Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #opentreeoflife, 2014-08-26

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12:12 mtholder hello
12:13 kcranstn hey there!
12:14 mtholder sorry I missed the call. At about 2 in the morning, my (landlord's) router resurrected. So I now have the internet at home. So I should be OK for future calls at noon or 1 eastern.
12:15 kcranstn internet at home is a good thing
12:15 mtholder particularly when you are in a new town and don't have cell phones yet.
12:16 mtholder fortunately, they still had this device called a "phone book"
12:16 kcranstn I vaguely remember phone books
12:16 mtholder there is also a paper form of google maps here.
12:18 kcranstn they had that terrible folding bug
12:19 mtholder yes. much harder than "tar cfz map.tgz"
12:21 kcranstn :)
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21:41 josephwb towodo: who would we retain backward compatibility for? who other than us is using this? (genuine question)
21:42 towodo the api documentation has been advertised to the hackathon participants.  and not sure how much of our code it matters to, but there are things like Mark H’s tests and Lyndon’s scripts
21:43 josephwb ok
21:43 josephwb but the hackathon people are seeing these emails, right?
21:43 towodo flag days are to be avoided whenever possible.  if there’s a really good reason, we can make incompatible changes, but other things being equal much better not to
21:44 towodo is there some good reason not to keep compatibility? I don’t know
21:44 towodo and only for a while, I’d say old versions could go away in a month or two
21:45 josephwb i'm skeptical that they would get any use
21:45 josephwb but i have no experience with such things
21:46 towodo but why ask the question at all?  if compatibility is cheap, why not just do it?  certainly makes the transition a lot easier
21:47 josephwb i don't know how cheap it is
21:48 josephwb cody should weigh in
21:49 josephwb if things get refactored, compatibility may be a pain
21:51 towodo this is just a basic engineering principle. in a system with many components and many developers you don’t break things without good reason.  ‘refactoring’ might be a good reason (although I don’t see why it would be called for here).
21:51 towodo the API has also been advertised on the opentreeoflife blog.
21:52 josephwb i understand what you are saying, but i don't feel like anyone is using things yet
21:52 josephwb can we return a string "function is deprecated"?
21:52 josephwb maybe point them to the new function?
21:53 josephwb again, cody should weigh in here. he has a better sense of these things than me
21:53 josephwb i'm happy to do whatever
21:54 josephwb if compatibility is a priority, so be it
21:54 josephwb i have to run now
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23:31 josephwb hi jimallman
23:31 josephwb i have a newer version of the alt. db
23:31 josephwb if i push it to ot19, does that restart neo4j?
23:31 josephwb or is there another step(s)?
23:37 josephwb is it safe to push now?
23:37 josephwb bash push.sh -c ../../deployed-systems/mls/ot19.config pushdb ../../treemachine/Synthesis/Life_MLS_26August2014.db.tgz
23:37 josephwb oops. meant:
23:37 josephwb bash push.sh -c ../../deployed-systems/mls/ot19.config pushdb ../../treemachine/Synthesis/Life_MLS_26August2014.db.tgz treemachine

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