Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2009-09-10

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00:00 rhebus Does anyone know how to find the text currently selected? and separately, to delete the currently selected text?
00:05 skeeterbug StyledTextCtrl is in the Wx::STC
00:05 skeeterbug is in*
00:14 skeeterbug rhebus: according to the C++ docs, wxStyledTextCtrl has a GetSelectedText() method that returns a wxString, and DeleteBack() deletes the selection if there is one, if not, it deletes the character before the caret.
00:16 rhebus skeeterbug: thanks
00:16 rhebus where are these docs?
00:16 skeeterbug i am having a hard time finding any for perl
00:17 skeeterbug here is what i was looking at though
00:17 skeeterbug http://docs.wxwidgets.org/trunk​/classwx_styled_text_ctrl.html
00:20 rhebus thanks
00:22 skeeterbug np, did it work?
00:24 rhebus YES
00:24 rhebus yes it did
00:25 rhebus I have got extract subroutine working \o/
00:25 rhebus though it needs some refinement
00:25 skeeterbug sweet, it looks like it loads the native STC library, so all those methods should map directly i would think
00:25 skeeterbug taking off for the night, good luck on your code
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00:39 rhebus I've submitted a patch for #531, anyone available to test and patch it in?
00:44 Ryan52 ugh new dependency.
00:44 rhebus garu: you still around?
00:44 rhebus Ryan52: is that a problem?
00:44 Ryan52 what's its test accuracy look like?
00:44 Ryan52 (and its deps)
00:45 rhebus it passes the existing make test
00:45 rhebus I haven't done any new testcases
00:45 rhebus what do you mean "and its deps"?
00:45 Ryan52 one sec.
00:48 Ryan52 sorry, went afk.
00:48 Ryan52 rhebus: http://deps.cpantesters.org/
00:48 Ryan52 Devel::Refactor has an 87% chance of installing successfully.
00:49 Ryan52 so that's fine.
00:51 Ryan52 tho it does still mean I have another thing to package for Debian, ugh.
00:51 Ryan52 anyways, ignore me, Devel::Refactor looks fine.
00:51 rhebus heh
00:51 rhebus have you seen the functionality it provides though? :)
00:52 * Alias wants a "rescan plugins" option in the plugin manager
00:52 Alias So you can install new plugins on the fly without a restart
00:52 Ryan52 Alias: make a ticket =P
00:53 Alias yeah, sigh
00:53 Alias I think I shall just fix it
00:53 Alias When I can find 10 minutes
00:53 Ryan52 yay
00:54 Alias (Since I wrote almost all of the relevant code)
00:54 Alias <-- sux
00:54 Ryan52 if Alias "sux", then what does that mean about the rest of us?!? uh-oh. :)
00:55 rhebus Ryan52: if you decide to use/not to use my patch, can you let me know by email? I'm gonna have to leave soon
00:55 Ryan52 rhebus: what's your email address?
00:55 Ryan52 rhebus: I'll review it when I get back, I'm going for a bike ride.
00:55 rhebus sure thing
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03:11 CSJewell Uploading Padre Standalone now, but we'll still need a 12-hour embargo on the announcement, for the reason explained last night.
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03:26 ppant Hello Good Morning
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03:35 Alias oooo
03:35 Alias "embargo"
03:35 Alias Great way to describe it
03:41 submersible release announcement embargo /
03:41 submersible ?
03:45 CSJewell Yes.
03:47 CSJewell The reason is that it's built on a machine that's set to GMT+10. Since the EU::MM checks the makefile's creation date for "out-of-dateness" against when perl\lib\Config.pm and perl\lib\CORE\config.h, it can't install new modules for about 12 hours more.
03:49 submersible :P
03:50 submersible wave of the future.
03:51 submersible Yes - I guess you _MIGHT_ be able to play games w/ the build environment to say build in zulu time.
03:52 submersible call it the - wait while the rest of the world catches up embargo
04:04 CSJewell I'll have to see if I can do that for the next time.
04:08 CSJewell [The time that's on those two files is 2009-09-10 5:22am. In my time zone (GMT-6) it]
04:08 CSJewell it's 10:08pm on the 9th.
04:11 CSJewell .msi is uploaded at http://strawberryperl.com/pack​ages/padre-standalone-0.45.msi, uploading of the .zip had to be restarted.
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04:17 szabgab good morning
04:18 * szabgab opening tickets regarding stuff in the backlog
04:18 szabgab thanks for the new contributors!
04:19 szabgab CSJewell, thank you
04:19 CSJewell good morning, szabgab...
04:19 Alias When I build some of my stuff on my GMT server, I usually hand-twiddle all the files to be gmt dated
04:19 Alias Just in case
04:21 CSJewell I'm in GMT-6 right now, so there's only 6 hours of people 'behind' me normally, and considering that it takes a few hours to put up all the announcements and stuff... it hasn't been much of a worry.
04:21 * szabgab takes children to school
04:21 CSJewell I will remember to roll it back the next time, however.
04:23 CSJewell Set it to Anchorage time temporarily ... that way there's no trouble at all.
04:30 szabgab CSJewell, could you please describe what is in that package and what are the known issues - related to packaging? I am not clear on that myself
04:31 CSJewell That one is a "Padre Standalone" package - it's only Padre and its dependencies, not the "Plus Six" stuff.
04:34 CSJewell It's based on 5.10.0 - but that's the last one that will be.  It includes all but one of the upgrades to Strawberry that will be in the next beta: the "new libraries" that kmx has provided, DBD::Pg, DB_File, Imager and GD, Crypt::SSLeay, Net::SSLeay, Net::SSH::Perl and Module::Signature and their dependencies.
04:36 CSJewell The one packaging issue is since I built it in an "in the future" time zone for just about everybody, it can't install modules until it passes the date and time that perl happened to be built [10 September, 5:22am] in the time zone of the person using it.
04:37 CSJewell thus, the embargo on the announcement that I'm requesting.
04:38 CSJewell It does NOT install its modules to vendor\ rather than site\ - I'm working on that right now, and once that's done, I'll start building a beta of Strawberry.
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04:42 CSJewell "Almost Six" I want to wait on until after Seattle is released, since it's coming up in - what, 8 days?
04:42 Ryan52 parrot's got a new release in 8 days?
04:42 Ryan52 that seems a bit soon..
04:42 CSJewell I thought it was the 17th.
04:43 CSJewell It is: http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/b​lob/master/docs/release_guide.pod
04:44 CSJewell Tonight's the 9th, correct?
04:44 Ryan52 oh. so it is. /me adds to TODO list to email Allison. thanks for the reminder. :P
04:45 Ryan52 ya, you're right.
04:45 * Ryan52 is packaging rakudo for Debian, but had to wait for the next parrot version...felt like it came too soon :P
05:01 szabgab CSJewell, so can I install that Padre stand-alone anywhere or only in c:\strawberry ?
05:02 CSJewell Only in c:\strawberry - I'm looking at changing that in November (after the flood of reports from the October Strawberry release has gone down.)
05:02 CSJewell The .zip is now uploaded.
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05:15 szabgab CSJewell, Alias see my description of what I think should be the Stand-alone package: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wi​ki/Distribution#StandalonePadre
05:15 szabgab your comments pls
05:18 * Alias is insanely busy over this week and next
05:18 Alias I'll try, but can't promise. Remind me if I don't get back to you
05:40 CSJewell I'm working toward that - by January 2010, that should be complete. I can't guarantee earlier.
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05:41 Sewi gm
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05:49 CSJewell And please, November, not October, for the "install anywhere bit" - I won't have that done for October.
05:52 CSJewell Basically, Strawberry works on a 3-month cycle - bug fixes from the release [and required rebuilds] in the release month (October), major changes in the next month (November, in this case), and the beta release and bug fixes from that in the month before the release (September and December).
05:55 szabgab CSJewell, could you please edit that page then and add the schedule of the planned changes?
05:55 CSJewell Okay. Will do.
05:56 szabgab finanalyst, nice place http://www.amrating.am/
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06:04 Sewi szabgab: You're working on ticket #533?
06:04 szabgab no, I just opened it
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06:04 szabgab as I saw it was mentioned in the backlog
06:05 Sewi ok.
06:05 Sewi I didn't want to do steal someone else ticket :)
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06:08 Hyppolit svn: r7798 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7798
06:08 Hyppolit Fixed ticket #530: An empty parameter was given to the called script.
06:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
06:11 Sewi There is a new fix for ticket http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/531 which adds a new dependency. Shall it be appliled?
06:16 szabgab Sewi, yes I think we should do that
06:17 Ryan52 I said I was going to look at it, but please take care of it for me :)
06:17 Ryan52 I think the new dep is fine (I lookied into the dep).
06:18 Sewi szabgab: Ok, I didn't want to apply it without asking, because many others here have a much better knowledge of the Deps and what is done there...
06:18 CSJewell szabgab: Page edited.
06:19 szabgab CSJewell, ty
06:20 CSJewell I made the module names link to the .pm files in the 'trac browser', by the way.
06:20 szabgab Sewi, I care a lot less about what deps we have than Alias as I know someone will take care of these deps, (and it is usually Alias ;-)
06:21 Hyppolit svn: r7799 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7799
06:21 Hyppolit Added a check for ticket #528: override package DB
06:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
06:22 Sewi szabgab: I already noticed that he really likes deps :-)
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06:22 Hyppolit svn: r7800 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7800
06:22 Hyppolit [Padre] Updated messages.pot
06:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
06:23 Sewi azawawi: You won :-)
06:23 Hyppolit svn: r7801 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7801
06:23 Hyppolit [Padre] Arabic translation at 99%
06:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
06:23 azawawi Sewi: won what? :)
06:23 azawawi good morning first
06:24 CSJewell & zzz....
06:24 azawawi good night CSJewell
06:24 azawawi great work on the package
06:24 Sewi azawawi: Updating messages.pot before I did :-) I made the update yesterday night and just added another text a minute before your update :-)
06:24 azawawi CSJewell++
06:24 Sewi CSJewell: sleep well
06:25 szabgab Sewi, does the beginner mode actually work?
06:25 azawawi it seems that i dont not take your update :)
06:25 azawawi ah i took it :)
06:25 Sewi szabgab: I'm currently checking this.
06:26 Sewi szabgab: But I didn't want to mix up the ticket's fix and the Beginner-Mode-Fix (which seems to be neccessary).
06:26 szabgab Once you did, can you write up  a description of how to turn it on/off and how it works?
06:26 szabgab Sewi, you do it well, thanks
06:27 Sewi szabgab: I didn't do anything on Padre too long. :-)
06:27 Sewi It could be turned on in the Preferences and I currently have no idea how it works :-)
06:28 Sewi There was a discussion yesterday about renaming "Syntax check" to "Warnings & Errors", this would be the best place, I think, but doing this is too much for me atm. :-(
06:34 Hyppolit svn: r7802 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7802
06:34 Hyppolit [Padre] Arabic translation at 100% again :)
06:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
06:35 azawawi szabgab: i wanted to rename it to "Problems" like in Eclipse
06:36 Sewi What about "Document problems"? Or some other prefix stating that it concerns the current document and not the editor...
06:36 azawawi i was busy yesterday watching Dubai Metro grand opening...
06:37 szabgab we have this issue I have no idea how to solve that we both want to use words beginners and people from outside the Perl world understand but that the perl people will not freak out either
06:37 szabgab azawawi, I read that :-)
06:38 szabgab this comes up with the syntax check/problems/etc name
06:38 szabgab it came up yesterday in another place where I am trying to get people to use IRC
06:38 szabgab they know what skype is and what a chatroom is but if they read the word IRC they are don't know what that is
06:39 szabgab or freak out as that is something old and unixy
06:39 Sewi true :(
06:40 szabgab and if I say "hacker" they think I really want to break into the nearby bank
06:43 szbalint "Hello, I'm from the Internet and I'm here to help you"
06:44 Hyppolit svn: r7803 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7803
06:44 Hyppolit move outline of Padre to main web page
06:44 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
06:45 Hyppolit svn: r7804 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7804
06:45 Hyppolit [Padre] Perl tidy
06:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
06:47 Hyppolit svn: r7805 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7805
06:47 Hyppolit Update messages.pot
06:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
06:47 Hyppolit svn: r7806 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7806
06:47 Hyppolit German translation to 100%
06:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
06:52 Sewi azawawi: Why do you use tidy so often? It mixes up local working copies :-(
06:53 Hyppolit svn: r7807 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7807
06:53 Hyppolit Make the Perl Beginner checks work (but it still needs to be improved very much!)
06:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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06:59 szabgab Sewi, I am not sure why   $self->{error} = undef;  is good?
06:59 Sewi $self->{error} = '' (like it was before) triggered an empty warning message box.
07:00 szabgab I think I would say delete $self->{error}  if I don't want any previous errors to be present
07:00 Sewi I don't like the way nearly everything is done there. The best thing would be to include it into the Syntax Check/warnings/problems - tab, but I'm currently too busy :-(
07:01 szabgab and in either case I would add a comment to why do we need that assignment
07:01 szabgab Sewi,  can you open a ticket with the above comment?
07:01 Sewi Ok
07:01 szabgab ty
07:02 szabgab I am trying to get more things documented outside our IRC channel so new people can find thing easier
07:03 Sewi What about ticket http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/413 ? Shouldn't it be closed?
07:04 szabgab I would leave that open, I am not sure what really to do with that
07:06 Sewi I just noticed it while looking for existing tickets which may fit the above problem.
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07:12 azawawi Sewi: you can run perl ..\tools\tidy_pm_files.pl on your local copy to fix that...
07:12 azawawi Sewi: sorry for any inconvenience
07:16 mikehh I built perl 10.1 a couple of days ago and trying to re-install Wx pre-requisite Alien::wxWidgets breaks - anybody had any similar problems
07:17 azawawi mikehh: any output/logs?
07:18 Sewi szabgab: Appying the patch for 531 changed Makefile.PL to include the new dependency. Shall I also commit this file?
07:18 szabgab you mean the Makefile.PL ?  yes   and update Changes too and include credit to the author
07:18 Sewi ok, thanks
07:19 Sewi Is there any rule when Changes should be updated?
07:21 mikehh mhh@mhh-desktop:~/perl5/cpan/Alien-wxWidgets-0.44$ ./Build
07:21 mikehh Subroutine version::qv redefined at inc/version.pm line 22.
07:22 azawawi mikehh: can u paste output to http://gist.github.com ?
07:22 mikehh it failed with cpanp with the same error so I tried to build separately
07:23 azawawi mikehh: the best way to handle this is to email Matia on wxperl mailing list
07:24 azawawi mikehh: he usually answers within a couple of hours...
07:25 azawawi mikehh: but ofcourse search first the mailing list archives for a similar case http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.wxperl.users/
07:25 azawawi mikehh: support link: http://wxperl.sourceforge.net/support.html
07:26 Alias <Sewi>There is a new fix for ticket http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/531 which adds a new dependency. Shall it be appliled?
07:26 Sewi Hi Alias
07:27 * azawawi checks whether Devel::Refactor installs on xp or not
07:27 Alias The dependency it adds has 1) A dependency on 5.8 2) No significant CPAN Testers failures 3) No recursive deps
07:27 Alias So as far as I'm concerned, it's a low risk addition
07:27 szabgab Sewi, AFAIK we don't have a clear set of written rules for the Changes file. yet
07:28 mikehh bah - trying to get the output again I managed to install it :-}
07:28 Alias The ones that are a problem are where the new dependency adds new entire chains of deps, or where the new dep (or it's deps) don't install reliably
07:28 Alias It's especially safe because we don't have to load it in the base compile, so it shouldn't even add weight to most of the threads
07:28 azawawi Alias: it installed on xp without installing any prerequisites...
07:28 Alias yup
07:28 Alias +1 as far as I'm concerned
07:28 Alias It's forward progress...
07:28 Alias And we can always remove it later if it's a problem
07:29 mikehh getting all those architecture dependant modules re-installed is a pain
07:29 szabgab mikehh, yeh, we need someone to help packaging Padre for linux
07:30 mikehh yeah - let me see iof I can get Wx re-installed now
07:32 Hyppolit svn: r7808 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7808
07:32 Hyppolit Ticket #531: Add a "extract subroutine" function (rhebus++)
07:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
07:34 Hyppolit svn: r7809 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7809
07:34 Hyppolit Update messages.pot
07:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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07:35 Hyppolit svn: r7810 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7810
07:35 Hyppolit German translation at 100%
07:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
07:38 mikehh well i's flashing wgets all over my screen while it tests
07:38 mikehh I think in need new batteries in my wireless keyboard
07:45 szabgab Wx tests are like fireworks
07:54 Sewi Another close-ticket poll: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/67 seems to be superseeded by the current autocomplete function which is a little bit syntax-aware.
07:58 * szabgab tries to be silent (aka this page left blank on purpose)
08:00 Hyppolit svn: r7811 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7811
08:00 Hyppolit [Padre] Handle "Open all Recent Files" Padre crash when setup_editor is called with a file that does not exist.
08:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:03 Hyppolit svn: r7812 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7812
08:03 Hyppolit [Padre] Updated Changes
08:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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08:10 azawawi why do we have autoconverting of EOLs in Padre?
08:11 szabgab it is my fault :-)
08:11 azawawi im killing it :)
08:11 szabgab I think we talked about this a few days ago
08:11 azawawi no asking the user...
08:11 azawawi just plain and simple
08:11 szabgab I thought Alias killed it already
08:12 szabgab azawawi, I agree, but it is funny as it has been there for 8 month now I think :-)
08:12 szabgab can you please open a ticket with it and then close it once done?
08:13 azawawi sure
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08:19 azawawi szabgab: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/536
08:19 * azawawi fixes it now
08:19 szabgab looking at http://ppm4.activestate.com/MSWin32-x86/5.10/100​0/G/GA/GARU/Padre-0.45.d/log-20090902T173956.txt
08:20 szabgab I see the first problem is that Activestate cannot build Wx  and I don't see Alien::wxWidgets at all
08:21 szabgab 'xspp' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
08:21 azawawi aha...
08:21 azawawi ExtUtils::XSpp is not installed
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08:31 Hyppolit svn: r7813 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7813
08:31 Hyppolit [Padre] Fixed ticket:536 "Padre auto converts EOLs automatically"
08:31 Hyppolit [Padre] So no more EOL auto conversion... :)
08:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:35 szabgab JRWeiss, good morning (ish), I have applied your change, thank you
08:35 Sewi gm rhebus
08:35 JRWeiss szabgab, Yes I saw the notice from padre and I tested out last night
08:36 JRWeiss I tested on a number of broswers and it looks OK to me
08:36 rhebus morning sewi
08:40 Hyppolit svn: r7814 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7814
08:40 Hyppolit [Padre] Updated Changes
08:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:41 rhebus Sewi: thanks for folding in my patch. I've got a couple of minor updates it needs
08:42 Sewi rhebus: I wrote a comment in the ticket...
08:42 szabgab JRWeiss, do you remember if abrutel is modiintech ?
08:42 rhebus lines 106 and 107 should be swapped "Wx::gettext("New Subroutine Name")," and "Wx::gettext("Please enter a name for the new subroutine"),"
08:42 rhebus Sewi: yeah I saw that comment, that's a bigger issue, not a one-liner :(
08:43 JRWeiss szabgab,  I don't remember exactly but I  do not think he is
08:44 JRWeiss do you have a log of the conversation from last week?  I think you recommended to modiinTech that he change his nick and he did
08:45 Hyppolit svn: r7815 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7815
08:45 Hyppolit Text correction
08:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
08:45 Sewi rhebus: done
08:45 szabgab oh, yes, I asked modiintech and he said he is Avrham ;-)
08:50 Alias azawawi++ # Killing auto-convert
08:50 Alias I've been getting complaints from my team here that I'm corrupting their svn repository
08:53 azawawi anyone using ctrl-shift-l to delete current line?
08:53 azawawi ctrl-shift-L
08:53 Sewi yes, quite often
08:54 azawawi how about using ctrl-d ?
08:54 rhebus can someone explain this karma thing to me?
08:54 azawawi rhebus++
08:54 azawawi karma rhebus
08:54 Hyppolit Karma of rhebus is 1
08:54 Sewi azawawi: this is "double line"
08:54 azawawi Sewi: yeah on eclipse, it is delete line and textmate seems to be the same
08:55 rhebus karma azawawi
08:55 Hyppolit Karma of azawawi is 1110
08:55 rhebus am I worth 0.1% of you then? :)
08:55 szabgab rhebus, you just multiplied by your karma by an infinite number
08:56 Sewi azawawi: This is part of the key binding issue which must be solved globally
08:56 rhebus heh
08:56 szabgab (remove the first by)
08:56 szabgab rhebus, Hyppolit is just counting how many times rhebus++ is added to a name
08:57 azawawi Sewi: key bindings in preferences then...
08:57 azawawi Sewi: and actions
08:57 rhebus hmm I've seen it twice so far, it's not very good at counting
08:57 szabgab it counts the commits and when we appreciate each others work
08:57 szabgab Hyppolit has its own problems in life, I guess
08:57 Sewi azawawi: Ctrl-L also copies the current line (line Ctrl-X). I tried to make him not copy an empty line when removing it but didn't find a way to do it.
08:58 azawawi Sewi: http://www.yellowbrain.com/stc/keymap.html
08:58 szabgab rhebus, other than that it has no real meaning
08:58 Sewi azawawi: But when overriding the function, I'ld have to rebuild what it currently does. This was my problem :-)
08:59 rhebus szabgab: thanks for explaining :)
08:59 azawawi Sewi: ah the Padre-ConfigKeys something branch
08:59 azawawi Sewi: i totally forgot about that
08:59 szabgab rhebus, see:
08:59 szabgab karma notepad
08:59 Hyppolit Karma of notepad is 17
09:00 azawawi Sewi: any chance we could merge that with what we have?
09:01 rhebus hehe
09:01 rhebus coffee++
09:01 rhebus karma coffee
09:01 Hyppolit Karma of coffee is 1
09:01 azawawi coffee--
09:01 azawawi karma coffee
09:01 Hyppolit Karma of coffee is 0
09:01 Sewi azawawi: I did this before learning about the Actions thing. Maybe, I should throw it away.
09:01 azawawi coffee--
09:01 azawawi karma coffee
09:01 Hyppolit Karma of coffee is -1
09:01 rhebus coffee+=1000
09:01 rhebus karma coffee
09:01 Hyppolit Karma of coffee is -1
09:02 rhebus I'll stop now
09:03 azawawi Sewi: you created some UI right?
09:04 azawawi Sewi: and that's what we should keep... The rest is plumbing...
09:04 Sewi I tried, but I'm really a Wx noop. All of my UIs until now were created using Visual Basic or HTML :-)
09:04 Sewi I think, I should get through the Wx samples to learn something about this topic...
09:04 azawawi Sewi: no problem just start it and i'll help out :)
09:06 Sewi thx
09:06 szabgab Sewi, and you could also write a few more wx examples and add them to our directory!
09:07 Sewi I think that my example would be bad examples atm :-)
09:07 szabgab IMHO that's the best way to learn
09:07 szabgab and we will help you
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09:08 * Sewi is currently busy with another challenge created by szabgab :-)
09:08 azawawi the important thing is to start an effort to do one thing... perfection is not needed there...
09:09 Alias (As long as it's NEW work)
09:09 azawawi Alias: :)
09:09 szabgab "We don't built a perfect editor. we just build the best one"
09:09 Sewi very good message!
09:09 Alias Attempts to speculatively half-way do refactor of existing code without a clear reason to replace has been problematic
09:09 azawawi Alias: but shooting for perfection for the first time = missing deadlines :)
09:10 Alias But I've seen no significant problems with even the newbiest implementations when attempt new concepts and new features
09:10 Alias azawawi: Anything is better than nothing the first time
09:10 Alias Perfection is preferred when refactoring
09:10 rhebus Alias++
09:10 Alias When HEAVY refactoring at least
09:11 Alias Light cleanups etc no big deal as long as they are a bit better
09:11 rhebus which is why I'm currently focusing on implementing refactoring features :)
09:11 Alias :)
09:11 Alias Yay
09:11 Alias We've always been a little weak on those
09:11 Alias Nobody wants to do the hard work :)
09:11 azawawi yeah even in Perl 6...
09:11 azawawi im lazy :)
09:11 Alias Probably mostly because PPI is thorough but a bit hard to code against
09:12 Alias Or at the very least, verbose to code again
09:12 Alias against
09:12 azawawi PPI would benefit a lot if married with jQuery-like selectors...
09:13 Hyppolit svn: r7816 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7816
09:13 Hyppolit add IRC channel and mailing list info to contact page as well
09:13 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
09:13 rhebus I've just been finding existing code which does what we want and plumbing it in
09:15 azawawi Alias: btw how can one get a commit bit to svn.ali.as ? talk to AdamK? :)
09:16 rhebus argh, I've been having a frequent problem while hacking on padre: I see a method call like $self->MyMethodName and I don't know how to find that method's definition or documentation
09:16 rhebus beside using a grep, which doesn't help when it's from a library
09:16 rhebus currently I'm looking for a GetStatusBar method, but I can't tell what package it's in :/
09:16 Sewi azawawi: There is still one thing left before we get him on Padre: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/query?status=acc​epted&amp;status=assigned&amp;status=new&amp;s​tatus=reopened&amp;group=status&amp;order=prio​rity&amp;milestone=Get+Adam+Kennedy+on+Padre :-)
09:17 Sewi rhebus: Try Ctrl+left-mouse-click on the word.
09:17 Sewi And there is a "find in files" option in the Search menu
09:17 rhebus currently editing in vim :P
09:19 rhebus what is ctrl-left mouse supposed to do?
09:19 azawawi rhebus: http://www.yellowbrain.com/stc/keymap.html ?
09:19 rhebus aah found it, it's inherited from wxFrame
09:20 rhebus azawawi: not listed there
09:20 rhebus that's just keyboard-only shortcuts
09:21 azawawi rhebus: then ignore me :)
09:21 Sewi rhebus: It scans for the definition of what you're clicking.
09:24 azawawi szabgab: what's error list for ?
09:26 rhebus listing errors, I'd guess
09:26 rhebus :P
09:28 Alias Added new user azawawi@cpan.org
09:28 szabgab azawawi, when you run a script it collects the STDERR and displays it there too
09:29 szabgab at least when using the output window and not the external window
09:29 Alias rhebus: The convention is that lowercase methods are implemented in Perl (and mostly our code) and uppercase methods come from the Wx C bindings
09:30 Alias Helps keep the "stuff you can read through our code to learn about" separate from the "stuff you'll need to trawl through the C docs for wxWidgets for"
09:30 Alias So basically, in package Foo with $self->GetStatusBar, you look at the Wx::ClassName that the package inherits from
09:30 Alias Then you go look up the package wxClassName in the C documentation
09:31 Alias And it should have a GetStatusBar listed in that class
09:31 rhebus Alias: thanks a lot, that's clearer
09:32 * Alias has been meaning to do some screencasts for this stuff
09:34 azawawi Alias: thanks :)
09:34 * azawawi enters the matrix :)
09:34 Alias Beware that first checkout :)
09:34 Alias It's a doozy
09:35 Hyppolit svn: r7817 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7817
09:35 Hyppolit Perl tidy
09:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
09:35 Alias (Trunk's not TOO bad, but root is pretty insane)
09:35 * Alias checks size
09:36 Hyppolit svn: r7818 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7818
09:36 Hyppolit Adding some beginner error checks (ticket #52 and other sources)
09:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
09:37 azawawi beginner error checks can also become quick fixes...
09:37 Sewi yes, many of them
09:38 Hyppolit svn: r7819 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7819
09:38 Hyppolit Adding some tests for beginner error checks
09:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
09:38 Sewi It has been _long_ time ago since I did so many errors in a dozen lines :-)
09:38 azawawi Sewi: im clicking on it but nothing...
09:39 Sewi The menu option? If nothing happens, everything is fine. Do you think we should add a "everything fine" message?
09:39 azawawi ah... sorry. i didnt svn up
09:40 azawawi yeah and add a shortcut to it...
09:40 azawawi or make a check menu item... and do it on every syntax check ...
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09:41 rhebus i remember most of the things in the first checkout being .jpg and .svg files
09:41 Sewi azawawi: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/534 :-)
09:43 azawawi hehe
09:44 azawawi &
10:17 Hyppolit svn: r7820 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7820
10:17 Hyppolit some improvement to the getting invloved page
10:17 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
10:19 Hyppolit svn: r7821 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7821
10:19 Hyppolit fix typo and links
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10:25 Hyppolit svn: r7822 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7822
10:25 Hyppolit link to blog about packaging padre for linux and OSX
10:25 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
10:26 Hyppolit svn: r7823 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7823
10:26 Hyppolit [Padre] Fixed typo in month name :)
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11:08 rhebus patch submitted for #205, anyone around to commit?
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11:17 Sewi I'll take a look at it, rhebus
11:18 szabgab meironc, I saw you managed to install Padre in the end
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11:19 kthakore jq: can you tell me where the mandriva page of SDL perl is ?
11:19 kthakore jq: want to absorb some patches like I am doing from debain
11:20 rhebus Sewi: thanks, it's just a two-liner
11:20 rhebus I've done make test
11:20 szabgab rhebus, unfortunatelly the test suit of padre is very minimal
11:22 meironc szabgab yes I did. I in stalled the padre with my antivirus off, rebutted,  turned off all my anti virus software from windows security manager only then I ran the update and it worked.
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11:25 szabgab strange, but at least good to know, maybe - for the sake of documentation - you could open a ticket and explain what happen, what was the likely reason and how you solved it
11:25 szabgab the ticket can be then closed but at least we will have a point of easier reference when next one someone has similar problem
11:26 szabgab meironc, see above
11:29 Sewi szabgab: I experienced all sorts of unexpected things with bad antivirus software under Windows.
11:30 Sewi One AV suite even froze my program under windows with 100% CPU load. :-(
11:31 szabgab elminating viruses by starving them?
11:31 Sewi Seems so.
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11:31 Sewi But it was a heavy priced commercial product. I guess this is more imporatant than making a working product :)
11:33 Sewi AV problems are common, also with Perl: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=792181
11:35 meironc I have tried to open a ticket but it keeps saying I have to log on. how do I log on?
11:35 rhebus szabgab: is there a ticket open about the test suite?
11:36 meironc no
11:36 szabgab rhebus, I think the first one ;-)
11:36 rhebus mind you it should probably be several tickets
11:36 szabgab meironc, which page ?  does it say how do you register?
11:37 meironc In order to register please first talk to us on IRC.
11:39 szabgab good :-)
11:39 szabgab so I am opening the registration page for you as none of the other admins seem to be around
11:40 szabgab meironc, go ahead , register
11:40 szabgab on http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
11:42 meironc I have go in thank you
11:44 Hyppolit svn: r7824 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7824
11:44 Hyppolit Fix for ticket #205: reset output background
11:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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11:54 Hyppolit svn: r7825 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7825
11:54 Hyppolit link to contact page
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12:08 meironc szabgab please could you see if I need to add something extra to the ticket Ticket #545
12:11 szabgab meironc, I would add the name of antivirus and maybe explain that c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe  ran and waited for input while c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe -v told you it could not be found  (and btw the word is  rebooted not rebutted)
12:25 szabgab meironc, thank you
12:28 meironc szabgab with pleasure, anything to help others
12:28 jq kthakore: http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc​.cgi/packages/cooker/perl-SDL/current/
12:30 meironc Does anybody know if there is a command for clear screen?
12:31 Sewi where? in Perl?
12:31 meironc yes in Perl
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12:32 Sewi I guess "system 'clear';" is the easiest, otherwise you'll need to write an ANSI-sequence or use a Module.
12:34 jq meironc:  Term::Screen is your friend
12:36 Hyppolit svn: r7826 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7826
12:36 Hyppolit Screenshots as requested by ticket #539
12:36 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
12:41 Hyppolit svn: r7827 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7827
12:41 Hyppolit Scaled screenshot for better page layout.
12:41 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
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14:52 azawawi szabgab: damn avira anti virus. im glad it is solved :)
14:53 szabgab me2
14:53 szabgab azawawi, how far are we from giving explanations on what $. is ?
14:53 szabgab or $_ ?
14:55 azawawi they should be there
14:55 azawawi $. does not work since it is selected by default
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14:56 szabgab I don't understand that
14:56 azawawi they're using perldoc -v variable
14:56 azawawi $_ works when selected with F2
14:56 azawawi $. is not selected
14:56 szabgab my    perldoc -v '$_' does not find it
14:57 szabgab nor is my F2
14:57 azawawi really?
14:57 azawawi it works on win32
14:57 azawawi perldoc -v $_
14:57 szabgab nope
14:57 azawawi perldoc -v "$_" maybe?
14:58 szabgab nope
14:58 azawawi it is documented...
14:58 szabgab and not with single quote either
14:58 azawawi perldoc -v \$_ ? :)
14:59 szabgab -v   Describes search for the item in detail (verbosely).
14:59 szabgab where is it documented?
14:59 azawawi ah wait...
15:00 azawawi strange case http://gist.github.com/184592
15:01 * azawawi investigates
15:02 azawawi szabgab: take a look http://gist.github.com/184593
15:02 azawawi szabgab: btw, perldoc -f print works?
15:03 azawawi szabgab: maybe you forgot to install perl docs on ubuntu?
15:03 szabgab sure
15:03 szabgab perldoc -f print works
15:03 azawawi perldoc -v $ARG ?
15:03 szabgab perldoc -V
15:03 szabgab Perldoc v3.14_02, under perl v5.010000 for linux
15:04 szabgab perldoc perldoc tells me -v is verbose mode
15:04 azawawi Perldoc v3.15, under perl v5.010000 for MSWin32 :)
15:05 azawawi take a look at how old your version is http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Pod-Perldoc-3.15/ :)
15:06 azawawi require newer Pod-Perldoc in Padre?
15:06 azawawi you installed via aptitude ?
15:07 azawawi s/installed/installed it/
15:08 azawawi Alias++ for make strawberry up2date
15:10 azawawi perldoc -v PerlVar was added in 2008-05-02 (3.14_06)
15:14 szabgab azawawi, we need 3.15
15:14 azawawi require it in Makefile.PL?
15:14 szabgab after upgrading it started to work
15:14 szabgab yes, and close the ticket
15:14 azawawi which ticket?
15:15 azawawi im low on sugar... 40 min to go :)
15:15 szabgab don't worry I'll do it
15:15 szabgab I would not be able to be 40 min without eating
15:15 szabgab total
15:16 szabgab lucky we don't do it for a month :-)
15:17 azawawi yeah 4 days
15:18 azawawi szabgab: which ticket again?
15:18 azawawi http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/547 right?
15:18 szabgab don't worry, I am now bragging on the beginner list
15:19 szabgab yes
15:21 CSJewell OK. Embargo can end in 2 minutes, if it hasn't already (Honolulu passes 5:22am - I don't think there's much west of there and east of the date line to worry about.)
15:23 szabgab azawawi, are you fixing then or shall I ?
15:24 azawawi im fixing
15:24 Hyppolit svn: r7828 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7828
15:24 Hyppolit [Padre] Adding a Pod::Perldoc 0.35 dependency since we need perldoc -v perlvar
15:24 Hyppolit [Padre] This closes ticket:547 "(context sensitive help for perl 5 - "what is $. ?" No help found)"
15:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
15:25 azawawi mental note: i should test features also on linux
15:27 Hyppolit svn: r7829 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7829
15:27 Hyppolit update changes
15:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
15:27 azawawi szabgab: how did a development release of Pod::Perldoc enter perl? ubuntu's downstream packagers?
15:28 azawawi i think 0.46 is pretty solid now
15:28 Hyppolit svn: r7830 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7830
15:28 Hyppolit update version number of Pod::Perldoc
15:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
15:28 azawawi oops
15:28 azawawi :)
15:28 szabgab azawawi, maybe I installed it from CPAN I don't know
15:29 szabgab you are way low on sugar ;-)
15:29 azawawi very low
15:29 szabgab go read something instead of writing
15:31 azawawi CSJewell: where is that game you promised us? :)
15:31 CSJewell what game? I don't remember promising a game!
15:32 azawawi strawberry standalone
15:32 azawawi i heard it had SDL preinstalled
15:33 CSJewell Nonono, people were asking for it. Alias said it's a little too unstable yet to go in and I agree with him in that regard.
15:33 azawawi im kidding ofcourse :)
15:34 CSJewell Sorry. It's hard for me to tell that people are kidding IRL, much less in text.
15:35 azawawi oh well
15:35 azawawi i tried SDL and it aint stable at all
15:35 azawawi Alien::SDL didnt install
15:35 azawawi but im sure they'll iron out all these problems by october...
15:36 CSJewell https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Dis​play.html?id=49282#txn-658002
15:37 azawawi szabgab: did u ever try the flip flop .. operator in scalar context?
15:37 CSJewell Which means it may get in January... because we really do have to have a month beta test.  Which reminds me, I should probably get off IRC and get to work on it.
15:38 azawawi im off fri and sat
15:38 azawawi so i may hack a bit on help topics
15:38 azawawi categorization...
15:39 szabgab azawawi,  if ($x =~ /ww/ .. bb/) {
15:39 szabgab but I keep forgeting the syntax
15:40 azawawi yeah but it is pretty cool
15:40 szabgab oh sure it is
15:40 azawawi cowens from perlopref.pod was asking if the name was cool or not
15:41 azawawi the good news is rakudo seattle will be far easier to build on win32 than before
15:42 azawawi i found a couple of bugs there and it is now solved...
15:44 azawawi szabgab: you could help out cowens on perlopref.pod by forking and pushing changes to him (http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/tree/master)
15:44 azawawi Alias: what do u think a better name for perl operator reference would be?
15:44 azawawi Alias: i know you certainly dont like perlopref.pod
15:47 szabgab azawawi, is he on IRC ?
15:48 azawawi who?
15:49 azawawi cowens nop
15:49 azawawi he seems to be a vim user
15:49 szabgab he can still be on irc :-)
15:49 azawawi i told him that Padre has perlopref integrated in help search by email...
15:50 szabgab yes, he just mailed me
15:50 * azawawi looks around suspiciously
15:50 szabgab as a reply to my post on the beginner list
15:50 szabgab but is his doc already integrated into padre?
15:50 azawawi yup
15:50 azawawi perlopref.pod :)
15:51 szabgab I don't get documentation on =
15:51 azawawi X and Y
15:51 szabgab or =>
15:51 azawawi first one
15:51 azawawi !X
15:51 szabgab nor on ||
15:51 azawawi X++
15:51 szabgab unless I highlight it
15:51 azawawi X + Y
15:51 azawawi yeah
15:52 azawawi it is first step :)
15:52 azawawi ticket me plz...
15:52 szabgab so is the help on || coming from his docs?
15:52 szabgab you will get tons of tickets soon
15:53 szabgab don't worry, I am now the ticket master
15:53 azawawi yup
15:53 azawawi when you see X
15:53 azawawi or X something Y
15:53 azawawi that's perlopref
15:54 azawawi iftar & :)
15:55 szabgab bbl&
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16:44 g0bl1n hi, is Padre usable in Ruby ? Syntax highl., etc ?
16:45 Sewi usable: yes, like any text editor :-) Syntax highlighting,etc: not afaik.
16:46 Sewi This module may be helpful: http://search.cpan.org/~szabgab/Padre-Plug​in-Parrot-0.25/lib/Padre/Plugin/Parrot.pm
16:50 g0bl1n Sewi, ty
16:51 PerlJam View -> View Document As -> Ruby
16:51 Alias g0bl1n: Padre is designed to support non-Perl languages as secondary languages
16:52 PerlJam I don't have any ruby code handy, but it seems to highlight things
16:52 Alias g0bl1n: So we provide the bits that more or less come bundled with Scintilla, but not much more. Although someone could, if they wanted, write a plugin to add additional features for a specific language
16:52 Alias Pluggable document model objects, etc
16:52 g0bl1n is there anyone packaging it for say, Debian ? Ubuntu ?
16:52 g0bl1n Padre i mean
16:57 El_Che yes
16:58 El_Che it will be on ubuntu 9.10
16:58 bricas g0bl1n: the debian-perl team is doing it for Debian (natch) -- ubuntu will naturally mirror upstream over time.
16:58 bricas El_Che: oh, is someone doing it directly for ubuntu?
16:58 g0bl1n sweet
17:00 El_Che bricas: the same people, but I though szabgab got confirmation for ubuntu
17:00 El_Che I am subscribed to the "bug"
17:02 El_Che http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-b​in/bugreport.cgi?bug=492696 - https://launchpad.net/padre
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17:04 bricas yeah, i see now. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/padre
17:05 szabgab g0bl1n, I think there is a syntax highligher for Ruby
17:05 szabgab and I hope we will be able to integrate syntax highlighting based on Cardinal
17:07 szabgab g0bl1n,  actually now that I checked it I see I have already integrated it once  but later I could not build Cardinal so I am not sure what is the status now
17:07 * szabgab is now reading what was the question
17:07 g0bl1n szabgab,  :)
17:10 szabgab we have at least on small ruby example in our repo
17:11 szabgab g0bl1n, are you familiar with Cardinal?
17:11 g0bl1n szabgab, no
17:11 szabgab it is a Ruby implementation over the Parrot virual machine
17:12 g0bl1n szabgab, wait, seem to have read something about
17:12 g0bl1n and you have syn.high. for Cardinal ?
17:12 szabgab if we manage to compile it again -and I guess it was just out of swing when I tried last time - then we can use its parstree for highlighting ruby
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17:13 szabgab sorry, what is syn.high ?
17:13 g0bl1n syntax highlight sorry
17:13 szabgab we can use Cardinal for syhi
17:13 szabgab ;-)
17:14 g0bl1n :)
17:14 szabgab so it is not perfect Ruby,
17:14 szabgab it is up to the level of readyness of Cardinal
17:15 szabgab See the Parrot plugin of Padre for more info
17:15 g0bl1n I will, I'm building Padre on this Ubuntu
17:16 szabgab and how did you get to Padre anyway if you are interested in Ruby?
17:17 * g0bl1n likes testing IDE's (coming from Vim). This looks fine, simple, clean
17:19 szabgab I hope soon we will be able to extend padre using ruby
17:20 PerlJam g0bl1n: It's quite good. I've tried it a couple of times over the last year and last week I started using it full time (I've used vi and its clones almost exclusively since 1992)
17:29 g0bl1n ty
17:36 El_Che szabgab: let us first conquer the perl world before we conquer the universe :)
17:36 g0bl1n :)
17:37 g0bl1n El_Che, with Padre (priest in portuguese) you mean evangelize the perl world :)
17:38 El_Che padre os camelhos :)
17:38 PerlJam El_Che: why so limit yourself though?  padre -- *Programmer's* application development and refactoring environment sounds great to me  :)
17:38 El_Che ahaha
17:38 El_Che that's great indeed
17:39 El_Che "Padre application development and refactoring environment" is the next logical step
17:39 g0bl1n :)
17:40 szabgab g0bl1n, #cardinal is on this server if you want to talk to them
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18:13 g0bl1n still.... Cpan doing Padre :) takes tiiiiimeeee... :)
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22:27 cowens Padre::Pod2HTML either has a bug or is exposing a bug in Pod::Simple::XHTML, L<> gets printed twice
22:27 cowens I think the problem is with the overriding of emit
22:28 shadowpaste "cowens" at 66.170.97.139 pasted "simple test case to reproduce Padre::Pod2HTML error" (13 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/33713
23:56 submersible cowens: confirmed
23:56 submersible nuts

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