Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #openframeworks, 2013-07-28

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14:19 dantheman yo vade
14:21 vade yo
14:58 dantheman err sorry stepped away…you should check syphon with 0.8.0 there are changes in the texture stuff and it won't compile without a couple lines changed
14:58 dantheman vade ^^
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15:37 vade dantheman: cool.
15:37 vade Anthony Stellato is sort of owning the ofxAddon
15:37 vade ill let him know
15:37 dantheman wordy
15:37 dantheman its like two lines
15:37 vade sure.
15:37 vade I don't doubt it
15:37 dantheman well after I changed them it still worked
15:38 dantheman its like glType is now glInternalTyle
15:38 dantheman err
15:38 dantheman you get what I mean
15:38 vade sure
15:39 dantheman how stuff in your world
15:39 dantheman haven't seen you pissed off much on the twitter
15:39 dantheman haha
15:39 vade I've been pissed, just quietly so
15:39 vade actually, a few days last month
15:39 vade was maybe
15:39 vade the angriest I've ever been in my entire life
15:39 dantheman damn
15:40 vade relationships are fun.
15:40 vade anyway.
15:40 dantheman did you hear david larkin is in the city now?
15:40 vade no
15:40 dantheman he got a place down in park slope
15:40 vade do I know david larkin? I don't know. maybe by handle only or..
15:41 vade I'm really bad with names+faces
15:41 dantheman err I different person then
15:41 dantheman nevermind
15:42 vade np :) sorry :)
15:43 vade thats a good spot to be in, I'm sure david will be treated well by park slope :P
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15:58 dantheman http://www.isciencetimes.com/artic​les/5719/20130725/light-stopped-ge​rmany-fastest-particle-crystal.htm
16:24 dantheman hey kylemcd when are you gonne be free in august?
16:25 kylemcd not really :(
16:25 kylemcd i'll be around
16:25 kylemcd but already really busy
16:25 dantheman lol
16:25 dantheman I know the feeling
16:25 dantheman but did you see the GSM crew got some cash to to more work
16:26 dantheman so we'll have more hardware soon
16:30 dantheman I'm trying to get the whole setup running on my mac now
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16:59 joshuajnoble DrCode has to be the best name in this channel
16:59 dantheman lol
16:59 dantheman pretty much
17:00 kylemcd wayooooo
17:00 dantheman lol http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/26/4560536/​ntia-app-privacy-code-of-conduct-published
17:00 dantheman this is kinda funny
17:01 dantheman the government telling us how we should treat user's data
17:01 kylemcd that's pretty ironic
17:02 kylemcd ofTheo you're around?
17:02 ofTheo yup yup!
17:02 kylemcd awesome
17:02 dantheman this should be a short one right?
17:03 kylemcd i think so
17:03 kylemcd let's get started now
17:03 kylemcd here's the agenda http://piratepad.net/ofdev-2013-07-28
17:03 jvcleave what up
17:04 dantheman hey hey jvcleave
17:05 kylemcd - 0.8.0 - whats left?
17:05 ofTheo so 0.8.0
17:05 ofTheo :)
17:05 kylemcd :)
17:05 ofTheo going to merge those rtAudio PRs in
17:05 kylemcd we've got more issues than we did last week... :)
17:05 ofTheo mostly iOS
17:05 dantheman kylemcd: we do?
17:05 admsyn I think we need to make ofxOpenALSoundPlayer into an addon
17:05 admsyn to solve this : https://github.com/openframewo​rks/openFrameworks/issues/2336
17:05 admsyn (for iOS)
17:06 dantheman yeah there are some issues with RECT_MODES on iOS
17:07 ofTheo the main ones are the orientation ones - which are almost completely solved
17:07 ofTheo the ofxOpenALSoundPlayer could be included in the iOS project - but not the default?
17:07 ofTheo maybe thats a better way to go?
17:07 dantheman I haven't tested the rPi stuff in a week I need to pull and run some tests
17:07 admsyn yeah, I think that also involves dragging that whole SoundEngine thing along for the ride
17:07 admsyn ofTheo: ^
17:08 ofTheo yup! :)
17:08 jvcleave dantheman: just finished running through most of the RPi examples - x's  are in the spreadsheet - need to open issues for the rest
17:09 ofTheo it might be worth also to look at fixing the crashes for 0.8.1
17:09 ofTheo its just such horrible code
17:09 dantheman jvcleave: kk
17:10 kylemcd so with the remaining issues
17:10 kylemcd they're all being addressed by someone?
17:11 kylemcd cause none of them assigned atm :)
17:11 admsyn I'll claim the iOS sound one
17:11 kylemcd cool
17:11 dantheman jvcleave: did you share that with me?
17:11 kylemcd and nick on the orientation one?
17:11 kylemcd ah but he's not collabing, so i'm assigning theo
17:12 ofTheo cool cool!
17:12 jvcleave dantheman: -it the one from the devlist https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At​tyIRZ76JCddGJnbzBJaFFuWlBMZEpqUEdPSmtUaUE#gid=0
17:13 dantheman ahh roger that
17:13 kylemcd dantheman are you the one making the rpi image?
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17:14 dantheman I was but someone said we are pushing the images back until 0.8.1
17:14 kylemcd ah, i didn't know -- is that true ofTheo?
17:14 kylemcd do you know?
17:14 kylemcd i think it's a bad idea to release rpi w/out images
17:14 ofTheo I think someone mentioned that
17:14 ofTheo maybe arturo?
17:14 ofTheo how close is the image to being ready?
17:15 dantheman it was on an off list email between me Arturo and Chris Baker
17:15 dantheman ofTheo: its close…basically I need to know when oF is finished and I generate it from a script
17:16 ofTheo will that be seperate from the repo?
17:16 ofTheo ideally its something we can generate server side, in the same way as the nightlies
17:16 ofTheo do you think thats possible?
17:16 dantheman yeah that would take a lot of work
17:17 dantheman I could get there
17:17 dantheman but you're basically compiling the kernel and linux from source then
17:17 jvcleave i think it will be ok without images - we have documentation to get people started and it's not too complex
17:17 dantheman yeah most of getting it up on the Pi has been scripted...
17:17 ofTheo maybe we can do the 0.8.0 release
17:18 ofTheo and then a few days later, host the image?
17:18 dantheman you basically unzip the release.zip and run the install scripts
17:18 jvcleave also the next version of raspbian probably be smoother as it will have native support for gstreamer 1.0
17:18 dantheman ooo nice
17:18 dantheman yeah I still couldn't build before I left for Italy as I didn't have gstreamer 1.0
17:18 kylemcd i think if it's a matter of a few days, it's much much better to delay a few more days
17:19 kylemcd if it's a matter of a few weeks/month(s) we should release 0.8.0 now
17:19 dantheman yeah and I'm off work all next week
17:19 ofTheo well - what dantheman is saying is that the release needs to be finished before he can do the image
17:19 ofTheo so what I hear, is lets put out the release when its ready
17:19 kylemcd but my experience with rpi was just that compilation takes a long time initially, and it's not really a similar experience to using OF on desktop yet
17:19 kylemcd ok i see
17:19 kylemcd hmm
17:19 ofTheo then dan puts up the image
17:19 ofTheo could be 1 hour, could be a day
17:20 dantheman yeah I have to have the core DONE and frozen
17:20 kylemcd is it possible to just tag the release, then wait a few days to get the image, then announce?
17:20 dantheman yah
17:20 kylemcd ok
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17:20 jvcleave it does - we have simplified it a bit as it doesn't compile both Debug and Release now
17:20 jvcleave it takes about an hour
17:20 kylemcd hmm that's definitely better
17:20 ofTheo I would prefer if we didn't peg the release to when the image is done.
17:20 kylemcd ofTheo why is that, because of potential for delays?
17:21 ofTheo unless we use that time to send out the 0.8.0 rc for tests
17:21 jvcleave but there are also simplified instructions for setting up a cross-compiler/distcc
17:21 kylemcd i just think it's way better from a pr+usability perspective to have it released one way that's easy and the same as how we're doing it in the future
17:22 ofTheo but anyway - in terms of closing the GH 0.8.0 issues, the image is not part of it.
17:22 dantheman yeah the Image should be its own thing I think
17:22 dantheman its like a big deal if you ask me
17:22 ofTheo so at the moment it is 1) close all the 0.8.0 issues, 2) generate the binaries, 3) test zips 4) publish
17:22 admsyn 3.1) changelog
17:22 ofTheo :)
17:22 admsyn http://piratepad.net/OF-080-release-notes <- :D
17:22 kylemcd ofTheo will there be any changes to 0.8.0 between steps 3 and 4
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17:23 ofTheo well - only if things are massively broken
17:23 ofTheo I would love if we could get more testing going on
17:23 kylemcd yeah i put that call out with the document, just need volunteers
17:23 ofTheo we found some quite big issues with 0.8.0 by testing a big project on develop
17:23 kylemcd hey christoph -- logs here http://irclog.perlgeek.de/openframeworks/today
17:23 dantheman well we just shot a lexus commercial off develop :P
17:23 ofTheo ( for iOS )
17:23 ofTheo nice! :)
17:24 dantheman worked like a champ
17:24 LeoColomb Hi! -- About changelog, is VS2012 support a major change?
17:24 dantheman LeoColomb: yes
17:24 ofTheo yeah - I think iOS VS / CB would be good to test heavily as they seem to be less people on the dev list that use them
17:25 dantheman VS looked pretty good as of last saturday
17:25 ofTheo nice
17:25 ofTheo has anyone been using ofParameter?
17:25 LeoColomb Yes :) I've just updated the example stratus.
17:25 LeoColomb https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At​tyIRZ76JCddGJnbzBJaFFuWlBMZEpqUEdPSmtUaUE#gid=0
17:26 kylemcd aweeessomeee
17:26 kylemcd thank you leocolomb you're amazing
17:27 ofTheo yeah! os x and ios needs to step up :)
17:27 ofTheo linux too
17:27 LeoColomb About ofParameter, it have a problem on VS: https://github.com/openframeworks/openFr​ameworks/commit/03ae024b3ced03fbca2d7212​c3b009c9e9ac664a#commitcomment-3732903
17:28 bilderbuchi kylemcd thanks, currently catching up
17:28 ofTheo LeoColomb - do you have a fix to make it work for you?
17:28 jvcleave pre-spreadsheet i went through a lot of the examples on OS X so it shouldn't take long
17:28 bilderbuchi it's 40° in vienna, phew (or was, today, I just came back)
17:29 ofTheo thats crazy!
17:29 ofTheo ( 104 F )
17:29 LeoColomb ofTheo Make it public! :-P
17:29 dantheman bilderbuchi: yeah it was that high in Italy and I was trapped in an airplane hanger
17:29 dantheman err Rome*
17:30 bilderbuchi yes it is, pretty non-fun without AC.
17:30 admsyn jvcleave: yeah same, caught some ofSphere's and ofBox's :)
17:30 kylemcd this big examples document is kind of interesting to see because of the incompatibilities in some examples
17:30 ofTheo east coast had rainy english weather - for the last months. global warming is giving northern europeans nice weather for once.
17:31 bilderbuchi just wait until the gulf stream collapses...
17:31 dantheman bilderbuchi: haha
17:31 ofTheo @leoColomb can you PR it?
17:31 jvcleave I was in Vegas last week (107) where they were telling people going to Death Valley to stop putting eggs on the road
17:31 dantheman jvcleave: lulz
17:31 dantheman I'm leaving for Vegas in two days
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17:31 kylemcd hey ofarturo
17:31 ofarturo hey
17:31 ofTheo yo yo
17:31 dantheman sup
17:31 kylemcd we're in the middle of addressing the 0.8.0 timeline
17:32 ofarturo let me check the logs
17:33 jvcleave dantheman: if you are going to look at the RPi any - take a look at the examples using webcams. I only have a PS3eye to work with
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17:34 dantheman jvcleave: same…I tried using a cheap one I got a radio shack and it is broked
17:34 ofarturo so there seems to be a couple of performance issues with of3dPrimitive as being used from ofBox...
17:34 ofarturo i'm looking into it
17:34 jvcleave also -  you will need to run install_dependencies so it installs gstreamer 1.0
17:34 LeoColomb ofTheo OK. Also, can I quick fix #2158? I know you want a transition, but...
17:34 admsyn huh, is the nightly DL effectively what will become the packaged DL? Because the osx nightly is like ~60MB and my 0.7.4 is 400+ O.o
17:34 dantheman jvcleave: does that include the other repo?
17:34 jvcleave ye
17:34 jvcleave s
17:34 dantheman kk
17:35 dantheman let me get my pi
17:35 ofTheo whats the issue with #2158 ?
17:35 LeoColomb https://github.com/openframewo​rks/openFrameworks/issues/2158
17:35 LeoColomb :)
17:35 ofTheo is it symbol clashing with VS methods?
17:36 ofTheo yeah - sorry I looked at the issue, but didn't understand the reason for the change?
17:36 kylemcd hey guys actually can we just do the other two things on the agenda for a sec
17:36 kylemcd cause we can keep talking about 0.8.0 for a while
17:36 ofTheo sure!
17:36 kylemcd - makefile question for os x.
17:36 dantheman lol
17:36 kylemcd what's that about christoph?
17:36 ofTheo would love to keep this short and sweet
17:36 LeoColomb There is an error on compilation.
17:37 ofTheo I put that on the list
17:37 kylemcd ah ok
17:37 ofTheo just wanted to ask how it works?
17:37 ofTheo :)
17:37 bilderbuchi you ask me?
17:37 kylemcd sorry i thought it was your color christoph -- it's theo :)
17:37 dantheman did ofarturo do the osx makefiles?
17:37 ofarturo i prefer having both in 1 package
17:37 ofTheo thats my preference
17:37 ofarturo that's how it should be working right now with the nightlies
17:37 ofTheo just wanted to check
17:37 bilderbuchi I see no reason why they shouldn't coexist with xcode files?
17:37 kylemcd ofTheo maybe there are instructions in a readome? has anyone documented the makefiles for osx?
17:38 ofTheo I don't believe so - downloading nightly now
17:38 kylemcd ok
17:38 ofarturo they work the same as in linux so it's just a matter of copying that part from the linux readme
17:38 kylemcd cool
17:38 ofTheo @leocolomb if you can fix it go for it! :)
17:38 ofarturo would be great to add instructions of how to use it with sublime text or similar
17:38 LeoColomb ofTheo OK :)
17:39 ofarturo and a link to the apple download that has the console tools without xcode
17:40 kylemcd that'd be great
17:41 kylemcd ok and the other
17:41 kylemcd - thoughts on making window sizes consistent for examples (e.g. 1280 x 720)? It would make look much better on RPi -jvcleave
17:41 ofTheo os x make file is pretty nice
17:41 jvcleave yeah
17:42 jvcleave going through the examples on the RPi - they would work/look much better if they were all the same size. I am not sure if it would bother any other platforms (iOS/Android). I was also thinking maybe just script a regex for the RPi
17:42 ofTheo so this would be for all examples except for the ios/android ones
17:42 ofarturo i think some examples are laid out for the window size they are now so just doing a regex will break some things visually
17:42 ofarturo i guess we can look into it but i would leave it for the next release
17:42 ofTheo yup - was going to say
17:43 ofTheo ps: ofarturo - you got the enable/disable smoothing into develop right?
17:43 ofarturo antialiasing?
17:43 ofTheo yeah
17:43 ofarturo yes
17:43 ofTheo so I'll check which examples needs it disabled
17:43 jvcleave yeah - on a standard monitor a lot of the bitmap text instructions are cut off
17:43 ofarturo ofEnableAntiAliasing()
17:43 ofTheo like the xml one
17:44 ofarturo i fixed the xml ones
17:44 ofTheo oh cool :)
17:44 ofarturo :)
17:44 ofTheo haha
17:44 ofTheo funny @leocolomb @arturoc getting the same operator issue on os x
17:45 ofTheo with paramaterGroupExample
17:45 ofarturo i guess the using keyword doesn't make the methods public for some compilers
17:45 ofarturo we would need to rewrite them as publlic in ofParamter and call the ofReadOnlyParameter implementation
17:45 ofarturo like
17:46 ofarturo void ofParameter::method(){
17:46 ofarturo ofReadOnlyParameter::method();
17:46 ofarturo }
17:46 ofarturo and remove all the using's
17:47 kylemcd ok so now discussion is back to 0.8.0 -- let's get a new estimate for when we're releasing, given all these little changes that are left :)
17:47 ofarturo i can fix that
17:48 ofTheo Thursday?
17:48 ofTheo Aug 1st ?
17:48 dantheman I think that is reasonable
17:48 kylemcd that would be great, do you think we can get the rpi image too ? or that comes after?
17:49 dantheman we can get that out before the end of august
17:49 kylemcd ok
17:49 dantheman I would want time to make it as small as possible so we don't have to host a 1+ gig system image
17:49 ofTheo end of the week?
17:49 ofTheo oh
17:49 ofTheo it really takes that long?
17:49 dantheman no
17:49 ofarturo let's see, the main problem is that the release is really big and there's 2 more platforms now so there's lots of optimization problems that keep comming. if we only have the issues we have now aug 1st is doable
17:50 ofarturo it would be useful that people test old projects with 0.8 to see if there's any performance issues
17:50 ofTheo +1
17:50 kylemcd so on july 31st we're tagging the release, we'll have the changelog done, and we'll release the nightlies + update the website -- announcing on the 1st?
17:50 dantheman ofTheo: I could probably get most of it finished today and just toss the latest version of develop then zip it up
17:51 bilderbuchi changelog needs some work still
17:51 kylemcd i think we're going to keep running into little things but it's better to just release soon -- all the major things are compatible
17:51 admsyn yeah changelog is like ~75% done
17:51 bilderbuchi sounds about right
17:51 dantheman they just released a new image of raspbian so I'm gonna use that as a base
17:52 bilderbuchi currently trying to update the PR list but GH API or somethign is acting up
17:55 dantheman bilderbuchi: yeah my pi can't do a pull from GH right now
17:55 dantheman :/
17:55 jvcleave prob better off using the nightly anyway
17:55 dantheman jvcleave: yah?
17:56 dantheman well I've gotta bring up a new pi image anyway…downloading the 2013-07-26-wheezy-raspbian image now
17:56 dantheman I would like to make our own image from source
17:57 jvcleave i would say the opposite - use the supported rasbian and let them maintain the docs
17:57 dantheman yah
17:57 kylemcd ok so basically i should post a tweet saying we're releasing on the 1st riiiiiiight
17:58 kylemcd :3
17:58 jvcleave are there docs for ofParameter or just the examples?
17:59 ofTheo :)
17:59 ofTheo go for it :)
17:59 kylemcd oh man
17:59 kylemcd i'm totally going to then
17:59 jvcleave i saw it growing up but not sure where it landed  - mostly the reason i am asking :)
18:00 admsyn ofTheo: kylemcd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
18:01 ofTheo haha  - wow
18:01 ofTheo do you know thats my ringtone?
18:01 admsyn how dramatic
18:02 admsyn :D
18:02 ofTheo it was from watching too much arrested development
18:02 GuidovanPossum have you heard the pretty lights nye mix of it?
18:03 ofTheo ...searching
18:04 dantheman lol
18:04 dantheman any of you nerds gonna be at deacon?
18:04 dantheman err defcon*
18:04 bilderbuchi ofarturo: why remove -Wall option?
18:04 ofTheo DEA-con ?
18:04 bilderbuchi i thought defcon was this weekend?
18:04 ofTheo ;)
18:04 dantheman autocorrecet
18:05 dantheman naw its the 1st-4th
18:05 ofTheo everyone is a narc
18:05 dantheman haha
18:06 bilderbuchi there's this guy doing crowdfunding for a ring with 2 NFC tags in it.
18:06 GuidovanPossum they are trying to get less feds to come this year, good luck with that
18:06 dantheman yeah
18:06 dantheman should be interesting
18:06 bilderbuchi and there's a contest going on at defcon as to who can get his private info from the ring :D
18:06 dantheman I've never been
18:06 dantheman bilderbuchi: lol yeah that isn't hard
18:07 bilderbuchi well without him noticing, it probably is
18:07 dantheman I've done a little research on the subject…was able to skim info off credit cards with the NFC in my Nexus
18:07 kylemcd ofxGui was not released with 0.7.4 right
18:07 ofTheo right
18:07 GuidovanPossum send in the models with free chicken
18:08 kylemcd alright folks
18:08 kylemcd it's on https://twitter.com/openframew​orks/status/361548771999481856
18:09 dantheman oh man its official
18:09 dantheman cause its on twitter
18:09 admsyn IF ONLY THERE WAS A CHANGELOG TO ACCOMPANY THE TWEET
18:09 dantheman haha
18:09 dantheman admsyn: there will be
18:09 admsyn :p
18:09 bilderbuchi :D
18:09 dantheman now we gotta do something about that ascii art
18:09 kylemcd http://piratepad.net/OF-080-release-notes
18:09 bilderbuchi http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/stea​l-my-nfc-ring-data-at-defcon-for-100-dol​lars-of-free-hosting-with-rackspace.html
18:09 ofTheo :D
18:10 admsyn most of the stuff left in the changelog is stuff that, if someone know what was up, could probably be done fast
18:10 dantheman + ofColor::blueSteel
18:10 dantheman lol
18:10 admsyn I caught most of the stuff that was obvious, or could be deduced from the PR
18:10 dantheman isn't all of that color stuff new?
18:11 admsyn dantheman: just for you :p
18:11 admsyn is it?
18:11 dantheman I think so
18:11 dantheman maybe
18:11 admsyn I didn't see a PR to that effect fwiw
18:11 dantheman hmmm is it on master?
18:12 dantheman naw that was in 0.7.4
18:12 dantheman kk
18:12 admsyn so a special callout to ofColor::blueSteel it is
18:13 dantheman my great additions to the core
18:13 dantheman haha
18:13 dantheman #jokecommits
18:14 dantheman we missed HTTPS and SSL support
18:19 kylemcd ok i'm going to call the meeting for now -- we have a date, and we narrowed down what's left
18:19 dantheman kk
18:19 kylemcd let's all hop on the chagelog and do some testing :)
18:20 kylemcd i've gtg for now -- see you guys on the list + github! :)
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18:20 dantheman well by then
18:20 admsyn g2gbai*poof*
18:20 dantheman that's kyle for you
18:20 admsyn is it worth mentioning anything for ofxKinect in the changelog?
18:20 ofTheo danthman - what do you mean about ssl?
18:21 admsyn in terms of additions / changes / removals etc
18:21 ofTheo yup!
18:21 ofTheo def an addition :)
18:21 admsyn ofTheo: atm I just added it as a major change (+ ofxKinect)
18:21 ofTheo thats good!
18:21 admsyn but do you want to add a note about (for example) the state of model 1473 support
18:21 admsyn etc
18:21 dantheman so poco was rebuilt with ssl support
18:21 dantheman that wasn't in 0.7.4
18:21 ofTheo oh
18:21 ofTheo yeah!
18:22 dantheman lol
18:22 ofTheo sorry - thought you meant we missed it from the 0.8 release :)
18:22 dantheman naw it isn't on the release notes
18:22 ofTheo @admsyn - maybe mentioning the K4W + 1473 could be good
18:22 admsyn I don't actually know what the deal is, other than there's some news on that front :p
18:23 admsyn i said "screw it" to the whole kinect thing when my first experience of Kinect was being something like the first person to deal with the 1473 BS
18:23 admsyn *table flip*
18:23 admsyn etc
18:23 admsyn :)
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18:23 dantheman lol
18:24 dantheman admsyn: blair and I almost wanted to do that last week
18:24 admsyn with Kinects? I thought you just had triplehead problems
18:24 dantheman same thing
18:24 admsyn ha
18:24 dantheman and the projection people were screwing us over time wise
18:25 admsyn :/
18:25 dantheman yeah
18:25 ofTheo stockpile the 1414 model :)
18:25 dantheman I just the xtion now
18:25 ofTheo I've been lurking in radioshacks looking for dusty models
18:25 admsyn haha
18:25 ofTheo ( I need the motor )
18:25 dantheman I don't even want to deal with the kinect
18:25 dantheman ahh
18:26 dantheman then you just slap a xtion on a motor
18:26 dantheman BAM
18:26 dantheman I should do that I have some steppers
18:26 ofTheo ha - might be less work :)
18:28 dantheman def cause then you could put it on a like 3 axis rig
18:28 dantheman pan-tilt-rotate
18:29 admsyn err, so let's say I take a stab at doing a quick low-level iOS sound player that covers the use case of "in-memory" fast seeking, and it works…would you all rather not introduce new code at this point and just brought back the SoundEngine and ofxOpenALSoundPlayer thing?
18:30 dantheman you're the sound leader right?
18:30 admsyn yeah but I'm not the sound dictator :o
18:30 admsyn *:p
18:31 ofTheo haha - if it works perfectly and is iOS 5 and greater - go for it :)
18:31 admsyn > works perfectly
18:31 ofTheo :D
18:31 ofTheo the other reason to keep the OpenAL one is the 3D audio feature
18:31 ofTheo some people might be using it?
18:32 dantheman hmm wget: unable to resolve host address `www.openframeworks.cc'
18:32 dantheman my pi is all screwed up :(
18:33 admsyn ofTheo: yeah..that's why I was leaning towards just having it as an addon in the ecosystem "just in case"
18:33 dantheman jvcleave: would that be the hosts file screwed up?
18:33 admsyn but if it's in the core, it's just so...messy
18:34 ofTheo your call :) its easy enough to find it and it in manually
18:34 admsyn alright, I'll just bring back the SoundEngine deal, maybe throw a #warning deprecated into it
18:34 ofTheo maybe take a look at the low latency option?
18:34 ofTheo sorry - its a hard call : )
18:34 admsyn there's a low latency option?
18:35 dantheman lol
18:35 ofTheo I mean what you were talking about it
18:35 ofTheo *about.
18:35 admsyn oh, right :)
18:35 admsyn well I'm going to throw like an hour at it, and if it doesn't show any promise then go back to OpenAL
18:35 ofTheo haha - sounds good!
18:36 dantheman its there core audio for iOS?
18:36 admsyn yes
18:36 admsyn and iOS 5 actually made it pretty legit
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18:36 dantheman yeah that is what I thought
18:36 dantheman all of my audio stuff on iOS was core audio
18:37 admsyn yeah it's not terrible, considering it's super-low-level audio stuff
18:37 admsyn it just has a tendency to be undocumented
18:37 admsyn and spiteful
18:37 admsyn undocumented and spiteful
18:37 dantheman well yeah
18:37 dantheman the iOS dude at my old office was like beating his head against a wall on a bug once
18:37 dantheman with it
18:38 admsyn "oh you took to long in a render callback huh? Well. No more audio for you, ever"
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18:39 dantheman oh I learned something the other day
18:39 dantheman WiFi goes to shit when there are like a ton of wireless cameras around
18:42 kylemcd heh heh
18:42 dantheman IDK how many transmitters they had in that car
18:44 kylemcd i'm going to do some osx example testing
18:45 kylemcd ahhh actually sorry, just remembered something else
18:45 kylemcd hah hah
18:45 kylemcd i take it back
18:46 kylemcd bilderbuchi i'd be curious to see a graph of the issues over the last two months :)
18:47 bilderbuchi I can offer a version from jul19
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18:51 kylemcd wow nice
18:51 kylemcd crazy how much activity there is last month
18:52 dantheman lol
18:52 kylemcd also that big drop in issues
18:52 dantheman kylemcd: yeah like every time I did a pull on my windows box I was like WOAHH
18:52 kylemcd it looks almost linear for a week or two
18:52 bilderbuchi that was the last bugfixing weekend, btw
18:52 kylemcd ah yeah that makes sense
18:53 dantheman you got links for them graphs
18:53 kylemcd this level of activity pretty much only at devcons
18:53 kylemcd yeah uploading
18:53 kylemcd http://cl.ly/image/0D23392P2V0P
18:53 kylemcd bilderbuchi between 0071 and 0072 is that also a bugfix weekend
18:53 admsyn nice
18:54 bilderbuchi yes I think so
18:54 bilderbuchi that was the first one iirc
18:54 admsyn it's amazing how consistent the "issues opened" line is
18:54 dantheman yeah it is
18:55 dantheman the number of open issues is scary
18:55 bilderbuchi > the number of open issues is scary
18:56 bilderbuchi you can say that again..
18:56 kylemcd it would be interesting to see the size of the code base too
18:56 dantheman yeah
18:56 dantheman lines of code
18:56 dantheman and number of reps
18:56 dantheman deps*
18:56 kylemcd i wouldn't be surprised if there is a linear relationship between code length and issues
18:56 bilderbuchi that little dip in dec2011 is when I started as issue tracker leader. number of open issues has doubled since then :-(
18:56 kylemcd i think i read that in a research paper once
18:56 kylemcd ah nice
18:56 dantheman well like how many of open issues are really open
18:57 kylemcd bilderbuchi if you know some more of these you should tag them
18:57 bilderbuchi there's definitely a difference in bugs/LOC between OSS and proprietary software
18:57 kylemcd like you becoming leader or bugfix weekends
18:57 dantheman or are even relevant from 2 years ago
18:57 bilderbuchi for LOC: http://www.ohloh.net/p/openFrameworks
18:57 kylemcd also bilderbuchi do you have the raw data for this graph?
18:58 admsyn fwiw I think I actually have a net negative LOC contribution, and like ~10 bug fixes :D
18:58 harpreet That reminds me of - Diseconomies of Scale and Lines of Code by Stackoverflow founder Jeff Atwood
18:58 harpreet http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/07/di​seconomies-of-scale-and-lines-of-code.html
18:58 bilderbuchi yeah I could but I didn't want to crowd the graph too much. I can probably add the bugfixing weekends
18:58 harpreet Hi everyone btw :) A covert volunteer here :)
18:58 dantheman http://www.ohloh.net/p/openFramework​s/analyses/latest/languages_summary wow
18:58 admsyn hi harpreet
18:58 dantheman err 716328 lines of code
18:59 kylemcd hi harpreet :) glad to have you
18:59 kylemcd super interesting article
18:59 bilderbuchi > also bilderbuchi do you have the raw data for this graph?
18:59 bilderbuchi I have a serialised/pickled version but that's primarily for buffering it. typically I get it afresh from GH everytime. it's not very sophisiticated
18:59 harpreet thanks. i'll take the win_cb and osx testing btw :)
18:59 dantheman wow
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19:00 kylemcd does anyone measure something LOC-like using an entropy metric?
19:00 kylemcd harpreet -- awesome! the win_cb testing is especially helpful!!
19:00 bilderbuchi yeah jeff atwood writes good articles
19:01 kylemcd bilderbuchi do you have the script posted somewhere?
19:01 kylemcd in a gist maybe?
19:02 bilderbuchi yeah I don't know how accurate that ohloh thing is, generally (e.g. XML being our primary language :-P)
19:02 kylemcd yeah ohloh doesn't understand that our repo is full of stuff that isn't normally in a repo
19:03 dantheman well think about it
19:03 dantheman there is a lot of xml in there
19:04 kylemcd but really i'm curious about this compressibility thing
19:04 bilderbuchi I haven't yet, it's pretty messy and I'm hesitant to disseminate it :-/
19:04 bilderbuchi been meaning to polish it for quite some time, but the way it is now, it's working at least..
19:04 bilderbuchi compressibility thing?
19:04 kylemcd like graphing the size in bytes of libs/openFrameworks/ vs its compressed size
19:04 kylemcd right now it's about 2.7MB raw, 553kb zipped
19:05 bilderbuchi I'd say the fewer binaries, the better ;-)
19:05 kylemcd if we add a lot of boilerplate or repetitive code then the raw size will go up but not the compressed size
19:05 kylemcd bilderbuchi even if it's not cleaned up could you post it anyway?
19:06 bilderbuchi yes, I'm currently in the process. ripping my tokens out etc
19:06 bilderbuchi :-)
19:06 kylemcd awesomee
19:06 kylemcd thx
19:06 bilderbuchi man I can see that I wrote this when I started with python :D
19:09 kylemcd this is super interesting though
19:09 kylemcd http://www.ohloh.net/p/openFr​ameworks/contributors/summary
19:10 kylemcd arturo makes up 1/3 of the commits
19:10 kylemcd then theo, me and a few others are another 1/3
19:10 kylemcd and then everyone else is the final 1/3
19:10 dantheman lol
19:10 bilderbuchi here you go kyle https://gist.github.com/bilderbuchi/6099727
19:10 dantheman ofarturo: is a beast
19:10 kylemcd absolutely, but i'm more amazed that "everyone else" is 1/3 of the OF commits!
19:11 kylemcd that's awesome
19:11 kylemcd thanks bilderbuchi
19:11 bilderbuchi commiters can also be had here: https://github.com/openframewor​ks/openFrameworks/contributors
19:12 bilderbuchi yw
19:12 bilderbuchi the GH api lib is https://github.com/jacquev6/PyGithub btw
19:12 bilderbuchi awesome dev, very responsive etc
19:15 kylemcd we should commission someone to make a new OF logo with every OF release
19:15 kylemcd bilderbuchi i like this https://github.com/jacquev6/PyGithub/commit/c6​7f5f9d72f7ecf5299e221f590b0aee9bce049d#README.rst
19:16 bilderbuchi I was already wondering, earlier he had a response time (i.e. from bug report to fix to new release) from somwhere between one day and one week.
19:16 kylemcd heh heh
19:18 bilderbuchi please no @ new logo every release. that's not a very good brand strategy
19:19 kylemcd hah hah
19:19 kylemcd i was just looking at the OF twitter avatar
19:19 kylemcd and thought for the avatar mostly
19:19 kylemcd but yeah you're right
19:19 kylemcd not a good branding strategy ;)
19:22 kylemcd hmm i think pip and easy_install are associated with a different version of python on my system than `python` is
19:27 bilderbuchi you mean 2 vs 3?
19:28 kylemcd no 2.7 v 2.6
19:28 bilderbuchi ic
19:28 bilderbuchi btw you shouldn't use easy_install anymore: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3​220404/why-use-pip-over-easy-install
19:28 kylemcd yeah i heard
19:32 kylemcd aha, here it is http://superuser.com/questions/428932/usr-b​in-python-and-python-run-different-versions except i have the opposite problem :)
19:34 bilderbuchi this work for you http://stackoverflow.com/a/4910393/599884?
19:40 kylemcd not quite
19:40 kylemcd python on osx has a few ways of happening and it's not always clear which one you're using
19:40 kylemcd it comes by default w osx
19:40 kylemcd you can also install it with macports or fink or something
19:40 kylemcd you can also install it with their installer
19:41 kylemcd i've got your code running w/out mpl though it's just giving me a 500 none error from github now
19:42 kylemcd gonna try something else
19:43 dantheman jvcleave: should we make the base image run on a 8 gig or just tell people to get a 16 gig
19:43 dantheman ls
19:44 dantheman err wrong box
19:50 bilderbuchi > giving me a 500 none error from github now
19:50 bilderbuchi yeah that's what I've been getting for all of today. I suspect somethign wonky on GH side
19:50 kylemcd ah ok
19:51 bilderbuchi I'll send you a set of pickled files. then you can set fetch to false, and work from there
19:51 dantheman I changed my resolv.conf and got in
19:52 dantheman I think maybe funking is up with a DNS somewhere
19:52 dantheman like OF the internet
19:53 bilderbuchi ok guys, I gtg.
19:53 bilderbuchi see you around.
19:54 kylemcd see ya
19:54 dantheman anyone see this http://boingboing.net/2013/07/26/h​acker-barnaby-jack-dies-just.html
19:58 kylemcd wow
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20:04 dantheman yeah
20:04 dantheman call me a conspiracy nut but this smells fishy
20:05 kylemcd the lack of details is kind of weird
20:06 dantheman yeah
20:06 kylemcd did he have any known health problems? no report from his gf?
20:06 kylemcd no quotes from his family?
20:06 dantheman I haven't found anything
20:07 dantheman nor says unknown here http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/07/26/​205868748/elite-hacker-barnaby-jack-dies-at-36
20:08 dantheman npr*
20:09 dantheman "The cause of death is under investigation, San Francisco Deputy Coroner Kris Barbrich said"
20:10 kylemcd also "found in his apartment"
20:10 dantheman right
20:12 kylemcd http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/cele​brated-hacker-barnaby-jack-dies-1.1477550?ut​m_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twitter
20:12 kylemcd "police had ruled out foul play"
20:13 kylemcd so it's either a really good cover up or something embarrassing
20:14 dantheman i mean sure…or it wasn't obvious foul play
20:15 kylemcd but do you "rule out foul play" when it's just not obvious?
20:18 dantheman you are dealing with cops
20:18 dantheman it like takes 24+ hours for some fox screens to come back
20:18 dantheman tox*
20:19 dantheman I hate my auto correct on this client
20:23 kylemcd i see
20:23 dantheman naw they already put him in the ground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NBq8on34b0
20:24 dantheman well maybe I haven't see the video yet
20:24 kylemcd troll
20:24 dantheman it is?
20:24 kylemcd afaict
20:24 dantheman yeah
20:24 dantheman just loaded
20:25 dantheman this is weird
20:25 dantheman this guy just puts funeral severs up http://www.youtube.com/user/TommyParkyTeamVEVO
20:25 * dantheman shakes head
20:28 kylemcd weird
20:28 dantheman hey look it compiles!! woohoo
20:29 dantheman hmm wheezy failed to download
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20:45 kylemcd should something like xml.getValue("parentTag/childTag") work for getting "x" from "<parentTag><childTag>x</childTag></parentTag>"
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21:00 dantheman I thought it was parentTag:childTag ?
21:02 dantheman oh right are you using the new xml?
21:02 dantheman does that support xpaths?
21:02 kylemcd yeah
21:02 dantheman ^^
21:02 kylemcd i thought so, but maybe not
21:02 dantheman then it does
21:02 dantheman http://www.w3schools.com/xpath/xpath_syntax.asp
21:02 kylemcd yeah i just read
21:02 dantheman which is rad
21:02 kylemcd but it looks like something weird is happening
21:03 dantheman hmm
21:03 kylemcd i just keep getting the string "OF" back
21:03 kylemcd and i don't have any tags that contain the string "OF"... :)
21:03 dantheman interesting
21:03 dantheman and josh left a while ago
21:06 kylemcd um
21:06 kylemcd can someone explain why this:
21:06 kylemcd ofLog() << string();
21:07 kylemcd prints "[notice ] OF"?
21:07 dantheman yeah it the logging updates dan did
21:07 dantheman but not sure why it does OF
21:08 kylemcd hm but this is ok ofLog() << string() << " " << string();
21:08 dantheman o_O
21:08 dantheman a weird edge case maybe?
21:08 kylemcd yeah
21:10 kylemcd ok, so at least string() != "OF" that would have freaked me out
21:12 kylemcd here's what we have re xpath http://pocoproject.org/doc​s/Poco.XML.Node.html#19892
21:40 kylemcd well anyway, weirdness documented. https://github.com/openframewo​rks/openFrameworks/issues/2358
21:40 kylemcd moving on
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