Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #onionsketch, 2014-02-05

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01:56 TonyC joined #onionsketch
02:02 TonyC afternoon
02:02 rjbs Good morning/evening and welcome to the nth monthly #onionsketch!
02:03 rjbs I am here by luck.  Before we start, I'm fixing my calendar for next time to have a 15 min alert!
02:03 rjbs Okay!  Phew.
02:04 TonyC busy day?
02:04 rjbs a bit, but then more a chaotic evening
02:04 rjbs There is some looming dread that we're going to be *re*buriedin snow overnight.
02:04 TonyC ick
02:05 rjbs Yeah, not thrilled.  There's no where to shovel it!
02:05 rjbs Anyway, perl!
02:05 rjbs 5.19.9 is on the way, sealing the deal on contentious changes.
02:05 rjbs You've done this before, so I will skip all the "do you have the right permissions?" questions.
02:06 TonyC yes, just need to find an epigraph for the pre-reqs
02:06 rjbs You said you were thinking about rereading the RMG, I think.  Did you get to that?
02:07 rjbs Gosh, it's been longer than I thought since your last run.  2012-July, is that right?
02:07 TonyC most of it, it's nice to have everything documented, though I'm not sure everything in there belongs there as opposed to perlhack or somewhere else
02:07 rjbs There have been some nice improvements.
02:07 TonyC that sounds right
02:08 rjbs Yes, and on my last go-through I saw some places I meant to improve but didn't.  If they don't turn up again between now and May or so, I'll definitely do it next time.
02:08 TonyC How to sync a CPAN module with a cpan/ distro might be better elsewhere - it's not only the RM who syncs (well, it's mostly BiNGOs
02:08 rjbs Yeah, that's something I've tried to get documented better in general for years now.
02:08 rjbs the people who do it seem like mostly they want to make the process better than document it more :)
02:08 TonyC who's left me nothing to do on CPAN syncing so far (thanks!)
02:09 rjbs :-D
02:09 rjbs Yes, he is quite a reliable piece of our machinery!
02:10 rjbs Anyway, so it sounds like you've got no problems with the RMG beyond questioning what belongs where.
02:11 TonyC right, and I've made a start on what I remember as the nastiest job last time - ensuring perldelta is up to date
02:11 rjbs Yes, that's still a pain.
02:11 rjbs There's the perldelta tool in Porting, although I haven't quite come to grips with it.
02:12 rjbs Also, you'll get to enjoy the new code for updating the "changed modules" stuff, which is a joy to have.
02:12 rjbs Smokes so far look decent, apart from these new g++ failures that George has been seeing.
02:12 TonyC khw was seeing them too, and I've reproduced them
02:12 rjbs Yeah, I think some others chimed in as well.
02:13 rjbs Do we have a likely cause?
02:13 TonyC yes, we're being naughty
02:13 rjbs Tsk tsk, us.
02:13 rjbs We have an escape route?
02:13 TonyC we #define malloc -> Perl_malloc, but then include the C headers that define the functions, but those names are reserved if we include the headers
02:14 rjbs Oh yes, I recall now this was fleshed out on the list!
02:14 rjbs Thanks for jogging my memory.
02:15 rjbs BinGOs should have a Solaris smoker up soon, it sounded like, and I am pleased, because every once in a while I hit a weird bug there.
02:16 rjbs As for any weird changes that might land this month, there's just the one left, and it'll be a big one if it lands: signatures.
02:16 TonyC I need to go kick my VM box a bit to get solaris and cygwin smokes going again
02:17 rjbs Cool.  ISTR that cygwin smokes had gotten worse a while ago?  Am I mistaken?
02:18 TonyC I think only the locale.t failures were new and khw may have fixed that
02:18 rjbs Ah, great.  If they're the  same as hit Darwin, they'll be sorted.
02:19 TonyC though I was still seeing locale.t failures on my Win32 that George wasn't
02:19 rjbs huh :-/
02:19 TonyC which could be win2k vs win7 or 32-bit vs x64
02:20 rjbs Is your Win32 built just occasionally, or was it smoking and now it's offline?
02:20 TonyC built occasionally
02:21 rjbs Okay.
02:21 TonyC just when I'm working on Win32 stuff, like that backticks bug I finally pushed a fix for
02:21 rjbs (yay)
02:21 rjbs So, anyway, apart from signatures, we should be seeing fewer "big changes" from here out.  I want to start earlier, this year, pushing against the blockers.
02:22 rjbs If you see any new BBC tickets (or others) come in that look like it, even if there's no time to dig, drop it on the blockers list?
02:22 rjbs I'll try doing a weekly or so pass through them, starting soon.
02:22 rjbs Last year we were out late because of blockers.  This year I'd like to be on time, so I'll be pushing. :)
02:23 TonyC some of those I don't think will be fixed, like asian documentation
02:24 rjbs Yeah, that's okay.
02:24 rjbs I think there are only two languages needing update there (a few got a look-over last year) and I'll just do some more prodding this yaer.
02:24 rjbs I guess calling that one a blocker is a bit disingenuous, but it helps me keep an eye on it.
02:26 TonyC :utf8-strict didn't make it in :(
02:26 rjbs Yes, I know.  I bugged the relevant parties quite a few times over that, I think it just wasn't meant to be. :(
02:27 rjbs I had a few others in that boat: I nagged and nagged, but it didn't happen.
02:27 rjbs Shows that nagging only goes so fa.
02:27 rjbs far
02:27 TonyC I asked about it a few months ago IIRC, and got a "yes, I'll be working on it", so I left it
02:28 rjbs Yeah, I mostly didn't leave it, but :(
02:29 rjbs I also have done some pushing for grant applications, and will keep doing it.
02:29 rjbs If we could just press people into service... hm.
02:29 TonyC mine has about 60 hours left from the beginning of this week
02:29 rjbs I saw you mention that!  Applying to re-up, I hope!
02:29 TonyC don't forget your "press TonyC into service" option
02:30 rjbs I have not!
02:30 rjbs I'll go through my list with you sometime soon and see how that goes, actually.
02:30 rjbs I think right now the things on it are okay on their own course, unless you want to get involved in a few places that are, I think, outside your bailiwick.
02:30 rjbs but can't hurt to take 15 minutes later.
02:31 TonyC I plan to re-up, considering asking for a longer period/more money, to reduce the hassle on all ends it takes to re-up
02:31 rjbs yes, that's a good plan
02:31 rjbs the turnaround on those grants seems a bit long
02:31 TonyC the last time there were problems with the perlfoundation web site, which delayed it
02:32 rjbs I just filed a grant proposal myself and it went up quickly, so maybe strike while the iron's hot! :)
02:33 TonyC a travel grant?
02:33 rjbs Yeah, QA Hackathon.  I fear that I will spend much of my time updating core for the new pod checker.
02:34 TonyC it would cost a fair bit more than that to get me to France ;)
02:35 TonyC not than I'm planning on going
02:35 rjbs Maybe we'll host somewhere equally inconvenient for everyone next time.  Madagascar.
02:35 rjbs You have any particular concerns or questions for the upcoming releasE?
02:35 TonyC no
02:36 TonyC people might try to patch rush the user visible changes cut-off
02:36 TonyC I guess
02:36 rjbs Yeah, hopefully not.
02:36 rjbs The $/ situation is one to watch.
02:37 rjbs Yves is working on that, and we'll want to make sure that any change that goes in is carefully checked out, and that we keep a good eye on BBC reports from it.
02:37 TonyC do you expect mauve^Wpurple signatures to make it?
02:41 rjbs woah
02:41 rjbs um, I was sure I replied to the above
02:41 rjbs one sec.
02:41 rjbs 21:37 <rjbs> Right now, I think it looks good.  I have 1-2 people to finish  talking to, but I'd put slightly better than even money n bit.
02:42 rjbs 21:37 <rjbs> on it
02:42 rjbs 21:38 <rjbs> I hope to post a dictum by Friday
02:44 rjbs I have no idea what kind of PEBCAK caused that.
02:44 rjbs 21:40 <rjbs> If it goes in, it will go in sans ?$x
02:44 rjbs I sent that to #cpantesters-discuss.
02:44 rjbs Sorry!
02:44 TonyC np
02:44 TonyC I think we're done
02:44 rjbs Okay.  Yes.
02:44 rjbs Was just going to say that.
02:44 rjbs I'll get back to you soon about what's on my big list, but yes, for 5.19.9, I think everything looks on track.
02:44 rjbs \o/
02:44 rjbs Talk again in 2wk, and I look forward to upgrading.
02:44 rjbs Thanks for your time!
02:44 TonyC np, have a good evening
02:44 rjbs have a good afternoon! :)
02:44 rjbs &
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