Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #onionsketch, 2013-06-05

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13:23 rjbs Phew, thanks Calendar.
13:23 rjbs If I hadn't put an audio alert on my calendar, I would've forgotten. :(
13:29 rjbs xdg reports he should be here in ~15m
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13:37 rjbs Hello!
13:37 xdg howdy
13:38 xdg sorry for the lateness.  I was press-ganged into preschool tech support.
13:38 rjbs No problem whatsoever
13:38 rjbs Okay!
13:38 xdg so how does this go?
13:39 xdg (i see many lurkers)
13:39 rjbs I have a "stock agenda," which I should publish.  For now, since I'm just a bit pressed for time, I will walk us through it.
13:39 xdg sure
13:39 rjbs For those who may be reading this:  I'm at YAPC::NA, and will need to get a move on in a bit to get to the venue.
13:39 rjbs 1: Old business.
13:40 xdg yes, I'm getting old
13:40 rjbs Well, we have no business from the last two dev releases, 5.17.11 and 5.19.0, because I was a loose cannon and did them both without an onionsketch.
13:40 rjbs I thought it might've been a bit weird to sit on IRC and checklist with myself.
13:40 xdg (could have delegated)
13:40 rjbs xdg: ...but what this means is that the repo is now in a state where I have been the only releaser for three releases in a row.
13:40 xdg (checklisting you)
13:40 * xdg cringes
13:40 rjbs xdg: indeed; mostly, I was probably lazy
13:41 xdg anything sticky that you remember?
13:41 rjbs xdg: I think the repo is actually just fine.  Getting it fixed for 5.19.0 is a pain, which is part of why I wanted that out the door.  So it should be set up correctly now for 19.1
13:41 rjbs I don't remember any issues whatsoever, thankfully.
13:41 xdg the version substitutions?  yes, that's a PITA.
13:42 rjbs Yeah, when you try to set up a new perldelta for blead.zero, it wants to be maint.one instead
13:42 rjbs since it happens once a year ,I have not improved the automation
13:42 xdg good call.  abigail would approve.  :-)
13:42 rjbs :)
13:42 rjbs 2) release prep
13:42 rjbs You have a commit bit and PAUSE permissions.  So that's that.
13:42 rjbs 3) known issues!
13:43 rjbs I don't know any known issues right now, but I have not been watching p5p for the last 3-4 days while I'm traveling.
13:43 rjbs Blead still smokes clean *for me*, though, which is not so bad.
13:43 xdg release prep -- do we know if klapperl has fixed indexing?
13:43 rjbs Are you better caught up on p5p?
13:43 rjbs He has, I believe.
13:43 rjbs We talked about the inde... oh, hm.
13:44 rjbs So, 5.17.4, I think, was the last dev release that got indexed.
13:44 rjbs After 5.18.0, it was removed and the index fixed.
13:44 rjbs 5.19.0 did not show problems
13:44 rjbs The thing to follow up on is: some things still need to be fixed for case-sens.
13:44 xdg OK.  And devs aren't indexed going forward.
13:44 rjbs File::Stat, for example, is still wrong.
13:44 xdg right.  Do you want to lean on him again for that?
13:44 rjbs I sent him some mail about this, but I'll revisit it.
13:45 rjbs I'll make a GitHub issue and cc you on it, with the details.
13:45 xdg there might be one you can ping
13:45 rjbs I'll check.
13:45 rjbs I have added this to myactions.
13:45 xdg later -- your'e short on time
13:45 rjbs yeah
13:45 rjbs Have you seen anything about current known bad on p5p?
13:45 xdg I've been skimming p5p -- no glaring issues seen
13:45 rjbs great
13:45 rjbs I'm stoked to have VMS smoking back!
13:46 xdg As I mentioned somewhere, I don't know what to make of smoke reports since we seem to tolerate a lot of fail
13:46 rjbs So, I want to talk to you out of band sometime about "things we expect from monthly release person."
13:46 xdg eg http://perl5.test-smoke.org/
13:46 rjbs but not now
13:46 xdg ok
13:46 rjbs Yes, the smoke reports are not yet as redlight/greenlight as we'd like.
13:46 rjbs "It's no CPAN Testers."
13:47 rjbs I tend to skim them and look for unusual things.
13:47 xdg In tux's smoke index "FAIL (F)" is pink which he says is OK
13:47 rjbs Also, test-smoke.org, unfortunately, is only a small part of the set of test reports, as well
13:47 rjbs Yeah, we'll need to revisit the visualization of these things, and see whether we can't finally push forward their indexing in some more useful way.
13:48 rjbs What I actually find is that they're most useful for deltas between blead and smoke-me branches.
13:48 xdg good point
13:48 rjbs "oh, the same weird intermittant failures on this one smoke box, btu nothing new"
13:48 rjbs (sigh)
13:48 rjbs Keep an eye, if you would, on any new tickets that seem "blockery."
13:48 xdg other open issues I know about: deprecates haven't be shipped upstream
13:49 rjbs I will, of course, also try to be doing this.
13:49 xdg not that it should block dev
13:49 rjbs I'm not sure what you mean by that.
13:49 rjbs Oh, the new to-be-removed stuff?
13:49 xdg CGI.pm and M::B
13:49 rjbs Yeah, that needn't block dev.  I'll talk to markstos maybe today.  He's here.
13:49 xdg not shipped to CPAN with deprecate
13:50 xdg But I meant "blockery tickets shouldn't really block dev"
13:50 xdg unless it's really, really bad
13:50 xdg (and quick to fix)
13:50 rjbs As for M::B, I want to get one or two messages or posts off including Ken W., because he seems a bit unhappy about it, and I want to make sure he and I are on the same page at least.
13:50 rjbs Well, there are two kinds of blocky tickets, right:
13:50 rjbs ones to block dev (yow)
13:50 rjbs and ones to block stable
13:50 rjbs those should get assigned to the meta ticket
13:51 rjbs 09:50 >@BinGOs< rjbs: can I just note that deprecated modules will need to  marked as such in Porting/Maintainers.pl for them to be marked  in Module::CoreList
13:51 xdg the only thing that jumped out as nasty recently was ilmari's regex case interpolate thing
13:51 rjbs The meta tickt is: https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Tic​ket/Display.html?id=116923
13:51 rjbs I also hope to apply doherty's patch for deltafication of the %deprecate hash in CoreList.
13:52 rjbs xdg: I ddin't see that one yet, will look into it today.
13:52 xdg rt# 118297
13:52 rjbs Thanks!
13:52 rjbs If we're lucky (lucky?) I will get some design docs posted this month.
13:52 xdg patch already sent and backport proposed
13:52 rjbs so I may need to apologize in advance for large threads appearing
13:53 rjbs Oh, note to self: create "blocking 5.18.1" ticket for pending backports
13:53 rjbs Okay.  I don't think you need any technical assist on anything right now, right? :)
13:54 xdg Minor q on perdelta -- are we recording module updates or not?
13:54 xdg (and with detail or just version number)
13:54 rjbs We are recording updates.  Version number unless the change is known to be significant.
13:54 rjbs There's a tool to build the section for you now, iirc.
13:54 xdg I think I wrote it
13:54 rjbs thanks!
13:55 xdg but I'm using git-deltatool, so it's easy to build up as i go and look for significance
13:55 rjbs bingos' commits tend to include the changelog, so I flip through those commits to check their descriptions for anything crucial
13:56 xdg and are we freezing or branching for final release engineering?
13:56 rjbs Okay.  Also, when you are doing release-related work, make a note of anything you think we can automate better (unless you do the work to do that before reporting back) :)
13:56 rjbs Branching.  I believe the RMG now describes:
13:56 xdg ok
13:56 rjbs "make a local release-5.19 branch, do your last work there, then merge it into blead"
13:56 rjbs in *almost* every case, that final merge has been a ff
13:56 xdg that doesn't preclude a freeze
13:56 rjbs true
13:57 rjbs it's been done to avoid needing a freeze
13:57 xdg but we're open to a merge commit.  no problem.
13:57 rjbs right
13:57 xdg my git kung-fu is strong
13:57 rjbs Okay.  I have exhausted my agenda save for "confirm next date."
13:57 xdg whatever we said it was
13:57 rjbs June 19, 8:30 NYC.
13:57 xdg (2 weeks from today, I think)
13:57 rjbs Yup, great.
13:57 xdg er, 9:30 NYC, I thnk
13:58 rjbs Anything else you'd like to get on the books before I go find breakfast? :)
13:58 rjbs Yes, 9:30, sorry
13:58 rjbs My computer is in AUS time, and I forgot.
13:58 xdg australia?
13:58 rjbs Austin.
13:58 xdg :-)
13:58 rjbs Yeah, you knew that.  Sorry.  I am a wreck.
13:58 xdg no, go have breakfast and say hi to folks at yapc
13:58 rjbs I shall do that.  Thanks for your time!  Will catch up with you later.
13:58 xdg I'll email you with anything else later
13:58 * rjbs turns into a pumpkin.
13:58 * xdg bakes pie
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