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IRC log for #openframeworks, 2015-09-06

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17:01 Topic for #openframeworks is now Welcome :) Site: http://openframeworks.cc/ Logs: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/openframeworks/ Agenda: https://openframeworks.hackpad.​com/IRC-Meetup-September-6-2015
17:02 kylemcd hi folks, zach just messaged me saying he’ll be here in 10 minutes
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17:10 ofzach hello !
17:10 kylemcd hey!
17:10 admsyn hi all
17:11 kylemcd if you’re here, can you say “hello"?
17:11 kylemcd just to see how many people are around
17:11 kylemcd theo won’t be able to join us today, and i haven’t heard from rturo
17:11 Daandelange Hey! :)
17:12 Daandelange nice to meet you all, but sadly i have to leave now, I'll come back as soon as i can :)
17:12 kylemcd no worries :) nice to say hi for a moment
17:13 ofzach np !  thanks for the changes to semantic-ui branch, I checked it out they are really helpful !
17:14 kylemcd so i guess this will be quick? :)
17:15 kylemcd first item is 0.9.0
17:15 kylemcd RC1 has been out for almost four weeks, should we aim for RC2 on Monday followed by a release?
17:15 admsyn seems like it
17:15 ofzach was the ios stuff with julapy resolved ?
17:15 ofzach (I think there was some outstanding work there about the window / events ) ?
17:15 kylemcd i think it was closed by this https://github.com/openframew​orks/openFrameworks/pull/4332
17:16 ofzach cool
17:16 ofzach I think that release schedule sounds good —
17:16 admsyn I've been pretty out of the loop the last couple months, is there anything I can do to help out the release?
17:17 kylemcd yeah with that in mind there are no critical bugs milestoned for 0.9.0
17:17 ofzach I think lookig at rc2 from the perspective of a new user would be good
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17:18 kylemcd yeah i think so, anything we can do to make that experience more friendly & simple would be great
17:18 kylemcd there is a lot that could be accomplished with some small changes
17:18 kylemcd if you have some time admsyn it would be great to have you tackle that
17:19 admsyn how vague :)
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17:19 kylemcd hah hah
17:20 kylemcd i can explain a little better, maybe zach can too
17:20 kylemcd but i’d start by looking at the zip that you get when downloading the nightly
17:20 admsyn seen anything intesting with the new rounds of students recently, maybe?
17:20 ofzach I think just looking at the zip —
17:20 ofzach and what does it look like from the moment you unzip, is there stuff we should remove, stuff to add ?
17:20 kylemcd what do you see first, what is the first thing you read
17:20 ofzach ie, how to make it as friendly as possible….
17:21 kylemcd i find it strange that there is an ‘other’ folder just for serialTest still, but maybe that’s not so weird
17:21 admsyn same
17:22 ofzach just making notes like that could be really helpful
17:22 kylemcd so for example, a PR moving that to the comments of the example could be a small but helpful change
17:22 admsyn tbh a lot of the top level stuff is pretty "for people working on OF itself" I think
17:23 admsyn export, scripts, tests
17:23 kylemcd i don’t think all of it ends up in the zip though
17:23 admsyn ah right
17:23 admsyn just from hanging around in IRC and such, I think a looooot of people start with the repo because that's what one does in 2015
17:24 admsyn anecodtally
17:24 admsyn *anecdotally
17:24 admsyn probably the most common question / complaint that comes through is how to run the examples straight from the repo
17:25 kylemcd yeah some notes on these kinds of things would be great, along with suggestions for what we could change to make it work better
17:25 kylemcd and i think some of it could even be changed in time for the release
17:25 ofzach yeah we can def make this much more straight forward…
17:28 kylemcd let me or zach know if you have any qs, and whatever you learn, add it into one issue :)
17:28 kylemcd i don’t think there’s an issue dealing with the general onboarding user experience so far
17:28 admsyn sure :)
17:29 admsyn I feel like there's a pretty big opening there for educators etc to open issues on that
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17:29 admsyn I don't spend much time in that space, it's really easy to miss what's important RE onboarding
17:30 ofzach def good to ping teachers on this… maybe once rc2 is up we can open a conversation on the forum or some place easy to add input
17:30 admsyn anyway :) release!
17:30 kylemcd yeah i agree
17:30 kylemcd the other big issue that’s waiting to be closed is the emscripten docs https://github.com/openframewo​rks/openFrameworks/issues/4206
17:34 kylemcd i’ll ping arturo or see if he needs help — there’s one other person i’m thinking of that could be great to contribute there
17:34 kylemcd anyway, the only other item on the agenda today: project generator
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17:35 kylemcd zach and daan have developed a new app that’s looking great
17:35 ofzach it’s getting there :)
17:35 kylemcd what kind of feedback are you looking for at this stage zach? and will it be included with rc2 tomorrow?
17:35 ofzach it will be ready for tomorrow — I need some help on linux.  I tested windows earlier so it should be good.
17:36 ofzach I think feedback from usage and certain preferences would be good, I’ll try to build it so it’s easy to try some different options
17:36 ofzach I think feedback about documentation and / or how to clean things up will be good on non OSX platforms....
17:37 ofzach on windows / linux the PG kind has all the dlls aruond it, it’s a little “messy” but the pg simple was like this also
17:37 ofzach but part of that means it’s hard to spot the “readme” and or it makes it harder to follow
17:38 ofzach I think it’s just about getting feedback from usage.
17:39 ofzach (and for more intrepid users to use the command line tool — ie, setting up an env variable and alias)
17:39 kylemcd what is the timeline for merging the pgElectron with the OF repo?
17:40 ofzach I think we should merge after 0.9
17:40 kylemcd hmm but seems like if we want to package with 0.9.0 we should have it in the repo, no?
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17:40 ofzach but deleting the non used project generators would be good
17:40 kylemcd that way it’s part of the tag
17:41 ofzach it could be, it’s all still super manual now though, I need to figure out with arturo how to do this
17:41 ofzach the way it works now is I use the npm tools to build the dist but then I still have to adjust settings and move command line apps around
17:41 ofzach it could be scripted for sure, it’s just not there yet…
17:41 Daandelange (back)
17:42 kylemcd ok, if it’s possible to get it in before it seems like the right solution — if it’s too hard we just do it manually
17:42 kylemcd hey daan
17:42 kylemcd i saw your comment here about drag and drop https://github.com/ofZach/pgElectr​on/issues/9#issuecomment-137848408
17:42 ofzach yeah I feel like I don’t totally understand npm build tools yet :)
17:42 ofzach I know how to do the packaging in python :)
17:42 kylemcd it’s a good design question what happens when they drag & drop a “denied” file
17:44 Daandelange for the moment the deposit zone becomes red but if you drop it anyways the normal UI comes back so it might not be very clear
17:44 kylemcd i see
17:44 Daandelange but a message might would be too much
17:44 kylemcd yeah let’s get feedback on that. we’ll see if people even run into it...
17:44 ofzach I was planning to take a look at the drag and drop stuff this afternoon too
17:44 kylemcd right
17:44 kylemcd oh great
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17:46 Daandelange As i said to zach already, I'm gonna be way less available this month, I can still help a little with the PG the next days but after that I wont be able to help a lot…
17:46 kylemcd cool, let’s aim to release rc2 tomorrow (or at least get it packaged, and announce on tuesday)
17:46 ofzach cool cool…
17:47 kylemcd i’ll be in france on wednesday for a week, so i will be a little behind if anything crazy happens — but it seems like things are pretty much ready to go now
17:47 ofzach yep it’s getting close !
17:48 kylemcd thanks admsyn daandelange ofzach for showing up, might be the quickest meeting in OF history :)
17:48 admsyn !!
17:48 kylemcd have a great sunday, and talk again soon!
17:48 admsyn bye
17:48 ofzach yep !!  ttyl ! ciao everyone
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17:49 Daandelange cya :)
17:50 admsyn th
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