Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #opentreeoflife, 2014-01-24

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15:16 towodo jimallman, you there?
15:41 jimallman towodo: hi, back now
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15:42 towodo hi. trying to think how to run the meeting
15:43 jimallman fyi - i'm reading the latest emails.
15:43 towodo naturally i think my analysis is the right one.  don't want to dominate but don't want things to degenerate either
15:43 jimallman as you said, it's a tangle of different issues. i like the approach you've taken, use cases first.
15:44 jimallman the difficulty i see is that the conversation started as, Let's stick with what we have for now, and ponder a better architecture forlater.
15:44 jimallman which means all the same work is still on our plate.
15:44 jimallman and more later.
15:44 jimallman now it seems we're discussing whether to pivot *now*, which is a sobering prospect.
15:45 towodo i don't think that question has been made explicit, has it?...
15:45 jimallman not sure, maybe i'm reading too much into things.
15:45 towodo maybe draw cody out on what got him into this state? a feeling of unmeetable responsibility?
15:46 jimallman it certainly sounds like his role is bigger than he anticipated.
15:47 towodo well he's taken it on himself, he can push back
15:47 jimallman oti is really central in the current setup, basically trying to mask the "impedance mismatch" between document store and the underlying data model.
15:48 towodo I don't think anyone is arguing that there shouldn't be something in that position
15:48 jimallman right, it seems to be part of the big picture in any case.
15:48 blackrim hey folks, just to add a comment
15:48 jimallman whether serialized data is central or peripheral.
15:48 towodo the questions are details about what it does and what its internal representations are
15:48 towodo sure
15:49 blackrim i think that one thing is that there seems to be a lot to still be done with oti in order to work with this model.
15:49 towodo there is alot to be done with anything to work with any model
15:50 blackrim but there are some things that are specific to this model that are not in a more traditional model
15:50 towodo I don't want to tie design to personnel
15:50 blackrim basically some of the conversations about annotations I think were what pushed things over
15:51 towodo didn't we get past that?
15:51 blackrim possibly
15:52 blackrim what do you mean by the "tie design to personnel"
15:52 towodo just that deciding whether a design is the right one, is ideally answered independent of who implements it
15:53 blackrim oh, for sure.
15:53 towodo cody being too busy is not a good argument for or against neo4j or postgresql
15:53 towodo the whole thing sounds to me like a straw man, which means a failure to identify the real issues
15:53 blackrim of course not. i don't think that is the argument.
15:55 blackrim really? I have never understood the pros of the approach we have. we have talked about it a few times, but for any number of reasons we move forward
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15:55 towodo it's because you think there is "a model" or "the approach" rather than a set of more or less separable features. it's not monolithic
15:57 towodo once you decide that serialization and deserialization are important - that's the beginning, the hard part, and then there are more less important decisions to make, such as whether to use git or github
15:57 towodo gotta get call set up
15:57 blackrim ok
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15:59 dukeleto towodo: i am available for the call
16:01 towodo blackrim, you want your own hangout invite? or use cody's? there's a limited number is why i assk
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19:17 towodo anyone else having trouble with gmail?
19:20 PEM yes
19:42 PEM gmail seems to be back
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