Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #onionsketch, 2014-06-09

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18:58 alh Howdy
18:58 rjbs Ready in 2 min.
19:02 rjbs Okay!
19:02 alh Yes.
19:02 rjbs This is your first release!  What fun!
19:02 alh :)
19:02 rjbs I saw you email Andreas.  I believe you're all set up on that front.
19:02 rjbs And you have a commit bit.
19:02 rjbs And you have RT access?
19:02 alh Yup
19:03 rjbs Super.
19:03 rjbs Have you read the RMG?
19:03 alh Yes, a few times
19:03 rjbs Any bits of concern, confusion, etc?
19:03 alh For perldeltas - is there a good process to keep track of what needs to be added?
19:04 rjbs So, xdg wrote Porting/git-deltatool
19:04 rjbs I have played with it a bit, but not really used it in anger.
19:05 rjbs You can give that a go, or you can keep a note of "I reviewed everything through $THIS_SHA and update that note as you go."
19:05 rjbs That's what I do.
19:05 alh Okay, I'll play with it but your system seems fine
19:06 alh I have no other concerns yet, except "First time doing this" jitters
19:06 alh I will make this time this week to start doing the repeatable steps
19:06 * rjbs has a look at 5.21.1 blockers.
19:06 rjbs https://rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=121332
19:07 rjbs Four tickets.
19:07 rjbs probably the :win32 one can be applied; double-check with Tony
19:07 * alh nods
19:07 rjbs I dunno about the AIX one.  Have a look?  I got the impression that the patch isn't much of a real help, except maybe on long, long dead AIX, and even then..?
19:07 rjbs but great; not a big pile outstanding
19:08 rjbs have you been keeping an eye on smoke reports?
19:08 alh A little bit, I need to go through them more thoroughly
19:08 alh There's a lot of old noise it looks like; are we tracking that somehow to make it apparent?
19:08 alh (Cmd.t win32 failure that bulk88 was talking about for example)
19:09 rjbs We don't have a good tracking other than bugs.
19:10 alh Okay. I'll think on that one a bit
19:10 rjbs right now I see a bunch of hpux failures and a little bit of cygwin and win32
19:10 alh I will take a look at those and see if I can track down what's up
19:10 rjbs cool
19:11 rjbs It can be useful just to ask the smoker for what's up
19:11 alh Okay
19:11 rjbs ALSO:
19:11 rjbs keep an eye on incoming BBC reports
19:11 * alh nods
19:11 rjbs in general, we want to put those onto the blocker meta ticket if they're not immediately resolver
19:12 alh For the next release or this release?
19:12 rjbs and if they won't be resolved this time, they go onto the 5.21.2 blocker
19:12 alh I see
19:12 rjbs use your judgement; :)  if you want to be reminded to keep chasing people until the 19th, put'm on .1
19:12 rjbs but the key is that we'd like to keep our eyes on the BBCs
19:13 alh The only other thing I'm concerned about you may have seen me mention in #p5p a few days ago. I've found no process or system for keeping upstream-blead modules updated on CPAN after a release
19:13 alh Do you have any immediate thoughts on this or should I draft an email to p5p with all of my concerns for now?
19:13 rjbs Yeah, we have nothing for this.  An email sounds like a good starting point.
19:13 rjbs Talk to BinGOs
19:13 alh Okay, will do
19:13 rjbs Some time ago, he did a survey of stuff that was new in blead and not on CPAN.
19:14 rjbs He might have code to start from to keep track of this.
19:14 alh Cool, that'd be helpful
19:14 alh I think that's all I have
19:14 rjbs I don't think I have any specific concerns to bring up.
19:15 rjbs We have a big fat pile of changes in 5.21.1, unsurprisingly.
19:15 alh Yup
19:15 rjbs locale changes, I think, will cause some ripples, but we'll see
19:15 rjbs oh, we have the commit to remove ?PATTERN?
19:15 alh Do you want that applied for .1?
19:15 rjbs that should go in, nobody has commented, I think
19:15 alh Okay
19:16 rjbs the other deprecated-but-not-carried-out stuff, I wonder whetherw e'll get patches for :)
19:16 rjbs @ARR->[0] etc.
19:16 alh I've considered digging into them :)
19:16 rjbs Cool.  I forget what, but I remember telling you that something-or-other would be an excellent use of time.
19:16 rjbs :-/
19:17 rjbs Hopefully you remember.  Or maybe I have it in logs.
19:17 alh IO
19:17 rjbs IO!!
19:17 alh I believe
19:17 rjbs Yes.
19:17 rjbs Okay, oh, and one more thing for you.
19:17 rjbs There's a program, I think Porting/corelist-perldelta
19:17 alh IO was release to CPAN right?
19:17 * rjbs is typing generates the cha
19:17 rjbs yes
19:17 alh And ether asked for Carp I think
19:17 alh Okay
19:17 alh These can happen after .1 I think though if I get too busy
19:17 rjbs So, the program generates the "module version changes" for a perldelta
19:18 rjbs but we've found that it doesn't add "x has been removed"
19:18 alh Right
19:18 rjbs you may want to look at fixing that, I bet it's easy
19:18 rjbs I'm nto sure if there are removals in 5.21.1, though, or if they were all removed in .0
19:18 rjbs it also has some missing newlines, iirc
19:18 rjbs anyway, that's it, that's all I have for you
19:18 alh Noted :)
19:18 alh Cool, thanks
19:18 rjbs If anything comes up before next time, you know where to find me.
19:19 rjbs I have June 18th, 15:00 NYC time.
19:19 alh Ditto
19:19 rjbs that's a week from Wednesday
19:19 alh Yup
19:19 rjbs Great.  Ciao!
19:19 alh Cheers!
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