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submersible |
garu: I think paul fenwick from perl training au groks tlhingan |
| 01:02 |
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submersible |
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon200[…]edule/detail/8165 |
| 01:02 |
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submersible |
past tense |
| 01:06 |
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garu |
I wish someone recorded that |
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garu |
Alias, you about? |
| 02:40 |
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Alias |
yes |
| 02:40 |
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garu |
there is a problem with PluginManager.pm |
| 02:40 |
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Alias |
what? |
| 02:40 |
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garu |
it's logic is clashing with existing modules |
| 02:41 |
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garu |
the $module name now doesn't have Padre::Plugin |
| 02:41 |
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garu |
so it tries to load Padre::Plugin::Catalyst as my $code = eval "use Catalyst ()" |
| 02:41 |
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garu |
which goes ok |
| 02:42 |
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garu |
(even though it shouldn't) |
| 02:42 |
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garu |
but when it tries $module->isa('Padre::Plugin'), it goes boom |
| 02:42 |
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garu |
same for Padre::Plugin::SDL (turning into "SDL") |
| 02:42 |
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Alias |
The eval should be loading the class |
| 02:42 |
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garu |
and friends |
| 02:42 |
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Alias |
Not the name |
| 02:43 |
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Alias |
I thought I fixed all existing cases |
| 02:43 |
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Alias |
How does it work at all? |
| 02:43 |
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garu |
it doesn't :) |
| 02:43 |
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garu |
at all |
| 02:43 |
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Alias |
Then how am I using plugins right now |
| 02:43 |
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garu |
you're probably using old plugins installed via cpan |
| 02:44 |
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garu |
which for some reason load ok here |
| 02:44 |
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Alias |
Where's the line that causes the problem |
| 02:44 |
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garu |
probably because they get called for their full name, god knows why |
| 02:44 |
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garu |
that's line 489 of PluginManager.pm, sub _load_plugin |
| 02:45 |
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garu |
first issue is: my $code = "use $module ();"; |
| 02:45 |
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garu |
which on a print STDERR after "test a plugin from local dir" says "use Catalyst ()" |
| 02:46 |
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garu |
hmm... think problem might be on "test a plugin from local dir" then |
| 02:46 |
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garu |
makes more sense, explains why everything else is still working |
| 02:46 |
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Alias |
It can't be load_plugins |
| 02:46 |
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Alias |
That prepends Padre::Plugin:: to everything |
| 02:46 |
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Alias |
load_plugin('Catalyst') could cause that problem though |
| 02:47 |
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garu |
exactly |
| 02:47 |
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garu |
it's load_plugin (singular) |
| 02:47 |
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garu |
so it's gotta be on the "Test Plugin from Local Dir" |
| 02:47 |
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Alias |
It can't be reload_plugins either |
| 02:48 |
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Alias |
_load_plugin is never called outside of PluginManager that I can see |
| 02:48 |
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* Alias |
does a wider search |
| 02:48 |
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Alias |
nope |
| 02:48 |
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garu |
test_a_plugin |
| 02:48 |
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Alias |
So it has to be caused by something outside of PluginManager calling ->load_plugin |
| 02:48 |
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garu |
plugin_manager->test_a_plugin |
| 02:49 |
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garu |
it's what "test from local dir" calls |
| 02:49 |
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Alias |
There's a load_plugin in the Acme::Playcode stuff |
| 02:49 |
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garu |
$self->load_plugin($filename); |
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garu |
line 933 |
| 02:50 |
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garu |
inside sub test_a_plugin |
| 02:50 |
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Alias |
File name? |
| 02:50 |
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Alias |
really? |
| 02:50 |
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garu |
pluginmanager |
| 02:50 |
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garu |
yup |
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Alias |
That's problematic |
| 02:51 |
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Alias |
For now, I'd disable that entire feature |
| 02:51 |
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Alias |
in the menu |
| 02:52 |
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Alias |
That implementation is not right, to do it properly probably requires some more ninja'like %INC hacking |
| 02:53 |
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Alias |
->_load_plugin doesn't even allow file names as params any more |
| 02:53 |
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garu |
how is it stored? plugins->{'Padre:Plugin::Something'} ? |
| 02:53 |
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Alias |
yeah |
| 02:53 |
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Alias |
Full class name |
| 02:53 |
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Alias |
I think the old behaviour only worked by accident |
| 02:54 |
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Alias |
It normalised file name to plugin name, then plugin name to class, and just called the first one in the path anyway |
| 02:54 |
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Alias |
oh, hence the @INC hacking |
| 02:54 |
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Alias |
YUCK |
| 02:54 |
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Alias |
OK, yeah |
| 02:54 |
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Alias |
Disable the whole feature |
| 02:54 |
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garu |
ok |
| 02:54 |
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garu |
(re)load current plugin does what? |
| 02:54 |
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Alias |
I'll have to reimplement something better at a future date |
| 02:55 |
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Alias |
reload does an ->_unload + ->_load of all class names |
| 02:55 |
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Alias |
So plugin testing wouldn't have worked with reload anyway |
| 02:55 |
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Alias |
I'll need to add support for file hinting somehow |
| 02:55 |
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garu |
I thought that was 'reload all plugins' |
| 02:55 |
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Alias |
oh, reload current? |
| 02:55 |
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Alias |
hrm |
| 02:55 |
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* Alias |
looks |
| 02:55 |
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garu |
yeah |
| 02:55 |
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garu |
maybe it's broken as well |
| 02:55 |
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Alias |
oh neat |
| 02:56 |
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garu |
if it loads current opened file as a plugin, it's probably broken as well |
| 02:56 |
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Alias |
It reloads the plugin that matches the file path of the currently opened document |
| 02:56 |
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Alias |
Not necesarily |
| 02:56 |
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Alias |
If it just looked for a class who's %INC hash resolved to the same absolute path as the currently opened document, it would work |
| 02:56 |
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garu |
but from @INC, not the actual current file, right? |
| 02:57 |
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Alias |
Implementing the idea of "current" via a search, rather than an assertion/hint |
| 02:57 |
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Alias |
Set(Class::Name) -> Set(Class/Name.pm) -> Set(/full/path/Class/Name.pm) |
| 02:58 |
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Alias |
Then look for Padre::Current->document->filename in that last set |
| 02:58 |
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Alias |
It should work just fine, as long you are editing the system installed version of the plugin :) |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
Or for some cases when using dev.pl with the @INC hooks |
| 02:59 |
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garu |
yeah... so we have to INC-play with that one too |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
dev.pl -a ? |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
Well, it's a dev tool |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
dev.pl -a or something should work just fine |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
But yeah, we'd need to implementing file hints across the entire feature set |
| 02:59 |
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garu |
damn |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
So it would need to be all the way into the actual plugin handle class |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
etc |
| 02:59 |
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Alias |
Probably stored in the database |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
etc |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
Can be done, but will take time I don't have right now |
| 03:00 |
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* garu |
was really hoping it would be a 2 minute fix :) |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
In the mean time, disable the feature |
| 03:00 |
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garu |
both of them? or just that first one? |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
What we can do though, it "Load a custom plugin" with a pure class name |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
Just the first one |
| 03:01 |
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garu |
ok |
| 03:01 |
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Alias |
The plugin system won't (yet) remember to load it next time, but that's not THAT hard to add |
| 03:04 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7603 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7603 |
| 03:04 |
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Hyppolit |
temporarily removed 'Test Plugin From Local Dir' menu option, until we can fix it properly (volunteers?) |
| 03:04 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
| 03:04 |
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garu |
there :) |
| 03:04 |
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garu |
Alias, thanks for the input :) |
| 03:05 |
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Alias |
n/p |
| 03:09 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7604 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7604 |
| 03:09 |
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Hyppolit |
small typo fix |
| 03:09 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7605 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7605 |
| 03:27 |
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Hyppolit |
there. working :) |
| 03:27 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-SDL/share/examples/ |
| 03:28 |
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* Alias |
notes http://uservoice.com/for/opensource |
| 03:28 |
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Alias |
I think it might be time that we had this kind of feedback/voting forum |
| 03:29 |
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kentnl |
weird. perl compiled without debug makes debug easier ... |
| 03:29 |
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kentnl |
Signal SEGV at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.1/Padre/Task/SyntaxChecker.pm line 120 |
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kentnl |
my free from pool problem is however gone, it appears -DDEBUGGING can introduce bugs .. |
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kentnl |
http://dpaste.com/85927/ # Devel::CallTrace output before the segv |
| 04:55 |
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szabgab |
gm |
| 04:55 |
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szabgab |
garu, how are we on Viagra? |
| 04:56 |
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* szabgab |
checking, no Viagra spam on our trac yet |
| 04:56 |
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garu |
morning |
| 04:56 |
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garu |
let me check |
| 04:56 |
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garu |
oh, you checked |
| 04:56 |
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garu |
great! |
| 04:56 |
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szabgab |
that's encouraging |
| 04:57 |
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* Alias |
was a little confused by "how are we on Viagra" for a moment there |
| 05:02 |
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garu |
Alias, yeah, I'm happy he replied to himself quickly enough |
| 05:05 |
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szabgab |
sorry for that, bad joke |
| 05:07 |
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garu |
I'm glad because I was already preparing a quick comeback at it :) |
| 05:07 |
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* garu |
gets sarcastic when he's sleepy, don't mind me |
| 05:13 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7606 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7606 |
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Hyppolit |
free AND open source! |
| 05:13 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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Sewi |
Good morning |
| 05:15 |
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garu |
it's funny to live in the past |
| 05:15 |
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garu |
everyone's waking up just when I'm about to sleep |
| 05:17 |
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garu |
sun still cruising the atlantic |
| 05:19 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7607 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7607 |
| 05:19 |
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Hyppolit |
link to the Dreamwidth promo |
| 05:19 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ |
| 05:20 |
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szabgab |
interesting we are quite low in fixes and translations on the release branch |
| 05:22 |
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garu |
well, we're quite low on those on trunk as well |
| 05:23 |
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garu |
though, that last bug Alias and I found should be "fixed" on the branch as well, let me do it |
| 05:23 |
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garu |
there's another bug I found, btw |
| 05:24 |
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garu |
szabgab, you on linux now, mate? |
| 05:24 |
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szabgab |
Alias, I am trying to understand this Uservoice thing, have you used it? Anyone here used it? |
| 05:24 |
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szabgab |
garu, yes |
| 05:25 |
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garu |
szabgab, open azawawi's Ecliptic.pm, please... Padre not only issues a command line warning about converting CRLF, but it also marks the file as edited! |
| 05:25 |
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szabgab |
I know |
| 05:25 |
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garu |
ah |
| 05:25 |
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garu |
ok then :) |
| 05:25 |
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szabgab |
it has been like that for 8 month or so |
| 05:26 |
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szabgab |
I implemented it and regret it ever since, but no once complained about it yet :-) |
| 05:26 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7608 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7608 |
| 05:26 |
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Hyppolit |
Merge cleanup... |
| 05:26 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/ |
| 05:29 |
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garu |
szabgab, seriously? guess everytime I opened Alias's, CSJewell's or azawawi's files, I edit them so can't notice |
| 05:29 |
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garu |
haven't seen the command line warning before, though |
| 05:30 |
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szabgab |
yeah, srsly |
| 05:30 |
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garu |
how do we fix it? this is wrong... |
| 05:30 |
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garu |
I... guess :) |
| 05:31 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7609 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7609 |
| 05:31 |
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Hyppolit |
disabling 'Test a Plugin From Local Dir' as it doesn't work anymore |
| 05:31 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-0.45/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
| 05:33 |
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Alias |
szabgab: I've never used it, but I've used things like it |
| 05:33 |
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Alias |
Basically people can ask for features |
| 05:33 |
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Alias |
Then other people can "vote" for those features |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7610 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7610 |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
updated Changes file |
| 05:33 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-0.45/ |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
So it's a bit like the bug/feature tracker, except it tracks popularity |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
So we know which are the most important bugs ,and the most popular improvements |
| 05:34 |
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Alias |
If that's what it actually is |
| 05:35 |
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garu |
"I want this" for Padre |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
garu: I've been seeing that warnings too |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
I've been accidentally committing files with the wrong line endings because of it |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
right |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
szabgab: It also gives a way for people to be community-oriented without having to even do bug reports or anything |
| 05:37 |
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Alias |
Just point at things they want |
| 05:40 |
|
Alias |
http://initech.uservoice.com/pages/1155-initech |
| 05:40 |
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Alias |
Demo there |
| 05:41 |
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garu |
if it's autodetect, shouldn't it be transparent to us? |
| 05:41 |
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garu |
maybe this became an issue when we added the option to force lineending for all files, no? |
| 05:42 |
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Alias |
You do what now? |
| 05:42 |
|
Alias |
Well, yes |
| 05:42 |
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garu |
:) |
| 05:42 |
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Alias |
It should be two different features |
| 05:42 |
|
Alias |
1. Newline format for new files |
| 05:43 |
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garu |
well, not necessarily |
| 05:43 |
|
Alias |
2. Behaviour when loading files (Keep, Force to ( Local, Win32, Unix, Max ) ) |
| 05:43 |
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garu |
I mean |
| 05:43 |
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garu |
ah, right |
| 05:43 |
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garu |
yeah |
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azawawi |
good morning |
| 05:44 |
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Alias |
With a possible project-level override |
| 05:44 |
|
Alias |
(For the new lines part) |
| 05:44 |
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garu |
this way, if set to "force to", it would make sense to mark it as changed when opened |
| 05:48 |
|
Alias |
Actually, it's three |
| 05:48 |
|
Alias |
Keep, Force, Ask |
| 05:48 |
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Alias |
Ultraedit does this stuff really well |
| 05:49 |
|
Alias |
They have three settings |
| 05:49 |
|
Alias |
1. RadioGroup "Default file type for new files" ( DOS | UNIX | MAC ) |
| 05:49 |
|
Alias |
2. RadioGroup "UNIX/MAC file detection/conversion" ( Disable | Detect type and prompt to change | Automatically convert to DOS format ) |
| 05:50 |
|
Alias |
3. Checkbox "Save file as input format (UNIX/MAC/DOS)" |
| 05:50 |
|
Alias |
(This is a windows-only program of course, we'd need to do it a bit different) |
| 05:50 |
|
* szabgab |
was distracted , backlogging |
| 05:51 |
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Alias |
Dunno why the "Save file as" is necesarily separate |
| 05:52 |
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szabgab |
I think I even had a TODO comment in the code regarding this "feature" |
| 05:55 |
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garu |
maybe it'd be cool to have a button on the toolbar showing a window, a penguin or an apple, one that switched icons when clicked at, and it would quickly set the default line-ending when opened file was saved... this would of course be kept per-document |
| 05:56 |
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garu |
maybe I'm just babbling... looked neat in my head though :) |
| 05:56 |
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Alias |
It always does |
| 05:56 |
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Alias |
I prefer the O(0) approach |
| 05:57 |
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Alias |
The editor should be so good at getting it right without you having to tell it anything, that the need for the user interface shortcut becomes moot |
| 05:57 |
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garu |
yeah, it should |
| 05:57 |
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Alias |
At the very least, "Save as original format" should be the default |
| 05:58 |
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garu |
definitely |
| 05:58 |
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Alias |
With an "Ask" option for dealing with mixed newlines |
| 05:58 |
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Alias |
(But we can do that bit later) |
| 05:59 |
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* Alias |
REALLY needs to finish his current round of Find/Replace dialog stuff so he can move his mind on to something else |
| 06:00 |
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garu |
either way, on special cases one could just do Edit->convert EOL. and the file type is already shown on the bottom right panel (though as text, not as pretty icons) |
| 06:00 |
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Alias |
yes |
| 06:00 |
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garu |
so yeah, O(0) keeps looking better and better |
| 06:01 |
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garu |
(except it's O(0) only from a user interaction perspective) |
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szabgab |
hmm, I think I just understood the release approach garu suggested a week ago or so :-) |
| 06:02 |
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szabgab |
or branching approach |
| 06:03 |
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szabgab |
I thought everyone should be aware of the 0.45 branch and do the stuff there and then merge it back to trunk |
| 06:04 |
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szabgab |
the other approach would be that everyone keeps working on trunk and the release manager merges certain changes from trunk to the branch, cherry picking the development since branching |
| 06:04 |
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garu |
yup |
| 06:05 |
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garu |
otherwise merging the trunk from the branch everytime would be a pain |
| 06:05 |
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szabgab |
I did not think that to be a good one back then but maybe the latter is better |
| 06:06 |
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garu |
well, neither are brilliant approaches |
| 06:07 |
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garu |
not by a long shot |
| 06:07 |
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garu |
in the utopic world commiters would duplicate their changes themselves on both trees |
| 06:08 |
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garu |
at least this gives the release monkey room to do the cherry picking |
| 06:08 |
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garu |
assuming he/she gets word of it |
| 06:08 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 06:09 |
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szabgab |
its a question of communication as well |
| 06:09 |
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garu |
azawawi, any stability fixes you care to mention? :) |
| 06:10 |
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garu |
yes it is |
| 06:10 |
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szabgab |
on the long run it might be better to explain the details of branching to everyone, in a way we might need to slow down our franzy of commits |
| 06:11 |
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* Alias |
would be quite happy to stay in frenzy until the end of the year |
| 06:11 |
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azawawi |
garu: im really sleepy :) |
| 06:11 |
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garu |
azawawi, heheh... me too! |
| 06:11 |
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azawawi |
garu: even though it is morning lol |
| 06:11 |
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garu |
well, it's 3am here |
| 06:12 |
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garu |
Alias, agreed. The frenzy is still low traffic enough to be manageable - specially in weekly releases |
| 06:12 |
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garu |
and specially since this procedure is just once a month for the msi |
| 06:13 |
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Alias |
At some point around then, we should reach what everyone considers the minimum feature set for Padre to be taken seriously as a real editor |
| 06:13 |
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Alias |
At when we tick off all those boxes, we release 1.0 and switch to more controlled development |
| 06:13 |
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szabgab |
have you seen the list of features mentioned on stackoverflow? |
| 06:14 |
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szabgab |
There are basically 2-3 features that are missing, the biggest one is the debugger |
| 06:16 |
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Alias |
sure |
| 06:16 |
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Alias |
But I like the idea of voting |
| 06:17 |
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Alias |
Stuff emerges in a more clear fashion, you get prioritisation |
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Alias |
The voting website thing looks pretty much like what we need |
| 06:41 |
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szabgab |
and do you think we need to integrate it with trac or make it stand alone? |
| 06:42 |
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szabgab |
there might be a plugin for trac for voting but that voting website can also serve as a promotion tool |
| 06:51 |
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Alias |
I _hate_ trac |
| 06:51 |
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Alias |
It's ugly and crude and written in Python |
| 06:51 |
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Alias |
I'm quite happy to just use the standalone website |
| 06:52 |
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Alias |
I assume it must be REALLY easy to install, because that's the only thing I can think of that makes it popular |
| 07:02 |
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szabgab |
I think it looks nice |
| 07:03 |
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szabgab |
but I get your point, that's why we need to make Padre easy to install on all platforms |
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Alias |
Well, my main point was I hate trac :) |
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szbalint |
why? :) |
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* szbalint |
reads above |
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Alias |
1. It's ugly |
| 07:57 |
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Alias |
2. It gives you all this shit you probably don't use |
| 07:58 |
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Alias |
projects, milestones, features, timeline, roadmpa |
| 07:58 |
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Alias |
Our roadmap page says "We don't yet use the Roadmap feature of Trac. " |
| 07:58 |
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Alias |
Then why the fuck is it even there? |
| 07:59 |
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Alias |
our projects page is useless |
| 07:59 |
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Alias |
It's sort of like half a website, but not |
| 07:59 |
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Alias |
Since we have to make screenshots a page embedded down in our wiki |
| 07:59 |
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Alias |
So it's trying to be a website, and failing |
| 07:59 |
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Alias |
And it doesn't seem to let you shut most of it except the bits you need off |
| 08:00 |
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szbalint |
I kind of like it, but see room for improvement |
| 08:00 |
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szbalint |
since noone has written something like it in Perl... |
| 08:00 |
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szbalint |
RT is a fucking failure for tickets compared to it |
| 08:00 |
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Alias |
Like what? |
| 08:00 |
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Alias |
Like a wiki? or a ticket tracker? |
| 08:00 |
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Alias |
Or bugzilla? |
| 08:01 |
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szbalint |
a proper ticket tracker with no frills |
| 08:01 |
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pece |
bugzilla is cool |
| 08:01 |
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szbalint |
that also supports some small wiki, feed support |
| 08:02 |
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szbalint |
don't get me wrong I cringe at python, but it works... |
| 08:03 |
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szbalint |
oh and svn browser |
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Alias |
svn browser? |
| 08:04 |
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Alias |
you mean... like the svn server? |
| 08:04 |
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Alias |
http://svn.ali.as/cpan/trunk/ |
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Alias |
Or, say, the svn monitor? |
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Alias |
http://fisheye2.atlassian.com/changelog/padre/ |
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Alias |
If trac let you swap out or disable bits of itself, it might not suck so hard |
| 08:07 |
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szbalint |
yeah, but the point is it is kind of integrated for these tasks |
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szbalint |
there is one place you can go to for your ticketing/wiki/svn/feed needs |
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szbalint |
surely someone who runs windows can appreciate tight integration =) |
| 08:09 |
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Alias |
Not really |
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Alias |
Not when tight integration means lock-in |
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Alias |
Which it very often does |
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szbalint |
indeed |
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need_pip |
hello there :) |
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Alias |
hi |
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need_pip |
<-- padre newbie, trying to install plugins. failing with 'pip is unexpectedly not installed'. just built it from svn. |
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need_pip |
any pointers greatly appreciated! |
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Alias |
oopsi |
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Alias |
Are you on unix? |
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need_pip |
yesch |
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need_pip |
well, ubuntu. |
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Alias |
ah |
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Alias |
Congrats, you just reported your first bug :) |
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need_pip |
w00h00! |
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Alias |
Welcome to the Padre community, and thank you :) |
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need_pip |
*dance* |
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Alias |
gimme a sec |
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Alias |
Doest thou have a Real Name? |
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need_pip |
the error comes with the install options: local / url |
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need_pip |
sure, i am John. |
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Alias |
yup, I know where it's gunna be, I merged in the code |
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need_pip |
Padre crashes here with CPAN install option. |
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need_pip |
(bug #2) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7611 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7611 |
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Hyppolit |
Added missing pip dependency, reported by "John". Just "John", like "Madonna" |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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Alias |
On the command line, run > cpan pip |
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szabgab |
Alias, is bad in svn comments |
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Alias |
hrm? |
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Alias |
What is bad in comments? |
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szabgab |
Alias is bad in comments |
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Alias |
ah |
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need_pip |
lol @ Hyppolit |
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Alias |
I merged in code form a plugin, and forgot to merge in the dependency |
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Alias |
Actually, I'm surprised nobody else noticed |
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need_pip |
i noticed. |
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need_pip |
:P |
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szabgab |
need_pip, could you open a ticket on our trac with the second bug you found ? I take the fist one was solved already |
| 08:55 |
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Alias |
second bug? |
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Alias |
oh, the cpan one |
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need_pip |
i'll try to replicate it now the pip one is resolved |
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need_pip |
yes, still goes boom. |
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Alias |
Any information on how? |
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need_pip |
plugins->tools->install CPAN module->doubleclick module->boom |
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Alias |
anything on the command line? |
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Alias |
And does a pip-based install work? |
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need_pip |
i'll run it from cli, sec |
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need_pip |
not really, except from cpan output |
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Alias |
ok |
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Alias |
thanks |
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need_pip |
http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/501 |
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szabgab |
need_pip, thanks! |
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need_pip |
very welcome, and thanks for creating Padre. i'll go perling now :) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7612 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7612 |
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Hyppolit |
[Perl-Dist-Padre] Added 'cpan parent' if you wanted to use the svn option |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7613 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7613 |
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Hyppolit |
[Perl-Dist-Padre] More improvements to BUILDING.txt |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/ |
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azawawi |
hello |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7614 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7614 |
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Hyppolit |
[Perl::Dist::Padre] Fixed the mysterious "Failed to create Perl::Dist::Padre at C:\bootperl\perl\bin/perldist line 95." bug |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/ |
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azawawi |
Alias: building "Almost Six" strawberry in progress :) |
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azawawi |
Alias: took me 2 days but it is worth it... Alias++, CSJewell++ |
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Alias |
2 days to learn HOW to build it? |
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azawawi |
the instructions were alpha and it was failing... |
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* azawawi |
"installing perl" now |
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azawawi |
not complete 2 days ofcourse :) |
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azawawi |
what does "Building MSCHWERN/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.54.tar.gz..." actually do? |
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azawawi |
i do not see any network activity... |
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Alias |
ah |
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Alias |
Did you fix the instructions? |
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azawawi |
yeah |
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Alias |
I assume it's building it from a local cache or a minicpan |
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azawawi |
not from minicpan... |
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Alias |
There's lots of caching of different sorts in the toolchain stuff |
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Alias |
in the Perl::Dist stuff rather |
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azawawi |
Could the building step build 2 jobs at a time to utilize multi-core? |
| 10:13 |
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Alias |
Not really |
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Alias |
Some parts will use them |
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Alias |
The make stuff will, and parts of the some test suites do |
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Alias |
But most of it is order-dependant |
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Alias |
And most of the parts that aren't are IO-constrained |
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Alias |
And you can't build two strawberries at once, because they usually share install directories |
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Alias |
It's annoyingly long, yes |
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Alias |
But I don't think we'd really see significant improvements for the level of complexity it would add |
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azawawi |
Completed install_perl in 1832 seconds |
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azawawi |
so most of it is network-constrained as i can see on my 30KB/sec corporate connection... |
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Alias |
It should be less so the next time |
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Alias |
Except for the CPAN phase |
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Alias |
And CSJewell now uses a minicpan for that step |
| 10:18 |
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Alias |
Because otherwise people uploading while he is building can cause the 7 different strawberry variants to build with different modules :) |
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azawawi |
so building off minicpan is the most sensible thing to do after all... damn laziness... :) |
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azawawi |
does it resume if interrupted? |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7615 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7615 |
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Hyppolit |
[Perl::Dist::Padre] More fixes to BUILDING.txt for using minicpan |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/ |
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Sewi |
Hi everyone |
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daxim |
'lo nase. |
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azawawi |
hello |
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azawawi |
CSJewell2: hi |
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CSJewell2 |
Hello. |
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azawawi |
i succeeded in building until JSON::XS croaked :) |
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* azawawi |
back to minicpan |
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teejay |
is there a padre/wx demo of displaying an image? |
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azawawi |
display an image on what? |
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CSJewell2 |
You'll have to alter Strawberry.pm - JSON::XS added a requirement since July. |
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CSJewell2 |
Add common::sense before it. |
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CSJewell2 |
If you're using a minicpan, you'll also have to add that to the share/minicpan_filters.txt file. |
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azawawi |
alter Perl::Dist::Strawberry right? |
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CSJewell2 |
Yes. |
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CSJewell2 |
One line alteration. |
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CSJewell2 |
(or should I say addition.) |
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azawawi |
so after installing it from cpan, i have to change it in bootperl, right? since i do not have access to fix it... (i.e. commit) |
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CSJewell2 |
Yes, you do. |
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CSJewell2 |
[It should already be committed in trunk, anyway. I ran into it when doing the final 5.10.1 release. It's just that the last version of Strawberry on is what I used to do the July 2009 releases.] |
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CSJewell2 |
on CPAN, I mean, and svn is just a little unstable at the moment, so I couldn't recommend you use that. |
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azawawi |
svn co http://svn.ali.as/cpan/trunk/P[…]-Dist-Strawberry/ |
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CSJewell2 |
nononono.... |
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azawawi |
i do have an account on svn.ali.as |
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azawawi |
patch the one installed in bootperl? |
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CSJewell2 |
Yes. |
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azawawi |
wget http://svn.ali.as/cpan/trunk/P[…]ist/Strawberry.pm , ok cool |
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azawawi |
how big is minicpan directory once done? |
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Alias |
should be a gig or a bit less |
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Alias |
thereabouts |
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CSJewell2 |
I specifically provide instructions for a heavily filtered minicpan - more like 60MB. |
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azawawi |
CSJewell2: do u release Perl-Dist-Strawberry once per strawberry release? |
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CSJewell2 |
Yes, I do. |
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CSJewell2 |
So sometimes things can creep in between the releases like this. |
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azawawi |
any eta on the 5.10.1 release? |
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CSJewell2 |
For Strawberry? |
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azawawi |
yeah |
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CSJewell2 |
There's a beta on the site now, non-beta status will happen in October. |
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CSJewell2 |
(Beta test distributions are at http://strawberryperl.com/beta/ ) |
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* azawawi |
pulling minicpan now... |
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CSJewell2 |
azawawi: For future reference, %TEMP%/perldist/output contains the output of the last command that has been run. (whenever a perl, dmake, or Build.bat command is run, the output in is debug.out and debug.err files in that directory.) |
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CSJewell2 |
That way, you know WHY something is failing. |
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Alias |
Utterly indispensable too |
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Alias |
Best feature I ever added |
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Alias |
Even if it's crude as hell |
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CSJewell2 |
I certainly agree with that - if it hadn't been there, I would have had to add it. |
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CSJewell2 |
You're up late, Alias. I thought that was my job! |
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Alias |
It's not THAT late |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7616 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7616 |
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Hyppolit |
[Perl::Dist::Padre] Added a troubleshooting section to BUILDING.txt, CSJewell++ |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/ |
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Alias |
11:30pm |
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azawawi |
4:28pm here |
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CSJewell2 |
7:30am here. :) |
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Sewi |
3:29pm here |
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szabgab |
teejay, try the 4* examples in share/examples/wx/ |
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szabgab |
I don't know if that's what you meant |
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teejay |
szabgab, seen them - not really |
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teejay |
they're "drawing on canvas" |
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teejay |
rather than "display an image" |
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szabgab |
where would you like to display an image? |
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azawawi |
wDC::DrawBitmap maybe... |
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teejay |
not very fussy |
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teejay |
basically it would be for an autodia plugin, so you could go "give me a UML diagram of this class, project, namespace, etc" and have a nice graphviz rendered chart |
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azawawi |
teejay: http://docs.wxwidgets.org/stab[…]wx_wxdc.html#wxdc |
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szabgab |
afaik in wx everything is a canvas, so to speak |
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szabgab |
but I am not sure yet |
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teejay |
hmm |
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teejay |
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=112816 |
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teejay |
hmm |
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teejay |
that reminds me I need to make autodia handle xs |
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teejay |
because wxperl doesn't document much at all |
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szabgab |
teejay, does that do what you wanted? |
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teejay |
dunno |
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teejay |
looks like it might |
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teejay |
modulo WxImage being entirely undocumented |
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teejay |
at least in perl |
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szabgab |
if you have a simple example script it would be nice if you could add it to our growing set of examples |
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teejay |
I'll try and give it a go when I get some free time |
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Alias |
teejay: The way this works is that wxPerl is undocumented directly, but you can read the main Wx docs and it should be accurate |
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Alias |
teejay: And where it isn't, there usually "wxPerl" notes in the main docs |
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teejay |
Alias, I've read that |
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teejay |
there are massive gaps and holes |
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Alias |
I agree |
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teejay |
usually you have to read the wxpython |
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teejay |
then try and guess how it would be mapped in perl |
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Alias |
God only knows how much time it would take to doc the entire of wxPerl though |
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teejay |
for all intents and purposes it's undocumented |
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Alias |
Well, I've had no big deal with the main C docs |
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teejay |
if you can map them mentally how xs would that's fine |
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teejay |
but most people, myself included, can't do xs translations of C to perl API in our heads ;p |
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teejay |
It's only marginally better than GTKPerl |
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teejay |
and I could only use that because I'd already done it in C and had a book on it |
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teejay |
that covered some of the gaps/crappyness of the C docs |
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teejay |
This is why I need to add xs handling to autodia |
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teejay |
then I can generate most of the pod |
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teejay |
even if it only provides javadoc style docs |
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teejay |
which is most of what wxpython docs do |
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teejay |
it's a huge barrier to the casual contributor |
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teejay |
at least IME as a casual contributor |
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Alias |
Most of the APIs generally take other objects as arguments |
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Alias |
And generally those translate easily |
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Alias |
The rest, I'm afraid I do by exploration using the "Run in Padre" developer plugin thing |
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szabgab |
AFAIK there is a TPF fund request for wxPerl documentation |
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azawawi |
i started a while ago indexing wxwidgets html docs for Padre's help search... then i stopped. |
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azawawi |
could be more useful if i had some C++-to-perl method signatures |
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rindolf |
szabgab: I fixed the problematic pages on the Padre site. |
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rindolf |
szabgab: the CSS doesn't validate now, because it contains some extensions. |
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teejay |
I can generate pod for perl |
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rindolf |
At least not according to the W3C CSS validator. |
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teejay |
I'd really like to be able to generate pod for XS stuff |
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azawawi |
like? |
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teejay |
wonder if I could get a TPF grant for that |
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teejay |
probably not cool enough |
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rindolf |
teejay: you can havea POD in a separate .pm file. |
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teejay |
er.. yes |
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teejay |
that's not the hard bit |
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szabgab |
rindolf, thanks |
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rindolf |
szabgab: yw. |
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teejay |
getting the names, arguments, etc of methods etc is the tricky bit |
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teejay |
although it *should* be really simple given some knowledge of xs/swig |
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Sewi |
Ping (someone using Padre on Windows) |
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rindolf |
Sewi: azawawi I think. |
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rindolf |
And Alias |
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azawawi |
yup vista and xp... |
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Sewi |
If you've a minute... would you try the following, please? Klick on "Open file" (toolbar or menu, doesn't matter) and type "*.txt" (or any other extension you have in the selected dir) in the filename line. You may change the directory before, if you want. |
| 14:31 |
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Sewi |
On Linux, a empty file named "*.txt" is created, the same on windows? |
| 14:31 |
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Sewi |
(If so, be careful not to remove all your text files when removing the new file!) |
| 14:32 |
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Alias |
On windows, it filters by exception |
| 14:32 |
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Alias |
er, filters by extension |
| 14:33 |
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Sewi |
Ok, so this is a linux only problem. I'll face it as soon as I find some time to do so... |
| 14:33 |
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Sewi |
thx |
| 14:34 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7617 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7617 |
| 14:34 |
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Hyppolit |
[Perl::Dist::Padre] improve the steps to using minicpan in BUILDING.txt |
| 14:34 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/ |
| 14:37 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7618 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7618 |
| 14:37 |
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Hyppolit |
[Perl::Dist::Padre] Fixed a typo |
| 14:37 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/ |
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rindolf |
Sewi: I can confirm. |
| 14:48 |
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szabgab |
I want to have an N900 now! |
| 14:49 |
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azawawi |
why? :) |
| 14:50 |
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szabgab |
so I can run perl on my phone? |
| 14:51 |
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azawawi |
symbian? |
| 14:51 |
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szabgab |
Linux |
| 14:51 |
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Alias |
It's in all Google Android phones from next year |
| 14:51 |
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azawawi |
what flavor of Linux are on N900? |
| 14:52 |
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azawawi |
is that supposed to be what they called booklet (aka netbook...) |
| 14:52 |
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szabgab |
it is Debian based called maemo 5 |
| 14:52 |
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Alias |
URL? |
| 14:53 |
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szabgab |
http://www.google.com/search?h[…]rch&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
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szabgab |
http://marnanel.dreamwidth.org/24385.html |
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azawawi |
szabgab: I am following your six package content to generate one of my own... |
| 14:53 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: do u have a script to generate it? |
| 14:53 |
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Alias |
oh dear |
| 14:54 |
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szabgab |
azawawi, no |
| 14:54 |
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Alias |
That phone reminds me of those enormous old communicators |
| 14:54 |
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Alias |
They were 9-series too |
| 14:54 |
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azawawi |
phones are supposed to be slim and small :) |
| 14:54 |
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azawawi |
and stable :) |
| 14:58 |
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azawawi |
when are we going to release the next "Almost Six"? I am thinking of creating a cpan package for rakudo binary to make upgrading easier... |
| 14:59 |
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Alias |
It's 2cm thick! |
| 14:59 |
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Alias |
azawawi: The six package sits at C:\strawberry\six |
| 15:00 |
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Alias |
So it would be damned tricky to install, since it sits outside of the normal install paths |
| 15:02 |
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Alias |
It's a damned big phone, but it's a VERY small linux box |
| 15:08 |
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azawawi |
i consider netbooks to be the ideal linux boxes... |
| 15:09 |
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azawawi |
nokia is going to enter that market with something called a booklet... |
| 15:10 |
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Alias |
http://maemo.nokia.com/ |
| 15:10 |
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Alias |
Sexiest Linux promotion video ever |
| 15:10 |
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szbalint |
I'm going to get one |
| 15:10 |
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szbalint |
:) |
| 15:12 |
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Alias |
I think I'll wait for reviews first |
| 15:12 |
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Alias |
That screen looks a bit dinky |
| 15:12 |
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Alias |
(Compared to iPhone) |
| 15:17 |
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Alias |
Id does have a gig of ram though |
| 15:17 |
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Alias |
Which means it actually will handle Perl :) |
| 15:19 |
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azawawi |
another release of M:B 0.35 is on the way... i saw it in minicpan |
| 15:19 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7619 | daxim++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7619 |
| 15:19 |
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Hyppolit |
modernise Build system, add tests |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
* Tests for HTML validity and spelling. |
| 15:19 |
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Hyppolit |
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Alias |
huh? |
| 15:19 |
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Hyppolit |
* Template locations in subdirectories are now (not only a flat directory). |
| 15:19 |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
* Removed the chmod 0644 of the target directory because it interfered. |
| 15:19 |
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Alias |
0.35001? |
| 15:19 |
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Hyppolit |
No idea why it was there in the first place. |
| 15:19 |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
* Added a stub for an install target. |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
* Module deps changed (excluding modules in core): |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
-File::Find::Rule |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
-Pod::Usage::CommandLine |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
+Capture::Tiny |
| 15:20 |
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Alias |
Oh I just love the term "Modernise" |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
+File::Next |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
+File::Which |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
+Path::Class |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/build/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/inc/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/inc/Local/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/inc/Local/Padre/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/inc/Local/Padre/Website/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/t/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
| 15:20 |
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Alias |
It means "I changed it to my favourite..." |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7620 | daxim++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7620 |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
fix spelling |
| 15:20 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/developers/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/translators/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
| 15:20 |
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Sewi |
Alias++ |
| 15:20 |
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daxim |
it means we have tests now, grumpy smurf. |
| 15:20 |
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Alias |
A bit like the way "Best Practices" usually means "My Practices" |
| 15:51 |
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rindolf |
daxim: thanks for your HTML validation help yesterday. |
| 15:51 |
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daxim |
no thanks |
| 15:51 |
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Alias |
Personally, I love that one |
| 15:51 |
|
Alias |
"Dear, this this nice girl at church you should meet" |
| 15:51 |
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Alias |
"Did you meet anyone interesting on your holiday?{" |
| 15:52 |
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daxim |
I wrote tests so mistakes can't happen easily anymore now |
| 15:52 |
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daxim |
by shub-internet, Alias, you make less sense every day |
| 15:58 |
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szabgab |
Alias, what is that quote? |
| 16:14 |
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Alias |
Which quote? |
| 16:14 |
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daxim |
what you pasted some 20 minutes ago. |
| 16:16 |
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Alias |
I pasted three |
| 16:16 |
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Alias |
The last two are the sort of thing my grandmother says |
| 16:16 |
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Alias |
But she's been around the block a time or two |
| 16:17 |
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Alias |
So she speaks with an implicit s/meet/fuck/ |
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Alias |
I think most grandmothers do |
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| 16:17 |
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Su-Shee |
heyho. |
| 16:17 |
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daxim |
'lo |
| 16:18 |
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szabgab |
hi Su-Shee |
| 16:18 |
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szabgab |
I am just off to have dinner but will be back later |
| 16:18 |
|
* Su-Shee |
gets dinner delivered. ;) |
| 16:19 |
|
* daxim |
is an expert food hacker |
| 16:20 |
|
* Su-Shee |
just started a new job, I'm to tired to hack my vegetables myself these days. ;) |
| 16:37 |
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Alias |
szabgab: I have a cunning plan |
| 16:37 |
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Alias |
1. Set up that voting for features website |
| 16:38 |
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Alias |
2. Ask TPF for a special Padre development fund |
| 16:38 |
|
Alias |
3. Allocate extra votes to people that donate |
| 16:39 |
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Alias |
4. Spend money on making Padre/website/etc prettier, and on shippable CDs etc |
| 16:39 |
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Alias |
And if your children are cute, we buy them an acrylic-mounted Padre butterfly and a professional photography session with it :) |
| 16:40 |
|
* Alias |
is watching http://maemo.nokia.com/ and getting jealous of people with promotional talent |
| 16:41 |
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Su-Shee |
Alias: I'm constantly jealous of several ruby sites. ;) |
| 16:41 |
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Alias |
Apple and that link make Ruby look like Amateurs |
| 16:41 |
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* Su-Shee |
clicks as though she knows she'll regret it because of envy. ;) |
| 16:42 |
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Alias |
They both have that kind of elegance and sophistication to it |
| 16:42 |
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Alias |
Shinest ad for a linux ad ever made I think |
| 16:42 |
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Alias |
:) |
| 16:42 |
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* Alias |
wants Strawberry Professional ad similar |
| 16:42 |
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Alias |
sigh |
| 16:42 |
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Alias |
dreams |
| 16:43 |
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Su-Shee |
hm, ok, no I'm not jealous. they avoid really showing the UI |
| 16:43 |
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Alias |
Click the front page video |
| 16:43 |
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Su-Shee |
I did. ;) |
| 16:43 |
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Alias |
And yes, they are being a bit coy |
| 16:44 |
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Alias |
But hey, just like Britany Spear's music |
| 16:44 |
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Alias |
Shallow, but damned high production values |
| 16:45 |
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Alias |
Alas, I shall still probably get sucked into the iPhone monster |
| 16:46 |
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garu |
morning everyone! |
| 16:46 |
|
* garu |
reads backlog |
| 16:46 |
|
Alias |
evening |
| 16:46 |
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Alias |
Well, ok, morning |
| 16:46 |
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Alias |
Technically |
| 16:52 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r7621 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7621 |
| 16:52 |
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Hyppolit |
merged trunk bugfix r7611 to stable branch (bad Alias not double-committing :) |
| 16:52 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-0.45/ |
| 16:53 |
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Alias |
say what now? |
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* Alias |
doesn't pay much attention to branching |
| 16:53 |
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Alias |
(Even at work) :) |
| 16:54 |
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garu |
at least give me a heads up so I can do it for you :) |
| 16:55 |
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Alias |
I thought it was just forked off for language stuff |
| 16:55 |
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Alias |
What exactly do you want double-committed |
| 16:55 |
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garu |
translations -and- bugfixes :) |
| 16:55 |
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Alias |
Define a bug fix :) |
| 16:56 |
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Alias |
But ok, I take your point |
| 16:57 |
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garu |
if people might come here saying 'padre is crashing when I do X' and you fix it, it's a bug fix suited for the branch :) |
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garu |
teejay, did you take a look at Padre/share/examples/wx/41-drag-image.pl? It uses Wx::Image (looking at the svn log it appears szabgab added it last night, so it might have been exactly for that purpose, I'm in "just in case" mode :) |
| 17:03 |
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szabgab |
Alias, any serious issue like a crash should go in the "stabelized" version of Padre |
| 17:03 |
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szabgab |
that is , it should go to the branch as well |
| 17:03 |
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szabgab |
and I hope garu will be able to figure out how to merge back things in the end |
| 17:04 |
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szabgab |
Alias, I don't think 2/3 can be done |
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garu |
szabgab, if everything on the branch is already fixed on trunk, there's no point in merging back |
| 17:04 |
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garu |
(except for translations) |
| 17:05 |
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szabgab |
garu, yes, if you know that for sure, then good for your :-) |
| 17:05 |
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garu |
heh |
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garu |
soon that'll be Ryan52's problem :P |
| 17:06 |
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Ryan52 |
who what o noez? |
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garu |
Sewi, there are some remarks on file filters (*.txt, etc) on different platforms in http://docs.wxwidgets.org/stab[…]html#wxfiledialog. Could this be a wx problem? |
| 17:13 |
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szabgab |
Up to 1GB of application memory (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory) |
| 17:13 |
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Ryan52 |
why do we use pip? |
| 17:13 |
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szabgab |
does that mean 768 Mb swap ? |
| 17:14 |
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Ryan52 |
I ask this because pip isn't packaged in Debian. |
| 17:14 |
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Ryan52 |
tho I really wish it were, so I'm not against this :) |
| 17:14 |
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szabgab |
Ryan52, then it should :-) |
| 17:18 |
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garu |
Ryan52, we use it to install cpan modules and padre plugins, I guess |
| 17:19 |
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szabgab |
is is not really used by padre but there is a menu option to use pip |
| 17:19 |
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Ryan52 |
okie doke. |
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azawawi |
good evening |
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garu |
hi azawawi |
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shadowpaste |
"azawawi" at 212.38.158.13 pasted "Win32API-Registry dying on vista while building strawberry" (20 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/33125 |
| 17:35 |
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azawawi |
damn vista :) |
| 17:41 |
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azawawi |
Alias: is the windows farm up? |
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Sewi |
garu: I guess that Wx on windows uses Microsoft "CommonControls". |
| 18:00 |
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Sewi |
*.txt is handled by them. |
| 18:00 |
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Sewi |
For Linux, either another library or a internal build solution seems to be used, I'ld guess the first. |
| 18:01 |
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Sewi |
It may also be a problem of the combination of Wx and gnome. |
| 18:03 |
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garu |
doesn't happen on kde and others? |
| 18:04 |
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Sewi |
My SuSE (KDE) linux workstation killed it's VGA card and I didn't replace it, so I can't test it with KDE. |
| 18:05 |
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Sewi |
I'm really not experience enough with Wx to integrate a *.txt extension filter, but I'ld catch this case in Padre. |
| 18:06 |
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Sewi |
I think of a message for wildcard matches (* and ? within the filename) and opening other files without creating an empty file (if this is possible). |
| 18:06 |
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* Sewi |
needs to bring the kiddies to bed... |
| 18:09 |
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szabgab |
Alias, I setup http://padre.uservoice.com/ , what now ? |
| 18:10 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: i couldnt build strawberry on vista... damn Win32API::Registry... it fails on build :( |
| 18:10 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 18:15 |
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azawawi |
& |
| 18:17 |
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szabgab |
Su-Shee, so how are you? |
| 18:20 |
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Su-Shee |
szabgab: small in the face of 8000 lines of one perl module which I have to understand. ;) perl projects _can_ really grow. ;) |
| 18:21 |
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szabgab |
yeah it can really get out of hand |
| 18:22 |
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Su-Shee |
it's my first project in this league. 700.000 lines of perl. |
| 18:23 |
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szabgab |
yeah a few years ago I dealt witha project with 4,000,000 lines of perl |
| 18:23 |
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szabgab |
it was lots of copy-paste and noone knew anything about the code |
| 18:24 |
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szabgab |
I found areas where a call to an extranal 20 lines long script could be replaces by a single regex |
| 18:25 |
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Su-Shee |
szabgab: yeah, I found a goto :) |
| 18:25 |
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Su-Shee |
szabgab: the perl in itself isn't bad though - just old and very grown. |
| 18:25 |
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szabgab |
actually goto in perl can sometimes be useful but it is still horrible |
| 18:26 |
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szabgab |
you know for skipping a level in the stack |
| 18:26 |
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szabgab |
though I think I never used it |
| 18:27 |
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garu |
Sewi, is there a ticket for this? |
| 18:27 |
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Su-Shee |
szabgab: I've never used it once or needed it. |
| 18:29 |
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rindolf |
Hi Su-Shee |
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Sewi |
garu: No, I'll fix it myself. Should be done during the weekend. |
| 18:35 |
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Sewi |
(If noone is faster :) ) |
| 18:36 |
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Sewi |
garu: There is another annoying thing... http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/479 |
| 18:36 |
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Sewi |
If you want to fix something :-) |
| 18:39 |
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Sewi |
garu, alias: The *.txt IS (at least) a gnome problem. The ubuntu default texteditor does the same. |
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qp_pq |
how do I get the selected item off of a Wx::ListCtrl ? |
| 19:36 |
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qp_pq |
->GetSelection doesn't exist |
| 19:36 |
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qp_pq |
using Wx over here |
| 19:37 |
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Sewi |
qp_pq: Look at the preferences dialog, there should be a ListCtrl (afair) |
| 19:37 |
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szabgab |
qp_pq, I don't remember but have you grepped the Padre source code for that ? |
| 19:37 |
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szabgab |
or the Wx::Demo source code? |
| 19:41 |
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qp_pq |
the Wx::Demo code yes |
| 19:41 |
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qp_pq |
Padre's source code no |
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|
* qp_pq |
grepping the Padre ... now in FunctionList.pm |
| 19:44 |
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qp_pq |
hmm .. no trace |
| 19:45 |
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szabgab |
then pick the place where you have an example :) |
| 19:47 |
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qp_pq |
the problem is that it should have a getselection method |
| 19:47 |
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qp_pq |
but it doesn't |
| 19:47 |
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qp_pq |
the only thing it does have is an event handler for selection |
| 19:47 |
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qp_pq |
which is not bad but...still.. |
| 19:48 |
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szabgab |
have you checked the documentation ? |
| 19:48 |
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qp_pq |
there is none that I could find |
| 19:49 |
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qp_pq |
only docs arre for Wx::Perl::ListCtrl which is not what I'm using ( I'm using Wx::ListCtrl ) |
| 19:50 |
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szabgab |
http://docs.wxwidgets.org/2.8.[…]l.html#wxlistctrl |
| 19:53 |
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qp_pq |
szabgab: all of that api is implemented in Perl ? |
| 19:53 |
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qp_pq |
szabgab: for example GetNextItem seems to do what I want |
| 19:53 |
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qp_pq |
totally nonintuitive name... |
| 19:53 |
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szabgab |
I don't know but I guess so |
| 19:54 |
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szabgab |
if not then an rt ticket should be opened for wxPerl |
| 20:00 |
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qp_pq |
szabgab: man I must say I found the answer on wxperl-users mailing list |
| 20:00 |
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qp_pq |
Wx::ListView seems to be another interface to Wx::ListCtrl |
| 20:00 |
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szabgab |
congrats |
| 20:01 |
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qp_pq |
and while Wx::ListCtrl does not put at your disposal methods for the selected item |
| 20:01 |
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qp_pq |
Wx::ListView does |
| 20:01 |
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qp_pq |
but really , this should be methodically documented and it's not , I'm left with a mailing list , some sampel code which is incomplete |
| 20:02 |
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qp_pq |
I will use Wx becuase I started using it and because there is Padre , a big project where I can come and ask some questions about it |
| 20:02 |
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qp_pq |
other alternatives would have been Tk(not very good) , Gtk or Qt |
| 20:02 |
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qp_pq |
but I won't go into those :D |
| 20:03 |
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qp_pq |
szabgab: thanks |
| 20:03 |
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szabgab |
qp_pq, the best you might do now is to write a simple stand-alone example with those modules and add it to the list of our examples |
| 20:03 |
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szabgab |
in share/examples/wx |
| 20:04 |
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qp_pq |
share/examples/wx is located where ? |
| 20:04 |
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szabgab |
in trunk/Padre |
| 20:04 |
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szabgab |
1 sec |
| 20:04 |
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qp_pq |
actually I'm writing a new distribution for cpan called Backup::Email |
| 20:04 |
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qp_pq |
which has Backup::Email::GUI |
| 20:05 |
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qp_pq |
it's an application for backing up your configurattion files to your email :D |
| 20:05 |
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szabgab |
http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/Padre/ |
| 20:05 |
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szabgab |
there are the examples |
| 20:05 |
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szabgab |
and they also get installed with Padre |
| 20:06 |
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szabgab |
and one day we might wrap it with some more text |
| 20:06 |
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szabgab |
for what os are you writing that application ? |
| 20:06 |
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qp_pq |
I want to write it for both Windows and Linux |
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qp_pq |
Wx is portable from what I know |
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szabgab |
yes |
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qp_pq |
I'm currently writing it on Windows |
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szabgab |
oh good |
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qp_pq |
I'm having some problems finding a module that archives(compresses) a set of files and preserves the directory structure |
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qp_pq |
also I need to find how I can get attachments using Mail::IMAPClient |
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szabgab |
there should be some but I don't know that space |
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szabgab |
Tar::* ? Archive::* ? |
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qp_pq |
I will check , it also has to be portable |
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qp_pq |
szabgab: how can I have wxperl-users offline I'd really make good use of it |
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qp_pq |
? |
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szabgab |
what do you mean wxperl-users? |
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qp_pq |
the mailing list |
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szabgab |
the archive? |
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qp_pq |
yes |
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szabgab |
no idea |
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Sewi |
Hi |
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DeathBlack |
hi |
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DeathBlack |
;D |
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szabgab |
hi DeathBlack |
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Sewi |
good night... |
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DeathBlack |
^^ |
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qp_pq |
is the GetColumn method implemented for Wx::ListCtrl ? |
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qp_pq |
and if so , how do I use it ? |
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qp_pq |
I'm trying to get the data in a column at a particular row in a Wx:ListCtrl object |
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DeathBlack |
hmm |
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DeathBlack |
< going to bed right now ; |
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DeathBlack |
gn8 ^^; |
