Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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00:20 CSJewell It turns out that I didn't have to run to Salt Lake after all.  Did have to help my younger brother with math homework, however. I'm adding the last set of modules now, and once I've tested that it compiles, I'll build a Padre Standalone.
00:26 CSJewell azawawi: Just downloaded your six package. Will do that, as well.
00:26 CSJewell Will be back in 3 hours or so.
00:27 CSJewell (I have to help him some more - I just got to do some work while he took a break.)
01:02 Alias tsee: PPI fails under PPI::XSAccessor because it is extremely experimental and isn't even tested yet
01:02 Alias tsee: Implementation isn't complete or correct, it's there undocumented just for information purposes
01:04 Hyppolit svn: r7757 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7757
01:04 Hyppolit 1) Update the version of the Six pack mentioned in the title
01:04 Hyppolit 2) Padre cannot inherit from itself.
01:04 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
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03:27 ppant Hello CSJewell.. Good Morning
03:27 CSJewell Hello.
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04:04 azawawi CSJewell: ping
04:04 azawawi good morning *
04:04 CSJewell Good morning.
04:06 azawawi i compressed the zip file with 7zip that's why it is so small... the tar file is like 128mb
04:06 azawawi however after testing it with unzip, some files were not working
04:06 azawawi what do u use for extraction?
04:07 azawawi i.e. what are the supported extensions?
04:17 CSJewell .zip and .tar.gz. The build does it's own extraction with Archive::Zip and Archive::Tar.
04:18 azawawi i see, i'll test it with them then ... thanks
04:19 azawawi btw, do u think we need include and lib (they're like for parrot C dev) ?
04:20 CSJewell Probably not, in that case.
04:22 CSJewell Falling asleep, however.
04:22 azawawi good night
04:55 ppant 5Hello azawawi
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05:28 szabgab gm
05:28 szabgab anyone with some TT foo here? I'd like to have a TOC on the top of the howto.html page
05:29 Ryan52 hi szabgab
05:30 Hyppolit svn: r7758 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7758
05:30 Hyppolit some howto improvement
05:30 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
05:32 JRWeiss szabgab, If all you want as a TOC is a list of topics with links this is easy to do
05:34 szabgab JRWeiss, good, but I don't mean manually doing so as that will lead to missed and broken links
05:35 szabgab have you seen the source of the page?
05:35 szabgab It certainly can be a good exercise, though you might need to learn a bit about Template Toolkit first
05:37 Sewi gm
05:42 JRWeiss OK it is a god idea to handle this with a Template toolkit but I am not ready for this yet.  I will let someone else take the challenge for now
05:48 szabgab JRWeiss, can you then please try to write up a howto - for windows users - on how to start developing Padre ?
05:48 szabgab I would really like this to be out soon at least in the wiki
05:49 szabgab I am on a hunting to get more beginners to join the project and they will need this help
05:50 szabgab we will help you if you get stuck with some of the entries
05:50 Ryan52 you scared him away! :P
05:52 Ryan52 szabgab: what happened with the copyright/license/whatever on the splash image?
05:52 * Ryan52 remembers asking a day or two ago, but forgets if you answered..
05:53 szabgab no answer yet. I need to ask her again
05:53 Ryan52 could you please? :)
05:53 szabgab Ryan52, when is the dead-line of the next release of Debian/Ubuntu ?
05:54 szabgab the last time packages can still be updated?
05:54 Ryan52 ubuntus is long passed
05:54 Ryan52 we got in the birthday release
05:54 Ryan52 debian's is gonna be later than December.
05:54 Ryan52 so we've got time there :)
05:58 szabgab maybe we need a wiki page with the cut-off dates of the major distros we care about?
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06:00 JRWeiss szabgab, I am back (had to reboot)
06:00 szabgab Ryan52, thought I frightened you away :-)
06:02 JRWeiss szabgab, Do I understand correctly that you would like me to refine the how to in the padre site so that it fits Windows users
06:02 JRWeiss Or do you want me to ad to the wiki like I did for setting up the development environment
06:02 JRWeiss the hoto was very good for me and the wiki was fine for installing padre
06:03 szabgab Maybe we need to create a howto page on the wiki as well - it is just easier to edit
06:03 szabgab and move the "Setting up a development environment " from the http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki page to there
06:04 szabgab and make it even more windows user friendly
06:04 szabgab then on the main howto page we can add a link to this howto item
06:05 szabgab of course the two howto pages should not overlap in content but they should link to each others content
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06:05 * szabgab is talking too much again
06:06 Ryan52 nah, the rest of us just aren't talking enough.
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06:14 El_Che lo
06:14 Hyppolit svn: r7759 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7759
06:14 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Find perl6.exe in PDX and later Six releases but stay compatible at the same with almost-six-0.41
06:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/
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06:29 azawawi good morning
06:31 JRWeiss szabgab, where is the source for the current how to?
06:32 szabgab the source of the web site is in SVN in trunk/template.padre.perlide.org
06:32 szabgab there is a README in that directory
06:32 szabgab azawawi, gm
06:32 El_Che azawawi: question
06:33 El_Che you implemented the highlight words features
06:33 El_Che how do i activate it?
06:33 szabgab azawawi, do I understand correctly that the new version of Almost six will need a new version of he Perl 6 plugin not yet released ?
06:33 El_Che not on dubble clicling a word like netbeans
06:33 El_Che oh nevermind
06:34 El_Che found it
06:34 El_Che like netbeans, but a very light colour
06:34 El_Che niceç
06:34 El_Che killer feature, thanks
06:40 azawawi szabgab: yeah i fixed it...
06:40 azawawi szabgab: with compatibility with older almost six in mind...
06:40 szabgab I am teaching a few locals to use Padre and learn perl and so far nearly all of them got tricked by the fact Padre comes up in Hebrew
06:40 azawawi El_Che: sorry i was away a bit
06:41 szabgab and for most of them the mother tongue is actually English
06:41 azawawi szabgab: i will release it today (Perl 6) and final PDX
06:41 azawawi szabgab: im fixing a bug on rakudo win32 atm
06:41 El_Che azawawi: I wonder how the hell you know what features I want implmented and do it that fast.
06:41 szabgab so I wonder if in case of Hebrew Padre should default to English anyway?
06:42 azawawi El_Che: because we use similar IDEs :)
06:42 El_Che hehe
06:42 El_Che azawawi: the colour may be to light though
06:42 El_Che difficult to spot it
06:42 azawawi El_Che: yeah i can make that configurable
06:42 azawawi El_Che: that's the default STC provide...
06:43 El_Che yes, but the default should better as most people won't change the default
06:43 El_Che I see
06:47 szabgab azawawi, what do you think, is the same in Arabic http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/512 ?
06:50 azawawi in my opinion the default language should be english
06:51 azawawi and it is up to his/her to change it
06:51 azawawi so it is the same for Arabic
06:52 szabgab and in other languages ?
06:54 azawawi ideally at first startup, there should be some options that the user may configure
06:55 azawawi for example, i use chrome; but i dislike when installing it on a new machine... since it defaults to arabic interface
06:55 azawawi which some machines are not configured to display
06:55 azawawi arabic characters
06:55 azawawi so default to english and let the user/programmer change it
06:57 El_Che if you speak english: great
06:57 El_Che if don't (like many people), bad choice as default
06:58 azawawi El_Che: true but as i said when installing Padre for the first time provide them with a option to change it.
06:59 szabgab so a list of 2 languages? English and the one from the locale ?
06:59 azawawi yeah...
07:00 El_Che that's more of a windows problem I guess
07:00 El_Che I think in Linux it's a good default to use the language of the desktop
07:08 azawawi moritz_ told me about this http://perlpilot.blogspot.com/2009/09/th​ings-i-wish-were-different-in-padre.html
07:08 azawawi moritz_++ from #perl6
07:10 Alias I like the "padre ." suggestion
07:10 * Alias leaves for Sydney.pm
07:15 azawawi El_Che: yeah you do not find i18n support out of the box on win32
07:16 azawawi El_Che: it has to be configured
07:17 El_Che there is no registry or whatever windows magic with the language of the desktop?
07:17 El_Che it's a setting of the configuuration panel, so it should be saved somewhere in windows
07:18 azawawi El_Che: arabic support has to be installed from regional settings for it to work
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07:22 szabgab azawawi, I get lots of warnings Found a duplicate action 'help.help' when switching languages
07:24 szabgab My window in the VirtualBox has English and Hungarian but for Hebrew support I would need the CD and I have no clue where it is now and I am too lazy to look for it
07:24 szabgab but it is a separate set of installations along with the other non-latin letter languages
07:24 azawawi szabgab: yeah i should fix that
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07:27 Hyppolit svn: r7760 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7760
07:27 Hyppolit link to the blog of Jonathan Scott Duff
07:27 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
07:39 azawawi Alias: ping
07:42 szabgab azawawi, he is on Sydney.pm meeting
07:43 azawawi ah i forgot
07:43 azawawi oh well
07:43 azawawi Alias: unping
07:43 azawawi :)
07:44 szabgab anyone seen garu ?
07:45 azawawi he's relaxing from being Padre's release manager. garu++ :)
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08:09 szabgab Ryan52, what are your plans for 0.46 ?
08:11 Ryan52 plans?
08:11 azawawi world domination or peace for everyone?
08:11 Ryan52 both!
08:12 Sewi Remember to create t/96.world_domination.t :-)
08:13 Ryan52 szabgab: I dunno, there's not much commits happening lately :(
08:14 Ryan52 and my pet project involves extending wxperl to bind a few more classes, which with my lack of XS and C++ skills is gonna take a while :). so nothing coming from me in the near future.
08:19 * azawawi cooks another rakudo Perl 6 PDX release...
08:20 Ryan52 yum
08:20 Ryan52 :P
08:22 Ryan52 hm, I guess we're due for a release.
08:22 Ryan52 szabgab: what should I do?
08:23 Ryan52 for now, I'm going to sleep...if I go to sleep now, I might get a whole 4 hours :P
08:23 szabgab Ryan52, good luck with that
08:27 azawawi szabgab: i have updated instructions for building rakudo on http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wi​ki/BuildingOnPortableStrawberry
08:28 szabgab ty
08:28 azawawi im uploading at 8K/sec... slow...
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08:44 azawawi CSJewell_asleep: please link to http://feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/six/six-pdx.zip (this is a symbolic link)
08:45 azawawi CSJewell_asleep: this will help fix problem easily without asking you to link to another url
08:45 azawawi CSJewell_asleep: thanks :)
08:45 azawawi CSJewell_asleep: s/problem/problems/
08:46 * azawawi cooks a new version of Padre::Plugin::Perl6
08:46 CSJewell_asleep I'll download it from there - I've got to upload it to strawberryperl.com/packages, anyway.
08:49 azawawi CSJewell: how many hours do u sleep? :)
08:50 CSJewell Call it I just woke up in the middle of the night.
08:50 CSJewell And may go back down.
08:50 CSJewell [That was 5.]
08:51 azawawi i usually sleep like 6-8 hours
08:51 azawawi more than 8, cant...
08:51 CSJewell I'm a light sleeper - and my grandmother's done the same - low blood sugar.
08:51 szabgab CSJewell,  I hope your father is better now
08:52 CSJewell He's getting better.
08:52 azawawi great!
08:53 CSJewell Right now, pulling down latest beta of Strawberry 5.10.0 that I just compiled.
09:01 Hyppolit svn: r7761 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7761
09:01 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Bumped version to 0.59
09:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/
09:03 Hyppolit svn: r7762 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7762
09:03 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Perl tidy
09:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/lib/Padre/Plugin/Perl6/
09:05 Hyppolit svn: r7763 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7763
09:05 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Updated Changes for 0.59 release
09:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Perl6/
09:27 azawawi The next release (#21) of rakudo is due on 2009-09-17 and is codenamed Seattle
10:00 azawawi szabgab: ping
10:01 szabgab repping
10:02 azawawi im building a quick sfx .exe installer using winrar
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10:05 szabgab you mean rakudo?
10:05 azawawi yeah
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10:13 azawawi nice you could build quick installers using winrar
10:13 azawawi with license, logos and welcome text
10:29 azawawi szabgab: http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.com/2009/0​9/upgrading-to-rakudo-perl-6-pdx.html
10:29 azawawi szabgab: your feedback please :)
10:30 szabgab if that works then it's great :-)
10:32 CSJewell I'm just polishing the rough burrs off the strawberry that I'm going to build Padre Standalone / Almost Six on, then I'll build them in about 6 hours, most likely.
10:32 szabgab CSJewell, wow, that's great!
10:33 CSJewell "rough burrs" as in making sure that every file that gets generated installs, that sort of thing.
10:33 szabgab are you talking about two separate things or a single one?
10:33 CSJewell (Start the build about 6 hours from now, I think.)
10:33 CSJewell Two separate things.
10:34 CSJewell And no, you won't need to install both - it's a "one or the other" choice.
10:34 szabgab will Padre Standalone be ready to live next to other perls?
10:34 CSJewell Unfortunately, no.
10:35 szabgab oh, so then what is the difference ?
10:35 szabgab between those two?
10:42 azawawi CSJewell: please remember to update your minicpan to take P:P:P6 and S:H:P6
10:42 CSJewell Padre Standalone does not include rakudo, the Perl 6 plugin, or the requirements that only apply to the P6 plugin.
10:42 azawawi i see
10:43 szabgab CSJewell, is that still C:\strawberry only or is that a portable version?
10:44 CSJewell Still c:\strawberry only - relocatability is in the works, but it's not done yet, and won't be until after the October 2009 releases.  Believe me, you'll be the first to benefit from it.
10:46 CSJewell (I'm going to stop making major changes for the October 2009 release in 5-7 days.)
10:47 CSJewell azawawi: Will do.
10:48 azawawi CSJewell: thanks
10:48 azawawi szabgab: could u try the upgrade procedure on your win32 vm?
10:52 CSJewell One thing to note: When I DO create the .msi's - you may want to embargo them for 16 hours or so. The reason being that I'm creating them "in the future" on the 2003_x86.msopensource.net machine and one of the toolchain builders checks the time on the makefile against the time of strawberry\perl\lib\Config.pm and strawberry\perl\lib\CORE\config.h. I think you can imagine what happens.
10:52 CSJewell embargo the announcement, I mean.
10:52 CSJewell ("in the future" meaning that the machine is set to Sydney, Australia TZ)
10:53 azawawi i see
10:53 CSJewell (I think it's EU::MM)
10:56 CSJewell It only applies to adding additional modules... anything else is fine. And even then, the problem will only appear until the time the person is running the builder catches up to the "Sydney time" that I built Perl in.
10:59 CSJewell So a 16-hour embargo on the announcement should eliminate the problem for everybody living east of Anchorage or Honolulu, and even they would only need a couple more hours before the problem would be gone.
11:07 CSJewell [I'm making the .par file for Alien::wxWidgets right now, btw.]
11:08 Hyppolit svn: r7764 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7764
11:08 Hyppolit [Padre] when the run command fails on win32 in an external window, pause is always executed
11:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:17 CSJewell (only have 3 files to add... doing good.)
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11:23 szabgab I am adding a new page explaining our packaging and distributions, will let you know when it is ready for comments
11:27 Hyppolit svn: r7765 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7765
11:27 Hyppolit [template.padre.perlide.org] Added "Upgrading to Rakudo Perl 6 PDX" article
11:27 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
12:05 Hyppolit svn: r7766 | kaare++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7766
12:05 Hyppolit Add latin-1 as possible encoding
12:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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12:42 szabgab CSJewell Alias and everyone else, please take a look at   http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Distribution
12:43 * azawawi takes a look :)
12:45 azawawi no Padre Moose edition ? :)
12:46 szabgab maybe a Padre Booze edition ...
12:47 azawawi or Padre Heavy Duty edition ...
12:48 szabgab srsly though, what do you think about these packages?
12:48 szabgab do we need other packages as well ?
12:48 szabgab I should copy the stuff from the e-mail thread
12:49 azawawi packages?
12:51 szabgab distributions
12:51 azawawi if you look at eclipse, they provide a j2ee (which is what you need for web) and a java edition; a c++, and a php
12:51 azawawi to make Padre more relevant to Perl development we need to focus on what Perl programmers do
12:52 azawawi note that XS knowledge is always in short supply
12:52 azawawi s/note/notice/
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12:52 azawawi so if we can make something that solves that problem, that would be great.
12:53 azawawi im investigating if i can run November over rakudo win32
12:57 szabgab Hinrik, mib_mtofkt
12:57 szabgab azawawi, I am not sure what do you mean by solving "that" ?
12:58 szabgab I can see people who need a great perl development environment, they should download Strawberry Professional
12:58 szabgab and others who already have some version of Perl (e.g. Active Perl) but want to use Padre
12:59 szabgab and do not want to install in their perl (for whatever reason)
12:59 szabgab e.g. I have a client that is stuck on perl 5.6 for running their application
13:00 mib_mtofkt FYI: "Crazy Win32::API AllowSetForegroundWindow hack" isn't neccessary (it is a 6 year old bug in wxWidgets http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/144), since you're already checking for version 2.8.8 of wxWidgets
13:01 azawawi e.g. aid in the steps for creating Perl XS
13:01 azawawi provide references on Perl XS internals
13:08 mib_mtofkt checked and tested main_singleinstance with Padre-0.45 and Wx 0.92 wxWidgets 2.8.10 on winxp with Win32::API calls commented out
13:12 Hyppolit svn: r7767 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7767
13:12 Hyppolit link to howto on the wiki
13:12 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
13:17 mib_mtofkt is there a setting  to change titlebar text for padre?
13:17 szabgab azawawi, for that I think the best is to create a few exmples in the share/examples/xs directory ?
13:17 szabgab mib_mtofkt, I don't think so
13:17 szabgab what would you like to see there ?
13:18 szabgab and is this your real nickname?
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13:19 mib_mtofkt i'd like to see the filename, fullpathtofilename, and no, this is not my real nickname, its mibbit generated name
13:19 szabgab and mib_mtofkt and azawawi you should talk that single instance thing through (maybe with Alias as well) as I am not on windows
13:20 szabgab so change it by /nick yourrealnick
13:20 szabgab much better :-)
13:21 szabgab so I think there should be a ticket for this request and I can point you where to change what is in the header
13:21 szabgab and then we might want to implement a way to actually configure it
13:22 Anonymous ooh, while i'm at it, there should be an option beneat preferences that says "open Padre/config.yml" for those who grok yml
13:23 szabgab that will be tricky as you will have to make sure padre does not overwrite it in the next step
13:23 szabgab but doable
13:23 szabgab I guess
13:27 szabgab Anonymous, so do you want to open tickets for these?
13:27 Anonymous szabgab: not really, just wanted to mention it, thanks
13:27 szabgab so I attribute them to Anonymous :-)
13:27 szabgab thanks anyway
13:30 szabgab Anonymous, http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/517
13:30 Anonymous thanks
13:33 szabgab Anonymous, http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/518
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13:40 Sewi szabgab: I think you are right with your comment on ticket 518.
13:42 Anonymous my reasons, i was trying to test singleinstancechecker and searching for main_singleinstance but missed the option under preferences, my regular editor is scite and it "uses open preferences file" as the mechanism
13:43 Ryan52 Anonymous: do you have patches for using singleinstancechecker and wxserver?
13:44 * Ryan52 is on 2.5 hours of sleep, sorry if stupid
13:44 Anonymous no, it was for setforeground , see http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2009-09-08#i_1478889
13:45 Anonymous i figure every bit of memory saved is a good thing :)
13:45 Ryan52 okie doke then
13:53 szabgab either of you experienced that the msi installer wants to reboot windows?
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14:16 CSJewell szabgab: I never told it to - but it might realize it needs to for some reason.
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16:09 Hyppolit svn: r7768 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7768
16:09 Hyppolit Adding 'add_forgotten_files' call to Padre.
16:09 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/
16:12 Hyppolit svn: r7769 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7769
16:12 Hyppolit Updating to match fixes in Perl-Dist-WiX.
16:12 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/share/
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16:15 CSJewell Attempting a Padre Standalone build now.
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18:06 azawawi hi
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18:44 tsee Alias, ping?
18:53 azawawi tsee: i think he said he went to a Sydney meeting
18:55 tsee azawawi, thanks! Not a big deal.
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19:35 meironc Please help I am running Windows Vista and every time I try to upgrade my Padre it cannot fide the file MCPAN, and a black console widow will not close on its own. please help
19:38 szabgab any of the windows people here?
19:39 szabgab so in the meantime, I think we encountred similar issues already yesterday, let's see what can we do
19:39 szabgab try start/run/cmd ENTER
19:40 szabgab meironc, ping
19:45 meironc i typed it in and the cpromt opened
19:46 szabgab try   perl -v
19:48 meironc "perl is not recognized as an internal or external command operable program or batch file."
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19:50 szabgab c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe -v
19:51 meironc same responce as before
19:52 MoC Which perl distribution are you using? Does your account have admin rights?
19:52 meironc the cpromt says "C:\users\me>"
19:54 szabgab do you have a c:\strawberry directory?
19:55 szabgab wait, have you installed the .msi version of almost six?
19:57 meironc here is the link and i down loaded the Padre 0.41 MSI (recommended) http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
19:58 szabgab and was the installation successful?
19:58 meironc yes
19:58 szabgab it should have created c:\strawberry
19:58 MoC szabgab: Is it possible to specify a different option in the msi?
19:58 MMS No
19:58 szabgab different location, not
19:58 MMS Unfortunately
19:59 szabgab currently it is still hard coded
19:59 meironc i found it in the c dir
19:59 szabgab work is underway for the relocatable version
19:59 szabgab meironc,  so inside c:\strawberry is there a 'perl' directory ?
19:59 meironc im looking at the dir through my computer
20:00 meironc yes
20:00 szabgab and c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe ?
20:01 meironc no I dont see that file anywhere
20:01 meironc hold on
20:01 szabgab is there a bin directory?
20:01 szabgab probably extensions are hidden
20:02 meironc I have 2 perl files, one is Prel and the second is Perl5.10.0
20:03 szabgab so on the command prompt please type       c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe -v
20:03 MMS You mean Perl (not Prel), don't you?
20:04 meironc yes perl sorry
20:06 meironc no luck
20:06 meironc still same error message
20:07 szabgab so on the command prompt please type       c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl -V
20:07 szabgab so on the command prompt please type       c:\strawberry\perl\bin\Perl5.10.0 -v
20:07 meironc I tried to change dir from D to C and it comes up sit C:\users\me>
20:08 szabgab any of those?
20:08 szabgab cd \
20:08 szabgab cd strawberry\perl\bin
20:08 szabgab perl.exe -v
20:10 meironc I got to the bin folder but still same error
20:10 MoC meironc: Enter "C:" then "cd c:\strawberry\perl\bin & dir" and nopaste the output (The first should change the drive, at least it does on XP, I'm not sure what it does on Vista, so use at own risk)
20:11 meironc MoC  I have forgotten how to do the break for dir
20:12 szabgab this is the same issue as http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/506   but I wonder how could perl be executed as a regular user
20:12 szabgab meironc, do you know how to use nopaste?
20:12 meironc no
20:13 MoC Nevermind szabgab, if it's the same issue as the ticket, this won't help
20:13 szabgab you can paste the output of dir to http://pastebin.ca/
20:13 szabgab and after pressing submit paste the new url back to this channel
20:14 szabgab MoC, do you think perl cannot run in regular user mode on Vista?
20:14 szabgab meironc, have you managed to launch padre ?
20:14 MoC Well, judging from the ticket it seems like a path issue
20:15 MoC Because if you take a look at "echo %PATH%", there's no perl bin dir to be found.
20:15 MMS szabgab: why pastebin.ca and not pastebin.com?
20:15 MoC However it is strange that he can't call it when he uses the absolute path...
20:15 szabgab yes but meironc  cannot seem to run perl even if full path is given
20:16 szabgab MoC, no idea, that was my browser showed
20:16 meironc Yes it ran fine every time I tried to open a new file (5 or 6) it closed the window
20:16 szabgab http://pastebin.com/ is nicer :-)
20:16 MoC Which is why I advised him to do "dir" in the bin dir. So he might as well do it.
20:16 szabgab meironc, yes that's a bug in 0.41
20:17 szabgab meironc, so pls type dir and paste the result to that http://pastebin.com/
20:17 MMS I have 145 files in the bin directory
20:18 szabgab in the meantime I am fiering up a windows
20:18 szabgab oh and probably you don't know how to copy the list
20:18 szabgab so try the following :   dir p*.*
20:18 meironc no I dont
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20:20 szabgab try  .\perl.exe -v
20:20 meironc szabgab how do I paste it to the site I type dir p*.*...?
20:21 szabgab rightclick / click on "Mark"  / drag the mouse to highlight the text
20:21 szabgab ENTER will copy the text  and then you can use ctrl-v to paster
20:22 szabgab at least that's the way it works on XP
20:25 meironc it worked. I copied it to http://pastebin.com/m2ae94293
20:26 szabgab great, looking
20:26 szabgab so try   .\perl.exe -v
20:26 szabgab there is a leading dot !
20:28 MoC Actually you can omit the .\ on Windows, szabgab. Which is why they had to include "." in $path with MSYS ^.^
20:30 meironc no luck
20:30 szabgab can you open the command window as administrator?
20:31 meironc im in admin
20:32 szabgab is there some super security system on that might prevent windows from seeing its files?
20:32 meironc no
20:32 szabgab Alias, ping
20:33 meironc I dont understand
20:33 szabgab though I don't think that he is awake at this hour and the other windows people are not logged in
20:33 MMS maybe vista won't run non-microsoft software :-)
20:33 szabgab Alias is the nickname of one of the core developers
20:33 szabgab it runs padre
20:33 meironc ah
20:34 szabgab wait, let's try something else
20:34 szabgab try to run    cpan
20:34 meironc how? in admin or through normal
20:35 szabgab first try the same suer as you used for installing padre
20:37 szabgab I seriously am afraid for my sanity with this Vista issue
20:37 meironc cprompt went one step more
20:38 szabgab do you have cpan> now?
20:38 meironc cpan>mlk/nm
20:38 meironc before that it says press h for help
20:39 szabgab so try typing      install Padre
20:40 meironc we have lift off
20:40 szabgab flying somewhere ?
20:40 meironc no but my computer has responded to the install command
20:41 szabgab son now if everything goes well it will upgrade Padre in 5-70 minutes
20:41 meironc what is i/predra
20:41 szabgab depending on its mood
20:41 MoC Depends on wether you have to pay dependency hell a visit or not :D
20:41 PerlJam padre++ in any case
20:42 szabgab staring from 0.41 going to 0.45
20:42 szabgab it took me 70 minutes I think on a virtualBox
20:42 szabgab meironc, I don't know what is that
20:42 MoC True. Plus Alias++ probably made further improvements to the dependency situation since I last looked.
20:42 meironc gathering info from index files..., populating database table... done!
20:43 szabgab meironc, it is in the right direction
20:43 Hyppolit svn: r7770 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7770
20:43 Hyppolit remove the TODO entries from the web page and open a ticket with them
20:43 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
20:45 meironc szabgab Warning cannot install padre, don't know what it is  try the command i/padre
20:46 MoC You must use uppercase p since it's case sensitive.
20:46 MoC "install Padre" instead of "install padre"
20:48 meironc the install er is runnin.
20:48 meironc thank you to all for the help
20:49 szabgab you are welcome
20:49 szabgab it can take an hour or more
20:49 szabgab though it might also end in 5 minutes
20:50 MoC Well, probably depends on wether 0.41 bundles latest wxWidgets...
20:50 szabgab it does I think
20:50 szabgab I think azawawi reported 5 minutes and I experienced an hour or more
20:51 szabgab but whatever
20:51 szabgab it is just the CPU generating heat
20:51 meironc the update finnished in about 5 min
20:53 szabgab so if it is doen then try to launch padre now again
20:53 szabgab and check in the help / about what is the version number
20:53 MMS I had quite a number of dependency errors and some skips (like t/03-wx.t). Wouldn't be it beneficial if a log-file were created during the upgrade?
20:54 szabgab MMS, yes it would
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20:55 szabgab can you please open  a ticket with this request?
20:55 szabgab azawawi, yippe!
20:55 azawawi hey
20:55 szabgab we spent an hour or so with Vista now
20:55 meironc version 0.41 in the command prompt it says Make had returned bad status
20:56 azawawi uac on?
20:56 szabgab meironc, so the upgrade just crashed
20:56 azawawi user account control
20:56 szabgab azawawi, in short meironc installed Almost six and cannot even run perl on the command prompt
20:57 szabgab cpan shell somehow started to work but apparently it was a short lives success
20:57 azawawi uac problems i think; i disabled it here
20:57 szabgab so what can he do now?
20:57 meironc GARU/Padre-0.45.tar.gz
20:57 szabgab meironc, your are a he, right?
20:57 meironc Yes I am
20:57 szabgab just so I don't refer incorrectly too many times :-)
20:58 azawawi let me test it
20:58 szabgab how can you disable uac ?
20:58 azawawi control panel, then type uac in search box
20:59 azawawi and tick it the checkbox off
20:59 szabgab meironc, can you try that?
21:00 azawawi uac = no c:\ stuff
21:00 azawawi permissions
21:00 szabgab the other suggestions we got on #win32 is to reboot
21:00 azawawi like sudo
21:01 azawawi let me try install almost six with uac on
21:01 meironc I turned it off
21:01 szabgab so you can run from the file explorer but not from cmd ?
21:01 szabgab meironc, so try now .\perl.exe -v
21:02 szabgab meironc,  or better yet open another cmd window and without changing directory try perl -v
21:02 meironc im still in cpan>
21:02 azawawi have to restart brb in 1 min
21:02 szabgab meironc,  so open another cmd window and without changing directory try perl -v
21:04 meironc nothing
21:05 szabgab meironc, have you rebooted since you installed padre?
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21:05 meironc no
21:06 szabgab then maybe try to reboot and then come back to this channel
21:06 szabgab keep the url before you disconnect
21:06 azawawi uac on/off = reboot
21:06 * azawawi tries to install almost six 0.41 in uac on
21:07 azawawi i got a warning telling me an unidentified publisher wants to install ...
21:07 azawawi allow/deny etc
21:07 azawawi that's what i hate about uac
21:07 szabgab yes, standard windows FUD
21:07 azawawi every action = popup box
21:09 azawawi 1 hour is too much
21:09 azawawi how much memory do u have allocated for that vm?
21:09 szabgab 256Mb I think
21:09 szabgab and I had a slow connection
21:10 * azawawi upgrades
21:10 szabgab so could you run perl from the cmd line ?
21:10 azawawi did he use the one-liner?
21:10 szabgab that did not work for him for some reason
21:11 szabgab so I sent him to open a cmd window
21:11 szabgab but there even    full path to perl.exe did not want to work
21:11 azawawi is he an administrator over his machine?
21:11 szabgab that's what he said
21:11 azawawi strange
21:12 szabgab I hope he will be back soon
21:12 szabgab as I have to go to sleep really soon now
21:12 azawawi i think he has more than one perl installed
21:12 szabgab unlikely
21:12 szabgab he is just learning perl now
21:13 azawawi and with uac on things tend to be slower a bit
21:14 azawawi generally if you want to develop on vista then you have to kill uac
21:14 azawawi upgrade is fine so far
21:14 azawawi PPI...
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21:15 azawawi meironc: welcome back
21:16 azawawi meironc: run cmd.exe please
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21:17 meironc admin cmp opened
21:17 azawawi perl -v
21:18 meironc nothing
21:18 azawawi no output?
21:18 meironc just an error like before
21:18 azawawi what is the error?
21:20 meironc not recognized as internal or external command operable program or batch file
21:20 azawawi echo %PATH%
21:20 szabgab I think I better go to sleep now,  see you tomorrow  , night &
21:20 azawawi szabgab: good night
21:21 meironc szabgab good night
21:21 MMS good night
21:22 azawawi meironc: are you still there?
21:23 meironc azawawi here is what i see http://pastebin.com/d733322cf
21:24 azawawi so perl is there
21:24 azawawi meironc: open C:\strawberry\perl\bin in your windows explorer
21:25 meironc done
21:25 azawawi do u have perl.exe there?
21:26 meironc yes there are 2 one says perl.exe and the second says perl5.10.0.exe
21:27 azawawi double click on perl.exe please ; you should see a command window...
21:27 meironc yes i see a blank command window
21:27 azawawi cool
21:27 azawawi then back to admin cmd please
21:27 azawawi type C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe
21:27 meironc Im there
21:28 azawawi (after closing that window)
21:28 azawawi the perl.exe window
21:28 meironc thinking
21:30 azawawi is it working from the command line?
21:31 meironc the cursor is sitting on the next line and my computer does not show it processing
21:31 meironc nothing is happening
21:31 azawawi uac is off right?
21:32 meironc yes I just checked
21:32 azawawi how about antivirus programs?
21:33 azawawi ah i got it
21:33 azawawi press ctrl-c please on cmd
21:33 azawawi then C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl -v
21:33 meironc I have avira antivirus thats all
21:34 meironc error message
21:34 azawawi what is it?
21:34 meironc same as before
21:34 meironc not recognized as internal or external command operable program or batch file
21:34 azawawi hmmm
21:35 azawawi C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl -v  , right?
21:35 meironc Yes
21:35 azawawi permissions issue maybe
21:35 MMS maybe lowercase C?
21:35 azawawi you should see http://gist.github.com/183250
21:36 azawawi windows is case insensitive
21:36 azawawi inside cpan, it is case sensitive
21:36 MMS should be :-)
21:37 azawawi ah, disable avira please
21:37 meironc disabled
21:37 azawawi and then try it again
21:38 meironc no still same error message
21:38 azawawi strange
21:38 azawawi path is right
21:38 meironc azawawi I have to go but I will be on tomorrow again
21:38 azawawi perl.exe is there
21:38 meironc yip path is correct
21:39 azawawi ok cya tomorrow
21:39 meironc yip it shows up
21:39 meironc bye
21:39 azawawi very strange problem
21:39 MMS maybe there is a log-file in Vista (I don't have Vista) and we can see what happened
21:39 azawawi most of these problems are like programs blocking stuff
21:40 azawawi avira once screwed a dev machine in my workplace
21:40 MMS maybe it will be easier to upgrade it to XP then to sole the problem in Vista :-) ?
21:40 MMS solve
21:41 azawawi :)
21:41 azawawi and still win7 hell is coming soon
21:41 azawawi so vista, win7 and xp
21:41 azawawi go figure
21:42 MMS for the time being I stick with XP dual with Ubuntu 9.04
21:42 MMS good night to all
21:42 azawawi good night &
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