Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #onionsketch, 2012-10-09

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14:16 rjbs rafl: Morning!
14:16 rafl hey
14:17 rjbs So, 5.17.5 is marching toward us!
14:18 rafl yes, yes it is! god damn deadlines!
14:18 rjbs Dom: ...and 5.14.3, hopefully, soon, after annoying delays by rjbs. :(
14:18 rafl oh. what happened?
14:18 rjbs Had to hold things up to review some problem reports.  Should be all sorted out tomorrow.
14:19 rafl ah, cool.
14:19 rjbs rafl: So, despite a decent amount of list *traffic* I don't think 5.17.5 looks to contain too much scary change that's got me worried, yet.
14:19 Dom rjbs: yes (only half here, as working)
14:20 rjbs Dom: No problem, I gave you no notice and don't need to harass you. :)
14:20 rjbs rafl: I really do hope to finish reviewing and merging Shlomi's debugger work so far.
14:20 rafl rjbs: compared to last month, the amount of commits is really really low, and so is the amount of big scary changes, of which i count zero so far
14:20 rjbs Yeah.  Perhaps everyone else is also watching horror movies instead of hacking.
14:21 rjbs Also, Nick is moving, and Sprout is working on branches.
14:21 rafl i've looked at one branch of his. it didn't seem too scary
14:21 rafl the ookow one
14:21 rjbs Maybe I'll get the debugger review done today or tomorrow so I can get that change in this release so that the breakage can be picked up ASAP.
14:22 rjbs The changes are sometimes hard to follow, because the originall perl5db code is so special.
14:22 rafl quite
14:22 rjbs I know you're all set with release bits, knowledge of the RMG, catching up with last month's release manager, and so on.
14:22 rafl but, as far as i can tell, just letting changes that *look* good enough go in and deal with the fallout right after seems to have worked out ok
14:23 rjbs Yeah, it's not my favorite strategy, but I think for perl5db it's going to be the easiest one to cope with.
14:23 rafl we had a few debugger fuckups, but, as far as i'm aware, they've all been fixed less than a month later
14:23 rjbs So, since you know wtf is going on, and since the core is pretty stable so far this month, I don't think we have much of note to put on the table.
14:23 rjbs Anything you need from me?
14:23 rafl i'm not a huge fan of the strategy either. just saying it didn't cause too much havoc when applied to the debugger yet
14:23 rjbs Yeah.
14:23 rafl i'm ok
14:24 rafl i'm perldeltaing away in a local branch
14:24 rjbs Excellent.
14:24 rafl and writing slides on the side
14:24 rafl i'm thinking of possibly automating a few things some more, so i can actually do them live without boring people
14:24 rjbs I'm going to start polling for any 5.16.2 change candidates so I can try to hit the Nov 1 release date.
14:24 rjbs That would be awesome.
14:24 rjbs (awesome: automating more)
14:25 rafl but i'm not yet sure i feel comfortable relying on some newfangled tools for a release without having the time to review their output properly
14:25 rafl as they might always behave slightly differently after that one commit just before the release that i haven't tested them with yet
14:25 rafl yay for 16.2
14:25 rjbs Abigail is doing the November release; we'll see if we can't get him for the 2nd October #onionsketch.  He's on vacation, iirc, though, and might not be able to make it.
14:25 rafl are you gonna do the release yourself?
14:26 rjbs I am.
14:26 rjbs Gotta stay limber.
14:26 rafl awesome
14:26 rafl i'm also flexible on when we sketch onions if it allows Abigail to attend
14:27 rjbs Okay.  I'll see what he says.  Are Wed/Thur plausible for you next week?
14:27 rafl but i'll probably be also around later as well, so i'm happy to join on whenever you schedule something with him, if you want
14:27 rjbs I know you're traveling.
14:27 rafl won't be too much after ::Brasil. back in one place for a while at the 26th
14:28 rjbs I'll drop an email to the two of you and we'll sort something out.
14:28 rafl cool
14:28 rjbs Okay, I think that's that.  Good luck with the delta-ing and automation.
14:28 rjbs and let me know if anything weird comes up
14:28 rjbs and enjoy Brazil!
14:28 rafl will do, on both counts! :)
14:28 rafl thanks :)

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