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IRC log for #openframeworks, 2014-06-01

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17:07 kylemcd hi! sorry i’m late
17:08 admsyn helloo
17:08 jvcleave what up
17:08 kylemcd so we’ve got tim, adam, arturo, jason
17:08 arturo hey
17:09 kylemcd arturo how did you get that nick
17:09 kylemcd that’s impressive
17:09 arturo :) not sure i guess whoever has it is not connected right now
17:09 kylemcd hah nice
17:09 Topic for #openframeworks is now Welcome to http://openframeworks.cc/ | logs at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/openframeworks/ | Meetup notes https://openframeworks.hackpad.com/IRC-Meetup-June-1
17:10 kylemcd since arturo’s here let’s start with openFrameworks-emscripten.
17:10 kylemcd 1. Arturo has been working on openFrameworks-emscripten.
17:10 kylemcd what is the long term plan for OF + empscripten?
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17:11 arturo no idea :) it doesn't introduce much changes in the core though so it'll be no problem to merge it
17:11 arturo i guess we can release 0.8.2 soon and then do a 0.9 with emscripten  + c++11
17:11 arturo everything is working now, video, audio....
17:12 admsyn awesome
17:12 kylemcd will it be a separate download on the downloads page
17:12 arturo yes i think so
17:12 jvcleave the download size any smaller than the thesis version?
17:12 arturo mainly to not include the libraries, the size should be more or less the same
17:12 jvcleave for apps that is
17:12 jvcleave got it
17:12 arturo for apps is about 8mb per app
17:12 kylemcd i had one technical question too
17:13 arturo in release mode
17:13 kylemcd is it possible to compile OF separately from the user code, to make a single OF download?
17:13 arturo well it creates an .so but then each application is a single .js
17:13 arturo you can't link to libraries on the definitive app
17:14 kylemcd ok
17:14 arturo it compiles everything into the app no matter if it is static or dinamic libraries
17:14 kylemcd it would be nice to have that option in the future then we could have a site where there are a ton of apps and you don’t have to do an 8mb download for each
17:14 kylemcd but it sounds like that’s somethign harder to pull off
17:15 arturo yes but that's something that emscripten doesn¡t allo
17:15 arturo at least right now
17:15 jvcleave plug-in style
17:15 kylemcd ok cool
17:15 arturo thinking of it, it might be useful to include it in the download versions for desktop
17:16 arturo so someone can compile for the web without needing a special version
17:16 arturo to show something you are working on...
17:16 kylemcd yeah if that’s possible, it would be cool
17:16 kylemcd but only if it doesn’t compilcate the toolchain
17:16 arturo yes the makefiles are the same we would just need to include the libraries for emscripten with the download
17:16 kylemcd it would be better if people could prototype on desktop then deploy on web
17:17 kylemcd how big are those libs
17:17 arturo yeah totally
17:18 arturo seems like around 12Mb without opencv
17:18 kylemcd awesome. let’s do it that way :)
17:18 arturo it could also be an option, you can download with and without web version but yeah i think if it's about 20Mb more it's totally ok
17:18 arturo will work on linux and os only by now
17:19 arturo osx
17:19 kylemcd yeah i think 20mb one time isn’t an issue
17:19 kylemcd ok, that’s good to know
17:19 kylemcd we can put a call out for that maybe
17:19 arturo yes i guess the same method we use for android should work but it might be complicated to setup
17:20 kylemcd let’s move onto the next one, this seems related maybe:
17:20 kylemcd 2. 64-bit & C++11 simultaneously on OSX ( openframeworks/openFrameworks#2335#issuecomment-44743712 )
17:20 admsyn yeah so elliot brought this up yesterday on the linked issue
17:20 arturo yeah we should have support for c++11 asap
17:21 admsyn and IMO it's pretty important, to do the Big Breaking Stuff in one step
17:21 kylemcd i think this is the right link https://github.com/openframeworks/openframeworks/issues/2335#issuecomment-44743712
17:21 admsyn yepp
17:21 admsyn so, basically, should we milestone that for 0.9.0 ?
17:21 arturo i think so
17:22 kylemcd ok i just did that
17:22 admsyn cool, that was basically all I was going to say
17:22 admsyn tgfrerer might know more?
17:22 admsyn because of https://github.com/openFrameworks-cpp11/openFrameworks
17:23 tgfrerer hey guys - was just following along quietly =)
17:23 jchillerup me too :)
17:23 tgfrerer +1 for doing things in one go
17:23 kylemcd hi you two
17:24 tgfrerer elliot's just managed to get opencv to compile for c++11, apparently
17:24 admsyn yepp https://github.com/elliotwoods/ofxCvMin
17:24 jchillerup Hah, great, just what I needed for my current assignment! :)
17:24 jchillerup Thanks!
17:24 jchillerup Is it the same interface as kylemcd's ofxCv?
17:25 tgfrerer but yeah, if we can do 64 bit & clang in one go we can also limit the amount of libraries we want to ship
17:25 tgfrerer jchilleru: i'm not sure, better ask elliot directly =)
17:25 arturo yes we shoul also get all the libraries up to date for 0.9
17:26 arturo i need the latest opencv for emscripten but might be nice to update also poco...
17:26 jchillerup I'll just read the sources
17:26 kylemcd jchillerup: looks like he took wrappers, utlities, helpers and left out the other stuff (object detection, blobs, calibration, tracking, etc)
17:28 kylemcd ok moving ahead
17:28 kylemcd 3. ofxAddons has some major changes.
17:28 kylemcd check it out http://ofxaddons.com/
17:28 kylemcd i don’t think they mailed the list about this
17:28 kylemcd but the addons are now back to the old style by default
17:29 kylemcd being sorted by categories
17:29 kylemcd they also changed the way the rendering happens using some clever css i think
17:29 kylemcd so it loads crazy fast
17:30 admsyn sweet
17:30 kylemcd i don’t think we have anyone here from that team to say anything, but i think there are still a couple small changes in the works
17:30 admsyn that helps a lot :)
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17:31 kylemcd like there’s still a bug where when you click on the headers, it takes you to the unsorted page http://ofxaddons.com/category/computer%20vision
17:31 admsyn I notice the "found # addons" bit is gone, is that just cause it's still kinda janky?
17:31 kylemcd not sure about that
17:31 arturo looks good, there's a bug in the freshests section where the popular menu lights up instead of freshest
17:31 kylemcd good catch
17:32 kylemcd the categories are also missing on the first page, i’m not sure what the deal is there
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17:33 kylemcd added https://github.com/atduskgreg/ofxaddons.com/issues/95 :)
17:33 arturo :)
17:34 kylemcd ok, moving on
17:34 kylemcd the hard question
17:34 kylemcd 4. We were aiming for all critical issues finished by June 10. Since the last meeting, 5 were closed at 16 remain.
17:35 kylemcd what’s the plan?
17:36 arturo only 10 seem critical
17:37 arturo i can take care of the glfw and ofParameter stuff
17:37 admsyn yeah IMO this one could maybe be filed as a "won't fix" https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/issues/2456
17:37 admsyn (the window redrawing while resizing window on OSX)
17:37 arturo yeah
17:37 jvcleave this one can be moved until later https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/pull/2990
17:37 admsyn and there's a couple PRs that can probably just be merged like the iOS version one https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/pull/2962
17:37 tgfrerer also 2710 seems only to affect simulator
17:37 arturo also the one where the app crashes when the monitor restarts is a glfw thing
17:37 arturo i don't think we will fix it for 0.8.2
17:38 arturo yes 2710 doesn't seem to be milestoned for the next release
17:39 arturo i think it's doable, also unless there's something really critical i think we should just do the release however it is by that date and reschedule the remaining bugs for the next release
17:41 kylemcd ok so the idea is to push a few issues back, fix as many of the rest as possible, and then release on that date regardless
17:42 arturo i think that's the best
17:43 kylemcd admsyn feel free to close that one and leave a short comment
17:43 admsyn sure
17:43 kylemcd jvcleave i just moved that one to 0.8.3
17:43 jvcleave cool - I'll keep an eye on it in case he updates it
17:44 kylemcd admsyn why do you think that ios one hasn’t been merged yet?
17:44 arturo probably next release should be 0.9 instead of 0.8.3 but we can move them later
17:45 admsyn kylemcd: I think it's just that lukasz's suggestion is a good one and no-one's had the time to implement it
17:45 kylemcd it looks pretty straightforward to me but it’s been there for a month
17:45 kylemcd i see
17:46 admsyn just from a quick re-reading it looks like an implementation detail, not something that'd break in the future if we implemented it
17:46 kylemcd but if i understand correctly it could be merged and then updated later
17:46 kylemcd right
17:46 admsyn so maybe just pulling it now and then improving later is best
17:46 admsyn yeah
17:46 admsyn because the current system should go
17:47 kylemcd k i just merged
17:47 kylemcd alright down to 14
17:48 kylemcd arturo this one https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/issues/2643
17:48 kylemcd someone commented that it’s fixed with the latest glfw
17:48 kylemcd we will do new libs with 0.9 or 0.8.3?
17:49 arturo that's glfw's author :)   i merged those changes so it might be fixed already
17:49 kylemcd nice!
17:50 arturo i'll need to add some changes to fix the correct key mappings so i might update glfw but most probably i'll need to use a patched version
17:50 arturo since i think they haven't fixed that yet
17:50 kylemcd ok
17:52 arturo next?
17:52 * admsyn ~~~~progress~~~~~
17:53 tgfrerer +)
17:53 kylemcd yes :)
17:53 admsyn looks like that assimp one has code posted for a fix and everything: https://github.com/openframeworks/openFrameworks/issues/2826
17:54 admsyn I know *nothing* about the assimp thing so I'd rather not touch it :)
17:54 kylemcd ok i just pinged some people on that one
17:55 kylemcd the more people can go through the issues and see what’s up the better
17:55 kylemcd i’m not sure we have anyone who can speak to the next two items though
17:55 arturo i'll take a look it seems simple enough just adding a simple copy constructor
17:55 kylemcd Status of ofBook. & Status of new project generator.
17:55 arturo about ofBook, it's almost there
17:55 kylemcd thanks arturo
17:56 kylemcd do you think ofBook is still on for june 10? i saw a few people drop out knowing they couldn’t do it in time
17:56 arturo the texts are mostly ready and the guys who are doing the designs have done a first version that looks really good
17:56 kylemcd which i take as a good thing cause it means it will stick to the schedule :)
17:56 arturo i think they are starting to work on images...
17:56 arturo well the original schedule was end of february :) but yeah
17:57 admsyn I took "february" as a motivator instead of a schedule :)
17:57 arturo yeah
17:57 jvcleave is there a compiled copy somewhere?
17:57 admsyn there's a pretty recent one in the tags IIRC
17:57 arturo i have a version in openframeworks.cc/ofBook
17:57 admsyn pdf and all
17:57 arturo user ofbook
17:57 arturo pwd ofbook*!
17:58 jvcleave great - thanks!
17:58 arturo but it's not the definitive css or anything
17:58 kylemcd cool
17:59 kylemcd and anything on the project generator? i think only zach it on that right now?
17:59 arturo hey i have to leave
17:59 jvcleave pdf link is 404
17:59 arturo yes i think that's only zach
17:59 arturo jvcleave, yeah pdf is not there only web
17:59 kylemcd ok i’ll ask on the list for an update
17:59 kylemcd thanks arturo!
18:00 arturo talk soon!
18:00 admsyn bye!
18:00 tgfrerer bye guys!
18:00 kylemcd meeting adjourned :)
18:01 kylemcd thanks for coming! see you next month ;)
18:01 admsyn kylemcd: been playing with the EDSDK, it's pretty fun :3
18:01 jvcleave eyeo anyone?
18:01 * admsyn is going to eyeo
18:01 kylemcd :) it’s awesome
18:02 * kylemcd at eyeo
18:02 admsyn currently at eyeo a week before it begins?
18:02 admsyn that's some FIRST POST right there
18:02 jvcleave you are?
18:03 admsyn anyway RE: EDSDK I've got some stuff that lets you set Tv/Av and trigger the autocalibration with ofxGui
18:03 admsyn *autofocus
18:03 jvcleave it def snuck up on me - in my mind it was a month away
18:03 admsyn but whenever I trigger it the camera never quits and then I can't reconnect to it in the future :(
18:04 admsyn jvcleave: yeah same here :)
18:09 admsyn jvcleave: you gonna stick around for the bonus day?
18:10 admsyn actually if there's like ~3 OF people around for bonus day that might be a good time to do a quick bug fix
18:10 jvcleave not sure - I have no flight/hotel yet so maybe :)
18:10 jvcleave just a ticket
18:10 admsyn my flight leaves I think 7pm on that last day, so I'm planning on being around
18:11 jvcleave MSP flights are unusually expensive - always been that way for me
18:11 admsyn yeah it's like ~600 to and from Toronto
18:11 admsyn which is like, accross a lake
18:12 jvcleave yeah - can make it europe for less
18:12 admsyn the first time I went to eyeo a friend and I flew into chicago and took the ~8 hour greyhound to and from minneapolis
18:13 admsyn which saved something like 200 dollars but was SO NOT WORTH IT
18:13 jvcleave i drove it last year over a couple of days but it's like the Trail of Tears for deer
18:13 admsyn :(
18:15 jvcleave going to try and make it though - hope to see you there
18:16 admsyn you too, should be good
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18:20 bilderbuchi hey ho
18:20 admsyn hey bilderbuchi
18:21 bilderbuchi meeting over already?
18:22 bilderbuchi ah darn, it was at 7 (i.e. 80 mins ago)?
18:24 admsyn yepp
18:24 admsyn quick one :)
18:28 bilderbuchi yeah, my scheduled event got mixed up or whatever, I thought it should start at 8
18:29 bilderbuchi anyway, back from a short vacation, will go unpack things
18:53 jchillerup Who wants to help me sketch up and implement a RISC CPU on Amazon Mechanical Turk? :)
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