Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #onionsketch, 2015-12-11

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16:00 * rjbs flashes the auditorium lights twice.
16:00 rjbs xdg: Good morning!
16:00 xdg morning
16:01 rjbs So, I'm a little behind in the changelog, but so far it has looked like a quiet month.
16:01 xdg I'm skimming the RMG to see if I see any major changes
16:02 rjbs Gosh, 2.5 years since your last release, is that right?
16:02 xdg I don't have a sense of commit volume.  My last nagging email about perldelta seemed to get a couple updates.
16:03 xdg yeah, I skipped the 5.21 series
16:04 xdg what are your thoughts on *.pod tweaks going into perldelta?
16:04 rjbs Heh.
16:04 rjbs Depends on the tweaks.  I wouldn't (and didn't) bother with my "standardize on lookahead" commit from Ed Avis.
16:05 rjbs I would note things like "perlfunc reorganized to rhyme."
16:05 rjbs Have you been through the changes yet to get a handle on what has actually changed, or are you giving potential delta patchers somet ime to help outw ith that first? :)
16:06 xdg Compared to my previous "look at every commit" approach, I'm curious if nagging can be sufficient
16:07 rjbs My experience is that it is *nearly* sufficient, but I look forward to hearing how it goes for you.
16:07 rjbs Mostly I was wondering if you'd seen any commits that you expected to cause trouble.  So far, I haven't.
16:07 rjbs Did you see that Tony C. has a patch to fix debugging threaded builds on OS X?
16:07 xdg A hints patch?  yes.
16:07 rjbs That was exciting.  Thanks for bringing up the problem again!
16:08 * xdg facepalm.  We just deprecated code points about 32 bits, but then later talk about how we added code point support up to 64 bit for EBCDIC.
16:09 xdg I'd really like to see some thought/work on the MACOSX_DEVELOPMENT_TARGET
16:10 rjbs Beyond 53d1d41c?
16:10 xdg I need to test blead on some XS modules and see if I still see warnings
16:10 rjbs I thought that 53d1d41c was the final nail in that coffin.
16:11 xdg maybe.  looks better than what was there before.
16:13 rjbs I'm not sure your facepalm above is warranted.
16:13 rjbs Isn't the deprecation of high codepoints about codepoints above IV_MAX?
16:14 rjbs I don't have a config dump from Yaroslav's smoker, but my assumption is that IV_MAX is 64b on z/OS.
16:14 xdg ah.  I misread the deprecation notice
16:14 rjbs I'm sure we'll find something to facepalm over eventually, though.  Plenty of time left in the month.
16:15 xdg well, there's that security ticket.
16:15 rjbs See any other snags so far?
16:15 rjbs Yes, let me put that in my agenda.
16:15 rjbs I keep remembering it when I'm not in a position to do so.
16:15 rjbs (like: the shower)
16:15 rjbs (hooray for my RTM irssi plugin)
16:16 rjbs Thanks for the reminder.
16:16 xdg now you need a waterproof shower device that can do IRC
16:16 rjbs don't think I haven't wanted that
16:16 xdg what kind of "snags" hae come up in previous months?
16:16 rjbs That's going to end with "I'll do that soon, boss, but I'm in the shower now" followed by awkward silence.
16:17 rjbs nothing springing to mind, but you've hit a few things we'll want to deal with ASAP already: perldelta self-contradiction (sorted!), build failures (mostly sorted!), security ticket
16:18 rjbs We're scheduled for next week.  Anything you'll like me to look into between now and then, beyond that ticket?
16:19 xdg FYI: release might bump to 21st if any snags come up on 20th, as my coding time is constrained that day
16:20 rjbs Good to know, should not be a problem.
16:20 rjbs s/should/will
16:20 xdg are you keeping a PathTools repo?  or was 3.60 shipped out of a branch or what?
16:20 rjbs It's on github.  I've been trying to do more releases out of blead, but there was a reason I didn't do that one...
16:21 rjbs I think it's just that Steffen had a repo, so I forked that to preserve history.
16:21 rjbs https://github.com/rjbs/PathTools
16:21 rjbs yes, just so
16:21 xdg hrm.
16:21 rjbs I can get repo metadata in there and push my changes up to tsee's branch, I suppose.  I was hoping it would be a one-off release on my part. ;)
16:21 xdg becuase 631d113 makes it look like upstream isn't blead anymore
16:22 xdg (subject of that commit)
16:22 xdg (guts are just version bumps)
16:23 rjbs I see.  I believe what happened there is that I made the CPAN release with the version bump and didn't import right back, so Chris got to it.
16:23 rjbs The commit message is a bit misleading, I agree.
16:23 rjbs I'll look into whether we can do these releases out of blead.
16:23 rjbs Avoid the unneeded proliferation of repositories.
16:24 xdg do you know if we have any more alpha version modules in blead?
16:24 rjbs Possibly module metadata.
16:24 rjbs Socket? :/  Will check on that.
16:24 rjbs "Yes, a few."
16:25 rjbs My practice with those is to begin chasing them down when start to freeze things.
16:25 xdg ok
16:27 rjbs Got anything else for me?
16:27 xdg I think we're good for now.
16:28 xdg I'll chase ether on Module::Metadata
16:28 rjbs Cool.  That one is:
16:28 rjbs our $VERSION = '1.000031'; # TRIAL
16:28 rjbs So, no _.  Wouldn't have grepped it.  Whose dumb idea was it to stop using underscores?
16:29 rjbs I'll get back to you when I get to the things I put on my todo list today.
16:29 xdg ok
16:29 rjbs Time for me to pop off the bus, but you know where to find me should you need anything.
16:29 rjbs Thanks!
16:29 rjbs EOF
16:35 xdg rjbs, late question for later: what's the story with podlators.  Bumped to 4.00X on CPAN but 2.5.3 in blead.
16:49 rjbs xdg: Theory: 4.000 wasn't imported because of M::B issue.  That was resolved.  Will look into it.
16:50 xdg rjbs, this is weird, too, but probably a tooling issue: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yngk4ydipf9usf/Screenshot%202015-12-11%2011.50.32.png?dl=0
16:51 rjbs I might need to request reindex.  There were smoe problems.  Thanks.
16:52 * rjbs &
16:52 xdg rjbs, I'll request the reindex and see what happens
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18:56 xdg for next week: https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=110278
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