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00:54 tracbot #191: could not find encoding on OS X 10.5, fails tests (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/191#comment:7 ]
00:54 tracbot #48: Logo ideas (closed task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/48#comment:5 ]
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00:58 Alias You know, I look at that list of logos
00:58 Alias And I wonder, what if we did a different logo for different countries
00:58 Alias Also, when is 0.47 due
00:58 * Alias wants to write a journal post about it, since I'm finding it's quite a big step up in usability
01:14 Getty what?
01:14 Getty different logo for different countries?
01:28 Alias One of the logos incorporates the Chinese word for father
01:28 Alias if ( lang == chinese ) { ... }
01:28 Alias etc
01:29 Ryan52 Alias: soon. tomorrow or wednesday.
01:29 Ryan52 szabgab: can we switch to a different splash image please?
01:29 Ryan52 szabgab: or have you contacted the person again?
01:30 Alias Ryan52: How would you feel about a patch?
01:30 Ryan52 Alias: huh?
01:30 Alias We drop in a "boring splash" file next to the regular one
01:30 Alias So the tarball comes with two
01:30 Alias And debian does a one line patch to the splash screen code (or a file move) to replace the pretty one with the boring one
01:30 Alias Is that tolerable?
01:31 Ryan52 nah, I'd say lets not bother with it.
01:31 Ryan52 I'll just patch it up in Debian if it comes to it.
01:31 Ryan52 and I guess I should just do that..
01:31 Alias That's what I mean
01:32 Ryan52 I mean just removing the splash altogether in Debian.
01:32 Ryan52 less work needed that way.
01:33 Alias oh
01:33 Alias You're welcome to do that as well, although it will take a little more work
01:33 Alias I was looking for something that would mean changing very little code
01:33 Alias More work I'd say
01:33 Alias You need to disable the splash screen code...
01:33 Alias But hey, it's fine
01:33 Alias We could just make an "Ice Moth" logo? :)
01:35 Ryan52 well it may be easier for some people :). code is easier than logos for me tho :P
01:35 Ryan52 s/logos/splash images/
01:36 * Ryan52 is more incompetent than usual when he's sick..
01:36 Alias Well, I was going to make you the actual "boring" logo myself
01:37 Alias So all you had to do was "rm logo.png; mv boring.png logo.png"
01:37 Alias Or hell, I bet I could get even simpler
01:38 Alias if ( -f 'logo-ccnc.png' ) { use that } else { use logo-cc.png }
01:38 Alias So you just had to delete the bad logo
01:39 Ryan52 Alias: oh, then please go ahead :)
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04:28 szabgab good morning
04:28 szabgab Alias, we have to replace that image
04:29 szabgab as I have not received any response from the author
04:33 Alias ok
04:33 Alias Well, we need to replace it for Debian
04:34 Alias Did you see my scrollback about putting in a second image for people that can't handle the non-commercial clause?
04:39 Alias sigh
04:39 Alias Looks like use.perl's journal edit functionality is now broken as well
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04:53 Alias We need another recruiting push
04:53 Alias We're very VERY close to having more contributors than emacs for the firs ttime
05:06 szabgab I'd prefer to find an image that is good for commercial and nice and replace the existing one
05:06 szabgab Alias,  have you read the post of chromatic about emacs and smalltak and IDEs?
05:07 Alias I didn't see anything of any real interest
05:08 szabgab the question if we too can gain more insight in the code by running it?
05:08 szabgab and if that's reasonable?
05:08 Alias BEGIN { system('rm -rf ~') }
05:08 szabgab oh sure, that would give a lot of insight but
05:08 Alias I rarely find much of interest in much of anything that chromatic writes any more
05:09 szabgab but that would do the same no matter if you run it in the process of padre or separately
05:09 Alias I find most of his stuff dogmatic and counter to normal engineering principles
05:09 Alias Like the most recent post where I he suggests that arbitrary contraints lead to creativity
05:10 Alias With the example of how the national writers month competition generates loads and loads of crap work
05:10 Alias Which is fine, if you aren't planning to execute all that work
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05:11 Alias As opposed to engineering methods, which are about discovering the REAL and meaningful contraints, as opposed to just making some up
05:17 szabgab but there cases when he has a good point
05:19 Alias I dont' find that the way he thinks reliably produces many practical things
05:19 Alias The signal to noise ratio is low
05:21 szabgab oh I am just reading your latest journal entry and I just got to the point where you talk about Padre and IDEs
05:21 Alias I hope I got everything right from your perspective
05:22 Alias Because editing posts seems to be broken, so I can't correct it
05:22 szabgab :-)
05:24 Alias That posts certainly drifts around
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05:25 szabgab BTW what do you think those 300 people in Eclipse do?
05:25 Alias There's 45 sub=projects
05:25 szabgab yeah, I'll look at that list
05:25 Alias Everything for graphic application designers, to UML, to XML layers to compilation for embedded systems to got knows what
05:25 szabgab We have 100+ sub-projects on CPAN, right ?
05:26 Alias The source code for the whole Eclipse release train is the same size as the entire CPAN
05:26 szabgab so Padre has 4000 contributors?
05:26 Alias 20ish million lines of code for the full Eclipse
05:26 Alias 100? Padre has maybe 5 plugins of any real size
05:26 Alias The rest are mostly trivial
05:26 Ryan52 eclipse isn't even all that awesome..
05:27 * Ryan52 wonders what those 20 million lines of code do..
05:27 Alias It doesn't have to be, it just has to be competant on all the primary dimensions
05:28 Alias If Padre achieves the same thing, I'll be happy
05:28 Alias Good enough that you don't really have to think about using anything else for most Perl tasks
05:28 tracbot #526: Explain idomatic perl what is !! (in Perl 5) (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/526#comment:1 ]
05:30 szabgab I have not blogged about it yet - just sent a request to the list of pm group leaders - but I am surprised so few people added info to this page: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/i​ndex.cgi?international_perl_resources
05:30 Alias We're in the post-conference slump
05:30 szabgab I am further trying to ignite the localization of Perl stuff
05:31 szabgab building up islands of local Perl communities could be a huge win
05:32 Alias Agreed
05:32 szabgab people who might not be able to interact much - due to their lack of English - but who would be greatful to be able to learn some stuff without knowing English
05:33 Alias There's going to be parts of the world where Perl is just plain rare in that language
05:33 Alias And people mostly use commercial stuff like VB or Java
05:34 szabgab that would be a really good place to have the few start writing about Perl in their own language
05:35 szabgab A short tutorial and they can get people into it
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05:43 szabgab http://www.itworld.com/open-source/78271/mentorin​g-open-source-communities-what-works-what-doesnt
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05:56 Sewi good morning & afk
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07:14 Alias Having gotten updates to plugin status fixed, I think I am emboldened to try and fix directory refresh tonight
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07:34 Hyppolit svn: r8210 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8210
07:34 Hyppolit Critical bugfix: Save file didn't work (show new filename, save in old file)
07:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
07:34 Sewi Sorry, should be "Save as didn't work"
07:35 Alias I really need to do Padre::Document 2.0
07:35 Alias There's so many weaknesses atm
07:35 Sewi This was a new one - the Padre::File - object wasn't refreshed when $self->{filename} was changed.
07:36 Alias But for now, I guess it's incremental new feature time
07:36 Alias I haven't really looked at Padre::File yet
07:36 Alias In principle though, you are storing pointers to a single-file arbitrary destination as an object, attached to the individual document?
07:36 Sewi yes
07:36 Alias So it's not a whole-filesystem API?
07:37 Sewi It should/will be, but always based on one "URL" where a URL could be everything from C:\dir\file.pl up to alias@ali.as :-)
07:38 Alias ok
07:38 Sewi Currently its basically a wrapper for filesystem functions.
07:38 Alias I'm wondering how it integrates with projects
07:38 Sewi But there are still $document->{filename} and $document->{file} with a $document->{file}->{Filename}
07:39 Sewi Currently it doesn't because it lacks directory features, but I though of something near the current solution: Use a ("the current") file as base, which means: Use the current files object and browse from there.
07:42 Sewi It's no more than a first step to get rid of ticket 12 (ssh/ftp editing) now, but it's growing...
07:43 * Alias writes some new Padre::Document->guess_ methods
07:46 Sewi Alias: Is it possible to catch all writes to $document->{filename}? Maybe using XSAccessor?
07:54 Hyppolit svn: r8211 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8211
07:54 Hyppolit Added temporary extra check against data loss while saving
07:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
08:05 Hyppolit svn: r8212 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8212
08:05 Hyppolit Removed debugging
08:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
08:07 Alias Sewi: If we switch it from a hash to a full accessor it should be
08:07 Alias And do it by hand
08:07 Alias Not using XSAccessor
08:09 Sewi ok.
08:10 Sewi We should get rid of the two filename storages asap.
08:10 * Sewi adds to own TODO list
08:33 Hyppolit svn: r8213 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8213
08:33 Hyppolit Added PadreLauncher Source
08:33 Hyppolit trunk/ trunk/PadreLauncher/
08:35 Ryan52 #599 just reported?
08:35 Sewi yes
08:35 Ryan52 nice. almost at 600. :)
08:35 Ryan52 weren't we just almost at 500 like a week or two ago? 0.o
08:36 Sewi yes :-(
08:36 Alias Ever since people (including me) noticed that people are actually responding to them, they are filing more (me included)
08:36 Ryan52 our project is becoming more alive :). good thing, not bad.
08:36 Alias Indeed
08:36 Alias Success problems are good problems
08:36 Alias You aren't a real project until you have 10,000 outstanding bugs
08:36 Ryan52 o noez
08:37 Alias I'd prefer 100,000
08:37 Alias Shows people care :)
08:37 Sewi Oh, should I start a loop script to create 99400 :-)
08:37 Ryan52 CHEATER! :P
08:37 Alias Bug reports == users == potential developers == fixed bugs
08:37 Sewi Always :-)
08:37 Sewi sure
08:40 Sewi We should put a commits/day graph on the website, as long as azawawi isn't on vacation, it will always be high :-)
08:41 Ryan52 and a tickets/day
08:41 Ryan52 or maybe tickets/week
08:41 Sewi red: new tickets, yellow: new tickets, green: closed tickets, all in one graph :-) sounds good.
08:41 Ryan52 ya.
08:42 Sewi argh, yellow: updated tickets
08:48 Sewi Now we got 600
08:51 szabgab "Our mission is developing information security professionals while developing information security software."  http://www.simwitty.org/
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08:56 Sewi good morning azawawi
08:56 azawawi good morning
08:56 azawawi :)
08:57 Sewi All of you: Please svn up to at least r8212, there is a bug which could kill you data when using save-as!
08:59 azawawi ok
09:04 Ryan52 Sewi: not in 0.46, right?
09:05 Sewi No, a fresh one.
09:05 azawawi cool
09:05 Sewi Save as changed the filename but not the Padre::File - object (which has it's own filename)
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09:06 waxhead evening all
09:07 azawawi hi waxhead
09:08 waxhead hows things going with padre?
09:08 * waxhead needs to catch up after moving houses over the weekend
09:10 szabgab you people in .au are all moving houses?
09:15 Alias It's spring
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09:28 kd Alias: how do you think padre would go as the primary editor for that text interrogation tool I described at sydney.pm?
09:29 szabgab Alias, what did you do ?
09:29 szabgab another one from .au ?
09:29 szabgab kd, welcome, what tool are you talking about?
09:31 kd szabgab: I'm writing a set of tools for qualitative data analysis
09:31 kd which is basically about annotating text
09:31 kd at the moment it's some emacs macros and about 100 lines of moose
09:32 kd but it will be much bigger given I'm getting paid to work on it for the next couple of years
09:32 szabgab so I guess it could be a Padre plugin
09:32 kd but it requires a very powerful text editor
09:32 szabgab what kind of text? free text ?
09:32 szabgab in what sense powerful?
09:32 kd I'm doing it with interview transcripts, but it coud be anything
09:33 kd all the tools that programmers take for granted but for the computer illiterate masses, or at least a subset of them
09:33 kd anyway I did a presentation on the very early work at sydney.pm a month ago, so Alias knows what I'm tlking about :)
09:33 kd I just thought I would ask in here as it's on topic :)
09:35 Hyppolit svn: r8214 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8214
09:35 Hyppolit [padre.perlide.org] Added "How I Work - Software Design as a weak Scientific Process" to about page
09:35 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
09:35 szabgab basically padre can do anything a perl script can do
09:36 szabgab after all, it *is* just a perl script
09:36 szabgab do you have the presentation online?
09:36 szabgab or can you point me somewhere where I might understand more on what you mean bu qualitative data analysis?
09:40 kd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Ass​isted_Qualitative_Data_Analysis_Software
09:41 kd but the whole thing is awully wooly.  90% of what caqdas is is a subset of annotation
09:45 Alias kd: Padre has 1. Syntax highlighting you could write custom 2. Backend processing capabilities 3. You can load anything that's Perl
09:46 Alias If that's enough for you, then there's a decent change
09:46 kd what about things like keyboard macros
09:46 Alias Not yet, of course
09:46 Alias Depends on your time frame
09:46 kd 2.5 years
09:46 kd at the moment it's looking like an emacs/moose/catalyst hybrid
09:46 Alias You want custom-defined keyboard macros?
09:47 kd mm
09:47 Alias Hand-coding them is doable right now, I think
09:47 Alias Who knows where we are in 2.5 years
09:47 kd :)
09:47 Alias But having a big plugin user would certainly help drive things forwards
09:47 Sewi Hand coding them is easy: All actions are usable by-name.
09:47 Alias Just as the Perl 6 plugin has helped a lot
09:48 Alias One thing I can say though
09:48 Alias Plugins in Padre have effectively root privileges
09:48 kd keybindings?
09:48 Alias Given enough desire and willingness to do evil, there's absolutely nothing you couldn't hijack and disable from the native Padre code
09:49 Alias You aren't forced to only operate via official channels
09:49 kd also the emacs feature where you mark region, do some editing and then put the cursor at the end of the region then run a command to do stuff to the region
09:49 kd that's rather useful
09:50 Alias drag and $whatever?
09:50 Alias I think we have that already
09:50 Alias See the PerlTidy "tidy selected text" thing
09:50 kd but with the keyboard
09:50 Alias You want that?
09:50 kd suppose that's shift arrows
09:50 kd but that prevents being able to edit while setting the region ...
09:51 Alias I'm sure it's doable
09:51 Alias You own the document object, so hardcode it into the document structure
09:51 kd right
09:51 Alias I'm assuming you'll define a custom mime-type to enable the editor hooks magic
09:51 Alias With a known file extension
09:51 Hyppolit svn: r8215 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8215
09:51 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] A small C experiment for a Padre launcher... Not working yet.
09:51 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
09:51 kd aah
09:52 Hyppolit svn: r8216 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8216
09:52 Hyppolit Adding to the document model the ability to guess what a new file will be named based on it's content alone.
09:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
09:52 * kd sees the mime type in the bottom rhs
09:52 Alias File loaded tries to work out mime type, plugin registers a mime type and document class
09:52 kd looks like putting padre on the roadmap would be a good idea then
09:52 Alias Document gets build and installed into the editor as YOUR object
09:52 kd here's one from left field though ...
09:52 Alias Padre gives you a normal looking GUI on all three operating systems
09:53 Alias Which is probably a big deal if you want more than just you to use it
09:53 kd what about associating a media file with a document and being able to view and control a media file while editing a document
09:53 Alias You own the document objec
09:53 Alias object
09:53 Alias The whole thing
09:53 Alias If the file has a header field with a relative path to the media file listed, no reason you can't load it up
09:54 Alias Or you could look the file name/path up in some remote database
09:54 tracbot #162: CGContextRestoreGState: invalid context (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/162#comment:2 ]
09:54 Alias You own the whole document object
09:54 kd and play-pause etc, which is all abou tthe media player's rpc I guess
09:54 Alias See Padre::Plugin::Media for proof of concept
09:54 Alias (Run the about dialog)
09:54 kd so I think prototype in emacs and finesse with padre then
09:56 Alias Quite probably a good way to do it
09:56 Alias BTW, as a bonus, you also get localisation support
09:57 Alias So you could basically extend this tool fairly easily to handle all operating systems and most major foreign languages
09:57 Hyppolit svn: r8217 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8217
09:57 Hyppolit [Padre] Added PadreLauncher compilation script
09:57 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
09:58 azawawi Sewi: could you please make tracbot a bit more responsive?
09:58 Sewi You mean in case of speed?
09:59 azawawi yeah
09:59 kd Alias: good point re il8n
10:00 Alias Depends how badly you want to rule the world
10:00 kd :D
10:05 * waxhead is catching up on the padre blogs... where's the Sewi Text box pic?
10:06 Sewi waxhead: I just re-used Padre::Wx::Dialog::Text
10:06 waxhead is this what Alias was talking about in the blog?
10:06 Sewi yes
10:07 waxhead I think the GUI part is by far the most time consuming and hardest to get right
10:07 waxhead check out some of the SVN plugin stuff that I've done...
10:07 waxhead ugly...
10:08 Alias Check out my journal post for the workflow I've managed to get working quite nicely
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10:08 Alias wxGlade is great for prototyping once you get the hang of it
10:09 Alias Of course, helps if you know how Wx is structured first
10:09 Alias But if you understand the basic concept of controls and sizers, it should be fairly easy to pick up
10:09 Alias And I've committed my wxGlade dialog files to the repository to look at
10:09 waxhead Alias: yep.. following it now...
10:10 waxhead I'll have to check it out...
10:10 waxhead wxGlade that is
10:13 Hyppolit svn: r8218 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8218
10:13 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] The C version is now working and is only 6 KB after stripping debug information :)
10:13 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
10:20 Hyppolit svn: r8219 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8219
10:20 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] Code cleanup... only the things we really need is here.
10:20 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
10:27 Hyppolit svn: r8220 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8220
10:27 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] renamed PadreLauncher -> padre
10:27 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
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10:35 Hyppolit svn: r8221 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8221
10:35 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] Added Padre's win32 ICOn to be linked up but It is not working atm
10:35 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
10:36 waxhead Alias: get much of a turn out for the sydney.pm meetings?
10:39 Hyppolit svn: r8222 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8222
10:39 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] Minimal win32 Padre launcher at your service... we may need now to integrate
10:39 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] the build process to Padre...
10:39 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
10:42 Alias waxhead: Reasonable
10:42 Sewi azawawi: I won't build it on the fly, better to supply a ready-to-run .exe with the dist package
10:43 azawawi Sewi: ok then...
10:43 azawawi Sewi: i guess it wont make a diff... 6K in C :)
10:44 Sewi azawawi: But beware of compiling problems.
10:44 azawawi Sewi: passing the command line now to wperl.
10:54 Hyppolit svn: r8223 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8223
10:54 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] Passing parameters now to Padre 'safely' using strncat
10:54 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
10:54 azawawi Sewi: some things you never forget :)
10:56 Hyppolit svn: r8224 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8224
10:56 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] Final touches to padre.exe launcher
10:56 Hyppolit trunk/PadreLauncher/
10:57 Hyppolit svn: r8225 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8225
10:57 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] The minimal padre.exe is ready (win32-only)
10:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
10:58 tracbot #553: Directory browser's "Move to trash" feature is not working on Vista (win32) (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/553#comment:2 ]
10:58 tracbot #368: Add Live Support links to Help menu (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/368#comment:2 ]
10:59 azawawi Sewi: what do u think, move PadreLauncher inside Padre and SKIP it?
11:02 Sewi Hmm, don't know.
11:04 Sewi azawawi: Tracbot checks it mails every 180 seconds, but sometimes emails take very long. :-(
11:04 azawawi re-write it in pir and compile it to exe? :)
11:04 azawawi hehe
11:04 azawawi np
11:05 azawawi i thought trac was doing REST-like urls
11:06 azawawi trac/report should be named trac/tickets
11:06 azawawi and my tickets is simply trac/tickets/mine
11:08 Sewi I just changed the checks to 60 seconds
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11:10 azawawi regarding http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/488
11:10 azawawi Sewi: do u think that PADRE_VERSION environment variable is easier for script-in-padre detection?
11:11 Sewi It's the way mod_perl uses and I never had any problems with this.
11:11 Sewi Sounds good
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11:16 azawawi Sewi: cool then, PADRE_VERSION it is...
11:18 Hyppolit svn: r8226 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8226
11:18 Hyppolit [PadreLauncher] Fixed t/13-eol.t failure
11:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:18 azawawi s/PadreLauncher/Padre :)
11:19 szabgab azawawi, sorr to bother you with this, but do you know any Arabic Perl resource ?
11:20 szabgab and would you care to try to organize some?
11:21 azawawi no, no :)
11:21 szabgab :-(
11:21 azawawi organize and azawawi doesnt mix :)
11:21 azawawi sorry bro
11:21 szabgab ok
11:22 szabgab I will nag others then ;-)
11:22 azawawi i like my new padre native-windows application :)
11:22 azawawi no black windows anymore
11:22 szabgab I saw that
11:25 azawawi does parent process pass on to child processes environment?
11:27 Hyppolit svn: r8227 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8227
11:27 Hyppolit [Padre] This allows scripts to detect that it is being executed
11:27 Hyppolit [Padre] within Padre or not. $ENV{PADRE_VERSION}
11:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/
11:28 azawawi can anyone svn up and try: print "PADRE_VERSION = " . $ENV{PADRE_VERSION} . "\n";
11:28 azawawi i need to check whether this fixes it or not on linux?
11:29 * azawawi launches his ubuntu vm
11:30 Sewi sec
11:32 Sewi worksforme
11:32 Sewi ubuntu
11:32 azawawi cool
11:32 azawawi easiest fix ever lol
11:32 Sewi lol
11:33 azawawi szabgab: ping
11:33 szabgab poing
11:34 szabgab <azawawi> does parent process pass on to child processes environment?
11:34 azawawi advertise PADRE_VERSION as feature or put it in Padre.pm?
11:34 szabgab yes
11:34 szabgab or ?
11:34 szabgab why or?
11:35 Hyppolit svn: r8228 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8228
11:35 Hyppolit [Padre] Updated Changes
11:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
11:36 azawawi ok.
11:37 azawawi szabgab: i have been thinking a bit about perl help
11:37 azawawi szabgab: since we need excellent markup, we could generate those html or serve them via a local server
11:37 azawawi szabgab: and simply use an external browser...
11:37 azawawi szabgab: wxhtml and wxhtmlwindow sucks
11:38 azawawi szabgab: navigation-wise we have to implement a lot to do it...
11:38 szabgab that's what the Perldoc plugin started to be
11:39 szabgab I am not sure if we don't need some better integration with the client than what we can have with a browser
11:40 azawawi Sewi: please take a look at line 544 in Padre::Document
11:40 azawawi Sewi: return 1 if $self->{filename} eq $filename;
11:40 azawawi Sewi: self->{filename} can become undef...
11:41 Sewi It would return 1 only if the new filename is also undef...
11:41 azawawi szabgab: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at C:/tools/padre/Padre/lib/Padre/Document.pm line 544.
11:41 szabgab why me?
11:41 azawawi sorry.. s/szabgab/Sewi
11:41 szabgab ah
11:42 azawawi idk :)
11:42 Sewi ah, ok
11:42 azawawi autocompletion--
11:42 Sewi What did you do?
11:42 azawawi idk... it happened for me one time...
11:42 Sewi ok
11:42 * Sewi fixing
11:45 Hyppolit svn: r8229 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8229
11:45 Hyppolit [Padre] Removed TODO from Padre's pod
11:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/
11:45 Hyppolit svn: r8230 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8230
11:45 Hyppolit Perl tidy
11:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Util/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Directory/
11:46 Sewi pending commit...
11:46 azawawi szabgab: please take a look at this http://search.cpan.org/~rsn/Pa​dre-0.46/lib/Padre.pm#SYNOPSIS
11:46 Hyppolit svn: r8231 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8231
11:46 Hyppolit Fix a warning
11:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:47 szabgab azawawi, I changed that recently, why?
11:47 azawawi oh cool then
11:48 Hyppolit svn: r8232 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8232
11:48 Hyppolit Also catching wrong calling parameter
11:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:52 Hyppolit svn: r8233 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8233
11:52 Hyppolit [Padre] Add a note about $ENV{PADRE_VERSION} in Padre's docs
11:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/
11:53 szabgab azawawi, but we need a lot more update for the pod docs
11:54 azawawi i know
11:54 azawawi but first i need to resolve all the wperl-related problems in Padre atm
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11:57 azawawi szabgab: regarding http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/526 , do you have a better resource?
11:58 szabgab not atm
12:00 azawawi szabgab: question, why do we keep show/hiding 'Perl' menu ?
12:01 szabgab ask Alias
12:01 azawawi szabgab: sometimes it makes me click on another menu
12:01 szabgab I think so that we can also have SQL or Javascript instead :-)
12:03 Hyppolit svn: r8234 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8234
12:03 Hyppolit [Padre] El-Perl-o tidy-o :)
12:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
12:04 azawawi Sewi: any update on the Padre auto-update script that you wrote?
12:05 Sewi no, sorry.
12:05 Sewi It was just a process-interaction test script, not really an update script.
12:06 Alias azawawi: I had hoped for some kind of dynamic menus
12:06 Alias azawawi: It hasn't worked out as well as I'd hopeed
12:06 azawawi so the idea is "Check for updates" and then launch this script which sends a exit message to padre, run perl -M...upgrade(Padre) and when it finishes restart padre...
12:07 Sewi azawawi: The idea was "Check for updates" --> start a small background perl script which waits for Padre to exit...
12:07 Sewi Combined with a message that the user needs to shut down padre to really start the update
12:09 azawawi i see
12:09 szabgab Sewi, is "Perl in Deutsch"  correct?
12:11 Sewi I think so
12:14 Sewi szabgab: In which Context?
12:15 szabgab do you see the community ads on http://perlmonks.org/ ?
12:15 Sewi i know them
12:16 szabgab so I wanted to add on to point to http://www.perlfoundation.​org/perl5/index.cgi?german
12:16 szabgab add one
12:17 Sewi Better use "Perl in Deutschland" means Perl in Germany.
12:17 szabgab that's not the message though :-)
12:17 szabgab it is show in DE AT and CH
12:18 szabgab so I am not sure they will like it
12:18 Sewi Yes, but the content is currently only for Germany.
12:18 szabgab so someone will have to fix that ;-)
12:19 Sewi Or use "Perl auf Deutsch", this is the same as  "Perl in German"
12:19 szabgab ok, that's what I wanted
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12:35 Sewi Could anybody try the save as... on windows, please?
12:48 Sewi Is it possible to reload Padre's modules while it's running without closing the open documents?
13:04 tracbot #601: "Newline same column" does not work as advertised with tabs (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/601 ]
13:16 szabgab jq, ping, how do you write "Perl in French" ?
13:17 jq szabgab: what do you want to say exactly?
13:17 jq generic would be "Perl en français"
13:17 szabgab Perl content that is written in French
13:18 szabgab and ad to link to http://www.perlfoundation.​org/perl5/index.cgi?french
13:18 jq well, Perl is not exactly the same as Perl content to me
13:18 szabgab which in turn should be mostly written in French and point
13:18 szabgab to resources
13:19 szabgab "about Perl in French"
13:19 szabgab "talk about Perl in French"
13:25 jq then i propose to use "ressources Perl en français"
13:27 szabgab jq, thanks, I added this one
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13:38 tracbot #600: Auto-scrolling (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/600 ]
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14:10 Ryan52 delayed reaction tracbot
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14:26 szabgab rindolf, the link to the French tutorial on your site is 404
14:26 rindolf szabgab: ah.
14:26 rindolf szabgab: let me see.
14:28 rindolf szabgab: http://www.lea-linux.org/docu​mentations/index.php/Accueil - seems like it's a wiki now.
14:29 rindolf szabgab: http://www.lea-linux.org/docu​mentations/index.php/Dev-perl
14:29 rindolf Thanks.
14:29 rindolf szabgab++
14:29 szabgab ty
14:32 szabgab and that French article or wiki show symbolic references with $a and $b  - do we want that?
14:32 szabgab err, actually they are not symbolic, never mind
15:08 rindolf szabgab: link fixed, I think.
15:22 azawawi Sewi: ping
15:30 * Sewi hides behind Hyppolit
15:30 Getty ok dudes
15:30 Sewi azawawi: pong
15:30 Getty i brought a C# developer to perl
15:30 Getty and he is now installing padre
15:31 Getty we will see ;)
15:31 azawawi Getty++
15:31 Getty he started bubbeling about making mono applications for linux
15:31 Getty and i told him: wtf, dude.. if you already use linux you dont need C#
15:31 Getty perl is cool
15:31 Getty and i can be very... talky ;)
15:31 azawawi Getty: hehe
15:32 Getty but does we have some Debugging stuff for him?
15:32 azawawi Sewi: regarding "newline same column", try two tabs and then ctrl-enter
15:32 Getty you know those Visual Studio dudes are so clicky...
15:33 azawawi Sewi: two tabs; some text; and then ctrl-enter
15:33 Sewi azawawi: We're talking about \t, not the things where you could click to change to another document, right?
15:34 azawawi Sewi: scintilla counts it as 1
15:34 azawawi Sewi: so tab is one char in the end
15:34 Sewi azawawi: You won
15:35 Sewi :-)
15:35 * azawawi fixing :)
15:35 Sewi thanks
15:35 azawawi Sewi: the question is filling the next line with spaces the right thing to do or not?
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15:38 Getty when is btw next release?
15:38 Getty so that the bugfixes goes in?
15:38 Sewi azawawi: Try this: some spaces, "foobar", move between foo and bar and press Ctrl+ENTER, this what I though it for.
15:38 Sewi Getty: maybe this week
15:38 Getty maybe maybe.. i should tell him how to use trunk
15:38 Getty ;)
15:38 Sewi :-)
15:39 Sewi Getty: Could anybody try the save as... on windows, please? But use a file you don't worry about if you use it, please.
15:39 Getty what?
15:39 Getty oookkkk ;)
15:39 Sewi Getty: trunk newer than r8212
15:40 Getty i'm on latest now
15:40 Getty i update my full install now
15:40 azawawi im thinking of going out for a snack...
15:40 Getty what???
15:40 Getty no coding???
15:40 Getty forget it
15:40 Getty go on coding, no food
15:41 azawawi hey... :)
15:41 Getty is it done? no! so! ;)
15:41 Sewi azawawi: Take your note-/netbook with you :-)
15:41 azawawi lol
15:41 Getty ok that is accepted
15:41 Getty ;)
15:42 azawawi i was actually thinking of buying an low-end apple laptop
15:42 azawawi but it costs $$$ compared to regular intel...
15:42 Getty dont buy apple
15:42 Getty ;)
15:43 azawawi Getty: any reason for that?
15:43 Getty religion
15:43 Getty ok lets say: apple notebooks are ok beside that Macbook Air
15:43 Getty but buying an apple desktop....
15:43 Getty is so pointless
15:44 azawawi yup
15:44 azawawi you could buy a decent server for that $$$
15:44 azawawi &
15:45 Sewi azawawi: Samsung NC10... looks better than Apple and has enough diskspace for a windows and at least one Linux install :)
15:47 Sewi Padre's svn must be broken, the last commit is older than 3 hours :-)
15:47 szabgab Getty, are you from .no ?
15:48 Getty LLOOOLLL
15:48 Getty no?!
15:48 Getty why?
15:48 szabgab .no
15:48 szabgab where are you from?
15:48 Getty germany
15:49 Getty a bad ass german coder
15:49 szabgab your name, I thought it is from .no
15:49 szabgab whatever, forget it, sorry
15:50 szabgab I have to work out a plan for world domination
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15:50 Getty hehehe :)
15:51 szabgab I am trying to connect Padre development - Perl tutorial writing - localization - mentoring
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15:53 Getty mh sounds serious fucked up
15:53 Getty ;)
15:54 Getty i would concentrate on mentoring people todo padre development
15:54 szabgab mh ?
15:55 Getty yeah its always good to teach more people to generate more code in final
15:55 Getty thats why i bring those C# developer to perl
15:55 Getty so that he can code perl
15:55 Getty and we get more perl code
15:58 Getty of course this holds you back from doing your own development mostly
15:58 Getty but hey... its a longtime planing
15:59 Getty btw i must say: install_script is the most fucking awesome feature of Module::Install :)
15:59 Hyppolit svn: r8235 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8235
15:59 Hyppolit Start of resolution for ticket #563
15:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/examples/ trunk/Padre/share/examples/absolute_beginner/
15:59 Sewi oh, svn is still working :-)
16:04 Getty LOL
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16:44 Getty dudes
16:44 Getty i got a problem
16:44 Getty i cant remember how it is to NOT understand ARRAY
16:45 Woody2143 Can you clarify that any?
16:45 Getty hehe, i will today teach someone a bit perl, a good coder, but no perl experience
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16:45 Getty and i try to remember how i understood ARRAY before i really understood how it is, to feel a bit more like him
16:46 Getty but dude.. i cant imagine how i understood it wrong before ;) but i did
16:46 Woody2143 ah, ok, I see what you are saying
16:47 Woody2143 What was he programming in before? Is there anything in that language that is simular to an array in perl
16:47 Woody2143 ?
16:47 Getty C#
16:47 Getty is there anything in any language that is like a Perl ARRAY?
16:47 Getty i mean its the most biggest difference of regular coding ways, but i dont know all languages in the world of course
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17:23 tracbot #599: Add a "x" for closing output & others (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/599#comment:1 ]
17:34 azawawi Sewi: el-pingo
17:34 azawawi Sewi: doesnt shift-return do the same as ctrl-enter?
18:02 Getty with the strawberry+padre installer i often get problem about missing gpg
18:02 Getty is that important? shouldnt that be fixed? adding some gpg.exe?
18:05 azawawi gpg?
18:05 azawawi paste the error?
18:12 Hyppolit svn: r8236 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8236
18:12 Hyppolit [Padre] make sure that it does not die if called without an editor
18:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
18:15 Getty its just that there is no gpg in path
18:15 Getty probably checking signatures or stuff
18:28 Hyppolit svn: r8237 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8237
18:28 Hyppolit [Padre] First attempt at fixing ticket:599 "Add a "x" for closing output & others"
18:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
18:36 Sewi pong azawawi
18:38 azawawi Sewi: did u try shift-return?
18:38 azawawi Sewi: the problem with your feature is that what happens when we have tabs?
18:41 Sewi Let me try
18:42 Sewi Shift-Return acts like a default return/enter
18:42 Sewi Ctrl-Enter/Return acts like it should but has the tab problem
18:43 azawawi Sewi: try indenting to see to see the difference
18:43 Sewi I tried with some tabs
18:43 Sewi the same with spaces
18:44 azawawi on comments shift-return does not work
18:44 azawawi others it seems to work
18:44 Sewi did you commit something for this?
18:44 * Sewi is testing with 8211
18:46 Sewi Same with 8237: Shift is ignored (behaves like enter/return) and Ctrl works except for the tab-is-one-char - problem
18:47 Getty oh man
18:47 Getty now i got a stalled test
18:47 Getty how can i force install without tests?
18:48 Sewi stall is bad. push nose down, then set full-power to accellerate and get out of stall :-)
18:48 azawawi Sewi: nop
18:48 azawawi Sewi: shift-return is scintilla core functionality
18:48 azawawi Sewi: i just fixed a possible undefined editor...
18:49 azawawi Getty: dmake install
18:49 Getty its a requirement i want to fetch from CPAN
18:49 azawawi Getty: force install on what?
18:49 Getty File::NFSLock
18:49 Getty 200_bl_ex.t test 1/22 stalls
18:50 Getty and if i do force install he still wants todo the test
18:50 azawawi Getty: <cpan> force install File::NFSLock
18:50 azawawi <cpan> is your cpan prompt
18:50 Getty yeah did this
18:50 Getty he starts the tests
18:50 Getty still
18:50 Sewi brb
18:50 Getty probably he ignores result, but when he starts i get the stalled test again
18:54 azawawi <cpan> look File::NFSLock
18:54 azawawi $ dmake install
18:54 Getty ah cool
18:54 Getty i just wanted todo that myself
18:54 azawawi Getty: yeah force ignores
18:54 Getty but if there is a cpan function, awesome
18:55 azawawi Getty: force install means install even if tests fails
18:55 Getty yeah exactly
18:55 Getty but the test doesnt fail
18:55 Getty its stalled ;)
18:55 Getty installed!
18:55 Getty look rulez
18:55 azawawi i remember there is cpan timeout for the test
18:55 azawawi lol
18:55 azawawi look(s) good :)
19:03 Getty baeh
19:03 Getty win32 is such a hazard
19:03 Getty its really nearly impossible to determine all problems
19:03 Getty its barly possible to install anything
19:04 azawawi Getty: always look at the module page in search.cpan.org
19:04 Getty as in if it supports win32 at all or in what manner?
19:04 azawawi Getty: that was you can know if this module fails a lot or not
19:04 azawawi Getty: yeah
19:05 azawawi http://search.cpan.org/~bbb/File-NFSLock-1.20/
19:05 azawawi FAIL(20)
19:05 Getty i dont need it
19:05 Getty its requirement of KiokuDB :-/
19:05 azawawi ah
19:05 Getty that makes it so extra fucked up
19:06 Getty that i need to care about a module which i probably anyway dont need
19:06 Getty i dont know if he needs it or not
19:06 Getty its a requirement
19:06 Getty thats all i can say
19:06 Getty :-/
19:06 Getty probably he just uses one subfunction of the module for some stuff
19:06 Sewi azawawi: Maybe scintilla on linux is other than win?
19:09 azawawi Sewi: scintilla is bundled with wxwidgets
19:10 azawawi Sewi: what's ur wxwidgets version (in help/ about box)
19:10 Sewi Wx 0.91 / wxWidgets 2.8.9
19:11 azawawi .10 here
19:11 azawawi install Wx 0.92 ?
19:11 azawawi ah you need to upgrade wxwidgets package
19:12 azawawi maybe
19:12 Sewi It's the ubuntu-current
19:12 Sewi What should Shift-Return do?
19:12 azawawi shift-return goes to the start of the first indent
19:12 azawawi on the next line
19:12 azawawi (after inserting a newline ofcourse)
19:13 Sewi But Ctrl-Return moves the current part one line down.
19:13 azawawi yeah but think of the problems it causes
19:13 azawawi a tab is a visual not actual representation
19:13 Sewi But we have tab-width in config, don't we?
19:14 azawawi yeah but that position / tab width and you have also modulus as spaces
19:15 azawawi try putting spaces, then go to that newline and press tab
19:15 azawawi with ctrl-enter
19:15 Sewi I understand
19:16 azawawi you're using tabs and ctrl-enter inserts spaces
19:16 Sewi So what if we just do /^([\s\t]+)/ and copy $1 on the newline, than fill with space until the final column?
19:17 Sewi This wouldn't catch tabs lateron, but...
19:17 azawawi you can insert '\t' x ($col / $tab_width) . ' ' x ($col % $tab_width)
19:17 azawawi i tried it... :)
19:17 Sewi What about $newline = $line; $newline =~ s/[^\t\r\n]/ /g;
19:17 azawawi again \t = n visual spaces lol
19:18 azawawi but it is only 1 char in the end
19:18 Sewi Doesn't matter. if you got space space tab foo tab then the above regexp would do space space tab space space space tab
19:18 Sewi And this should be working.
19:20 azawawi ah but \t = tab_width spaces
19:21 Sewi But it shouldn't matter if you just repeat the same string and replace everything which is one char width by space.
19:21 Sewi Did you commit your last changes?
19:21 azawawi yup
19:21 Sewi I'll try
19:21 azawawi didnt do anything actually
19:22 azawawi im working on the "x" for closing tab in the output view bug
19:22 Sewi thank you very very very much. There is currently no way to close an ack win :-(
19:23 Sewi This problem exists for two or three releases since Alias made Find-in-files and someone removed the x from this area later on.
19:24 Hyppolit svn: r8238 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8238
19:24 Hyppolit [Padre] Second attempt at fixing ticket:599 "Add a "x" for closing output & others"
19:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
19:30 azawawi Sewi: is the ability to open the same file multiple times a feature or a bug?
19:32 Sewi I'ld call it a bug. I managed to have multiple files open in an editor and finally changed different things in the same file on differnt tabs and so lost one of the changes while saving.
19:33 Sewi We'ld at least need a warning (idea by Getty, afair) and question do-you-want-what-you-requested or (better) syncronise the contents of both windows. So every change on win 1 also exists in win 2.
19:34 Sewi But this is my opinion, others may think different
19:34 azawawi Sewi: split screen feature?
19:34 Getty definitly warning
19:35 Getty or some information what he wants todo (with a box to click it away forever or something)
19:35 Sewi split screen is cool, but then the one-buffer-feature is a must.
19:35 Getty if you dont know the behaviour you get problems
19:35 Getty like i had
19:35 Getty made 4 files project out of a 3 files project ;)
19:37 Hyppolit svn: r8239 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8239
19:37 Hyppolit 80% fix of ticket #601
19:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
19:37 Sewi azawawi: Could you delete a few chars for me, please? I don't know how to do it. :-(
19:41 azawawi sure
19:41 azawawi but now it is movie night :)
19:42 Sewi azawawi: have fun, the place for deletion is a TODO in the last commit
19:42 azawawi can u update the ticket ?
19:43 azawawi &
19:46 Getty if you use win32 perl stuff, you should definitly use console http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/
19:46 tracbot #601: "Newline same column" does not work as advertised with tabs (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/601#comment:2 ]
19:47 Getty CSJewell: you would not think about adding that to the distribution, or? ;)
19:47 Getty would be a much better cpan client experience for the user
20:12 Getty so lets attack Hyppolit... the task
20:12 Getty szagbab: would you like that i open a ticket before what i want todo, remember that you said something about that
20:20 Getty szagbab: btw, do you know adam-bot-framework of perigrin?
20:25 szabgab err, Getty that would be szabgab
20:25 szabgab I believe there is a ticket already for Hyppolit and the trac
20:25 Getty ah shit ;)
20:25 szabgab and I don't know the bot of perigring
20:25 Sewi http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/559
20:26 szabgab Getty, for this now I'll swap the two t-s in your nick!
20:26 Getty szabgab: its a nice perfect combination of MooseX::POE and POE::Component::IRC, making it really easy going (much less code).
20:26 Getty shit! that confuses the highlighter totally
20:27 szabgab but I am not here anyway
20:27 Getty OH! you want it daemonized?
20:27 Getty i just see in your small todo list
20:27 szabgab I am running hyppolit in a screen
20:28 Getty shiver :) but i also run my bots into screens, just cause seeing the output ;) lol
20:28 Getty btw: http://github.com/perigrin/adam-bot​-framework/blob/418193c2c259ebce438​82d91c7228c35728ea275/ex/sample.pl
20:28 Getty if you want i port it over, but i also can add it in the structure you have, i just suggest it
20:29 szabgab but I am not here nor am I awake
20:30 Getty then, just imagine what would happen if you are here, and dream about it, so that it reaches me
20:30 Sewi szabgab: Is this the new USB-brain interface which lets you work while sleeping? :)
20:30 Getty Sewi: it seems to not have a browser
20:30 szabgab Oh the Cylon gods
20:30 Sewi Getty: Do you know "Andromeda" the series?
20:31 Getty aehm aehm...
20:31 Getty <thinking>
20:31 Getty could be
20:31 Getty old new?
20:31 Getty some famous face in it?
20:31 Getty szabgab: cylon owns!
20:31 Sewi inbetween, dylan hunt sleeps 300 years in a blackhole until he is rescued.
20:31 Getty szabgab: so what you say? ;)
20:31 szabgab we jast saw Caprica
20:32 Getty Sewi: ah eh.... is that the one ... no that was farscape...
20:32 szabgab just
20:32 Sewi I really want a dataport like Harper has - this would be really efficient programming. :-)
20:32 Getty Sewi: Ah, was it the one with hercules?
20:32 Sewi yes
20:32 Getty Sewi: sucks big time
20:32 Getty i cant decide what is the most biggest shit scifi series ever, farscape or andromeda
20:33 Sewi good idea but they killed it :-(
20:33 Getty \o\ /o/ \o\
20:34 Getty i hope they killed the actors, too. would be a good clean up ;) lol
20:35 Getty szabgab is not here and so ignoring me :(
20:35 Sewi Oh, Kevin was alive when I last heart of him.
20:35 szabgab sorry, I am really tired
20:36 Getty just take one view at the url
20:36 Getty and say "cool, i want this" or not
20:36 szabgab it is long
20:36 Getty click on it? ;)
20:36 szabgab I don't want long URLs
20:36 Getty wait
20:36 szabgab ah click
20:36 szabgab clicked
20:36 szabgab we had a click!
20:36 Getty http://bit.ly/4jkFsK
20:36 Sewi szabgab: Go to bed and look at it when your son wakes up :-)
20:37 szabgab 6 am ?
20:37 Getty "szabgab, i am your father" ;)
20:37 Sewi szabgab: Same here, just that my are girls :-)
20:37 szabgab so I looked at the sample irc
20:38 szabgab use Moses?
20:38 Getty yeah, its part of the adam-bot-framework
20:38 szabgab 10 commandment?
20:38 Getty that is MooseX::POE+POE::Component::IRC
20:38 Getty just made handy
20:38 szabgab and all tat stuff?
20:38 Getty what you mean?
20:38 szabgab Moses
20:39 Getty hehe
20:39 Getty he just wanted something with M in front
20:39 Getty Moses extends Adam
20:39 szabgab I just came back from the desert
20:39 szabgab Messiah ?
20:39 Getty its much easier to write bots with that, cause you just tell on what event => you want todo what, and dont need to hazzle with the POE stuff
20:40 szabgab Mordor?
20:40 Getty lol ;)
20:40 Getty so that he can make oses for Moses without the Moose ;)
20:40 szabgab have you seen the code of Padre?
20:40 Getty yeah no moose, i know
20:40 szabgab I don't remember POEing there
20:40 Getty yeah but i talk about hyppolit
20:41 Getty :)
20:41 szabgab you see, I told you I am tired
20:41 Getty hehe :)
20:41 szabgab I meant Hyppolit
20:41 Getty Hyppolit is POE
20:41 Getty :)
20:41 Getty lol
20:45 szabgab I think I go to sleep before I hurt myself with this XML file...
20:46 Getty lol ;)
20:46 Getty have fun
20:47 szabgab night&
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20:53 Sewi same for me: night &
20:54 Getty mh
20:54 Getty i hate the Hyppolit code already ;)
20:55 szabgab I am still awake, I can see you!
20:55 Getty Haha! :)
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20:55 Getty szabgab: please tell me you want it easier ;) would love to port it to Moses....
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21:07 Hyppolit svn: r8240 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8240
21:07 Hyppolit Updated Padre Italian translation
21:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
21:15 El_Che http://onperl.ru/onperl/2009/09/​pro-perl-na-raznix-jazikax.html
21:15 El_Che Gabor is big in Russia
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22:59 Getty oh man, its totally hardcore to work with POE without MooseX::POE... but i get it again
23:19 tracbot #488: allow script to recognize when executed by Padre (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/488#comment:2 ]
23:19 tracbot #394: Close DocBrowser with Escape key (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/394#comment:5 ]
23:19 tracbot #488: allow script to recognize when executed by Padre (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/488#comment:3 ]
23:46 Getty i'm more against direct trac db reading, the db is not good for that
23:46 Getty ;)
23:50 Getty mhmmhmhmh

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