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IRC log for #openam, 2017-01-23

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02:48 Topic for #openam is now Chat about the OpenAM project - https://backstage.forgerock.com/#/downloads - OpenAM 13.5.0 is out! OpenAM 12.0.3 is out! Channel logs at: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/openam/today
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13:53 balo hmmm, i just got an interesting email from a guy]
13:53 aldaris good for you
13:53 MegaMatt What guy?
13:53 balo - Have you been aware that Forgerock will soon restrain access to the trunk sources (had the news from Forgerock themselves) ?
13:54 asyd this email is few years old right? :)
13:54 asyd oups, misreading
13:54 balo asyd: :D no, i just received it but it includes a reference to my older email on the mailing list
13:54 balo https://lists.forgerock.org/piperm​ail/openam/2014-April/037338.html
13:56 asyd :)
13:57 balo FR really has ~1M € subscription fee? :D nice
13:57 aldaris that sounds bogus information
13:57 MegaMatt I’ve not yet seen any email on the subject
13:58 balo i got it on my personal address
13:59 balo the point is to get some info from the market i guess if there is a need for an alternative solution for FR in terms of OpenAM
14:00 balo bc let's be honest, FR has a shitty job with OpenAM being open source. they just use it for sales
14:00 MegaMatt I disagree with that , to be honest.
14:01 MegaMatt I think it hasn’t done a good job with community, but I think customers get a lot of benefit from it being open source
14:01 MegaMatt But that’s just my own personal opinion
14:02 balo same here :) or... at least now more and more people and companies start to feel that weay
14:02 balo *way
14:02 aldaris well we are open source but in a very obscure way to be frank
14:02 balo :D
14:05 MegaMatt IMO: Take up the offer from Allan to work out a subscription deal
14:07 balo won't change the fact. and fortunately I am not in the enterprise business anymore. I just wanted to bring this up again because i still believe this is a community channel. And the community started to rumble. We will see :)
14:14 aldaris MegaMatt any interaction with the open source community that suggests that getting a subscription is the best way to gain access to an allegedly open source product - may suggests that the product is not that open source after all
14:15 MegaMatt That’s a fair point, I don’t disagree with that
14:15 asyd especially for security fixes
14:15 asyd access to release/tags is anotehr stuff
14:16 MegaMatt My point wasn’t contrary to that one, my stance was that community “access” wasn’t great but subscription access was better.. that’s all.
14:16 aldaris asyd: don't get me started on security fixes :)
14:16 asyd :)
14:17 aldaris it is better, but the best I know, we still don't really have a viable business model to allow non-profit organizations and small businesses to gain access to our products for an acceptable price
14:20 MegaMatt I don’t know enough about how sales handles those situations to comment on that statement.
14:20 MegaMatt And I certainly don’t know what an “acceptable price” is or would be ;)
14:21 asyd :)
14:50 abyss_ ooo aldaris you've got a blog ;p
14:50 aldaris work in progress
14:51 aldaris just trying to throw the design together from scratch, but I'm really not that great with artistic work :)
14:51 abyss_ I didn't know :)
14:51 abyss_ :))
14:51 abyss_ I think is nice, a clear and readable :)
14:51 aldaris and responsive :)
14:53 aldaris it's going to be a bit more personal at times, but there is a good chance it will include some posts about web security as well
14:53 aldaris i.e. it will be less FR affiliated
14:54 abyss_ hmmm somewhere I've read that blog is for seeing someone else point of view... So personal thoughts is fine on blogs and should be. You know what I mean?;)
14:55 aldaris sure :)
14:55 aldaris I can share some horror stories about how much fun it is to buy a house in the UK
14:55 abyss_ lol:D
14:56 abyss_ hmmm, I don't see any personal entries - do I read the same blog?:D http://blogs.forgerock.org/petermajor/
14:56 aldaris oh
14:56 aldaris you haven't found it then
14:56 aldaris then what are you talking about :D
14:57 aldaris I'm planning to have a different blog than that^^
14:57 abyss_ aldaris: btw: I will enjoy reading such a posts (buying a house in the UK) - I had a lot of job offers from UK but you know it's not my country so I refused all but sometimes I wonder if I should move to UK;)
14:58 abyss_ I pasted link which I reading ;p
14:58 aldaris well leaving the French behind is a no-brainer :)
14:59 abyss_ you're French?:D
14:59 aldaris worse, Hungarian ;)
14:59 aldaris just enjoyed France a few times
14:59 abyss_ :D
14:59 asyd have you try to eat frog and snails?
15:00 aldaris I loved this post from ludo btw: www.thelocal.fr/20170117/decoding​-the-french-are-they-really-rude
15:01 aldaris asyd: not yet
15:01 abyss_ hmmm last times Hungarian is better place for living than france or england I think
15:01 abyss_ aldaris: so, where's you blog?;)
15:01 aldaris well the girls are prettier than in UK, I give you that :)
15:02 abyss_ lol, I know;p
15:02 abyss_ I not far away from Hungarian;p
15:02 aldaris must be the exposure to sun :)
15:02 asyd and she are more open
15:03 aldaris the new blog will be linked on twitter (@majorpetya), once I get some free time to finish it
15:03 MegaMatt UK girls are prettier than Hungarian girls???
15:03 asyd MegaMatt: :)
15:03 aldaris MegaMatt hell no
15:03 MegaMatt I was going to say I find that very hard to believe
15:03 abyss_ MegaMatt: conversely
15:04 abyss_ hehe
15:04 aldaris just a bit busy at the moment trying to buy a house + implementing a new feature for my HipChat Jenkins plugin
15:04 abyss_ aldaris: so you did mistake;p You should get a girl/wife in Hungary and then leave ;p
15:04 aldaris mission accomplished already
15:05 abyss_ :D
15:05 abyss_ smart guy ;p
15:05 abyss_ not only in IT;p
15:05 abyss_ ;)
15:07 abyss_ btw: Peter M. (name and sub) is rather not much hungarian I think;)
15:08 aldaris Major is a somewhat common name
15:08 abyss_ in Hungary?
15:08 aldaris yes
15:08 abyss_ nice;)
15:09 aldaris IIRC in the uni there was actually a guy with the exact same name
15:09 abyss_ I have to learn much then
15:09 MegaMatt @aldaris don’t talk to me about people with the exact same name ;)
15:10 MegaMatt I will take 0 pitty on anyone, considering my own situation.
15:10 aldaris hehe :)
15:11 aldaris better misspell than potty I guess :)
15:12 abyss_ aldaris: apropos personal things on blog... ;p How did you learn English so well?;)
15:12 aldaris well, it's not much of a success story
15:13 aldaris I only went to one semester of english course at the uni, and even then missed most of the classes
15:13 abyss_ what is uni?;p
15:13 aldaris just watched a whole lot of TV shows
15:13 aldaris (university)
15:13 abyss_ oh, ok;)
15:13 aldaris with subtitles
15:14 MegaMatt That’s how my wife learned English as well - watching the entire series “Friends” with sub titles
15:14 abyss_ ;)
15:14 aldaris I'm still watching with english subtitles whenever I can - better chance of understanding everything than just listening
15:14 abyss_ I've watched Friends as well (because they use a very easy english) but still English is my pain in ass :/
15:14 MegaMatt Yeah, for sure
15:15 aldaris although that doesn't always help with british shows
15:15 aldaris for example watching the Crown on Netflix can easily result in looking up every 10th word in a dictionary
15:15 abyss_ aldaris: oh, I thought that you know english so well that you don't need subtitles... You know I'd like to watch films only in english....
15:15 abyss_ aldaris: :)
15:16 aldaris well I can watch it without subtitles, and I will grasp most of what's going on
15:16 abyss_ so really? You watched a lot of films?;)
15:16 aldaris but for some reason whenever I'm in a cinema I fail to understand the most crucial parts of the conversations :)
15:17 MegaMatt Don’t worry, that happens to everyone - even us native speakers - occasionally
15:18 abyss_ aldaris: interesting:)
15:18 abyss_ MegaMatt: yes?;)
15:18 aldaris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5XyecKONu8 holy moly :)
15:18 abyss_ lol
15:19 abyss_ but you have good writing as well
15:19 aldaris writing I have not much problem with
15:19 abyss_ I can see;)
15:19 aldaris ( a more funny video about accents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BncDeMO_en0 )
15:27 abyss_ allright... ;)
15:27 abyss_ I have a issue with openam (or I think with openam ;p)
15:28 aldaris go ahead
15:28 abyss_ "2017-01-23 07:58:44"   "Login Success|isNoSession=false"       127.0.0.1       "cn=dsameuser,ou=DSAME Users,dc=ydp,dc=eu"      id=UmroFrejzer478,ou=user,o=did​actus,ou=services,dc=ydp,dc=eu   "Not Available" DataStore       a4fe74bf8746300f01      o=didactus,ou=services,dc=ydp,dc=eu     INFO    127.0.0.1       AUTHENTICATION-100
15:30 aldaris that's an audit log entry
15:30 asyd the famous openam logs
15:30 abyss_ I have a lot of issues like this... But my users are in ou=people,dc=ydp,dc=eu so why I have this one?;)
15:30 aldaris some things are just stupid
15:30 abyss_ yes, but "Not Available"?;) in ou=people,dc=ydp,dc=eu I have such a user (UmroFrejzer478)
15:30 aldaris like storing the debug logs in a debug folder instead of logs
15:30 aldaris or not having file extensions for the log files
15:30 asyd :)
15:31 asyd and the "" stuff
15:31 aldaris well the audit log has been reworked in 13, so it should be somewhat sensible now
15:31 aldaris abyss_ ignore the Not Available part
15:31 aldaris instead describe what behavior you'd like to see and what are you currently getting
15:32 abyss_ Ok, but I get somewhere timeout I thin it is from OpenAM but I can't see any trouble in logs...
15:32 MegaMatt Isn’t “AUTHENTICATION-100” a successful login?
15:32 aldaris it is
15:32 abyss_ lol
15:32 aldaris especially since it is from the .access log file
15:32 aldaris not from the .error
15:32 abyss_ So I don't get it;)
15:32 abyss_ different ou but it success
15:33 MegaMatt Ah ok, I didn’t understand the complaint ;)
15:34 abyss_ ok, but coming back to issue, I do load tests and to 300 CU everything is ok, but when I reach 400 CU I get a lot of timeouts haproxy shows me that it is from openam, but on openam side I can't see any such a trouble
15:35 abyss_ there is a place where I can improve for example timeout for openam? I have tomcat -> openam
15:36 abyss_ I don't know tomcat because I use it only for openam. But catalina logs don''t show me any trouble with tomcat
15:38 abyss_ or maybe I can see from openam gui that I reached some limits?
15:41 abyss_ hmm I muddled it a bit?;)
15:41 asyd have you tweak your tomcat config?
15:41 abyss_ ofcourse not;)
15:42 abyss_ I can tweak nginx, apache, mysql, haproxy... Something I know ;p
15:42 abyss_ ;)
15:43 asyd http://tomcat.apache.org/tom​cat-8.5-doc/config/http.html
15:44 abyss_ but you really think that default configuration of tomcat can bare 400CU?:(
15:44 abyss_ *can't
15:44 asyd CU?
15:44 abyss_ *bear ;)
15:45 abyss_ current users
15:45 asyd you should check haproxy stats to see how many connection you have with the backend
15:46 asyd maxThread: default is 200
15:46 asyd The maximum number of request processing threads to be created by this Connector, which therefore determines the maximum number of simultaneous requests that can be handled. If not specified, this attribute is set to 200.
15:47 abyss_ 268;)
15:48 abyss_ but shouldn't I see any errors in catalina logs?
15:49 asyd an
15:49 asyd oups
15:50 abyss_ asyd: ok, thank you I will try to look closer to tomcat
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