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IRC log for #padre, 2009-09-29

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00:08 Alias_ <Sewi> Or just replace the splash by a "censored by Debian" picture :-)
00:08 Alias_ I was actually thinking of renaming Padre to "Ice Moth" for Debian :)
00:09 Getty mh?
00:09 Getty problem with debian?
00:09 Getty i hope not
00:10 CSJewell Picture licensing problem. :(
00:10 Alias_ Debian needs all imagery to be commercial
00:10 CSJewell afaict.
00:10 Getty then replace it? ;)
00:10 Alias_ Most photography on Flickr etc worth stealing has Non-Commercial
00:10 Alias_ So we'll put two images into Padre
00:10 Alias_ Debian will just delete the one they can't use
00:11 Alias_ And then Padre will automatically switch to the backup "boring" splash/about imagery
00:11 Getty i dont think they can do it...
00:11 Alias_ They can patch files, so they can delete files
00:11 Getty it would be still laying on their servers in the source .tar.gz
00:11 Getty dont know if that would make a problem
00:11 Getty they are very strict
00:11 Alias_ It won't be in the source tarball
00:12 Alias_ It will be in our tarball, but not theirs
00:12 Getty what about going non-free and "who cares"?
00:12 Getty just curious
00:12 Getty everybody uses non-free
00:13 Getty but best would be to solve it
00:13 Getty and get a proper licensed picture
00:13 Getty i mean should be that hard for a splash screen, or?
00:13 Getty shouldnt be
00:13 Alias_ It's hard
00:13 Alias_ Surprisingly so
00:14 Getty if you dont have any suggestions, i can give you an email of an graphican who might spare some time, i got some wishes free from him, i could even ask a girl graphican ;) she is much more artistic
00:15 Getty you can tell him what you think and direction and he can do something, or i let the girl free hand ;) she is full artistic ;)
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00:21 Alias_ We've asked someone to do a boring one
00:21 Alias_ Lets see how it goes first
00:21 Ryan52 I'll remove the splash screen altogether before i move it to non-free
00:22 Ryan52 buut yes Alias's plan will be no problem, I can repack the tarball to remove the file.
00:30 Getty Alias: if it doesnt work out just gimme a shot
00:33 Alias_ Yup, will do
00:34 Alias_ Getty: We actually want to rotate or replace the "pretty" ones at regular intervals
00:34 Alias_ So it might be worthwhile anyway
00:45 Getty or add severals and always make a random one, and people can vote "i dont wanna see that" out ;)
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01:10 Alias_ Theoretically a good idea, except for the tarball bloat factor
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01:54 Getty Alias: longtime it should reduce to one
01:54 Getty Alias: so it would be only a middle-time bloat factor
01:54 Getty would be interesting to see what people "world wide" thinks about specific picture styles
01:54 Getty or do a chinese dude, prefer pictures of chinese artist?
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03:35 user_1261 hi, question: how do I actually utilize a pre-built padre plugin?
03:36 user_1261 I just downloaded padre::plugin::vi, and reloaded all plugins in padre
03:37 Alias_ You might need to restart Padre atm
03:37 Alias_ I don't think it detects newly installed plugins (yet)
03:37 Alias_ Just handles upgrades to things that are already installed
03:39 user_1261 beautiful
03:39 user_1261 thanks for that
03:41 user_1261 and with the cpan plugin list
03:42 user_1261 do you have to use the filter text box in order to find what you're looking for? it doesn't seem to allow scrolling past a certain # of modules
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04:18 GabrielVieira Hi!
04:18 GabrielVieira =)
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04:27 GabrielVieira garu: happy birthday!!
04:31 garu GabrielVieira, thanks :)
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05:27 Sewi good morning
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05:36 Sewi hi zuismanm
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06:22 garu wow, Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.20 fails several tests :(
06:23 garu you guys know about this, right?
06:23 garu :)
06:23 garu (sorry, haven't been around lately :/)
06:24 Sewi hi garu
06:25 garu hi Sewi!
06:25 Sewi the current requirement is 0.18, please create a ticket for the 0.20 failures if there is none.
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06:27 azawawi good morning
06:28 azawawi Ryan52: please take a look at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2009-09-28#i_1549728
06:29 Ryan52 "Sewi
06:29 Ryan52 "Debian never uses current versions :-)"
06:29 azawawi Ryan52: I am sorry that I "ping-ed" yesterday and slept but it was like 1am :)
06:29 Ryan52 uhh, ya, we don't use current versions when upstream won't legally allow us to.
06:30 Ryan52 :)
06:30 azawawi Ryan52: so is it only the splash screen?
06:30 Ryan52 yep.
06:31 azawawi how about changing it to a blank white splash with the text Padre IDE?
06:31 Ryan52 oh, ribasushi knows jawnsy.
06:32 Sewi Ryan52: Sorry for joking about Debian but I got so much problem with their nothing-new-policy starting from kernels which don't support hardware build in the last 1,5 years :-(
06:33 azawawi I do not think a splash screen should a show-stopper for a debian upload
06:33 azawawi how about us providing two configuration for Padre?
06:33 Ryan52 that's Alias's idea.
06:33 Ryan52 and he contacted somebody
06:33 Ryan52 so waiting on that person
06:33 Ryan52 but ya, I should just patch out the splash screen or something.
06:33 ribasushi azawawi: it was a show stopper for firefox, so I doubt you're special :)
06:33 Ryan52 ribasushi: ya jawnsy doesn't do Padre, that's mostly me now...
06:33 Ryan52 I do "make" him package all the deps tho ;)
06:34 ribasushi :)
06:36 Ryan52 azawawi: "azawawi sudo cpan Padre
06:36 Ryan52 "
06:36 Ryan52 never "sudo cpan"
06:36 Ryan52 it breaks stuff.
06:36 azawawi Ryan52: i use it on ubuntu :)
06:36 Sewi Ryan52: Nope, sudo cpan is what I do all the time (Ubuntu)
06:36 Ryan52 I know, I used it for a while on Debian too.
06:36 Ryan52 it does screw up permissions tho.
06:37 Sewi Yes, for the .cpan in your homedir.
06:37 Ryan52 http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/pdx-​pm-list/2007-November/004781.html
06:37 azawawi Ryan52: then we need to write something about sudo cpan Padre and cpan Padre on ubuntu and Debian
06:37 Ryan52 you should instead set make_install_make_command and mbuild_install_build_command to use sudo
06:37 Ryan52 it's not specific to debian and ubuntu.
06:38 garu Ryan52++ # "sudo cpan" always breaks stuff around here
06:38 Ryan52 it should apply to all sudo-abusing unixes.
06:38 azawawi garu: i see you :)
06:38 garu sudo pip works like a charm, though
06:38 El_Che sudo -i
06:38 garu azawawi, morning azawawi!
06:38 El_Che cpan
06:38 garu azawawi, it's my birthday today :)
06:39 azawawi garu: happy birthday
06:39 garu it's also like 4am
06:39 Ryan52 garu: happy birthday!
06:39 garu thanks guys!
06:39 azawawi Ryan52: how about releasing a garu-Padre release :)
06:39 garu lol
06:40 garu I don't deserve it
06:40 garu but thanks for the thought anyway :)
06:40 garu things are starting to shape up again at work, so I might hang out a bit more around here
06:41 garu maybe fix some of Alias_'s bugs (just kidding :P)
06:42 * Ryan52 drifts off to sleep, and thinks garu should do the same...enjoy your birthday! :)
06:43 garu Ryan52, absolutely
06:43 garu thanks
06:43 garu and g'night to y'all :)
06:43 garu &
06:43 azawawi Ryan52: one last question before sleeping :)
06:44 Sewi garu: Happy Birthday!
06:44 azawawi Ryan52: what's debian's problem with splash-es?
06:44 azawawi Ryan52: if you could provide a ticket or a link so i can follow up on it
06:45 azawawi Ryan52: and if we provide 2-splashes and you delete the other one. Does that solve the problem?
06:47 Sewi azawawi: It does.
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07:23 azawawi Sewi: so we should do that... fallback to simple splash if the butterfly splash is not found...
07:23 Sewi sure
07:24 * azawawi fixing :)
07:26 Sewi Remember the about dialog...
07:29 azawawi yup
07:29 azawawi and the icons
07:33 Sewi Are they made of the same image?
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07:44 ribasushi ok back to trying to install wxWudgets on debian
07:44 ribasushi I have all the -dev packages I'd need
07:44 ribasushi I still get
07:44 ribasushi configure: error: OpenGL libraries not available
07:44 ribasushi how do I diagnose this
07:52 * Sewi installed Wx via apt-get
07:52 patspam so.. is Padre going to eventually become a wxPerl app framework sorta like Eclipse is for Java?
07:53 Sewi But Ubuntu has a newer version. Maybe you need to give a -- switch to configure?
07:53 ribasushi Sewi: if I do - padre keeps telling me I have 2.7 and it wants 2.8
07:53 Sewi patspam: I hope we won't - Padre is much faster :-) But it does work well also for developing Wx Apps.
07:54 patspam heh yeah I meant in the positive sense
07:54 Sewi patspam: I know :-)
07:55 patspam I'd love to have some sort of InstantCRUD thing for prototyping table-driven wxPerl apps
07:58 Sewi patspam: You're welcome developing or starting it (as a core function or Plugin). :-)
07:59 Alias_ patspam: It's feeling a bit like it might
07:59 patspam awesome
07:59 Alias_ Not for a while though
08:00 Alias_ But I get the feeling it's slowly heading in that direction
08:00 patspam first I need to get comfortable with building wx controls, then I might have a crack at it
08:00 Alias_ We do currently have a dialog generator, but it's not very good
08:00 Alias_ Uses fixed widths etc
08:00 patspam I really liked your blog post about how you go about generating/cleaning up a wx interface
08:01 Alias_ I wish I had a blog that supported images etc
08:01 Alias_ mst has been promising me one
08:01 patspam dang, which blogging system doesn't have images?
08:02 Alias_ use.perl.org
08:02 Alias_ I refuse to become a system administrator just to have a blog
08:02 patspam you can't even put in raw html img tags?
08:03 Alias_ Also, use.perl.org survives basically ever nanny filter
08:03 Alias_ Nope
08:03 Alias_ use.perl is based on slashdot code
08:03 Alias_ So it's got anal anti-haxxor tag filtering
08:03 patspam far out! that's pretty ordinary in 2009
08:03 Alias_ Well, it's a journal for techies, not a blog for writers
08:03 patspam hard to make perl look sexy when you can't include screenshots
08:04 Alias_ It's being used ass backwards really, with use.perl
08:04 Alias_ Trouble is most of the other easy blog places get caught in anti-social networking nanny filters
08:04 patspam ah ok, so only alternative is to self-host
08:04 Alias_ And I prefer a wide audience and no maintenance to wasting my time and not being able to see the blog
08:04 Alias_ No, the alternative is con someone into running something for me :)
08:05 patspam even better!
08:05 patspam so on another topic, what's the advantage of putting Padre::Plugin::WebGUI into the padre svn?
08:06 Alias_ 1. It counts towards the contributor count, commit count, and line count of "Padre" :)
08:06 Alias_ 2. Other people pretty much automatically can make changes to it and help out without the need for special permissions
08:06 Alias_ 3. If we want to make changes to the plugin API, we're able to know it will break your plugin in advance
08:06 Alias_ 4. It's easier for other people to steal good ideas from you
08:07 patspam #3 is especially good
08:07 Hyppolit #3: In "open file" show filenames without extension as well (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/3#comment:2 ]
08:07 Alias_ 5. We can watch your new improvements as you add them, not only once you reach release time
08:07 Alias_ 6. Anyone you recruit to help out also automatically gets commit to Padre as a whole
08:07 patspam ok I'm sold!
08:07 Alias_ yay
08:08 Alias_ Welcome to the Creative Anarchy
08:08 patspam I'll drink to that
08:09 patspam have you written the manifesto yet?
08:09 Alias_ We stole the idea from Audrey
08:09 Alias_ Pugs did it first
08:10 Alias_ We're still accumulating experience on how you run a non-experimental project this way :)
08:10 Alias_ Slowly some rules of thumb are emerging
08:11 Alias_ Things like "Everyone can implement buggy shit code on trunk if it adds new features, but you should prevent CHANGING existing designs unless you know what you are doing"
08:11 Alias_ Where to encourage people to just get and in do stuff vs where to hold people back
08:11 Alias_ Spontaneous random features seems to work, spontaneous random refactoring not so much
08:12 patspam do you think it'll still work once Padre has a mainstream/stable user base?
08:12 Alias_ Sure
08:12 Alias_ But mostly because Padre is a developer tool, not a piece of infrastructure
08:12 Alias_ If we were a monitoring system or a CRM or a wiki etc it wouldn't work so well
08:13 Alias_ You noticing development tools when you have then, you notice infrastructure when you don't have thenm
08:13 Alias_ So this apparently riskier approach works much better for development tools, because the trade-off of features vs risk is much more worth it
08:15 patspam I really dig the way it's channeling people's creative urges
08:16 Alias_ yup
08:16 Alias_ It's an economic feedback loop
08:17 Alias_ Special case though, because our entire consumer base is qualified to be contributors
08:18 patspam non-developers can be great contributors on a project too though right? most of them just don't know it
08:18 zuismanm Hi dear ALL... Do some one have some link to working (even simple) example of code - using PPI??? (Especially for analysing caller/callee relations)?
08:19 zuismanm I saw before some time some examples in net - but do not success to find them now...
08:20 zuismanm Another question - some links/examples of use of PPI to analysze few files together (not sinlge file)...
08:21 Alias_ Someone did a cross reference thing
08:21 Alias_ That's in the cpan
08:21 Alias_ XPAN?
08:21 Alias_ I forget
08:23 Alias_ http://search.cpan.org/~cla​esjac/CPANXR-0.08/CPANXR.pm
08:23 Alias_ That maybe
08:27 patspam Alias_: can you reset my svn password for me?
08:27 patspam or can i do that?
08:27 patspam ah never mind
08:28 patspam same pass as padre.perlide.org
08:28 Hyppolit svn: r8454 | patspam++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8454
08:28 Hyppolit Added Padre::Plugin::WebGUI plugin
08:28 Hyppolit trunk/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/​lib/Padre/Document/WebGUI/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib​/Padre/Document/WebGUI/Asset/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/lib/Padre/Plugin/WebGUI/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/share/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI/share/i
08:29 zuismanm Hi! CPANXR realy do some kind of cross reference - but it does not user PPI
08:31 Alias_ oh, I thought it used to
08:31 Alias_ Sorry
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08:36 Sewi ping azawawi
08:37 azawawi Sewi: pong
08:38 Sewi Running PerlTidy (Ctrl-Shift-F) removes highlighting now.
08:38 Sewi Statusbar= Scintilla, Perl 5, UNIX
08:39 azawawi Sewi: i do not follow
08:41 Hyppolit #615: Plugin Exception Catching (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/615 ]
08:41 Sewi Open a Perl (5) file in Padre, then press Ctrl-Shift-F to run PerlTidy (if you enabled the Plugin) and all highlighting is removed.
08:41 Sewi I thought it might be due to your changes from yesterday...
08:42 azawawi you mean smart highlighting as you select stuff?
08:42 Sewi I didn't select anything.
08:43 * azawawi debugs Padre UNC path problems
09:15 * Sewi &
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10:22 Hyppolit svn: r8455 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8455
10:22 Hyppolit [Padre] Perl tidy
10:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/
10:22 waxhead man this wireless nic is a pain!
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10:28 Hyppolit svn: r8456 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8456
10:28 Hyppolit [Padre] Handle UNC paths on win32
10:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:30 Hyppolit #611: File | Open does not support UNC path (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/611#comment:2 ]
10:37 Hyppolit svn: r8457 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8457
10:37 Hyppolit [Padre] Perl tidy
10:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:37 Hyppolit svn: r8458 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8458
10:37 Hyppolit [Padre] Updated Changes
10:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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10:57 Hyppolit svn: r8459 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8459
10:57 Hyppolit [Padre] Fixed the typing slowness bug when typing UPPERCASE using shift key (side effect from smart highlighting)
10:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:58 Hyppolit svn: r8460 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8460
10:58 Hyppolit [Padre] Perl tidy
10:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:59 Hyppolit svn: r8461 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8461
10:59 Hyppolit [Padre] Updated Changes
10:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
11:37 CSJewell Happy birthday, garu.
11:37 Hyppolit svn: r8462 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8462
11:37 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Bumped version to 0.76
11:37 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/Syntax/Highlight/ trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/script/
11:40 Hyppolit svn: r8463 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8463
11:40 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Updated Changes for 0.76 release
11:40 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/
11:42 Hyppolit svn: r8464 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8464
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] Bundled the latest STD innovation (lwall++):
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - package name refactor; stashes now know their own unique id name
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6]   conflicting package symbols now report which package they conflict in
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6]   (lexicals are always assumed to conflict in the current scope)
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - add AttributeDeclarand and ContainerDeclarand roles to CORE.setting
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - make mechanism for checking infix ops in EXPR reduce
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - delay .= check till EXPR reduction time
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - require () on .'foo'() calls
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - delete obsolete .:foo form
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - recognize sub stubs and don't complain about redefinition
11:42 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - move pi, e, and i out of term:-space; they are now just CORE constants
11:43 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - make undefined message slightly L LTA
11:43 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - add warning comment to dotty section about starting with dot
11:43 Hyppolit [S:H:P6] - catch attempt to declare symbol previously aliased into an outer scope
11:43 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/
11:48 Getty what is that?
11:48 azawawi what's what?
11:48 Getty this stuff...
11:48 Getty ah, highlighting
11:48 azawawi S:H:P6?
11:48 Getty now i get it
11:49 azawawi S:H:P6 bundles a compiled perl 5 version of Larry Wall Perl 6 STD.pm
11:49 azawawi which is the official Perl 6 grammar
11:49 azawawi http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/src/perl6/STD.pm
11:55 azawawi Sewi: Open URL and drag-n-drop seems broken on trunk
11:56 azawawi Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at ../lib/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 3990.
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12:25 waxhead Alias_: ping
12:32 Alias_ pong
12:34 waxhead Alias_: sorry got it sussed... playing around with wxGlade
12:34 waxhead couldn't work out how to get it to save perl code...
12:34 waxhead and then the window popped up and it was clear--er
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12:35 waxhead it's a better way than by hand..
12:36 waxhead ok time for bed...
12:36 waxhead night
12:38 GabrielVieira Getty:  :)
12:38 Getty hey gab :)
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12:50 Hyppolit #616: Recognize and explain when user mixes $x, %x and @x (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/616 ]
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15:59 dapatrick Hey thre.
15:59 dapatrick there.
16:00 dapatrick Anyone else having trouble install Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.20.tar.gz?
16:00 dapatrick I'm running Padre trunk, which has a dependency on it.
16:00 dapatrick make test fails.
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16:29 azawawi dapatrick: installed fine on 0.20
16:29 azawawi dapatrick: on vista i mean
16:29 azawawi dapatrick: linux or win?
16:47 dapatrick I'm on Linux.
16:47 dapatrick Perl 5.10.0
16:51 dapatrick Wx version .93.
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17:29 kthakore hello where do I get the padre 0.47 zip file from the main site?
17:30 tsee search.cpan.org/dist/Padre has a download link
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17:39 kthakore ok
17:39 kthakore tsee: where is the link?
17:40 tsee http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/autho​rs/id/R/RS/RSN/Padre-0.47.tar.gz
17:40 kthakore tsee: the msi link I meant
17:40 kthakore oh no I can't compile here
17:40 kthakore I wanted the zip binaries
17:40 tsee ah, BINARY, sorry.
17:40 tsee Nevemind, then.
17:40 kthakore I need it for a coworker
17:40 kthakore there is no 0.47 msi?
17:41 tsee Don't ask me, I'm just a cpan user.
17:41 kthakore tsee: same here :(
17:41 kthakore tsee: can I package my CPAN install for my coworker?
17:42 tsee Doubtful.
17:42 tsee Why not run "cpan Padre"?
17:43 tsee Or download this and then simply upgrade Padre: http://strawberryperl.com/down​load/padre-standalone-0.45.msi
17:43 tsee (Hopefully, it doesn't change the prereqs for any XS modules)
17:43 kthakore whats new in 0.47 vs 0.45?
17:43 kthakore they will be doing a lot of refactoring
17:43 kthakore is it better in 0.47?
17:44 tsee Check the changelog.
17:44 kthakore fine ...
17:44 * kthakore does all the work himeself
17:44 tsee (I simply don't know, I'm out of touch)
17:44 kthakore ok
17:44 kthakore dude
17:44 kthakore the changes are insane!
17:44 kthakore how do you guys do that!
17:44 kthakore wow
17:45 kthakore I watsee so I will compile 0.47 from scratch in CPAN
17:45 kthakore how can I make a simple zip file out of it?
17:46 tsee I was suggesting somethign else.
17:46 tsee a) Co-worker installs 0.45 msi.
17:46 tsee b) co-worker upgrades via CPAN
17:46 tsee (the msi comes with a full perl)
17:46 kthakore is that doa ble?
17:46 kthakore oooh
17:47 kthakore but she already has strawberry install
17:48 tsee Then she can just install via CPAN
17:50 kthakore except behind firewall cannot get Wx stuff
17:51 tsee You can put the .tar.gz into the build directory, iirc and it'll pick it up.
17:51 tsee Alien::wxWidgets build directory, that is.
17:51 kthakore ok
17:51 kthakore looks like its manual hack time
17:51 kthakore thanks tsee
17:51 kthakore man looking at the Changelog is just .. wow
17:52 kthakore sewi, azwawi should do SDL
17:52 kthakore :P
17:53 kthakore tsee: another question
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18:18 CSJewell Yes, upgrading the 0.45 msi via CPAN is quite doable!
18:19 CSJewell dapatrick: Wx-Perl-ProcessStream 0.20 not passing tests is a known problem and is being worked on. Anybody else have suggestions on what to do for now?
18:34 kthakore um
18:34 kthakore I am gettign this test fail
18:35 kthakore t/92-padre-file.t .................. 29/45 #   Failed test 'HTTP: file size'
18:35 kthakore hopes its not important
18:37 dapatrick CSJewell: Thanks.  I figured that.
18:38 dapatrick CSJewell: I'm just going to force install for now, I think.
18:38 CSJewell kthakore: Another known problem. :)
18:39 kthakore not important then?
18:39 CSJewell I think yours was being discussed yesterday or the day before - look through the IRC log sites that are in the topic.  I don't think it's important, but I'm not sure.
18:40 kthakore fast padre is fast!!!
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18:48 ejb Anyone used Wx::PopupWindow?
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19:26 Sewi kthakore: Skip the test. The HTTP client in 0.47 doesn't use proxy settings, this is fixed in trunk.
19:26 Sewi kthakore: If possible, please try the trunk version to see if it works...
19:27 kthakore ok Sewi
19:28 kthakore is there a pip I can do please
19:28 kthakore ?
19:28 kthakore :?
19:28 kthakore Sewi: or just point me to a tarball
19:28 Sewi no, the trunk is only avaible via svn, sorry.
19:29 kthakore Sewi: ok I will look into it
19:29 Sewi kthakore: thanks
19:30 Sewi kthakore: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download#​Moredetailedinstructionformanualinstallation
19:31 kthakore Sewi: no problem
19:33 Hyppolit svn: r8465 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8465
19:33 Hyppolit Test #92 with optional HTTP
19:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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19:48 Sewi Hi szabgab!
19:49 szabgab hi
19:51 szabgab I just dropped by as I am looking for a blog post I saw on Ironman that was comparing how Jave and C# allows ISVs and people to make money on them and Perl does not
19:51 szabgab and I cannot find the post
19:53 szabgab oh I found it: http://mechanicalrevolution.com/blo​g/dynamic_languages_and_money.html
19:56 El_Che http://jjnapiorkowski.vox.com/li​brary/post/why-all-the-hate.html ?
19:56 El_Che oh you found it
19:58 Sewi We should build up an international network of Perl academies. :-)
19:58 szabgab I am on it :-)
20:00 El_Che szabgab: you as a traveller, are you planning to do FOSDEM in Brussels?
20:01 szabgab when is FOSDEM?
20:01 El_Che normally in february
20:01 El_Che FOSDEM 2010: 6+7 February 2010
20:02 El_Che http://fosdem.org/2010/
20:02 szabgab I have a long list of conference that I'd like to try to attend
20:02 szabgab that's a bit border line
20:02 El_Che pretty big in Europe
20:02 szabgab FOSDEM was one of the conference I wanted to attend
20:03 szabgab I'll be in Austria skiing with my kids on the last week of January
20:03 El_Che been there a few times, and I should know some of the organisators
20:03 El_Che nice
20:03 szabgab so I have to see if I can fit it in
20:03 szabgab and if I can finance it
20:03 Sewi szabgab: Should be less than an hour on plane :-)
20:04 Sewi (Or 3-6 hours if you fly yourself :-) )
20:04 El_Che for me I have to write and prepare two papers/tasks for the comings weeks. One in Spanish, the other in French. My head will explode :)
20:04 El_Che then I am doing a week-long security course at SUN
20:05 El_Che and got deadlines at work to deliver java code
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20:11 szabgab El_Che, sounds like fun
20:11 El_Che a one month old waking me at night and a birthday party for the 2-year old daughter
20:12 El_Che yeah
20:12 El_Che I am alive :)
20:12 Sewi :-)
20:22 szabgab El_Che, which one is the French and which one is the Spanish?
20:31 El_Che French: "Latin America in the Flemish quality press: a Venezuelan case-study", in spanish: "Stereotype, myth and national identity in the essays of Hugo Chávez"
20:46 Hyppolit #617: Random crashes while editing (syntax highlighting suggestion) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/617 ]
20:54 Hyppolit #618: Minimalistic syntax highlighter? (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/618 ]
21:05 dapatrick Woah.
21:05 dapatrick I just tried to open a Build.PL and Padre crashed with: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/darianp/perl5/lib/perl5/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 3990.
21:07 szabgab dapatrick, which version of Padre?
21:12 dapatrick trunk
21:12 dapatrick Just updated.
21:13 szabgab oh, there were some recent changes in that subroutine
21:13 * Sewi fixing...
21:14 szabgab thanks, and I am going to sleep :-)
21:14 szabgab night &
21:15 Hyppolit svn: r8466 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8466
21:15 Hyppolit Bugfix undefined value
21:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
21:15 Sewi dapatrick: Thanks for reporting, go ahead
21:17 dapatrick Updating now.
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