Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #onionsketch, 2013-08-09

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18:05 rjbs Sorry about that!  I need to fix my IRC oper bit.
18:05 steveh No problem!
18:05 rjbs steveh: So, I have my little agenda here…
18:05 rjbs Okay!  We're both here.  Great.  First item, done.
18:06 rjbs Old business:  Only things to mention as we go through the list.
18:06 rjbs and this ain't your first rodeo, so we can skip a lot of stuff
18:07 steveh :-)
18:07 rjbs Looks like your last release was exactly a year ago!
18:07 steveh Sounds about right.
18:07 rjbs Not very much has changed in the process.  A few things have been better automated.  I believe the RMG is quite up to date.
18:08 rjbs Have you given it a review?
18:08 steveh Yeah, I diffed it against the version in the last version of perl that I released. I didn't see any nasty surprises.
18:08 rjbs Good idea!  Cool.
18:09 rjbs and you've already been chugging through day to day stuff, which has been very cheering to see :)
18:09 steveh There are a couple of questions added to it where the last RMG was wondering if certain steps were necessary, so I'll have a look at those as I go through it on the day
18:09 steveh Yep, the CPAN modules situation is looking pretty good.
18:10 rjbs Okay!  If you're not sure about any of those steps (although I doubt you'll be unsure) feel urged to ask me and/or p5p, of course.
18:10 steveh The 'cpan' and 'undef' modules only have half a dozen or so out of sync, and I've raised / commented on CPAN tickets for them all.
18:10 rjbs Last few times, much of the slog of the final release has been corelist-related.  I'm hoping we can do something to improve that situation, but I wouldn't expect it during August. :(
18:11 rjbs Great.  We had a todo come up in June:
18:11 rjbs - how much CUSTOMIZED stuff in MAintainers.PL can get dealt with upstream?
18:11 rjbs This would be good to have a look at, if you're already rooting through there.  The less CUSTOMIZED, the better, in most caes.
18:11 rjbs cases
18:12 steveh Yeah, I've mostly concentrated on Modified so far, but will indeed look at Customized next.
18:12 rjbs (This isn't urgent-for-August, of course.)
18:12 steveh GBARR also kindly gave me co-maint on libnet so that I could sync that myself since he doesn't have much time for it these days, so that's all in sync now :-)
18:13 rjbs I believe I saw you mark it upstream-blead, too, right?
18:13 steveh Yeah, I changed it to UPSTREAM => 'blead' since I'm unlikely to be an active developer of it myself. I'll be happy to take patches from blead and roll new releases out to keep things in sync.
18:13 rjbs Right.  It'd be nice for it not to be upstream blead, but better that we're honest about how it's being maintained than try to put forward a comforting falsehood. :)
18:14 steveh Absolutely. Maybe Graham will return to it one day, or perhaps some other more active maintainer will come forth.
18:15 rjbs I've not had a good look at smoke reports lately, but things seem about usual.
18:16 rjbs (I'm trying to get "look at smokes" onto my daily checklist, but I need to figure out how.  Possibly the build-daily-reports list.)
18:16 steveh I had a look a few days ago and it looked fairly quiet then.
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18:16 steveh I know there's a new op/fork.t failure, which Father C has already said he'll revert the cause of if it can't be fixed.
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18:17 rjbs Yeah, I saw that one, glad he's on top.
18:17 Topic for #onionsketch is now The State of the Onion | 5.19.3 due on August 20
18:17 rjbs I'm also not aware of any scary changes likely to land before 8/20.  One possibility is Tony C's drand work.
18:17 rjbs Right now it's not clear if it'll be done enough and smoked in 11 days, but it's a possibility.  I don't think Tony will merge it if the smokers are angry, though.
18:18 steveh Yes, I'll keep a closer eye on smoke if that does land in time, but I'm sure it'll be well smoked before then so will hopefully be ok.
18:18 rjbs Okay.  I don't really have much else.  For my part, I hope to release 5.18.1 final on Monday.  RC3 was probably unneeded, but better safe than sorry.  Tags are cheap.
18:19 steveh I've been giving each RC a testing and they all look good to me :-)
18:19 rjbs I will be out of town Aug 18-22, as I said, but in the unlikely event of anything needing ... anything, I'll be checking my email daily.
18:19 rjbs (The family and I are taking a short vacation to Philadelphia.)
18:20 rjbs Gah, I thought I thought of something a few minutes ago, and it is gone.  Should've written it.
18:20 rjbs So, I think that's it.  Hooray for old hands. :)
18:20 rjbs Anything you have questions about, or need to see get done, or anything else?
18:21 steveh Ok, thanks. I'm sure there's plenty of other help on hand if needed too.
18:21 steveh The only comment I have so far is that the release schedule looks rather bare after this one!
18:21 rjbs Yes!  I am going to line up some volunteers.
18:22 rjbs 5.20's only about eight releases away!
18:22 steveh Cool. I'm almost always around if you're stuck for volunteers but there's plenty of victims to choose from :-)
18:22 rjbs Yeah, and I'm going to try to find someone who will feel excited about trying to do even more automation. :)
18:23 steveh Good plan!
18:23 rjbs I have us down for today +7d, Aug 16, same time.
18:23 rjbs Talk to you then?
18:23 steveh Yes, ok. See you then!
18:24 rjbs Great.  Thanks for your time, now and the rest of the month!
18:24 * rjbs & back to work
18:24 steveh No worries :-)
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