Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2009-08-23

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07:32 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.43, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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07:32 garu I'm not sure it's on the right place
07:33 garu nor if it's the case
07:33 garu but I think we should mention our license
07:33 garu (somewhere)
07:33 moritz hi, upon request by azawawi this channel is now publicly logged at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today - if anybody objects please /kick ilbot2 and/or tell me ;-)
07:34 szabgab moritz, thanks
07:35 szabgab garu, I am not sure that is correct there
07:35 szabgab we can upload to the server stuff that we won't distribute with Padre
07:36 szabgab on the other hand , maybe it is ok
07:36 szabgab in the end I think we better consult a lawyer
07:36 garu szabgab, yeah, that's what I thought... however, we cannot upload to the server something proprietary
07:36 garu like a monkey island binary :)
07:37 szabgab garu, I asked the dw people and theysay they don't have the 'age' thing there because they don't let children under 13 use their service and because of COPPA
07:37 * garu misses his old ms-dos games
07:37 szabgab garu, yes
07:37 szabgab I am also planning to add a separate page describing the license of Padre itself
07:38 szabgab Every time I look at a project I check its license to make sure it is open source and yet Padre does not have it on its website, yet
07:39 Ryan52 szabgab: ah, that makes sense.
07:39 garu szabgab, good idea
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07:39 garu szabgab, I don't think we need to worry about COPPA --> http://www.coppa.org/comply.htm
07:39 szabgab garu http://geekfeminism.org/2009/08/19/gir​ly-geekdom-for-girls-only/#comment-227
07:40 Ryan52 ya, it only affects online services, I think.
07:40 szabgab reading
07:40 garu not that, just check "personal information"
07:41 garu as long as there is no way one can identify and contact the kid online (via the website, irc is not web), it's not "personal information"
07:44 Ryan52 those COPPA laws are kind of silly anyways.
07:45 garu most US laws are, unfortunately
07:45 Ryan52 they forgot one important detail.. kids know how to lie about their age :)
07:45 garu or perhaps I should s/US// to that statement :)
07:46 garu "Of course you can always comment on your own code that it is crappy as long as it is clear to everyone that you are talking about your own code. "
07:46 Ryan52 :D
07:46 garu so we should s/TODO: Make this code suck less/TODO: Make my code here suck less/
07:46 garu ?
07:47 Ryan52 ya probably
07:47 Ryan52 or s/suck less/better/ :)
07:48 garu naah... that's politically correctly taking all the fun in coding :)
07:49 garu I for one don't bash on other people's code, but I'm really overcritical on my own code
07:49 garu specially when I -know- it sucks
07:50 Ryan52 I think all coders are that way.
07:50 garu exactly
07:50 garu ergo, we all suck :)
07:50 Ryan52 heh :)
07:51 garu it's just a matter of wanting to make the world a better place (or Padre a better IDE), one crappy line of code at a time :)
07:52 garu like szabgab once said, that's the beauty of collaboration... you write a feature stub with crappy code and before you know it it's all improved and shiny
08:03 szabgab garu, I think we should add that to the TODOs in code
08:03 szabgab and probably should also sign it so people know who is saying that
08:04 szabgab TODO: I know it sucks but I added this code in a hurry, please fix it - szabgba
08:04 szabgab with correct spelling of your name
08:04 garu heh
08:05 szabgab just put yourself in the shoes of someone who is not into the hard-core perl community yet who sees the code full of comments "this sucks fix it"
08:06 Ryan52 tough love? :)
08:06 szabgab and then thinks to herself, hmm, so I'll write some code that is not to the liking of this szabgab guy and he will tell me my code sucks
08:06 szabgab and for that matter tell the whole world my code sucks
08:07 szabgab I got such comments from several people and it hurt
08:07 szabgab even though I have some experience in the community
08:08 szabgab the Perl community I mean
08:08 garu we just say she's not good enough --> http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/archive/conferenc​e-video/yapc-eu-2008/you-arent-good-enough/
08:11 Ryan52 who is that?
08:12 szabgab mst
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10:31 Hyppolit svn: r7478 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7478
10:31 Hyppolit Big clean up of code.
10:31 Hyppolit
10:31 Hyppolit * removed VCI references.
10:31 Hyppolit * removed system calls to svn
10:31 Hyppolit * all methods should now use SVN::Class
10:31 Hyppolit * waiting on SVN::Class 0.15 with patch for multiline commits then roll out the lib line.
10:31 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-​waxhead/lib/Padre/Plugin/
11:00 Hyppolit svn: r7479 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7479
11:00 Hyppolit Added "Blame" to the SVN plugin.
11:00 Hyppolit
11:00 Hyppolit Cleaned up some more code.
11:00 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-​waxhead/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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11:15 azawawi hello
11:15 Sewi hi azawawi
11:15 azawawi alright http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today is on :)
11:16 azawawi moritz_++
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13:03 azawawi hello
13:04 azawawi szabgab: could we add http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today to #padre welcome message?
13:05 szabgab to the topic you mean ?
13:05 szabgab you can also do that as you are an OP
13:05 azawawi yeah
13:05 szabgab but I'll do it
13:05 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.43, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and  http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
13:05 azawawi judging that i didnt know its name is a topic :)
13:05 azawawi you can guess the rest lol
13:06 szabgab you just need to say /topic whatever is the new topic
13:06 azawawi nice
13:06 szabgab and it overwrites the previous one
13:07 * azawawi back to Perl 5 quick fixes :)
13:07 azawawi szabgab: i remember you had a list of common Perl 5 errors somewhere....
13:11 azawawi things are a bit hazy with fasting. low on sugar :)
13:14 szabgab on our wiki somewhere
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13:45 Hyppolit svn: r7480 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7480
13:45 Hyppolit [Padre] Refactoring quick fix calls...
13:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
13:47 szabgab azawawi, can't you just sleep over most of the day and work at night?
13:50 Hyppolit svn: r7481 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7481
13:50 Hyppolit [Padre] The story of Perl 5's quick fix begins...
13:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/QuickFixProvider/
13:53 azawawi szabgab: no :)
13:54 azawawi szabgab: beside even if we're low on sugar, there is so much left :)
13:54 azawawi szabgab: and work ends at 15:00 lol
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14:05 Hyppolit svn: r7482 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7482
14:05 Hyppolit add copyright and license to download page and to a separare legal.html page linked from the footer
14:05 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/lib/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
14:06 Hyppolit svn: r7483 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7483
14:06 Hyppolit [Padre] Moved & fixed pod docs
14:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
14:14 Hyppolit svn: r7484 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7484
14:14 Hyppolit [Padre] Fix the quick fix provider
14:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
14:15 Hyppolit svn: r7485 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7485
14:15 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Quick fixes are working again ... i hope :)
14:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/
14:16 Hyppolit svn: r7486 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7486
14:16 Hyppolit [Padre] Perl 5 'use strict; use warning;' quick fix is brewing
14:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/QuickFixProvider/
14:17 Hyppolit svn: r7487 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7487
14:17 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Perl tidy
14:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/
14:21 Hyppolit svn: r7488 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7488
14:21 Hyppolit [Padre] Perl tidy
14:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/QuickFixProvider/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
14:31 Hyppolit svn: r7489 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7489
14:31 Hyppolit [Padre] Perl's 'use strict; use warnings;' is implemented. Not refactored though :)
14:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/QuickFixProvider/
14:34 * azawawi back to sleep :)
14:36 Hyppolit svn: r7490 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7490
14:36 Hyppolit [Padre] Updated Changes
14:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
17:46 Hyppolit svn: r7491 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7491
17:46 Hyppolit [SDL] add exampla dragging butterfly without a tail
17:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SDL/lib/Padre/Plugin/SDL/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SDL/share/examples/
17:49 El_Che szabgab: following ubuntu steps?
17:50 szabgab El_Che, what do you mean ?
17:50 szabgab ah the code of conduct?
17:50 El_Che yes
17:50 szabgab yes and those of DreamWidth
17:50 El_Che making explecit something pretty obvious and yet not always respected
17:52 szabgab the code of conduct I added is especially something that we already fell in the trap several times
17:53 szabgab I hope that the padre developers will agree that we should eliminate such behavior from our community
17:53 El_Che do you forsee negative reactions?
17:55 szabgab maybe questions of clarifications
17:56 szabgab the question of course is how do we make sure we act according to these guidelines?
18:03 El_Che the tricky thing is when to kick people out
18:04 El_Che you'll getting committees, etc
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18:31 rindolf Hi all.
18:32 rindolf szabgab: about http://padre.perlide.org/code_of_conduct.html
18:32 rindolf szabgab: the font is too small and enlarging it (using Ctrl++) results in a horizontal scrollbar.
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19:33 rindolf szabgab: ping.
19:33 Ryan52 okay, the code of conduct is important. good idea szabgab.
19:34 Ryan52 today I saw some lead developers of a project being really rude, and thought to myself "this is exactly why I went MIA on your project".
19:39 El_Che centos?
19:42 Ryan52 El_Che: hm?
19:44 El_Che there is some trouble in centos-land lately, I thought you were pointing to that
19:45 Ryan52 nah, just the debian installer team...nothing big really.
19:55 szabgab rindolf, I think it is the same font size as on the rest of the pages but yeah, they seem to be a bit small
19:56 rindolf szabgab: OK.
19:57 szabgab you did not feel them small on the other pages?
19:58 rindolf szabgab: didn't look.
19:58 rindolf Let me do that.
19:58 rindolf http://padre.perlide.org/ - here it's OK.
19:58 rindolf http://padre.perlide.org/download.html - also her.
19:58 rindolf Oh wait.
19:59 rindolf Firefox may have remembered my Ctrl-+ setting
19:59 rindolf http://padre.perlide.org/download.html - oh yes, it's small.
20:00 rindolf http://padre.perlide.org/support.html - here it is also small.
20:01 szabgab so needs to tinker with the css I guess
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20:24 Hyppolit svn: r7492 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7492
20:24 Hyppolit enlarge font on web site
20:24 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlid​e.org/documentroot/static/
20:25 szabgab rindolf, what about now ?
20:26 rindolf szabgab: let me see.
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20:28 rindolf szabgab: seems a bit better.
20:28 rindolf Or not.
20:28 rindolf http://padre.perlide.org/code_of_conduct.html
20:29 rindolf Oh wait, now the font is larger, but I'm getting a horizontal scrollbar.
20:29 rindolf With the text cut-off.
20:29 rindolf Who created this stylesheet?
20:32 szabgab it is mostly submersible , I just increased the font size by 25%
20:32 szabgab he is in .au so probably no awake now
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23:09 submersible yeah baby - look a diversity stmt and legals
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