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IRC log for #openframeworks, 2013-08-02

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00:04 admsyn so no 0.8.0 today? :(
00:04 kylemcd i guess not
00:04 kylemcd arturo is out
00:05 admsyn :C
00:05 kylemcd there's also still some changelog work to be done
00:05 admsyn yeah
00:05 admsyn I've kind of burned out on it, most of the stuff that's left wasn't totally clear to me from a quick skim of the PR
00:08 kylemcd yeah my feeling is that we need to have people update the changelog whenever they submit a PR
00:08 kylemcd i don't think this approach is sustainable
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00:11 admsyn yeah it's a little tricky to follow the conversation in some of them, since they don't always cover what the PR title says they're about
00:11 admsyn anyway I'm deducing a couple more, where did you move the crossed off ones?
00:14 kylemcd piratepad.net/OF-080-release-notes-x
00:14 kylemcd http://piratepad.net/OF-080-release-notes-x
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09:06 jonbro hey folkns
09:06 jonbro hmmm. is this the real openframeworks chan?
09:07 moofy It is
09:10 jonbro cool. does anyone know about the project generator?
09:10 jonbro specifically how to get it to build in codeblocks?
09:10 jonbro should it be building in codeblocks?
09:11 jonbro the actual issue that I am having is getting ofxPd to build on windows, and there has been fallout from this issue
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09:50 sh1v can somebody tell me how to readd openframeworks to an xcode  project?
09:57 jonbro it is a pretty painful process you need to add all the linker settings and library settings.
09:57 jonbro a better idea is to just make a new working openframeworks project, then add you source files to that.
09:57 jonbro if you can.
10:03 sh1v hey jonbro, thanks. Inexplicably, OF has disappeared from all my OF projects. :(
10:03 sh1v no idea wtf I did
10:03 sh1v recloning OF now, bleh
10:05 jonbro hmmm.
10:05 jonbro that is strang.
10:05 jonbro I wonder if it was a reorganization of the way OF works?
10:06 sh1v not sure, I ran a "clean" on a project and then kaboom
10:07 sh1v god bless source control
10:07 sh1v :)
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11:43 sh1v omg. it upsets me when I spend hours on an issue that was solved by good ole "turn it off and on again"
11:43 sh1v ef
11:46 roxlu hi guys, when I use the git version of OF where is the projectGenerator? (sorry if this is documented but I cannot find this info in the readmes/website)
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11:48 roxlu nvm :) apps/projectgenerator is empty :) but apps/devapps/projectgenerator not :)
12:07 jonbro yeah, that is the one you need.
12:08 roxlu actually, I just found out the hard way that this doesn't work for VS2012
12:08 roxlu I think I need the projectGeneratorSimple
12:09 moofy Have any of you had much experience with combining openframeworks with osx's UI elements
12:09 moofy or is it better suggested to use an addon to do UIs
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13:04 jonbro roxlu: I was able to get the project gen running with vs2012... what was the problem you were having?
13:05 jonbro moofy: there is now a gui built into OF... in the 0080 build.
13:05 jonbro you will need to either run a nightly or get it from github, but I think there will be a release of it soon.
13:06 moofy interesting
13:06 moofy just messing about with interface builder
13:06 moofy objective-c++ jsut seems hmm
13:06 moofy messy
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13:14 roxlu jonbro: what revision/branch/vs2012 express/pro do you use?
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13:35 nongio hi guys, I would like to help the bugfix, i can work on mbp with osx 10.7.5
13:35 jonbro roxlu: was on develop as of this morning, using vs2012 express
13:36 jonbro moofy: obj-c isn't too bad once you get used to its lispy ness.
13:36 roxlu jonbro: no win8 i suppose?
13:37 jonbro roxlu: on win 7, sorry :(
13:37 roxlu yeah I get thet tr1 issues
13:37 jonbro tr1?
13:37 roxlu oh before .. :)
13:37 roxlu now, it's the projectGeneratorSimple which can't compile
13:37 roxlu it can't find tinyxmlparser.cpp
13:38 roxlu I keep jumping from one error // missing file into the other : )
13:38 jonbro roxlu: I found that I was getting those errors in codeblocks... like the paths were not defined right.
13:38 jonbro couldn't figure out how to build it in codeblocks, so I just switched to vs2012
13:39 roxlu yeah :)
13:41 admsyn hey nongio, right now we could use people to test the examples
13:41 admsyn so if you get the nightly from here: http://www.openframeworks.cc/nightlybuilds.html
13:42 admsyn and then put 'x's in examples you've checked here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At​tyIRZ76JCddGJnbzBJaFFuWlBMZEpqUEdPSmtUaUE#gid=0
13:42 nongio good
13:43 admsyn thanks! :)
13:43 admsyn if you see anything that looks like an issue, feel free to open an issue on github
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14:10 moofy objective-c is lispy?
14:10 moofy never thought of it that way
14:10 moofy i guess with the whole [[thing alloc] init]
14:10 moofy i can see where it starts to be that way
14:13 jonbro yeah, just replace the [ with ( in your mind.
14:14 jonbro that is what makes it seem messy to me.
14:14 jonbro but to each their own type of mess.
14:14 moofy I started reading up about memory management in obj-c
14:14 moofy weirds me out to be alloc-ing and not freeing
14:15 moofy I still don't really understand quite how you mix obj-c and c++ really though
14:15 moofy going to have to try and find some examples
14:16 jonbro just mix em...
14:16 jonbro you just need to name your files .mm
14:16 moofy wait
14:16 moofy i can just have a - (void)dooblyboo
14:16 moofy next to a regular c++ function?
14:17 jonbro ah, no.
14:17 jonbro you need to keep your objects seperate.
14:17 jonbro but you can have refs across, and call functions between them.
14:17 moofy This is why I need an example I think
14:18 moofy all i want to do is have some native buttons really
14:18 jonbro I think there is a keyboard example in ofxIphone that shows how to do it.
14:18 jonbro I believe memo also made something to add native ui stuff.
14:18 moofy Oh i think i missed that, i'll have a look
14:18 jonbro that isn't the approach I would take though.
14:18 moofy i'm open to ideas
14:18 moofy still new to this stuff
14:18 jonbro https://github.com/rezaali/ofxUI
14:18 jonbro that is what I would use if I just needed some buttons.
14:19 jonbro it stays inside of openframeworks, and should be portable ish.
14:19 jonbro also, it looks pretty nice by default.
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14:21 moofy heh
14:21 moofy 'portable-ish'
14:21 moofy well if it's an iphone/pad thing
14:21 moofy no real downside to making it with native stuff
14:22 jonbro unless you decide later to port it to other platforms.
14:23 rossc1 moofy: did you see the technique used on creative applications http://www.creativeapplications.net/ip​hone/integrating-native-uikit-to-your-​existing-openframeworks-ios-project/
14:23 moofy oh wow this looks perfect
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15:06 jonbro does anyone know where ofLog messages go when you are in codeblocks?
15:06 jonbro they don't seem to show up in the console windows
15:08 admsyn I'm 99% it just uses cout in the end?
15:08 admsyn and cerr for errors
15:13 jonbro interesting.
15:14 admsyn some stuff might not show up because the log level is set too high?
15:14 jonbro cout << works fine, but don't see anything from ofLog(OF_LOG_ERROR...
15:14 admsyn or low
15:14 admsyn or whatever
15:14 admsyn what about OF_LOG_NOTICE?
15:14 admsyn maybe errors go somewhere weird in codeblocks
15:14 jonbro not sure, recompiling.
15:15 admsyn because OF_LOG_ERROR would use cerr << "whatever"
15:17 jonbro ah, that actually isn't the problem...
15:17 jonbro cerr working fine.
15:18 admsyn but OF_LOG_NOTICE doesn't show up?
15:18 jonbro ah, nope, that is working too.
15:18 admsyn oh ok
15:18 admsyn \o/
15:18 jonbro I was trying to debug a function, but it turns out that function isn't being called at all.
15:18 jonbro whoops.
15:18 admsyn haha
15:19 jonbro I am in the middle of both upgrading a project from 72 -> 80, while simultaneously porting to windows.
15:19 admsyn oh fun :)
15:19 jonbro not sure where any of the errors are coming from at this point.
15:20 admsyn what sort of stuff are you running into?
15:20 jonbro right now... it is that events are not getting called.
15:20 jonbro like the poco default events.
15:20 admsyn oh, makes sense
15:20 admsyn did openFrameworks even have events in 72?
15:21 jonbro oh yeah, OF_LOG_NOTICE is def not working.
15:21 admsyn :/
15:21 jonbro when I switched it to OF_LOG_ERROR it started dumping stuff out correctly.
15:21 admsyn what if you do warning?
15:21 admsyn I don't remember if the default log level supresses notices
15:21 admsyn but warnings should come through
15:22 jonbro oh, right, forgot about the log level thing.
15:22 jonbro yeah, don't get warnings.
15:22 admsyn :/
15:22 jonbro this has to be on my side.
15:22 admsyn does the console in codeblocks do filtering?
15:23 admsyn so you can enable / disable regular messages, errors, etc
15:23 jonbro not sure.
15:23 admsyn my guess, anyway
15:23 admsyn you could test it with a straight cout
15:24 admsyn this is the code in question : https://github.com/openframeworks/​openFrameworks/blob/master/libs/op​enFrameworks/utils/ofLog.cpp#L207
15:25 admsyn so unless there's some weird trickery going on somewhere else (I don't think so) it's just picking cout or cerr based on the OF_LOG_ERROR
15:25 jonbro right.
15:25 admsyn oh, derp, that's master not develop
15:25 admsyn one sec
15:26 jonbro yeah the code looks the same on develop
15:26 admsyn oh it's the same in develop
15:26 admsyn yeah
15:26 jonbro must be codeblocks doing something.
15:29 jonbro haha, nope! it was me.
15:29 jonbro always blaming my tools.
15:29 jonbro was setting the log level.
15:30 jonbro too many lines of code in this project.
15:30 admsyn haha
15:30 admsyn porting through 4 oF updates and a platform switch can't be a good time
15:33 jonbro nope!!! the fact that I had about a zillion libs on this project doesn't help either.
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19:25 Topic for #openframeworks is now #openFrameworks Welcome to the openFrameworks irc channel - We are now doing a bugfixing drive for 0.8.0 - please submit PRs against https://github.com/openframe​works/openFrameworks/issues - please read: https://github.com/openframeworks/openFra​meworks/wiki/openFrameworks-git-workflow
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