unicode changes that I think are unlikely to cause chaos, and similarly some Configure changes
18:19 rjbs Dom: I'd probably skip it; the RMG lets you emit an HTML checklist,w hich I'd do on blead, then go back to maint-5.14.
18:19 rjbs It's unlikely that you'll need to run any unusual porting programs other than the version bumper and delta maker.
18:20 Dom Awesome.
18:20 rjbs Smoke reports, as usual, still end up at:
18:20 rjbs - http://perl.develop-help.com/?b=blead - http://doc.procura.nl/smoke/index.html
18:20 rjbs http://www.test-smoke.org/status.shtml
18:20 rjbs although that last one might not be up right now
18:20 rjbs Keep an eye on the smoke. :-)
18:21 rjbs Dom: maint-5.14 will get smoked on its own, and definitely call for people to give it a test manually, of course
18:21 rjbs Dom: That is, we'll want an RC1 (at least) before 5.14.3 :)
18:21 Dom yes
18:22 rjbs It's the beginning of the process for both 5.17.4 and 5.14.3, so I'm not guessing either of you have hit any problems needing technical assistance... but it's on my list, so I'm gonna ask.  Anybody?
18:22 Dom Not a problem, but a general thought: I was thinking of using a meta RT ticket to track things to do for 5.14.3
18:23 rjbs I absolutely approve of that.
18:23 rafl no problems whatsoever
18:23 Dom I think I probably have sufficient magic bits on rt.perl.org.
18:23 rjbs Dom: I'll try to review my list of outstanding pull requests, although I think I already got them all onto maint-5.14-rjbs — and will get them into tickets on there.
18:23 Dom but will shout if not
18:23 rjbs Dom: Cool.  You'll still have to use perlbug to create the ticket, afaik.
18:24 rjbs rafl: I have a pile of back threads to weigh in on, which may lead to a few contentious changes happening, so ... I'll let you know.  In the end, it shouldn't affect you too much other than meaning the delta needs attention.
18:25 rjbs Dom: ...and you let me know if you need me to look at any iffy request for backporting.
18:25 rjbs That's all I've got.  Anything you gents need from me?
18:25 rafl rjbs: sure. noted
18:25 rafl rjbs: i'm good for now
18:26 Dom yeah, likewise, I think.
18:26 rjbs I have our next meeting (rafl) down for Sep 19, 14:00 NYC time.
18:26 Dom As I noted by email I can't guarantee when exactly the round tuits will arrive
18:26 Dom but I've put in an order for some ;)
18:26 rjbs Dom: you are of course welcome to pop in then if you want to ensure some structured question-asking time with a person or three who have a clue about doing a release
18:26 rjbs I will try to get the October RM there, too, although I think that the person who is doing it will be changing between now and then.
18:27 rafl rjbs: not entirely sure about the time yet, but i'll let you know well in advance if i'll need to change it
18:27 rjbs Okay!
18:27 Dom rjbs: thanks
18:27 rjbs Dom: Thank _you_!
18:27 rjbs Okay, thanks for your time.  I will detain you no longer.  I look forward to brewing some new perls in the near future. :)
18:27 rafl thanks
18:28 Dom '
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