Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2009-09-13

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03:09 wtgee Hola....no way to create new dirs from the Directory browser?
03:10 wtgee Just not done yet or design decision?
03:11 wtgee I'm on 0.44 but don't see anything in the changelog that seems to indicate that would change in the bump to .45
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03:24 Ryan52 so I remember Alias (iirc) wanting Wx::Perl::Dialog separate from Padre.
03:24 wtgee Guess I just assigned myself a good place to dive in... :)
03:24 Ryan52 why is that not happening?
03:24 wtgee laters
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03:25 Ryan52 it looks nice, and I need (well, want..) something to make dialogs easily for $work
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04:48 szabgab gm
04:48 szabgab Ryan52, it is mainly me who wanted the Wx::Perl::Dialog in a separate package, but then Alias wanted it back in the padre nest as the dialogs are fixed width
04:49 szabgab and he wanted better dialogs for padre before letting them go out on their own
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04:51 Ryan52 oh. I wa sbackwards!
04:53 szabgab Ryan52, have  I seen correctly that you released 0.46 ?
04:53 Ryan52 nope, I tried.
04:53 szabgab oh I see
04:54 Ryan52 ya, I'm failure :( =P
04:54 Ryan52 *I'm a
04:55 Hyppolit svn: r7863 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7863
04:55 Hyppolit some test cleanup
04:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
04:55 szabgab jumping to conclusions too quickly?
04:55 Ryan52 nah, I'm gonna try again tonight :)
04:57 szabgab Alias, please add your comments to  http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/555
04:57 Ryan52 thanks for making the ticket szabgab
05:07 szabgab Ryan52, Alias I see something in WriteAll in the Makefile.PL generated the    Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?
05:07 szabgab when we remove the DISPLAY for the Fedora people
05:08 Ryan52 I know, I noticed that (one of the reasons I didn't release).
05:12 Ryan52 szabgab: have any clue where that comes from?
05:12 szabgab no, I was trying to help you fix that, but so far I could only find the above
05:14 szabgab it is the   requires       'Wx'  that causes it
05:14 Ryan52 so nothing we can do about that?
05:14 szabgab I guess it means then this is coming from Module::Install
05:14 szabgab and that is Alias
05:18 szabgab Ryan52, I guess it is a change in the latest MI though I am not sore
05:18 szabgab sure
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07:22 azawawi good morning
07:22 azawawi http://wxwidgets.blogspot.com/2009/​09/debug-build-changes-in-wx3.html
07:23 szabgab gm azawawi
07:27 Ryan52 szabgab, azawawi: please test http://home.ryan52.info:400​0/~ryan52/Padre-0.46.tar.gz
07:27 Ryan52 (ignoring the DISPLAY issue, since I guss thats  not our fault..)
07:28 szabgab Ryan52, but that means the Fedora people won't be able to package padre, right?
07:28 Ryan52 bt it's not new in...oh, wait, ya, inc/, duh.
07:29 * azawawi tests using his 10KB/sec lousy connection :)
07:30 Ryan52 szabgab: so then I guess we have to wait for Alias? :(
07:31 szabgab I am installing it now
07:31 szabgab we can release that but we should raise a ticket and mention it at least in the release e-mail
07:38 Ryan52 szabgab: did it work for you?
07:39 szabgab oh, yes, installed OK
07:39 azawawi it works okay :)
07:40 azawawi actually it is great, Ryan52++
07:42 Ryan52 okay, I guess I'll upload then..
07:44 Hyppolit svn: r7864 | ryan52++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7864
07:44 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.46
07:44 Hyppolit tags/
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07:44 JRWeiss szabgab, good morning
07:44 szabgab good morning
07:45 szabgab I was about to reply to you, please open a ticket and attach your patch to that ticket
07:46 azawawi &
07:46 JRWeiss that is what I wanted to ask
07:47 JRWeiss I actually do alot of work like this when I am offline like today on the train but i will craete the ticket and attach the changes
07:48 szabgab that would be great, thank
07:48 szabgab s
07:48 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.46, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
07:48 Ryan52 szabgab: please upload http://cpan.hexten.net/authors​/id/R/RS/RSN/Padre-0.46.tar.gz to http://perlide.org/download/source/
07:49 szabgab Ryan52,ok,  have you also tagged it on SVN
07:49 Ryan52 yep
07:49 szabgab copied
07:50 szabgab Ryan52, congratulations for your first release !
07:51 Ryan52 thanks. :)
07:55 Ryan52 Subject: Failed: PAUSE indexer report RSN/Padre-0.46.tar.gz
07:55 Ryan52 damnit.
07:55 Ryan52 missimg permissions on Wx::Perl::Dialog, Wx::Perl::Dialog::Frame, Wx::Perl::Dialog::Simple, and Wx::Perl::Dialog::SingleChoice.
07:56 Ryan52 szabgab: can you give me comaint on those please?
07:57 szabgab Ryan52, pls update our wiki page with this infi
07:58 szabgab Ryan52, ask for a reindex
07:58 Ryan52 k, done.
07:59 Ryan52 (the second part)
07:59 Ryan52 update the wiki with what info?
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08:02 Hyppolit svn: r7865 | ryan52++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7865
08:02 Hyppolit merge changes from branch
08:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/OpenResource/
08:03 Sewi gm
08:03 Hyppolit svn: r7866 | ryan52++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7866
08:03 Hyppolit remove the branch
08:03 Hyppolit branches/
08:03 szabgab Ryan52, that we need to pass co-maint ship for these modules as well
08:04 Hyppolit svn: r7867 | ryan52++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7867
08:04 Hyppolit add new empty Changes section
08:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:05 Ryan52 k
08:07 Ryan52 okay, so I think I just need to write an email and get a blog...hm. :)
08:11 tsee_ http://use.perl.org/~tsee/journal/39619 # people++
08:13 szabgab indeed, we need to get people talking
08:14 szabgab btw tsee_  I had an email exchange with someone on the beginners list. he is using ActivePerl and cannot switch to Strawberry for several reasons one of the is that the par executable are extracting into /tmp
08:14 tsee_ szabgab, uh.
08:14 szabgab it seems for him this is a security (or confidentiality) issue
08:15 tsee_ That last sentence doesn't make any sense to me.
08:15 tsee_ How is PAR related to Strawberry Perl or ActivePerl?
08:15 szabgab sorry I missed the middle :-)
08:15 szabgab he is using the tool from ActiveState to build exe
08:15 tsee_ And surely you mean C:/documents and settings/$user/Temporary Files/ or somesuch?
08:16 szabgab that needs ActivePerl, cannot use Strawberry Perl
08:16 tsee_ Strange.
08:16 szabgab so the alternative to create exe is to use PAR
08:16 tsee_ But still. I AFAIR, perlapp did also write temporary files.
08:16 szabgab but PAR extracts the file to the disk
08:16 tsee_ I won't believe perlapp can entirely get away without.
08:16 szabgab and that seems to be the issue
08:16 szabgab I don't know
08:17 tsee_ PAR can load .pm files from memory. We have a branch for that.
08:17 szabgab just mentioning
08:17 tsee_ We never made it the default because it breaks too many expectations.
08:17 tsee_ We can NOT load shared libraries from memory.
08:17 szabgab but you know, it is the usual case someone complaining out-of band, not even talking directly to the maintainer(s)
08:17 tsee_ We wouldn't change the behaviour anyway.
08:18 tsee_ It's a bit of fear mongering.
08:18 tsee_ If your OS sets the permissions right, it's not a valid point.
08:18 tsee_ You can do the equivalent of "chmod 700" on a directory in Windows as well.
08:18 szabgab I think it is the same as why "comiled" languages such as Java are ok for distribution
08:18 szabgab oh the point is that the client will see the source
08:19 szabgab not so much - I think - that someone will change the code under your feet
08:19 szabgab so the issue is "code hiding"
08:20 tsee_ PAR::Filter::Crypto
08:20 tsee_ But yeah. I'm preaching to the converted.
08:33 JRWeiss szabgab, see Ticket 557
08:45 szabgab JRWeiss, ty, I'll look at it later,
08:47 JRWeiss szabgab, OK,  regarding 532 I think we should decide where the instructions should go so that this can be worked on.
08:48 JRWeiss I am just about ready to add the part about creating a patch in SVN on Windows (one more train ride and I'll be done)
08:49 JRWeiss but I am not sure where to put these instructions
08:58 szabgab I think this should go to our wiki and linked from the http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Howto
08:59 JRWeiss Ok
08:59 JRWeiss Do we need Tickets to track changes done ot the wiki or shoudl we jsut make the change
09:00 szabgab no, on the wiki just go ahead and do your changes
09:00 szabgab of course discussing first can be good
09:00 JRWeiss OK
09:01 JRWeiss Of course to discuss is good.  In this case you and I and others have allready discussed this and now it is just a matter of getting it done
09:01 szabgab and actually if you think there is a need for some change on the wiki but you don't have time to do it right away, opening a ticket could also help
09:01 JRWeiss OK
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10:29 azawawi hello
10:29 azawawi szabgab: I updated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padre_(software)
10:40 azawawi tsee: in vista and later, that's c:\users\$username\...
10:41 tsee_ azawawi, well, yeah, I migrated away from windows in win2k times.
10:42 Sewi azawawi: Don't rely on that, on German installations it's C:\dokumente und einstellungen\$username :-(
10:42 Sewi I guess they'll change it again on Win7
10:43 azawawi i use %USERPROFILE%
10:44 azawawi the space in the middle in pre-vista points out problems in the double quoting while executing commands...
10:44 azawawi so in vista/win7, that wont happen... but in xp the bug is going to appear
10:50 azawawi who's the perlcritic plugin maintainer?
10:51 azawawi i would like to implement quick fixes for some of these policies...
10:53 azawawi kaare: ping
11:29 azawawi szabgab: ping
11:29 szabgab ping
11:30 azawawi ping
11:30 azawawi no pong?
11:30 azawawi :)
11:31 azawawi i am looking at my blog google analytics stats and no hits from Africa whatsoever...
11:33 azawawi actually there is one visit from a couple of countries... but no more than 1
11:34 szabgab for some reason I am not surprised
11:34 azawawi middle/lower africa... nothing
11:37 szabgab but why are you surprised?
11:37 azawawi im just telling you :)
11:38 szabgab I see
11:38 azawawi i see no annoucement no Padre 0.46
11:38 azawawi for Padre 0.46...
11:39 szabgab you know it might be interesting to see how to get more of those people into hi-tech and specifically perl and open source
11:39 szabgab azawawi, let's see if Ryan52 makes it soon
11:39 szabgab or we nag him
11:40 azawawi i'll nag him when i see him tonight
11:40 azawawi what about Perl penetration in norway/finland/sweden...?
11:42 azawawi any upcoming events you'll be training at abroad?
11:42 szabgab I don't know yet, I hope I can arrange a few sessions next yet
11:43 szabgab We should arrange a YAPC::DS
11:43 azawawi nintendo DS? :)
11:43 szabgab That would be cool too :-)
11:43 szabgab I thought of Dead Sea :-)
11:44 azawawi ah dead sea...
11:44 azawawi where no fish dares to live...
11:45 szabgab or to have one in Eilat/Aquaba
11:45 szabgab camel ride included
11:45 azawawi so sandboarding in dubai...
11:46 azawawi im sleepy... sugar :)
11:49 szabgab can we name the major fields where Perl is used ?
11:50 azawawi hmmm tough question
11:50 azawawi it used to be web...
11:51 azawawi and in business it is java's and cobol's domains...
11:52 azawawi im ofcourse speaking about arabic countries i.e..
11:52 azawawi oh well im off to home...
11:52 szabgab cu
11:53 MoC That biomolecular protein folding stuff?
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12:27 Hyppolit svn: r7868 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7868
12:27 Hyppolit howto upgrade padre
12:27 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
12:28 szabgab MoC, do we have some links to nice pages about bioperl?
12:29 MoC At least I don't know any which a simple google querry wouldn't yield.
12:30 szabgab I know http://www.bioperl.org/  but it is a wiki
12:30 szabgab any images?
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13:44 szabgab hmm Padre is not mentioned on http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications
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13:56 El_Che szabgab: getting that fixed nox :)
13:56 El_Che now
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14:01 szabgab at least they have a working spamfilter :-)
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18:15 Hyppolit svn: r7869 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7869
18:15 Hyppolit add sample file to be refactored
18:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/files/
18:22 tsee Does the following line tell you anything?
18:22 tsee tsee@l3tsee:/tmp/par-tsee/cache-2b5d031​f82cda24cb8de48516beaf05e4109f27b$ PAR_TEMP=$PWD ./reuseperl -e 'BEGIN{print "$_\n" for @INC;} print "hi\n";use warnings; use File::Spec; warn $INC{"File/Spec.pm"},"\n"'
18:22 tsee Prints:
18:22 tsee /tmp/par-tsee/cache-2b5d031f82cda2​4cb8de48516beaf05e4109f27b/inc/lib
18:22 tsee hi
18:22 tsee /tmp/par-tsee/cache-2b5d031f82cda24cb8de4​8516beaf05e4109f27b/inc/lib/File/Spec.pm
18:38 JRWeiss szabgab, ping
18:39 szabgab JRWeiss, a bit later
18:39 JRWeiss I have 20 minues before I have to go
18:39 JRWeiss I want to submit changes to the wiki
18:40 JRWeiss I have them in a word file right now
18:40 JRWeiss Should I send the changes for review or just edit the wii
18:40 JRWeiss wkik
18:40 JRWeiss wiki
18:40 szabgab just edit the wiki
18:57 JRWeiss szabgab, I got to go...
18:57 JRWeiss I edited the wiki
18:57 JRWeiss I could not format it exactly the way I wanted it
18:58 JRWeiss I wanted to use bulet points but couldn't figure that out
18:58 JRWeiss look at the create  a patch on http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Howto
18:59 JRWeiss I also did not update the ticket 532 I am not clear of the process of updating ticket statuses yet
18:59 JRWeiss I think it is best that m changes be reviewed and only then the status updated
19:02 szabgab JRWeiss, thanks
19:17 tsee http://svn.openfoundry.org/par/PAR-Packer-WithPerl # intial steps to get a general-purpose perl inside a PAR'd app.
19:17 tsee Currently only for dynamically built perls.
19:18 tsee Man. The PAR::Packer build process is a nightmare.
19:33 szabgab tsee, I think we only need to execute perl externally for the initial generation of the SQLite database
19:33 szabgab after that  we actually should look for a real external perl to execute the user created scripts
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23:21 submersible azawawi: ahey!

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