Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #openframeworks, 2015-03-14

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01:39 alski tilt was working so well until I moved my functions into their own class... doesn't seem to be eliciting any sort of change
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14:12 Dorald hi
14:12 Dorald i need help
14:12 Dorald how to build OF from github repo ?
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15:12 alski Does anyone know how to debug when a transformation isn't working on a primitive/
15:12 alski Tilt isn't doing anything for me, it has something to do with how I have moved my code into it's own class, including the method with the tilt in it.
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17:19 jedahan i wonder if theres an eventual goal to distribute openframeworks as 'just another lib' that would be in /usr/lib ...
17:21 admsyn I know at least there's a standing issue for OSX to make a .framework
17:22 admsyn I think a major wrinkle in doing a /usr/lib thing is that OF often relies on particular versions of static libs that can easily conflict with system-provided ones
17:22 admsyn there's an issue where it's discussed in the context of lib naming, why some of the static libs packeged with OF don't use a 'lib' prefix
17:23 admsyn but i mean apt-get openframeworks would be pretty neat
17:23 jedahan I thought that was a particular issue with osx
17:23 jedahan and just a workaround to not have lib
17:25 admsyn sure, just giving an example instead of "it's complicated" :)
17:25 jedahan yeah, I made a package for exherbo - I just do cave resolve -x openFrameworks, and it installs the dependencies, and then puts oF in /usr/src/
17:25 admsyn cool
17:26 jedahan once quinn kennedy's de-directoryification patch lands, and ofx can generate generic makefiles, I think it'll be a lot closer
17:27 admsyn yeah for sure, that'd be nice
17:28 jedahan but I don't see anywhere its explicitly stated what platform on linux oF is targeting re:libraries
17:28 admsyn as in supported linux distros
17:28 admsyn ?
17:28 admsyn or x86 etc?
17:28 jedahan it says arch, debian, ubuntu, fedora are supported
17:29 jedahan so the question is - does oF target the lowest common denominator of libraries for all those systems
17:29 jedahan and then bundle 'when it has to'?
17:30 jedahan most projects i've seen have a configure option for each library that lets you specify 'use the one installed in my system' or 'use the bundled version'
17:30 jedahan so oF can bundle all the required versions, and set defaults of 'use-system-library' for what is available on all the systems
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17:31 admsyn as in they have their own way of doing the spec or it's just cmake etc?
17:31 jedahan just cmake, etc
17:33 jedahan package maintainers generally look at what libraries are required by an application, and if their distribution has the minimum supported version of that library, adds that library version to metadata in the package, and compiles the program with --use-system-$library=true
17:35 admsyn fwiw I don't have much investment in that sort of thing, I wish I could answer you better :)
17:36 admsyn I think if you wanted to get some momentum going in that direction though, an example of a similar system would go a long way
17:36 jedahan yeah
17:36 admsyn especially once apothecary kinda settles down (looks like it will soon)
17:36 jedahan thing is i havent found anything as...sprawling as oF :)
17:37 admsyn I think part of the issue is that thinking of OF as a well defined little box that should do the same thing as the other things in said box
17:37 jedahan hence it being a framework, not a library
17:37 jedahan but oF as a library is kinda dreamy to me
17:37 admsyn cause it's sort of a library and sort of a wrapper for libraries and a build system and an interop layer and and and
17:37 admsyn yeah
17:38 jedahan I think I saw a project or two around making a package manager for c++
17:38 admsyn honestly my intuition is that you'll get 70% of the way there and then end up fighting against the current trying to make lib-maintaining systems work for OF
17:38 admsyn but i'd be interested to try!
17:39 admsyn the .framework on OSX is something I've been eyeing for a bit, since it's a pretty decent match to OF's universe-in-a-box setup
17:40 admsyn but ya know time & energy & etc
17:40 jedahan yeaaah
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