IRC log for #padre, 2009-09-17

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03:00	azawawi	good morning
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03:22	ppant	Hello Good Morning
03:30	azawawi	hi ppant
03:31	ppant	Hi azawawi
03:31	ppant	I am able to check out now
03:32	ppant	Tx for helping
03:32	azawawi	cool
03:32	ppant	Today I will now try to create a dev envirnoment
03:33	azawawi	ppant++
03:34	ppant	:)
03:35	ppant	btw I have seen your blog yesturday...
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04:00	Hyppolit	svn: r7936 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7936
04:00	Hyppolit	[Padre] Updated EOL-must-be-unix test to include all files in the distro.
04:00	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
04:06	Hyppolit	svn: r7937 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7937
04:06	Hyppolit	[Padre] Made test more generic a bit
04:06	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
04:08	Hyppolit	svn: r7938 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7938
04:08	Hyppolit	[Padre] more debug info
04:08	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
04:11	Hyppolit	svn: r7939 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7939
04:11	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed errors found by t/13-eol.t => we now are testing properly for these things
04:11	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Manual/
04:20	Hyppolit	svn: r7940 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7940
04:20	Hyppolit	[Padre] Allowing "None" EOL case for one-liner scripts
04:20	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
04:21	Alias	azawawi: You know, I'm thinking that maybe we should have the project model try to do project-level eol autodetect
04:21	Alias	Whatever the EOL is for the Makefile.PL/Build.PL is taken as the EOL for the project as a whole
04:22	Hyppolit	svn: r7941 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7941
04:22	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed all errors found by t/13-eol.t
04:22	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/share/doc/ trunk/Padre/t/files/ trunk/Padre/t/lib/Padre/
04:22	Alias	Probably also time we started putting together a Perl::Critic profile for Padre
04:23	Alias	Rather than start with defaults or something though, just cherry pick one rule at a time to add
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04:29	azawawi	yeah it is a nice idea...
04:29	azawawi	given that there is an override switch ofcourse
04:33	Hyppolit	svn: r7942 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7942
04:33	Hyppolit	[Padre] Prevent update_perlopref.pl from generating CR/LF on win32...
04:33	Hyppolit	trunk/tools/
04:35	Alias	overried?
04:35	Alias	This is a big project, as far as I'm concerned we don't enable any critic policies unless we are REALLY sure it should be applied in 100% of all cases
04:36	azawawi	suppose there is one file in the project than needs to be MAC or win32...
04:36	Alias	Well, the eol test has exceptions in it right?
04:36	Alias	My badcode one knows of about 3 files that are allowed to not follow the rules
04:36	szabgab	gm
04:36	szabgab	newline eq
04:36	szabgab	'None' ?
04:36	Alias	(Mostly it's the 3 files that allow the rest to work)
04:36	Hyppolit	svn: r7943 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7943
04:36	Hyppolit	[Padre] Perl tidy...
04:36	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
04:36	Alias	szabgab: One-liners
04:37	azawawi	yeah
04:37	Alias	That's a somewhat tricky edge case
04:37	Alias	What happens if you hit enter :)
04:37	szabgab	it should bounce back
04:37	* Alias	has decided to start writing less Padre code, and start writing more Padre tests instead
04:37	szabgab	with a small electric shock in your finger
04:37	Alias	I'm noticing some nasty regressions creeping in
04:37	Alias	Someone's broken cut and paste
04:38	azawawi	yesterday, I joined sdl as a minion... :)
04:38	szabgab	Alias, we should fix the Win32::GUITest scripts
04:38	Hyppolit	svn: r7944 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7944
04:38	Hyppolit	Adding Perl::Critic policy file for Padre
04:38	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
04:38	szabgab	then we can write more of those tests
04:39	Alias	szabgab: I want to see how many we can do without the need for Win32::GUI
04:39	Alias	Simple things like cut and paste shouldn't need that
04:39	szabgab	I want to see how can you do that without external key sending
04:39	azawawi	works here on win32
04:40	Alias	azawawi: Try pasting over the top of a selection
04:40	Alias	It's possible that it's been fixed since 0.46
04:40	azawawi	ouch...
04:40	Alias	indeed
04:41	azawawi	ticket please :)
04:41	Alias	szabgab: Part of the point of the ::Action system is so you can fire user events anonymous
04:41	Alias	anonymously
04:41	Alias	Should be possible in a test script to just say Padre::Current->main->action('edit.paste');
04:41	Alias	or something similar
04:42	azawawi	fyi, some of the actions are not safe to call when there is no document
04:42	szabgab	I will love to see it :-)
04:42	szabgab	in that case I'll be happy to write tests
04:43	Alias	The more we can do with a hidden editor, the better
04:43	szabgab	azawawi, imho that should be fixed
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04:43	Alias	Since most events should shortcut to null, make an editor with no document and then just fire every single action :)
04:43	szabgab	even if we disable the editor this second check should be there
04:44	Alias	indeed
04:44	szabgab	BUT
04:44	szabgab	I would really love to see the GUItests working again
04:44	szabgab	as I would like to use this as a showcase for how we can write external GUI Tests
04:45	szabgab	in Perl
04:45	szabgab	but last time I checked it had some issues with initial configuration I think
04:46	azawawi	question, what tweets do u usually follow? re-perl stuff
04:47	szabgab	nothing
04:48	szabgab	once a week I look at tweeter and tweet something, that's it
04:48	azawawi	yesterday, github had a ddos attack... http://twitter.com/github
04:48	azawawi	they banned 3520 IPs...
04:49	szabgab	I think it would be worth to add a comment why do we need the 'None' newline
04:49	szabgab	and I think there are all kinds of places where we need to add comments about our failed attempts
04:50	szabgab	(e.g. the splash screen with that FastSplash or what was that discussed yesterday)
04:50	szabgab	otherwise people new to Padre (or old just not paying enough attention) will come and ask these questions again and again - in the good case,
04:50	szabgab	in the bad case they will just 'fix it'
04:51	azawawi	sure
04:52	azawawi	btw, wxhtml sucks big time...
04:52	azawawi	it is good for simple html but once you need to do some real styling, you cant...
04:53	azawawi	i wonder if a wxperl Wx::Webkit binding is the solution...
04:53	szabgab	there was this GSOC project or TPF grant for the Webkit binding
04:53	* Alias	happily ignores twitter
04:53	Alias	I caved in to the Facebook monster, but I SHALL NOT TWEET
04:54	Alias	yeah, wxHTML blows
04:54	azawawi	on #perl6 there seems to be a movement to translate Perl 6 to Google V8's Javascript engine via viv...
04:54	Alias	With a bit of luck the webkit stuff will get us what we really want
04:56	azawawi	viv being VI => 6, V => 5 (Perl 6-5)
04:56	Alias	BTW, other regressions I'm noticing
04:57	Alias	TaskManager leaks a thread for every ack search
04:57	Alias	or something remarkebly similar to it
04:57	azawawi	also outline has 2 scalar leaks...
04:57	szabgab	people, please open tickets
04:58	* Alias	hopes to write tests instead
04:58	szabgab	we need to get the word out of our IRC channel of things to do
04:58	azawawi	szabgab: i thought you could remember it all :)
04:58	szabgab	so others can come and start hacking
04:58	Alias	Are we running out of work?
04:58	szabgab	I can remember only where is the trac
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04:59	szabgab	Alias, on the contrary
04:59	szabgab	we would like to pass some of the work to others
04:59	Alias	I mean, is trac running out of interesting bugs
04:59	szabgab	but if they don't know what we would like to be done they might not have an idea
05:00	szabgab	I just opened about a 100 tickets in the last few days
05:00	szabgab	and started to organize them a bit
05:01	azawawi	today = rakudo seattle launch
05:02	szabgab	so will there be a new Almost Six in a few days?
05:02	azawawi	i will release the zip file shortly after launch and blog about it
05:03	szabgab	I hope CSJewell will be able to build almost-six
05:03	azawawi	CSJewell will surely follow and release one as he promised me...
05:03	Alias	He's working on the beta
05:03	Alias	I assume it will be based on that?
05:03	szabgab	and Alias will we have a page on strawberrperl.com for that release?
05:03	* Alias	shrugs
05:03	szabgab	why?
05:03	Alias	I'll try to find some time for it :)
05:04	Alias	I'm not REALLY sure the Six thing should be on Strawberry
05:04	Alias	At least, it shouldn't be the main place
05:04	Alias	It SHOULD probably be on Rakudo website
05:04	szabgab	"Strawberry-Perl-6"
05:04	szabgab	"Strawberry-Perl-Almost-6"
05:05	szabgab	"Strawberry-Rakudo-Perl"
05:05	szabgab	IMHO it belongs much more to Strawberry than to Padre
05:06	szabgab	ah you already answered, I just cant read
05:06	Alias	Not really
05:06	szabgab	<Alias> It SHOULD probably be on Rakudo website
05:06	szabgab	I just did not see that
05:06	Alias	Almost Six is a Perl 6 thing, that just happens to contain an editor for it, and just happens to contain Perl 5 for the editor
05:06	Alias	Ah
05:07	Alias	I'm thinking more at a product level than a technology level
05:07	Alias	Strawberry releases Perl
05:07	Alias	At some point, it will release a "Perl for Developers" type release that contains a whole ton of stuff, but it's about Perl
05:08	szabgab	So it can be on the Rakudo site or it can be on the Strawberry site just as perl5 can be on cpan.org or on the strawberry.com
05:08	Alias	Padre is about an IDE, it releases an IDE product that just happens to come with an embedded Perl or something
05:08	Alias	I don't mind linking to it as an aside in the releases page, or as part of a general betas page
05:08	Alias	But I'm not sure I want to be the primary official home for it
05:09	szabgab	If Strawberry release perl then it can release both perl 5 and perl 6 right?
05:10	szabgab	what i think is that "Padre standalone" stays on the Padre web site but any package the happens to contain Padre is on its own web site,
05:10	szabgab	Strawberry-Professional (perl 5 + CPAN modules+ C compiler) is on Strawberry
05:11	Alias	Nobody is using Perl 6 yet for real
05:11	Alias	Strawberry may well do Perl 6 once it because more of a real product
05:11	Alias	Right now, it's just a language experiment
05:12	szabgab	I think Rakudo already has its own win32 package
05:12	szabgab	I seem to remember seeing someone packaging it
05:13	szabgab	and even if it is experimental I think the Strawberry branding of it is good for Strawberry
05:14	Alias	I agree with the Professional thing though
05:14	Alias	Since it's a Perl product that just happens to contain Padre
05:15	Alias	I'm competing with ActivePerl
05:15	Alias	So I really need to be delivering at a product level
05:15	Alias	A specific package for a specific audience of a specific type
05:15	Alias	Which means that experimental stuff isn't REALLY in that scope
05:15	szabgab	so what just happened on #win32 I think is not good
05:16	szabgab	we should not promote "Padre standalone" instead of "strawberry"
05:16	Alias	Strawberry Professional is the solution here
05:16	szabgab	yes
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05:16	szabgab	or Strawberry + a separate Padre Standalone
05:17	Alias	We aren't really THAT far away from having Strawberry Pro
05:17	Alias	Padre is looking pretty decent now, bio+sdl will work shortly
05:17	szabgab	so people won't run their code on the strawberry that is used for Padre
05:17	Alias	Crypto is looking almost there
05:18	Alias	I suspect we could probably build a beta for the January release
05:18	szabgab	What I don't understand is why do you think "Strawberry" cannot supply experimental distributions?
05:18	Alias	Or just after
05:18	szabgab	or for that matter a "Strawberry-Pro-Alpha" which is just Strawberry + Padre now
05:19	szabgab	so we won't need to promote "Padre Standalone" instead of "Strawberry"
05:20	szabgab	I feel we have some misunderstanding between us regarding Strawberry and Padre, I just can't figure out what and why?
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05:45	Sewi	gm
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05:49	Sewi	ping Alias
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06:20	tracbot	#584: Pasting over the top of a selection no longer works (new defect) [http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/584]
06:20	azawawi	szabgab: tracbot is yours?
06:20	szabgab	nope
06:21	azawawi	who did it?
06:21	Sewi	I promised it.
06:21	Sewi	and now I fixed it.
06:21	azawawi	Sewi++
06:21	Sewi	It ran into an endless loop while parsing the text.
06:21	szabgab	tracbot?
06:21	Sewi	yes
06:21	azawawi	Sewi: could you do one thing for me? insert space between [ ] so that it is clickable in mibbit?
06:21	szabgab	Hyppolit, tracbot is run by Sewi
06:21	Hyppolit	tracbot was unknown
06:21	Hyppolit	tracbot is now run by Sewi
06:22	Sewi	It was looking for the ------+-------, but trac auto-formats this with different counts of --- and I didn't expect this :-(
06:23	azawawi	Sewi: when i click the link, i get "http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/584]"
06:23	Sewi	changed.
06:23	azawawi	cool
06:23	szabgab	Hyppolit, ilbot2 is owned my Moritz Lenz (see him on #perl6 on irc.freenode.net)
06:23	Hyppolit	was unknown
06:23	Hyppolit	is now owned my Moritz Lenz (see him on #perl6 on irc.freenode.net)
06:23	szabgab	pastebin?
06:23	azawawi	owned my/owned by/ ?
06:24	szabgab	Hyppolit, ilbot2 is owned by Moritz Lenz (see him on #perl6 on irc.freenode.net)
06:24	Hyppolit	was owned my Moritz Lenz (see him on #perl6 on irc.freenode.net)
06:24	Hyppolit	is now owned by Moritz Lenz (see him on #perl6 on irc.freenode.net)
06:24	Sewi	Hyppolit, who is tracbot?
06:24	Hyppolit	who was unknown
06:24	Hyppolit	who is now tracbot?
06:24	Sewi	I don't understand this feature :-)
06:24	szabgab	tarcebot?
06:25	azawawi	Hyppolit, who is szabgab?
06:25	Hyppolit	who was tracbot?
06:25	Hyppolit	who is now szabgab?
06:25	szabgab	tracebot?
06:25	Sewi	No, Hyppolit's "is" capability
06:25	szabgab	?
06:25	Hyppolit	is owned by Moritz Lenz (see him on #perl6 on irc.freenode.net)
06:25	azawawi	Hyppolit, szabgab is Gabor Szabo
06:25	Hyppolit	szabgab was my master
06:25	Hyppolit	szabgab is now Gabor Szabo
06:25	szabgab	Hyppolit, tracebot is run by Sewi
06:25	Hyppolit	tracebot was unknown
06:25	Hyppolit	tracebot is now run by Sewi
06:25	azawawi	szabgab?
06:25	Hyppolit	szabgab is Gabor Szabo
06:25	azawawi	interesting
06:25	Sewi	yes
06:26	* Sewi	waits for cron to restart tracbot
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06:28	Sewi	hyppolit?
06:28	Alias	Hyppolit: status
06:28	szabgab	Hyppolit?
06:28	Hyppolit	Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.04
06:28	Hyppolit	My master is szabgab.
06:29	Sewi	Alias: Hi, how did you get the error on ticket 584? I tried copiing a block and pasting it over a selection and it worked as expected.
06:29	Alias	weird
06:29	Alias	Win32?
06:29	Sewi	Ubuntu gnome
06:29	Alias	Wonder if it's platform specific
06:30	Alias	hrm
06:30	Alias	Working in 0.46 on my work machine
06:30	Alias	It was happening on my home desktop
06:30	Sewi	azawawi, szabgab: Would you try it out?
06:30	Alias	I'll look into it later
06:30	Alias	I MIGHT have an older releaes
06:30	Alias	So this could be a mistake
06:30	szabgab	seems to work ok on my machine
06:32	azawawi	It wasnt working on vista, now it is working on xp
06:32	Alias	OK, you can reject the bug then
06:32	Alias	oh!
06:32	Alias	My home machine is Vista
06:32	Alias	That might be a factor
06:34	azawawi	Alias, szabgab: regarding six distro, i typed a couple of stuff only to discover that i was dc
06:34	Sewi	szabgab: Do you want tracbot's source to integrate it into Hyppolit?
06:34	Sewi	For completing ticket http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/559
06:35	azawawi	Alias,szabgab: i think we need to move six to a separate Alien::Rakudo::Win32 so people can depend on it on various other projects
06:35	szabgab	Alias, back to Strawberry, is there a reason (besides lack of time) that there is no public roadmap on what things will be included in Strawberry and in Strawberry-Pro and approx when?
06:35	azawawi	Alias,szabgab: and maybe start a Perl 6 cpan ecosystem
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06:36	szabgab	Sewi, I'll look at the trac database first as I don't think I'd like to look at e-mails
06:36	szabgab	hi meironc
06:37	szabgab	azawawi, there are all kinds of discussions on how cpan needs to change for perl 6 but I have not been involved that lately
06:39	azawawi	szabgab: i see
06:39	Alias	szabgab: Mostly because things get included once they work
06:39	Alias	So there's maybe 10 things we'd like to have at any given time
06:39	Alias	And people experiment
06:40	Alias	And then we choose what's in the next version a month before based on what actually works at that point
06:40	Alias	And put out a beta
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06:42	Alias	oops, hit reset
06:43	szabgab	Alias, I think even if you cannot give dates it would be important to let people know - on the Strawberry web site - the list of those things
06:43	szabgab	and the general process
06:43	Alias	We don't know them until the next release
06:43	Alias	I agree we've needed a "nasty technical details" page for a while
06:43	szabgab	you do have ideas what kinds of things you would like to include, don't you?
06:44	Alias	"More"
06:44	szabgab	it is that people would like to know what to expect
06:44	Alias	Mostly :)
06:44	Alias	Fair enough
06:44	Alias	I might do up something like SQLite
06:44	szabgab	and maybe even how can they help
06:44	meironc	szabgab hi
06:44	szabgab	meironc, hi
06:44	Alias	"Things that are close", "Things we are working on", "Things that will take a long time", "Things we won't be adding"
06:44	szabgab	Alias, sound good
06:45	Alias	I found that quite a nice format for SQLite
06:46	meironc	alias are you a widows user?
06:46	Hyppolit	svn: r7945 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7945
06:46	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed Pod typos and updated the navigation section
06:46	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/
06:46	Alias	meironc: Windows on the desktop, Linux on the server
06:47	meironc	alias I keep having a problem with a code. I cannot see the error message.
06:47	azawawi	meironc: on win32?
06:47	meironc	I hit the "paues" key but it flashes to quickly to see
06:47	meironc	Vista
06:48	azawawi	meironc: padre version?
06:48	meironc	padre 0.45
06:49	azawawi	meironc: that issue was fixed in 0.46. Please upgrade :)
06:49	meironc	azawawi upgrade same as he first time?
06:50	azawawi	meironc: perl -MCPAN -e "CPAN->upgrade('/^Padre/')"
06:50	azawawi	meironc: in the command line
06:51	azawawi	meironc: take a look at this http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.co[…]in-padre-046.html
06:53	Hyppolit	svn: r7946 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7946
06:53	Hyppolit	[Padre] Updated Changes
06:53	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/
07:01	szabgab	now that Padre finally has a German page http://padre.perlide.org/howto.de.html maybe others will also create similar pages in other languages
07:02	Alias	Does that automatically locale-switch?
07:02	Alias	azawawi: Did you see my issue with the F2 help on operators?
07:03	azawawi	Alias: yeah
07:03	azawawi	Alias: it is on my todo list
07:03	Alias	great
07:04	Alias	If you wanted to just do it via special casing, PPI has a hard-coded list of pretty much all the operators as a single qw{}
07:04	azawawi	Alias: I am going through all the annoying things that prevent me from using Padre on win32
07:04	* Alias	too
07:04	Alias	Although not as fast as I'd like
07:04	azawawi	Alias: commenting, wperl...
07:04	azawawi	Alias: syntax checking is not working properly on win32
07:04	Alias	I start fixing the multi-line comment last night
07:05	Alias	The syntax thing is weird, because when we were just using vanilla Scintilla, it worked fine
07:05	Alias	Are we doing some kind of magical engancement now?
07:05	azawawi	Alias: the annoying thing with STC is that new lines are counted as positions
07:06	Alias	BTW, one annoyance I find with the highlight thing (which I love) is that it only works on double-click
07:06	azawawi	Alias: it is on my todo list :)
07:06	Alias	If double-click can't accurately work out what to choose, there's no way to get manual drag-select on a single line to do it
07:06	azawawi	Alias: i have also to limit it to +100/-100 lines
07:06	Alias	Which is fine most of the time, I think
07:07	Alias	Although, Padre::Search is damned fast...
07:07	azawawi	Alias: on notepad++, they limit it to +400/-400 lines
07:07	azawawi	Alias: but that's C++ :)
07:07	Alias	I do understand that it's entirely in the foreground of course, so speed is a good thing
07:07	azawawi	Alias: im fixing the multi-line commenting at the moment for win32
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07:13	meironc	szabgab an error keep coming up now that padre can't find a file that I created. I tried the file name alone and as seen. http://pastebin.com/d61d6f5f7
07:14	Alias	azawawi: I mostly wanted to address the situation where the final position of the selection range is at column 0
07:15	Sewi	What do you mean by "padre can't find a file"? Does your script die?
07:15	Alias	azawawi: I want to NOT comment/uncomment those end lines if no bytes are actually selecting on the leading/trailing lines
07:17	meironc	sewi the error is "No such file or directory at C:\Users/me/Desktop/Dark files/badopen.plx line 6
07:19	Sewi	meironc: Ok, this is a Perl error message, not a Padre error. I don't run Perl on Win, so I can't say if c:/ is right or if you need C:\ or C:\\
07:23	meironc	azawawi an error keep coming up now. Padre can't find a file that I created. I tried the file name alone and as seen. http://pastebin.com/d61d6f5f7
07:29	Sewi	meironc: Try this script, please http://pastebin.com/d329129db
07:31	azawawi	sorry i was away a bit
07:31	szabgab	meironc, I'd also suggest to create a file in c:\\Users\\mei\\file.txt and try to open that file in your script
07:32	szabgab	and also try this: my $file = "c:\\Users\\mei\\file.txt"; open INPUT, "$file or warn "$! <$file>\n"
07:32	szabgab	oh he is now gone
07:32	tracbot	#585: Implement a Perl Critic test script (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/585 ]
07:32	Sewi	Which is the right syntax for windows 'C:\', 'C:/' or 'C:\\'?
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07:33	azawawi	C:/ and C:\ works
07:33	szabgab	either double \\ or / should also work
07:33	szabgab	meironc, see:
07:33	szabgab	try this: my $file = "c:\\Users\\mei\\file.txt"; open INPUT, "$file or warn "$! <$file>\n"
07:36	azawawi	from yellowbrain.com/stc page, "Sept 2009: If you are using these pages - please send an email to webmaster at yellowbrain.com. If I don't hear from anyone by 1/2010 these pages will go away."
07:38	tsee	Mail dispatched.
07:38	Alias	sent
07:38	tsee	Just in case, someone should probably do a wget copy.
07:38	tsee	Can't republish his work, but for "internal" use, I guess it'd be fair enough.
07:39	meironc	it still gave me the same error. http://pastebin.com/d39a6b0c
07:40	meironc	here is the code
07:40	meironc	http://pastebin.com/d2b25ee5
07:40	azawawi	tsee: thanks
07:40	tsee	azawawi, thanks for drawing attention to it.
07:41	tsee	Question: How do you read the use.perl.org journals? Via the journal search? That's stopped working for me. Is there another way to get an overview over the posts from the past week(s)?
07:43	szabgab	meironc, that's a perl syntax error
07:43	szabgab	you have an extra " in front of $file
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07:57	meironc	szabgab here is is the error with the ". http://pastebin.com/d5cf5a9b3
07:58	szabgab	it should be open INPUT, $file or warn $! "<$file>\n";
07:58	szabgab	sorry
07:58	szabgab	it should be open INPUT, $file or warn "$! <$file>\n";
08:09	meironc	szabgab with the correction it gives an error and can not find the file. http://pastebin.com/d1462869a
08:10	szabgab	meironc, and you say you do have a file called c:\Users\mei\file.txt ?
08:13	meironc	szabgab no I have the file called c:\Users\mei\Desktop\Dark files\nlexample.txt
08:14	meironc	do you think I should put the text file in the c:\strawberry\perl.. folder?
08:14	szabgab	so it is not surprising it cannot find it right? Create a file called c:\Users\mei\file.txt
08:14	szabgab	and then run the script
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08:22	meironc	szabgab I ran the file c:\Users\mei\file.txt an it ran correctly. do you think it has some thing to do with a lon file extention?
08:22	szabgab	meironc, so you say your script could open the c:\Users\mei\file.txt file
08:23	szabgab	I would not try to create a subdirectory with a space in the name, then create .txt file in that directory and try if that works
08:23	szabgab	I would now (instead of not :-)
08:35	meironc	szabgab I have to leave it as c:\Users\mei\file.txt
08:35	szabgab	why?
08:37	meironc	it does not accept anything other then that. I tried c:\Users\mei\Desktop\Padrefiles\file.txt and it gave me an error
08:37	Hyppolit	svn: r7947 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7947
08:37	Hyppolit	[Padre] Another attempt at fixing on win32 ticket:579 "Commenting/uncommenting comments the last unselected line"
08:37	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:41	meironc	szabgab sorry correction my :\Users\mei\Desktop\Padrefiles\file.txt file works human error
08:42	szabgab	meironc, then your resonse should not be "I have to leave it there" but to find out what is the problem with the other places?
08:42	szabgab	oh
08:42	meironc	szabgab thank you for your help
08:42	szabgab	so some can be on your side and other errors might be somewhere else
08:43	szabgab	better find where the problem comes from and fix it
08:43	szabgab	you are welcome
08:46	Hyppolit	svn: r7948 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7948
08:46	Hyppolit	Scheduled duplicate code for removal
08:46	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:47	Sewi	Please look at this change and tell me if you want it to stay (or revoke the change yourself)!
08:53	azawawi	if the check is done in one place then im okay with it
08:54	Sewi	It is done in the open file function in ::Document
08:55	azawawi	Sewi: im refactoring comment_* methods in Main.pm
08:56	azawawi	Sewi: so beware lol
08:56	Sewi	beware of what?
08:56	azawawi	the next commit
08:57	Sewi	:-)
08:57	Hyppolit	svn: r7949 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7949
08:57	Hyppolit	[Padre] Refactored and simplified comment code.
08:57	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
08:57	azawawi	one method instead of 3...
08:58	azawawi	less duplicated code
08:58	Alias	In this case, that is useful
08:58	Alias	Although I hear "less duplicated code" and I wonder if it's you that broken the design of the $Replace_Dialog
08:58	azawawi	:)
08:59	Alias	Because someone decided that instead of my clean "keep functionality out of the gui" Replace dialog, they'd move the replace_all code OUT of the application layer and put it out into the gui where nobody else can use it
08:59	Alias	To "reduce duplicated code"
08:59	Alias	$Someone_That_Also_Uses_Weird_Camel_Case_Variables
08:59	* Alias	looks around the channel evilly
08:59	azawawi	Alias: svn up and please test comment/uncommenting...
09:00	Alias	rgr
09:00	* Alias	releases Test::Script first
09:00	* azawawi	ducks
09:00	Alias	The unbroken version
09:00	Alias	Forgot I didn't actually push it to pause yesterday
09:00	azawawi	Alias: idk what is Replace dialog :)
09:01	Alias	Padre::Wx::Dialog::Replace
09:01	szabgab	Alias, I think we need more comments in the code on design decisions
09:01	Alias	Now I'm on the interweb I can find out :)
09:01	szabgab	and reasons for specific code
09:01	Alias	true
09:02	Hyppolit	svn: r7950 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7950
09:02	Hyppolit	Adding message saying why doing replace_all in the gui is a bad idea
09:02	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
09:02	azawawi	i guess we have a better commenting in/out/toggled code that works on win32/linux
09:02	Alias	Just so happens that I wrote one up at home last night :)
09:02	azawawi	damn cr lf
09:03	szabgab	and I won't hand out commit bits so quickly so we can be sure we are on the same wave with the new people, a few patches via trac should not break anyone
09:03	Alias	I'd rather keep the commit rate up
09:03	Alias	This is somewhat a problem of our own success
09:03	Alias	Good problems to have
09:03	szabgab	I am running a project in which I am trying to direct totally newbies to padre
09:03	szabgab	people with no background in perl
09:04	Alias	It's an incentive to try and encode more automated testing and checking
09:04	szabgab	some without any background in programming
09:04	Alias	I think one showed up in #win32 yesterday :)
09:04	szabgab	you saw some of them here
09:04	szabgab	maybe also on #win32 though I am not sure as they are only now learning how to use IRC
09:05	azawawi	could everyone test toggle comment on linux/win32 to make sure it is fixed?
09:05	Sewi	I didn't find any reference to Padre::Wx::Dialog::Text, is anybody using it or is it an old file which was never removed?
09:09	Hyppolit	svn: r7951 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7951
09:09	Hyppolit	Whitespace tweaks
09:09	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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09:10	Hyppolit	svn: r7952 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7952
09:10	Hyppolit	Moving to a more natural ordering. Open Example moves to below Open... and the Close Project menu entries move about Close All menu entries.
09:10	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
09:11	Hyppolit	svn: r7953 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7953
09:11	Hyppolit	Whitespace tweak
09:11	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Transform/
09:12	Hyppolit	svn: r7954 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7954
09:12	Hyppolit	Added a return value
09:12	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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09:14	Hyppolit	svn: r7955 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7955
09:14	Hyppolit	Minor tidying
09:14	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
09:16	Hyppolit	svn: r7956 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7956
09:16	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed right click toggle comments functionality...
09:16	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
09:16	Hyppolit	svn: r7957 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7957
09:16	Hyppolit	Minor tidying
09:16	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/lib/Padre/
09:19	Hyppolit	svn: r7958 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7958
09:19	Hyppolit	Put the perlcritic.ini file in the wrong place
09:19	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/ trunk/Padre/xt/
09:20	Hyppolit	svn: r7959 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7959
09:20	Hyppolit	Rename
09:20	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/xt/
09:21	Hyppolit	svn: r7960 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7960
09:21	Hyppolit	[Padre] Unixified the line endings. Thanks for t/13-eol.t :)
09:21	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
09:25	Hyppolit	svn: r7961 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7961
09:25	Hyppolit	Added "Open URL", Padre::File wouldn't be usabel otherwise
09:25	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
09:26	Hyppolit	svn: r7962 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7962
09:26	Hyppolit	Perl tidy
09:26	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
09:31	Alias	Sewi: Um, interesting text box
09:31	Alias	It's 10 rows high! :)
09:32	Sewi	Alias: I just re-used the existing one :-) It's far far away from my Wx skills to create it myself :-(
09:34	Alias	It's not THAT hard :)
09:35	Sewi	I guess, but I never did real GUI dev besides HTML and VisualBasic. I should get a good book or so, but currently anyway no time to work into it :-(
09:36	azawawi	Sewi: complete the functionality and i'll do the UI :)
09:36	Sewi	azawawi: I'm on my way cleaning -f's, -s's and other things up :)
09:36	Alias	Hell, I'll do the UI now, I need the practice
09:36	Sewi	:-)
09:36	Alias	Makes a pretty good demo too
09:37	Sewi	http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/583
09:37	Sewi	This is what I'ld _like_ to do :-)
09:37	azawawi	Open URL has a good potential when demo-ing perl 6 examples / training...
09:38	azawawi	6-day holiday coming up here :)
09:38	azawawi	lots of time to hack...
09:40	azawawi	on_idle event on win32 is not called until you open up a menu or lose focus...
09:44	Hyppolit	svn: r7963 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7963
09:44	Hyppolit	Fixed open dialog
09:44	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
09:44	azawawi	it is "Functions" window or "Subs" window?
09:47	Hyppolit	svn: r7964 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7964
09:47	Hyppolit	[Padre] Renamed "Subs" to "Functions" for consistency
09:47	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
09:47	Hyppolit	svn: r7965 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7965
09:47	Hyppolit	Changes
09:47	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/
09:54	Hyppolit	svn: r7966 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7966
09:54	Hyppolit	Merged file-interaction on open in one place
09:54	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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09:55		Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.46, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download \| Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today \| Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
09:57	Hyppolit	svn: r7967 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7967
09:57	Hyppolit	Perl tidy
09:57	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
10:03	Alias	azawawi: I've decided I prefer Functions, it's more generic and Subs sounds kind of crude
10:03	Alias	It's the English speaker in me prefering french derived words to non-french
10:03	azawawi	Alias: done... :)
10:04	azawawi	http://openpandora.org/
10:05	azawawi	Those ARM-based very-cheap netbooks are going to be really cool
10:06	Alias	Intersting
10:07	azawawi	kthakore from #sdl told me about it last night...
10:09	azawawi	Sewi: el-pingo
10:09	Sewi	azawawi: pong
10:10	azawawi	Sewi: last commit seems to haven broken t/70-document.t
10:10	azawawi	Sewi: s/haven/have
10:10	Sewi	sorry, didn't run make test myself this time.
10:10	azawawi	np
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10:38	szabgab	azawawi, yeah, I guess kthakore has some interest in that, have you seens the screen on that picture at openpandora?
10:38	azawawi	yeah what about it?
10:39	szabgab	my daughter will love me forever if I buy one for her
10:39	szabgab	it is running frozen bubble
10:39	azawawi	padre over openpanadora...
10:40	azawawi	szabgab: im going to help them with the packaging and documentation of SDL...
10:40	azawawi	szabgab: simpler version schemas, more integration with Padre
10:40	szabgab	that's great
10:41	szabgab	you could start by adding a menu to F2 window to list all the SDL methods and their missing documentation :-)
10:53	kthakore	szabgab: yay!!!
10:53	szabgab	ayay
10:53	kthakore	szabgab: FB on OpenPandora will be amazing!!!!
10:53	kthakore	szabgab: you will get the first version after I learn ARM assembly
10:54	szabgab	kthakore, do you mean what we see on that picture is not really running our FB?
10:54	kthakore	szabgab: thats version 1.0
10:55	kthakore	or prior no networking in that one
10:55	kthakore	I was talking about v2.0
10:55	kthakore	and its still a little slow
10:55	kthakore	SDL::ARM should be made which hocks in to SDL arm assembly code
10:55	kthakore	s/hocks/hooks
10:57	kthakore	assuming there is SDL arm hooks
10:57	kthakore	... have to looking to that
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11:08	Hyppolit	svn: r7968 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7968
11:08	Hyppolit	Fixed test errors
11:08	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:09	Hyppolit	svn: r7969 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7969
11:09	Hyppolit	Fixed 70-document.t:
11:09	Hyppolit	- Advoid loading Padre->ide
11:09	Hyppolit	- Fixed test on perl5_with_perl6_example.pod
11:09	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
11:09	azawawi	Sewi: thanks...
11:10	Sewi	azawawi: thanks for pointing me on this. It's not perfect, but should do the job now.
11:10	azawawi	you cant achieve perfection :)
11:10	* Sewi	is not borg
11:11	azawawi	that's what i like about the Perl community
11:11	azawawi	everyday i learn a new trick
11:12	Hyppolit	svn: r7970 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7970
11:12	Hyppolit	Added Open URL dialog
11:12	Hyppolit	trunk/wxglade/
11:13	Sewi	Alias: thanks
11:13	Alias	Sewi: That's just a mock up using wxGlade
11:14	Alias	Step 2 - Created the basic empty Wx dialog
11:14	tracbot	#583: Open dialog for browsing using Padre::File (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/583 ]
11:15	Sewi	tracbot, why do you come up with this again?
11:17	Hyppolit	svn: r7971 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7971
11:17	Hyppolit	Adding OpenURL skeleton
11:17	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
11:19	Alias	OK, so that's a simple constructor for one of our dialogs
11:21	Alias	The pure Wx ones, not the basic Wx::Dialog stuff, which isn't bad for a first cut but tends to come out fairly ugly
11:32	szabgab	Alias, if you are already doing wx stuff, maybe you can fix Wx::Perl::Dialog so we can move it out from the Padre package
11:32	szabgab	and let people use it stand-alone
11:40	azawawi	&
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11:41	Alias	szabgab: I'm not entirely sure it's fixable
11:41	Hyppolit	svn: r7972 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7972
11:41	Hyppolit	Adding Padre::File::HTTP
11:41	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
11:42	Sewi	It works, but Padre needs to be more Padre::File - enabled to really open a URL
11:42	Alias	It's based on fixed widths, I'm not sure how we fix that exactly
11:43	Sewi	Alias: I was talking about Padre::File::HTTP :-)
11:44	szabgab	Alias, so unfix it
11:45	szabgab	maybe a full replace?
11:45	Sewi	Hmm, fix = remove bugs ... unfix = ? :-)
11:46	szabgab	change it so it won't be fixed width
11:46	szabgab	unfix = change it so it won't be fixed width
11:46	Sewi	szabgab: I understood what you meant, but it was a nice wording :-)
11:46	szabgab	:)
11:47	submersible1	?!?!?
11:47	submersible1	ftw
11:49	Alias	submersible1: welcome back to the internets
11:50	Hyppolit	svn: r7973 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7973
11:50	Hyppolit	Make the project dir ignore of non-local files
11:50	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:50	submersible1	oh noes
11:50	Hyppolit	svn: r7974 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7974
11:50	Hyppolit	Add a protocol identifier
11:50	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
11:51	submersible1	zombie submersible still here
11:51	Alias	burn him!
11:51	Alias	Sewi: OK, step 3 - Add the controls
11:51	Alias	(I hope you're looking at these files as we go
11:51	* submersible1	takes aim...
11:53	submersible	heheh - event lag
11:56	Sewi	Alias: thanks
11:57	Hyppolit	svn: r7975 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7975
11:57	Hyppolit	Added form components for the OpenURL dialog, without any layout
11:57	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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11:58	Alias	As you can see, that's the same as the non-layout bits of the autogenerated code, just reformatted
11:58	Alias	Next, I'll add the layout code
11:59	Alias	Unfortunately, wxGlade likes to make more things object attributes than I like
11:59	Alias	Like sizers and what not
11:59	Alias	So I'm converting pretty much everything in the __do_layout section to lexical variables
11:59	Alias	Rather than actual attributes
12:01	Hyppolit	svn: r7976 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7976
12:01	Hyppolit	Until we convert them from wxFoo to Padre's Wx::wxFoo style, we need to temporarily add the constant imports
12:01	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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12:02	Hyppolit	svn: r7977 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7977
12:02	Hyppolit	Ignore changed-on-disk if file type has no mtime
12:02	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
12:02	Hyppolit	svn: r7978 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7978
12:02	Hyppolit	Bulk dump the raw wxGlade layout code into the constructor
12:02	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:03	* submersible	grinds on stale branch merges
12:03	Hyppolit	svn: r7979 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7979
12:03	Hyppolit	Perl tidy
12:03	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
12:05	Hyppolit	svn: r7980 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7980
12:05	Hyppolit	Convert the attributes to lexicals, there's no shame in keeping the plain "sizer_1" and "sizer_2" if you can't think of a better name
12:05	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:07	submersible	damn u Alias!
12:07	submersible	you've made 5 commits and I am still merging...
12:07	submersible	STILL
12:07	Sewi	:-)
12:07	* submersible	curbs the rage
12:07	Alias	Well, I normally wouldn't do it like this
12:08	Alias	I'm setting up for a talk on writing Wx dialogs
12:08	submersible	Sewi: what is the strategy w/ ::File
12:08	Alias	By doing highly broken incremental commits so I can leach of Trac's diff'ing HTML stuff
12:08	Sewi	submersible: It should solve ticket 12: Add SSH and FTP editing capabilities
12:09	submersible	Sewi: yes - but u mentioned sshfs recently
12:09	Sewi	I'm currently using sshfs and it works find.
12:09	Sewi	s/find/fine/
12:09	submersible	like a fuse driver
12:09	submersible	?
12:09	Sewi	It is.
12:10	Alias	submersible: The logic goes 1. We want SSH open 2. So we add special casing for it 3. Now we have a bunch of if/else 4. Then we want another source 5. Now there's three ugly if/else everywhere 6. So we make a generic API for it 7. We can't use a raw filesystem API module because they aren't designed for an asynchronous application with background tasks
12:10	submersible	at the OS level?
12:10	Sewi	But only on Linux and if you installed the required packages
12:10	Alias	8. So we make a highly task-specific API that just does the smallest parts of what we need
12:10	submersible	one thread for Padre::File .. as a service
12:11	Alias	It's hard to say what the "right" way would be without trying it
12:11	Alias	9. So we write one to throw away
12:11	Alias	If you allocate a dedicated task, what happens when you want to save a file and display the directory tree at the same time
12:12	submersible	true
12:12	Sewi	submersible: sshfs is not a speed issue. local file access doesn't require a dedicated thread.
12:13	submersible	but if u cannot persist an ftp or ssh session (without cheating by mandating the OS do it for you)
12:13	Alias	Sewi: Are you the one that does the $Capitalised_Variables?
12:13	Sewi	Alias: sometimes. I'm trying not to do it.
12:13	Alias	Sewi: Just checking :)
12:14	Alias	Sewi: I think when you tried to "remove redundant code" in the replace dialog, you broke it
12:14	Alias	The dialog was meant to just be a thin wrapper around the related ::Wx::Main methods
12:15	Sewi	I havn't been on the replace dialog for some time and it still works here. What is broken?
12:15	Alias	When you moved the replace_all logic out of main and into the dialog, you changed the way it works
12:15	Alias	Undo doesn't work any more
12:15	Alias	If you do a replace all, the undo only happens one replace at a time
12:15	Alias	So if you accidentally replace 100 things, you need to undo 100 times
12:15	Alias	I'm only guessing it was you because of the casing :)
12:16	Sewi	I think you're right, but this was some time ago. I didn't notice, because it's default behaviour on other editors...
12:17	Sewi	Hmm, but I don't think they do it on "uncontrolled" replace-all
12:17	Hyppolit	svn: r7981 \| submersible_toaster++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7981
12:17	Hyppolit	blind merge extinct branch from trunk7976
12:17	Hyppolit	branches/Padre-Index/ branches/Padre-Index/eg/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/Config/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/DB/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/DocBrowser/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/Document/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/File/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/HelpProvider/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre
12:17	submersible	kabom
12:19	Hyppolit	svn: r7982 \| submersible_toaster++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7982
12:19	Hyppolit	catchup merge trunk @7980
12:19	Hyppolit	branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/File/ branches/Padre-Index/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:19	Sewi	Sorry, Alias.
12:19	submersible	good grief
12:33	Hyppolit	svn: r7983 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7983
12:33	Hyppolit	Reorganise the reorder the form layout to be much more maintainable
12:33	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:34	Alias	OK, so now there's a layout that matches the look and feel we created with wxGlade
12:34	Alias	Next I'll do the wxFOO to Wx::wxFOO clean up
12:35	Sewi	Alias: FYI, r7982 fails OpenURL.pm on 10-copyright and 13-eol
12:36	Alias	oh shit
12:36	Alias	The other thing you change did was turn replace all into an infinite loop
12:36	Alias	Which I just triggered
12:36	Sewi	I'll look at it as soon as I finished the test for padre-file.
12:36	Alias	Can you maybe see if you can dig out those Replace changes and revert them? :)
12:37	Alias	When you get a chance of course :)
12:37	Alias	Sewi: Yep, I'm adding OpenURL in an intentionally broken way
12:38	Hyppolit	svn: r7984 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7984
12:38	Hyppolit	Detect undef and empty filenames
12:38	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
12:39	Hyppolit	svn: r7985 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7985
12:39	Hyppolit	Test for Padre::File
12:39	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
12:39	Alias	So what does eol look for?
12:39	Sewi	Don't know, just ran make test and it complained.
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12:40	Alias	hrm
12:41	Alias	The case sensitivity option in replace now works backwards
12:42	rindolf	Hi all.
12:42	rindolf	Hi Alias
12:42	rindolf	Alias: there was something I wanted to ask you.
12:42	rindolf	But I forgot what it was.
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12:43	Alias	Glad I can answer all your questions then
12:43	Hyppolit	svn: r7986 \| submersible_toaster++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7986
12:43	Hyppolit	update/unbreak example
12:43	Hyppolit	branches/Padre-Index/eg/
12:44	Sewi	Alias: I remember... Replace all used to be a button but someone converted it into a checkbox. This broke the functionality and replace_all was ignored. I tried to fix this.
12:47	azawawi	eol.t checks for UNIX EOLs (end of lines)
12:47	azawawi	using Padre::Util::newline_type
12:49	Alias	That's a curious test...
12:50	azawawi	to prevent people committing MIXED, WIN32 files...
12:50	Alias	Wouldn't it be better to change all the files to use svn propset svn:newline = native
12:50	azawawi	s/prevent/try to prevent/
12:51	Alias	That way the svn client will normalise the newlines for us on every action
12:51	El_Che	Linux people: any suggestions for how installing ubuntu packages from the installer? I am working of a proof of concept ubuntu installer
12:52	azawawi	Alias: and when we move to a new version control thingie...? :)
12:53	Alias	azawawi: Solve it again differently?
12:55	azawawi	Alias: i have no problem for it removing it if you want...
12:55	submersible	El_Che: apt-uri ?
12:55	Alias	azawawi: I'm just thinking that a bunch of Win32 people are going to end up checking out the code with default settings
12:55	Alias	azawawi: Which means they'll come out Win32, and basically broken
12:55	Alias	Failing tests from the default checkout
12:56	azawawi	Alias: btw, i removed svn:eol-style from Padre/Wx/Main
12:56	El_Che	submersible: I am not supplying a built binary, but a wrapper for installing packages already in ubuntu (wx and some perl modules) + build padre locally from cpan
12:56	El_Che	maybe building a package would be a better idea
12:56	Alias	Probably
12:57	submersible	yup
12:57	Alias	If you aren't going to do an full blow /opt/padre, then an alternative package source would be the next best thing
12:57	Alias	blown
12:57	submersible	or provide a bleeding repo
12:57	* azawawi	installed a fresh ubuntu 9.04 vm
12:57	submersible	i stalled @ repo maintenance... building and packaging .debs was pretty straighforward
12:58	El_Che	I have never built debs before. I built solaris pkg regularely
12:58	* Alias	just builds giant /opt packages :)
12:58	submersible	yeeees
12:59	El_Che	with the new ubuntu having padre, thing would be alot easier
12:59	El_Che	maybe waiting a month would be a better idea
12:59	Alias	El_Che: Anything packaged is always going to be behind by the time they release it
12:59	Alias	So the real problem is getting people up from the packaged version to the latest, and getting the extra dependencies
13:00	El_Che	Alias: idd, nut now there are a lot of missing perl libs
13:00	El_Che	in one month there would be less so the cpan packaging would be less and gradual
13:01	Alias	That is true
13:01	El_Che	regularely we bump dependecies versions
13:01	El_Che	to ones not on the repositories
13:01	Alias	It should gradually happen less and less
13:01	El_Che	the good news is that a have a gui ready for it
13:01	El_Che	using only present libs on a fresh install
13:01	El_Che	(gtk2-perl)
13:02	Sewi	Alias: I fixed the replace change, but the $main->replace_all seems to be heavy broken :-(
13:02	Hyppolit	svn: r7987 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7987
13:02	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed t/13-eol.t error
13:02	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:02	Alias	How so
13:03	El_Che	howso to me or sewi?
13:03	Alias	Sewi
13:04	* Alias	hits annotate on Main.pm to see if replace_all got changed
13:04	Sewi	1st: Search.pm line 293 seems to be deleted without reason, even the "," at the previous line was there.
13:05	Sewi	2nd: method replace_text doesn't exist.
13:06	Sewi	Alias: http://pastebin.org/18486
13:07	Hyppolit	svn: r7988 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7988
13:07	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed failing 10-copyright.t
13:07	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:08	Alias	wtf
13:08	Alias	Stop touching my file while I'm working on it
13:08	* Alias	slaps azawawi
13:09	El_Che	with a large trout?
13:09	azawawi	Alias: :)
13:09	Hyppolit	svn: r7989 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7989
13:09	Hyppolit	Stop touching my file ijiot
13:09	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:10	Alias	Why is Padre letting me make mixed files
13:10	Alias	It never used to do that
13:10	submersible	it thinks u are all mixed up
13:10	azawawi	yeah i noticed
13:10	Alias	I seem to remember writing a EOL-correction into the paste code
13:10	Alias	So that wouldn't happen
13:10	Alias	Maybe someone "optimised" that too
13:14	Hyppolit	svn: r7990 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7990
13:14	Hyppolit	Fixed one error - others are still there
13:14	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
13:14	Hyppolit	svn: r7991 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7991
13:14	Hyppolit	Fixing newlines, maybe
13:14	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:14	* azawawi	tests commenting over vista and ubuntu...
13:19	Alias	azawawi: It SORTA works
13:19	Alias	It fails if the first line of the selected range has a comment
13:19	Alias	The comment detection needs to be all or nothing
13:20	Alias	If I want to bulk comment 5 lines, it should still add an extra comment if the first one is a comment
13:24	Alias	ok, onwards with the dialog
13:24	Alias	Next, cancel button, blatantly stolen from another dialog
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13:27	Hyppolit	svn: r7992 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7992
13:27	Hyppolit	[Padre] Updated Arabic translation to 100%
13:27	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/share/locale/
13:29	Hyppolit	svn: r7993 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7993
13:29	Hyppolit	[Padre] Open URL... => Open URL
13:29	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
13:30	Hyppolit	svn: r7994 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7994
13:30	Hyppolit	Changes
13:30	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/
13:36	Alias	... normally means "this action will present a dialog to provide more details"
13:41	azawawi	# WIN is usually called WIN32, so WIN remains here for backwards compatiblity: ?
13:42	Hyppolit	svn: r7995 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7995
13:42	Hyppolit	Implement a cancel method and attach the cancel button to the method.
13:42	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:42	azawawi	im looking the EOL conversion code
13:42	azawawi	why do we need WIN and WIN32?
13:47	Hyppolit	svn: r7996 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7996
13:47	Hyppolit	[Padre] Convert to WIN32 instead of legacy WIN (for consistency in status bar)
13:47	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
13:48	Hyppolit	svn: r7997 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7997
13:48	Hyppolit	Put the repaired replace_all function in place, but it crashs on Search.pm, so the old one stays active.
13:48	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:56	Hyppolit	svn: r7998 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7998
13:56	Hyppolit	Added mtime capabilities to Padre::File::HTTP
13:56	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
13:57	Hyppolit	svn: r7999 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7999
13:57	Hyppolit	Add an ok_button method and connect it to the OK button
13:57	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:57	Alias	azawawi: Someone screwed up?
13:59	Hyppolit	svn: r8000 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8000
13:59	Hyppolit	[Padre] Claim the 8k commit and fix the mime type width status bar:)
13:59	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:59	azawawi	alright :)
13:59	Alias	You mean the constants or the newline type?
13:59	azawawi	yeah Editor:mode{...}
13:59	Alias	hrm
13:59	Alias	Probably a bug
14:00	azawawi	Editor line 16
14:00	Alias	weird
14:01	Alias	Might be because of an old configuration file setting
14:01	Alias	Personally, I just say ditch it
14:02	Alias	Although, I'm not sure why someone decided WIN32 was "better"
14:02	Alias	Seems rather annoying to me, just makes it longer and harder to put into the status bar
14:04	* Alias	just noticed commit 8000
14:04	Alias	Bastard
14:04	azawawi	Alias: you do have a point there... win32. what about when win64 becomes the norm?
14:05	azawawi	Alias: hey i won fair and square :)
14:06	azawawi	Alias: what about it drop WIN32 and keep WIN?
14:07	Alias	There is no Win64
14:07	Alias	You know how .NET is a stupid marketing slogan turned into a technology?
14:07	azawawi	http://technet.microsoft.com/e[…]ary/bb496995.aspx
14:07	Alias	Win32 is an official API
14:08	Alias	Win64 is an entirely different API
14:08	azawawi	i have been out of touch with .net for a while.. being in la-la java land :)
14:09	Alias	Win32 was the same thing
14:10	azawawi	you got to love this type: longlong (int64)
14:10	Alias	It just so happened that Windows was going 32 bit at the time, and they needed a name
14:10	Alias	For their new apis, so Win32 it is
14:10	Alias	The newlines have nothing whatsoever to do with the API known as "Win32"
14:10	azawawi	so WIN it is then...
14:21	Alias	inded
14:21	Alias	indeed
14:24	Hyppolit	svn: r8001 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8001
14:24	Hyppolit	[Padre] An end of line is WIN not WIN32 (Win32 is the API). Alias++
14:24	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
14:25	azawawi	8k + 1 commit also not bad :)
14:26	Hyppolit	svn: r8002 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8002
14:26	Hyppolit	Tweaks to a more consistent name
14:26	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
14:26	Hyppolit	svn: r8003 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8003
14:26	Hyppolit	Added HTTP-mtime-test
14:26	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/t/
14:27	Alias	azawawi: Make sure you note in comments so nobody tries to change it back to WIN32
14:27	azawawi	Alias: sure
14:27	* Alias	has been getting WAY more aggressive with comments
14:28	Sewi	7945 - 8003... pretty hacky day :-)
14:28	Alias	Par for the course
14:28	Alias	50 a day is about normal
14:29	Alias	On the other hand, we're at 30 in 2 hours
14:31	Hyppolit	svn: r8004 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8004
14:31	Hyppolit	[Padre] Added cautionary message about adding WIN32 to EOLs again... Alias++
14:31	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:59	tracbot	#587: Padre::Search.pm crash (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/587 ]
15:08	Hyppolit	svn: r8005 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8005
15:08	Hyppolit	Convert the dialog to operate in a modal fashion
15:08	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
15:18	Hyppolit	svn: r8006 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8006
15:18	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed EOLs problem using content detection on load_file and save_file.
15:18	Hyppolit	[Padre] Status bar now actually shows what is the current new line type
15:18	Hyppolit	[Padre] $doc->newline_type now returns 'Mixed' and 'None'
15:18	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
15:19	Hyppolit	svn: r8007 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8007
15:19	Hyppolit	[Padre] UNIX-ified Padre::Document
15:19	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
15:24	azawawi	Alias: have you seen this http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/582 ?
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15:28	Hyppolit	svn: r8008 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8008
15:28	Hyppolit	[Padre] Removed some bad code per t/11-badcode.t that was introduced in r8006
15:28	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
15:32	Alias	azawawi: I know the general problem, yes
15:35	Sewi	Is #252 still open? It seems to be for old Strawberry and Padre versions and hasn't changed for 5 month.
15:37	Sewi	Sorry, updated 6 weeks ago.
15:37	azawawi	we still have Wx::Perl::ProcessStream problems on vista
15:46	azawawi	&
15:47	azawawi	# i may have broken t/71-perl.t, will fix tonight
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15:58	Hyppolit	svn: r8009 \| szabgab++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8009
15:58	Hyppolit	[website] include first version of pod2html
15:58	Hyppolit	trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/inc/Local/Padre/Website/
16:02	Hyppolit	svn: r8010 \| szabgab++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8010
16:02	Hyppolit	somde documentation update
16:02	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/
16:03	szabgab	http://padre.perlide.org/docs/Padre/
16:22	jq	hey, the following plugins cannot be found because of "does not contain an author part
16:22	jq	"
16:22	jq	- Padre::Plugin::PHP
16:22	jq	- Padre::Plugin::NYTProf
16:22	jq	- Padre::Plugin::LineFilter
16:23	jq	==> have they been released on cpan ever?
16:26	Alias	Quite possibly not
16:26	jq	ok, then i understand why i cannot package them for mandriva ! :-)
16:26	Alias	There's quite a few half-assed half-finished plugins floating in the repo :)
16:27	Alias	Point out any of them that you feel might be suitably mature enough to release
16:27	jq	i don't know - i just tried to make sure mandriva has the full set of plugins
16:28	Alias	yup
16:43	Getty	i promote padre ;)
16:49	Hyppolit	svn: r8011 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8011
16:49	Hyppolit	Debugging and testing, the implementation is now completed
16:49	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
16:50	azawawi	cool
16:51	azawawi	hmmm, i found 71-perl.t 's problem ... one-char.pl => 'None'...
16:52	* azawawi	fixing...
16:55	Getty	someone told me, someone here is working on some guide about packaging perls up for windows (with modules and stuff)?
16:56	azawawi	Getty: CSJewell => Curtis Jewell
16:56	Getty	ah ok
16:56	azawawi	Getty: it is either szabgab or CSJewell
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16:59	szabgab	not me
16:59	szabgab	Getty, what do you mean you "promote padre" ?
17:00	Getty	i just made someone on windows hot for perl and directly put him to padre installer
17:00	szabgab	nice
17:03	Getty	i just got one bug all the time with cpan
17:03	Getty	something about a .bat file...
17:04	Hyppolit	svn: r8012 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8012
17:04	Hyppolit	[Padre] Fixed failing t/13-eol.t test
17:04	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
17:07	Getty	http://paste.debian.net/46805/
17:09	azawawi	maybe use c:\strawberry\perl\bin\pl2bat.bat
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17:19	Hyppolit	svn: r8013 \| szabgab++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8013
17:19	Hyppolit	add Hyppolit source code to Padre repository
17:19	Hyppolit	trunk/ trunk/Hyppolit/ trunk/Hyppolit/lib/ trunk/Hyppolit/script/
17:22	Getty	azawawi: but its in the path
17:23	Getty	azawawi: i mean i didnt do anything at all, i just want to install inc::Module::Install via CPAN
17:23	azawawi	cpan Module::Install
17:23	Getty	yeah i did this
17:23	Getty	and had that error
17:23	Getty	thats why i ask
17:23	azawawi	strange
17:24	azawawi	pl2bat does not work?
17:24	Getty	pl2bat.bat is there, the path is there, anything was setupped by the padre installer just fine
17:24	azawawi	what's your PATH?
17:24	szabgab	movie night &
17:24	Getty	mh
17:24	Getty	the PATH in the system config has it
17:24	Getty	but the PATH in cmd doesnt?!
17:25	azawawi	vista?
17:25	Getty	yes
17:25	Getty	sadly
17:25	azawawi	run cmd in administrator...
17:25	Getty	but i am administrator? or you mean really as the account administrator?
17:26	azawawi	let me remember how to do it
17:26	Getty	and this changes the path?!
17:26	Getty	i mean.....
17:26	Getty	could it be that its something totally different?
17:27	azawawi	http://www.howtogeek.com/howto[…]ws-vista-run-box/
17:28	Getty	hmpf then i must shut down my custom startmenu first, but still, why does that changes?
17:28	Getty	i dont get why changing to administrator fixes the path
17:28	azawawi	cmd in non-administrator = no system %PATH%
17:28	azawawi	happened to me a couple of time
17:28	azawawi	s
17:29	azawawi	i disabled user account control in the end :)
17:29	azawawi	right click command prompt and run as administrator
17:29	azawawi	and then echo %PATH%
17:30	azawawi	and run it without administrator and echo %PATH to verify
17:30	Getty	but where is the part to setup the system path?
17:30	Getty	i mean where are those paths that are there?
17:30	Getty	somewhere it must be set
17:30	Getty	ActivePerl setupped there paths there
17:30	Getty	their paths there
17:33	azawawi	Getty: there is system path, and user path environment variables
17:34	Getty	funnily, MSYS installed ONLY in the user path, and not in the system path
17:34	Getty	really? i dont see it in my environment variables setup
17:34	azawawi	the top one is user
17:34	Getty	but there is no path
17:34	azawawi	the bottom is system
17:35	azawawi	yeah if you add it then you'll see in user
17:35	Getty	but i already got a different PATH as user
17:35	Getty	so where is this list?
17:35	azawawi	you have to add it if you need it
17:35	azawawi	it will be added to system path by win32
17:35	Getty	you probably dont get it
17:36	azawawi	so in admin mode: path = system %PATH% + user %PATH%
17:36	Getty	i already got a different PATH as user
17:36	Getty	where is that different path?
17:36	azawawi	in user mode it seems to limited win32 path + user %PATH
17:36	Getty	if i dont have a user PATH variable in the setup?
17:36	Getty	this different PATH has some installed software in it
17:36	Getty	so it must be set somewhere
17:37	azawawi	okay let us backtrack a little
17:37	azawawi	give me output :)
17:37	azawawi	what's ur system PATH
17:37	azawawi	and what's your user PATH
17:37	Getty	the system path has in it: c:\strawberry\perl\bin
17:37	Getty	the user path hasnt
17:37	azawawi	aha
17:37	Getty	but both include c:\perl\bin (which i moved) which comes from the activeperl installation
17:38	Getty	so the installer did something wrong, missed to setup the c:\strawberry\perl\bin in that way activeperl does
17:38	Getty	so this i want to find out now
17:38	azawawi	strawberry installer?
17:38	Getty	i used the padre installer
17:38	azawawi	it installs only to system path...
17:38	Getty	but if i use CPAN Client of the Startmenue
17:39	Getty	i dont have system path
17:39	Getty	that is bad for the user, or? :)
17:39	Getty	thats why my CPAN install failed
17:39	Getty	(you know, padre installs a button for using CPAN, that one i used, as a good user of course :) )
17:40	azawawi	yeah there are some glitches regarding user mode installations
17:40	Getty	so lets wipe them out :)
17:40	Getty	i can tell CSJewell then
17:41	azawawi	that's CSJewell's territory :)
17:41	Getty	i know
17:41	Getty	so we need that path now
17:41	Getty	where it is defined
17:41	Getty	what is the default user path
17:41	Getty	it must be some registry entry, i just search for the path in it
18:02	Hyppolit	svn: r8014 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8014
18:02	Hyppolit	[Padre] a very ugly hack to fix a contradicting test case:
18:02	Hyppolit	[Padre] when you use Padre->ide, 71-perl.t works but 11-badcode.t complains
18:02	Hyppolit	[Padre] when you write 'good' code, 71-perl.t fails since there is no $self->main->config
18:02	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
18:07	Sewi	azawawi: I just fixed the same issue for the document test today using a workaround.
18:08	Sewi	azawawi: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]t%2F70-document.t
18:12	azawawi	hmmm sounds nice
18:13	azawawi	Now the question is the "None" case, is it really useful?
18:13	azawawi	when there is no line endings (a one liner or empty script).
18:14	Hyppolit	svn: r8015 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8015
18:14	Hyppolit	[Padre] Updated Changes
18:14	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/
18:15	azawawi	assume the default when it is "None" ?
18:19	Hyppolit	svn: r8016 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8016
18:19	Hyppolit	[Padre] Updated Changes again..
18:19	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/
18:22	azawawi	Sewi: pingo
18:27	Sewi	pongo
18:28	Alias	azawawi: Oh man, seriously
18:28	Alias	azawawi: That's an EVIL hack
18:29	Alias	Nothing in Editor.pm should even be called when there's no ->main->config yet
18:30	azawawi	so the default in that case is Padre::Constant::NEWLINE right?
18:31	azawawi	the issue is not that if you think of it
18:31	azawawi	it is the "None" case
18:31	azawawi	"None" maps to default user configured line endings
18:31	Alias	I think you override it in t::lib::Editor
18:31	Alias	Not in the core
18:32	azawawi	or "None" maps to Padre::Constant::NEWLINE (i think this is more correct)... i.e. None is not displayed to the used, only MIXED,WIN,MAC and UNIX
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18:32	azawawi	s/used/user
18:32	Alias	Copy/paste that method into the t::lib version and hack it in place there
18:33	azawawi	sure but what do u think about what i said above?
18:35	Sewi	azawawi: Pong
18:36	azawawi	Sewi: take a look at what i said above...
18:37	Getty	azawawi: i cant find it, and the funny part is, even if i run the CPAN client as administrator it fails
18:37	Getty	oh even the cmd line as admin doesnt give the path... man i think my path is to long or something...
18:38	azawawi	Getty: or maybe a missing semicolon ';'
18:38	Alias	http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/39642
18:39	Alias	Sewi: A log of what I did to make your gui stuff, so you have a chance to do it yourself next time :)
18:39	Getty	i shorten my path, reinstall padre and restart the system and then try again
18:39	Alias	szabgab: You may find that entry of interest to many people wondering about making GUI code
18:39	* Alias	bed
18:40	Sewi	Alias: Thank you! It would have taken me weeks to do this :-)
18:53	tsee	use.perl.org--
18:53	tsee	I WANT MY JOURNAL FEED BACK!
18:56	tsee	Alias++ # great blog post. (I wish I could see it in my use.perl.org feed)
18:56	* azawawi	tests the next rakudo release
18:57	azawawi	tsee: what's interesting in parrot is that tests are now in pir instead of perl
18:57	azawawi	tsee: and it flies...
19:03	azawawi	good night &
19:11	Hyppolit	svn: r8017 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8017
19:11	Hyppolit	This feature was already implemented
19:11	Hyppolit	trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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19:19	Getty	i get crazy... now the cpan client doesnt work anymore
19:20	Getty	ah ok..
19:21	Getty	but Module::Install makes an error... strange... Can't call method "load_all_extensions" on an undefined value at inc/Module/Install.pm line 191.
19:24	Getty	Ah!..... ok, not bound to the padre strawberry installation
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19:35	Sewi	Hi Woody2143
19:35	Woody2143	Howdy
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19:36	Woody2143	Just wanted to check real quick, does padre have something like visual edit mode in vi?
19:36	Woody2143	need to edit a column of text :)
19:37	Sewi	Sorry, I don't know the visual edit mode in vi, what does it do?
19:37	Woody2143	You can make a vertical selection
19:38	Sewi	ok, I understand
19:38	Woody2143	I've been looking through the menus but don't see it. Just wanted to check here before I gave up and kicked over to vi to make the edit
19:39	Sewi	I'm sorry, I don't think Padre could do this currently.
19:40	Woody2143	That's fine
19:40	Woody2143	Just a minor thing really. Otherwise Padre is really useful to me
19:40	Sewi	Do you have a trac account at padre.perlide.org?
19:41	Woody2143	I do not
19:41	Woody2143	Was just there though
19:42	Sewi	Okay, I'll file a feature request for this. If you want, send your e-mail address to me and you'll be kept up-to-date
19:42	Woody2143	Ah, thank you.
19:42	Sewi	Do you use the Vi Plugin for Padre?
19:43	Woody2143	I have it installed
19:43	Woody2143	but have not played with it much
19:43	Woody2143	Let me try it here
19:43	Woody2143	just to see if I missed something
19:45	Woody2143	Ah, it does catch the 'v' key for visual mode, and it does make a selection, but it grabs rows like a normal mouse selection does.
19:47	Sewi	Woody2143: One question left... Which version are you using?
19:49	Woody2143	Well I thought it was 0.46 but I appear to be wrong. I was attempting all of this in 0.44. I am installing 0.46 now. My apologies.
19:50	Sewi	no problem.
19:50	szabgab	Woody2143, we have an open ticket for visual edit mode :-)
19:50	Woody2143	Ah, ok
19:50	szabgab	somewhere
19:50	szabgab	I hope :-)
19:51	Woody2143	I realize there are most likely more important things.
19:51	Sewi	szabgab: I searched through trac and didn't see it.
19:51	szabgab	then open one please
19:51	szabgab	I think it is called rectangular edit
19:51	szabgab	wait, I think we even have it sort of
19:51	szabgab	with some mousy thing STC provides it
19:52	Sewi	http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/1156
19:52	Woody2143	Ok, updated to 0.46
19:52	Getty	if i start a perl in padre... how can i stop it?
19:52	Sewi	got it: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/167
19:53	szabgab	back to bed &
19:53	Woody2143	Thank you both for your help. :)
19:54	Sewi	Woody2143: Thank you for bringing this back to our attention.
20:00	Getty	so?... someone can give me a hint? :)
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20:01	Woody2143	Another thought, and forgive me if this has been brought up before, but has anyone thought of showing the version number on the splash screen?
20:01	Woody2143	Getty - So you started a perl script from padre and it is continuing to run?
20:01	Sewi	Woody2143: I guess, no :-)
20:02	Getty	yeah its made for running endless, but my test is now done, and i want to "Ctrl-C" it ;) but i cant, the "Execute" menu there is no "Stop process" or something ;)
20:02	Woody2143	Does F6 work
20:03	Woody2143	I see it as an option under the Run menu for stopping execution
20:03	Getty	nope
20:03	Woody2143	What version are you running?
20:03	Getty	0.45
20:03	Woody2143	And that option doesn't exist under the Run menu for you?
20:04	Getty	no
20:04	Getty	sorry :)
20:04	Getty	i didnt removed it
20:04	Woody2143	May just have to stop it by hand. Windows or Linux?
20:04	Getty	windows
20:04	Woody2143	No reason to apologize. It may have just been added in 0.46
20:04	Sewi	afair, it was.
20:05	Woody2143	You may have to open the Task Manager and end the process for that script
20:19	Getty	Woody2143: how i define it?
20:19	Getty	or better: how i can update?
20:20	Woody2143	http://padre.perlide.org/howto.html has instructions on upgrading existing installations. This may work for you: Click on "Start", "Run", copy the following command and press ENTER: perl -MCPAN -e "CPAN->upgrade('/^Padre/')"
20:20	Woody2143	If that doesn't work you may have to try
20:20	Woody2143	c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe -MCPAN -e "CPAN->upgrade('/^Padre/')"
20:20	Sewi	thank you woody
20:20	Getty	not that much noob :) thanks
20:21	Woody2143	Sorry, just wanted to make sure all bases were covered.
20:21	Getty	can i use the regexp btw on the cpan console, too, somehow?
20:21	Getty	update /^Padre/ ?
20:21	Woody2143	yeah
20:21	Getty	then i do this
20:21	Getty	thanks :)
20:21	Woody2143	well
20:21	Woody2143	sorry
20:21	Getty	sounds easy
20:21	Getty	i already love it
20:21	Woody2143	r /Padre/ will show you what can be updated with the name padre
20:21	Woody2143	I don't think upgrade /Padre/ works
20:22	Getty	its anyway just one it seems
20:22	Woody2143	ah, it does work with upgrade
20:22	Woody2143	install doesn't like regex, my apologies for being scatter brained there
20:22	Getty	no problem
20:23	Getty	but i must say: perl on windows totally pisses off, if you know how smooth it works under linux
20:23	Woody2143	heh
20:23	Getty	Log::Dispatch, Sys::Syslog made me crazy today
20:23	Getty	force install is my friend
20:23	Woody2143	Yeah, a majority of my work is done number linux, I've not done a lot with the windows version. Though I do have Padre and Git installed so I can pull my code over to work on it while on the go
20:24	Woody2143	as my laptop is windows for reasons not my own. :P
20:25	Woody2143	course Sun's VirtualBox is great if one is stuck on a windows box
20:25	Woody2143	Anyway, I'm running on at the mouth
20:25	Getty	yeah but i do it for windows
20:25	Getty	i want to contribute
20:25	Getty	so... i need windows version
20:29	Getty	NOW i got F6 :D
20:29	Woody2143	Cool
20:29	Getty	i kick CSJewell to update
20:30	Getty	i think that confuses new user very massive
20:31	Sewi	The installers are updated regulary, but not on every release as it's very time-consuming and not easy at all. This is why the installation howto suggests an update after install :-)
20:32	Getty	yeah, understandable, but i think such massive new user irritating problems are forcing it (this time)
20:33	* Sewi	=> bed
20:33	Woody2143	Is there an SVN trunk for the website? I see tickets for adding screenshots and expanding the HOW-TOs that I think I may be able to help with.
20:33	Sewi	gn8 all
20:33	Woody2143	Night Sewi
20:33	Sewi	Woody2143: yes, it is part of the svn
20:34	Woody2143	I'm just missing it then
20:34	Woody2143	Been clicking around looking for it
20:34	Sewi	ask szabgab to open the trac registration for you and append it to the ticket. I'm sorry, but I can't open the registration and he's off :-(
20:34	Woody2143	No worries
20:34	Woody2143	thank you for your help
20:35	Sewi	Or upload your shot somewhere and send me the URL, I'll add it tomorrow
20:36	Sewi	gn8
20:36	Woody2143	Ok. I was also thinking of adding to the How-To docs showing the screen shots with the instructions. I'll see what I can get written up and over to you.
20:44	Woody2143	Ok, I jumped the gun yet again. I found the documentation on the website about pulling the svn trunk for the website and contributing changes.
20:50	Getty	re, had power outage :-/
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20:59	rindolf	Hi all.
20:59	rindolf	szabgab: here?
21:02	Getty	the stop doesnt work
21:12	tracbot	#167: Rectangular editing (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/167#comment:1 ]
21:19	tracbot	#252: Padre 0.42 doesn't build on strawberry perl 5.10.0.6 on Vista x64 Business (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/252#comment:9 ]
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