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Alias_ |
Dear Padre |
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Alias_ |
You are falling behind my repository again, k tnks bye! :) |
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* Alias_ |
pulls away again, getting closer to 1000 higher :) |
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Hyppolit |
#619: Multiple files open, editor switches between tabs by itself (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/619 ] |
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mohsen |
anybody knows why padre::plugin::commanline doesn't work? |
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mohsen |
it says padre::plugin::commandline is not padre::plugin subclass |
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Hyppolit |
#620: Suggestion: Hotkey to indent/unindent selection (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/620 ] |
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Alias_ |
My guess would be that Padre::Plugin::CommandLine is not a Padre::Plugin subclass :) |
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Ryan52 |
woah Alias_ you're good at this lol |
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Alias_ |
It's amazing how often doing that actually works |
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Sewi |
good morning |
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Ryan52 |
good morning Sewi |
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Sewi |
Hi Ryan52. |
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Sewi |
Any Debian news? |
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Ryan52 |
no free time atm. |
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Sewi |
I know this problem myself :-( |
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Hyppolit |
#617: Random crashes while editing (syntax highlighting suggestion) (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/617#comment:2 ] |
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azawawi |
good morning |
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Sewi |
azawawi: good morning |
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azawawi |
that bugfix should fix drag-n-drop and open url |
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* azawawi |
tests it |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8467 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8467 |
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Hyppolit |
[Padre] convert relative to absolute path only if the file exists... |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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azawawi |
/clear |
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azawawi |
:) |
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azawawi |
btw, on win32 open file dialog can read urls by default |
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azawawi |
and they are placed in internet explorer's temporary cache... |
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azawawi |
Sewi: they now work as expected. Sewi++ |
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azawawi |
Sewi: Alias said 'Dear Padre, You are falling behind my repository again, k tnks bye! :)' |
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azawawi |
Alias: ) |
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azawawi |
Alias: :) |
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azawawi |
Alias: :;) |
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Sewi |
azawawi: Thanks, but this isn't what Padre::File want's :-) Win downloads the file itself and give the App a local file and Padre::File should be cable of really editing remote files. |
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azawawi |
Eclipse run dialogs are really powerful |
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azawawi |
i configured a task to "open in windows explorer" the current file and it worked without a glitch |
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azawawi |
lots of variables to use... even env variables... |
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azawawi |
having such a system in Padre would allow perltidy, perlcritic to be merely external tasks... |
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azawawi |
Eclipse JEE edition opens in 5 seconds while Padre opens in 3 secs ... Not bad :) |
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Sewi |
Yeah, 3 secs too much :-)) |
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azawawi |
the trick is to lazy load stuff |
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azawawi |
padre => 37 MB, eclipse => 120 MB |
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azawawi |
on startup, so i guess on a low memory, padre would win everytime |
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mohsen |
is Wx::Perl::ProcessStream working? |
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azawawi |
it works on win atm |
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azawawi |
i think there was a linux bug report about yesterday |
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azawawi |
installation-wise |
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azawawi |
Sewi: it takes like 13-sec to PPI parse all of the project's *.pm files (on Padre) |
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submersible |
tsee: ping! |
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tsee |
submersible, sorry, on the run. |
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submersible |
np - try me later or tomorrw |
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tsee |
If you send me mail, I'll be able to reply on the we. |
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tsee |
I'll be on a trip until friday. |
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tsee |
Sorry. |
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submersible |
rgr. which addr? |
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tsee |
The cpan one will do. |
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submersible |
thanks |
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tsee |
smueller is the id :) |
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azawawi |
submersible: hey |
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submersible |
hi |
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mohsen |
Wx-Perl-ProcessStream tests are broken in linux |
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azawawi |
submersible: do you know how to access the number of methods,variables in a running perl process? |
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submersible |
oooh - |
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submersible |
ask a different question |
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mohsen |
i'm trying to write a plugin two show log tails in a panel, any idea how i can read end of files? |
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azawawi |
mohsen: 0.19 works but 0.20 |
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submersible |
azawawi: 'why' do u want to know..? :_) |
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mohsen |
i tried with ProcessStream but seems it's not gonna work on my linux box |
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azawawi |
submersible: padre info tab containing stuff about what padre is doing is cool |
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mohsen |
any idea? |
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submersible |
mohsen: I think cpan has some prior art for tailing streams |
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azawawi |
mohsen: pip 0.19 it should work |
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mohsen |
is those are blocking? |
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* submersible |
slaps head |
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azawawi |
mohsen: pip http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/au[…]tream-0.19.tar.gz |
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submersible |
sry |
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mohsen |
i'm looking for non-blocking or event based thingy...i guess |
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submersible |
mohsen: consider a ::Task or ::Service |
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submersible |
actually would need to be a service |
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mohsen |
submersible: what's these two? i've no clue |
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submersible |
see Padre::Task |
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mohsen |
ok |
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submersible |
and by extension Padre::Service |
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submersible |
you could write a service that uses blocking io in another thread (tasks and services run in separate threads to the gui) |
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submersible |
and when the service thread sees some data from it's log tailer (whatever that is) it can ->post_event() back to the gui |
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mohsen |
then which one is best for my purpose? |
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submersible |
task has no feedback ... so not what u want |
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mohsen |
service or task? |
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submersible |
subclass service |
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mohsen |
ok |
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submersible |
I think there may be only one example.. |
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mohsen |
let me see what service has to say...i need to find what's all about |
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submersible |
in fact.. looking closer - there are no users of service except something awful I'm still working on |
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submersible |
so there are bound to be some bugs. |
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ponders Coro again |
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Hyppolit |
#617: Random crashes while editing (syntax highlighting suggestion) (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/617#comment:1.3 ] |
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kthakore |
hi |
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kthakore |
who is reponsible for padre's trac site? |
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kthakore |
I need help setting mines up. |
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kthakore |
msg me . bb & |
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Sewi |
kthakore: look out for szabgab... |
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shadowpaste |
"daxim" at 217.168.144.84 pasted "Wx-Perl-ProcessStream test failures" (113 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/34412 |
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Sewi: ok |
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Sewi: I tried the trunk no fail on my linux box! |
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daxim |
Sewi, are you aware of the existence of Number::Format and Number::Bytes::Human? |
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daxim |
if yes, what do you do different to justify your module's existence? |
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Sewi |
daxim: I'm not aware of them, sorry. Seems that I did double work, tried many searches on CPAN but didn't find them. |
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daxim |
yeah, you can delete it |
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daxim |
I have a whole collection of reinvented wheels |
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daxim |
Recode Text::FindLinks Hash::Path Encode::Bootstring Math::NumberBase Lingua::Lid App::MultiLanguage Money::Chinese |
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daxim |
and that's just from the last two months. |
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daxim: But N:D:H gives different results and is alpha |
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daxim |
results for what? |
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Sewi |
I just looked at the CPAN site... It shows fixed decimals. |
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daxim |
sorry, you confuse me; can you say more clearly what is expected and what is wrong? |
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Sewi |
An F:H:B gives more exact results, it shows 2048 kB instead of 2 MB (which could be 2040 or 2500 kB), the switchover is at 8. |
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Sewi |
It's not wrong, but the samples show one fixed decimal instead of a configurable amount. No big differences :-) |
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daxim |
can't you just subclass existing modules? or provide a patch to the original author? |
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Sewi |
daxim: I uploaded a Module which I used for 5 years or so, maybe even more. Just made an installer package of it (which was harder than I thought) and rewrote the tests, it isn't a subclass of N:B:H or a patch. It has nothing to do with it. |
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daxim |
as you wish. just keep in mind that senseless module proliferation doesn't help anybody, especially since no one can easily tell the differences and advantages between thematically related modules except the authors themselves |
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Alias |
Pot, meet Kettle :) |
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Sewi |
daxim: I know what you mean, maybe I should add some more samples to the POD. |
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daxim |
definitely |
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daxim |
and jack it up to Yotta- |
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waxhead |
evening all |
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daxim: And I'll think about merging it to the other one... |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8468 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8468 |
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Hyppolit |
Cloning the original splash to a new ccnc "Creative Common Non-Commercial" file name so that the base filename can be replaced with a boring Debian-friendly splash. |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/share/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8469 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8469 |
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Hyppolit |
Default to last loaded session on save-session |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8470 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8470 |
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Hyppolit |
Removed dump file from PopularityContest |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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Hyppolit |
#620: Suggestion: Hotkey to indent/unindent selection (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/620#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8471 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8471 |
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Hyppolit |
Add a menu option to show the current report |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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Hyppolit |
#619: Multiple files open, editor switches between tabs by itself (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/619#comment:1 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#619: Multiple files open, editor switches between tabs by itself (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/619#comment:1.2 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#617: Random crashes while editing (syntax highlighting suggestion) (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/617#comment:2.4 ] |
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daxim |
I can't build padre anymore because of Wx-Perl-ProcessStream http://scsys.co.uk:8001/34412 |
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daxim |
do you recommend downgrading or how should I handle this? |
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Sewi |
daxim: The requirement is 0.18 and this works for me (ubuntu), you should try an older version if possible. |
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GabrielVieira |
If anyone have any Padre slides and wants to help garu to make my ( :P ) brazilian slides.. please send me to gabriel.vieira gmail.com :) |
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Sewi |
GabrielVieira: Don't know if this helps, but there are some screenshots of different versions and things in the trac-wiki... |
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Getty |
i'm scared |
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Getty |
today i try to explain 2 perl-beginners the "reference problem" |
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Getty |
(in real) |
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GabrielVieira |
Sewi: Yeah.. helps! I gonna use them too :) |
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Sewi |
Getty: :-) Refs are post-it's which tell you where something is. |
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GabrielVieira |
Getty Sewi you both are invited to YAPC Brasil 2009 in Rio ;) Want better vacation? |
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Getty |
Sewi: dont forget that @ is a very rare concept in coding languages |
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Getty |
Sewi: and dont forget that strange stuff about % is a @ just different |
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Getty |
Sewi: its all scary for beginners ;) |
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* Sewi |
& (cooking) |
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* Alias |
is not invited? :( |
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Getty |
constructs like, you take an array with 3 parts, remove one, and use the rest as hash ;) |
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Getty |
Alias: NO! |
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GabrielVieira |
Alias: you too!! |
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Alias |
(Also, I'm quite sure I couldn't make it anyway) |
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Getty |
;) |
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GabrielVieira |
You all invited :D |
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Getty |
GabrielVieria: timeplan? |
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GabrielVieira |
Getty: October 30 and 31 and November 1st |
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Getty |
1000 EUR for the flight :-/ |
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garu |
... which is why I didn't say anything |
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garu |
but hey, we're learning the ropes on how to conduct a big event |
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garu |
so next year will rock |
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garu |
we'll make YAPC::EU jealous |
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garu |
and you'll all be able to schedule your flights in time :D |
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Getty |
if its in europe |
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Getty |
i would try to gather an own "carpool" system just for the event |
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Getty |
and probably some guys who not come can offer sleeping places for the travel |
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sansbacon |
I can install Padre 0.47 on Ubuntu 9.04 32-bit but get this error on 64-bit |
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sansbacon |
DBI connect('/home/sansbacon/.padre/config.db','',...) failed: unable to open database file at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/ORLite/Migrate.pm line 87 |
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szabgab |
sansbacon, pls check if '/home/sansbacon/.padre/ owned by root ? |
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sansbacon |
that worked -- thanks |
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sansbacon |
i also had a problem with wxWidgets errors if Xinerama was enabled -- i think there is already a bug post on that? |
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szabgab |
I don't know |
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Sewi |
szabgab: Do you have a moment? |
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szabgab |
sorta |
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szabgab |
Sewi, ? |
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Sewi |
Yes, sorry. |
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Sewi |
About Plugin::PopularityContest... It currently sends the report as HTTP-POST request with key=value pairs for the statistic data. |
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szabgab |
yes |
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Sewi |
I think, it should be send to perlide.org. What requirements do you have for scripts there (CGI, mod_perl, ...)? |
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Sewi |
I could do the script, but I need to know how you want it, if it should put the data into a SQL DB, textfiles, etc. |
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szabgab |
cgi that can be loaded as mod_perl :-) |
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szabgab |
but why? |
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szabgab |
do we want to send more complex data there that needs a back-end? |
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szabgab |
why do we need a back-end script? |
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Sewi |
Currently there is a hash which holds key => number_of_times_used - pairs |
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Sewi |
In addition, some _key => version_info data is sent and I plan to send some config_option => value things (nothing critical, just things like which_start_mode, one_instance_mode, etc.) |
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Sewi |
Here is a sample: http://pastebin.ca/1583243 |
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szabgab |
Sewi, I think for this we need to have a bit more serious design and discussion than just adding some more data collection |
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szabgab |
for one, we promised not to collect other data from the user without his/her permission |
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szabgab |
So I think first we should write think over how we would like to get the agreement of the users and what kind of data are we planning to collect (and how to group them) |
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Sewi |
I updated the POD description of the Plugin listing what data is collected and what may be added, added many comments to the module itself and a note that every developer editing this module should add good comments to let every user understand what the module does. |
| 19:56 |
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szabgab |
e.g. Eclipse collects the data locally and then every time before sending it off it asks the user if it can send the date |
| 19:56 |
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szabgab |
data |
| 19:56 |
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Sewi |
atm the transmission part is done, tested (with my server) and commented out. We only need to change the URL to the final value and uncomment it, everything else is done (from the developing point of view). |
| 19:57 |
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szabgab |
so if a user has already enabled the plugin as she agreed to the data listed in the previous version, if she upgrades padre we will start to send new kinds of data from Padre |
| 19:57 |
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Sewi |
Personally, I'ld prefer to enable it once (given that it's disabled by default) and don't be distrubed by it again :-) I also added a menu option where the user could see his "current" report. |
| 19:57 |
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szabgab |
I don't think this is acceptablt |
| 19:58 |
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Sewi |
Yes, we should auto-disable this module if there is no manual activation before 0.48 |
| 19:58 |
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szabgab |
I don't think this is acceptablt - meaning the automatic upgrade of the data stream |
| 20:00 |
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Sewi |
If we add other things in the future and the module is enabled (on 0.48 or later), we should auto-disable the module and ask the user once if he wants to re-enable it while showing him what we added. |
| 20:00 |
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szabgab |
I guess we need the plugin to be enabled always but it should not send data unless the user agrees to it, the first time it wants to send data, the user |
| 20:01 |
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szabgab |
can then decide to allow now/ allow always/ not allow |
| 20:01 |
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szabgab |
and maybe "later" |
| 20:01 |
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szabgab |
so there will be a popup before every sending unless the user marked "send always" |
| 20:02 |
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Sewi |
This seems to be the best way - everyone who enabled the module in the past is collecting data but it is destroyed at Padre's exit if he doesn't allow transmission before. |
| 20:02 |
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szabgab |
and if the data we collect changes we reset the flag |
| 20:02 |
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Sewi |
...to "ask on every send". Sounds very good to me. |
| 20:03 |
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szabgab |
I am not sure I'd want to destroy the data on every send, it could be saved in a log file and analyzed locally |
| 20:03 |
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szabgab |
or sent later |
| 20:03 |
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szabgab |
even if the user did not want to send it when we asked to do it |
| 20:04 |
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Sewi |
atm it's just a Hash, the data is kept (and added) until Padre exists. If there is more then one transmission from one instance, the instace ID allowes us to use only the last one for statistical purposes. |
| 20:04 |
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szabgab |
and I think there could be categories of data and each catagory can be enabled/disabled separately |
| 20:05 |
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Sewi |
No problem, could be easy done. |
| 20:05 |
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szabgab |
so I think we first need to have a better description/design of this and discuss it among us, Alias also has his strong opinion on privacy |
| 20:06 |
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szabgab |
I think once I sent an e-mail to our maling list with sample data that Eclipse is sending |
| 20:07 |
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Sewi |
Maybe we could get it working on trunk asap so that developers could use it if they want and include it into following releases as soon as we're sure to have a good privacy concept. |
| 20:07 |
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* Sewi |
still needs to subscribe. |
| 20:08 |
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Sewi |
done |
| 20:08 |
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szabgab |
its in the archive somewhere |
| 20:09 |
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Sewi |
I think this is a very important module as it would show us what people use and where we need to inform them that things exist, they don't use. |
| 20:10 |
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Sewi |
http://mail.perlide.org/piperm[…]-June/001063.html |
| 20:11 |
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Sewi |
They're collecting much more than we |
| 20:12 |
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szabgab |
sure I agree that we need to collect a lot more data |
| 20:13 |
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szabgab |
I just want to make sure we know what we are doing |
| 20:17 |
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Sewi |
I'm not sure if collecting much more data (such as a real usage log) would be much better. It gives us more information, but would also slow-down things as the log must be added at many functions and it would be a bigger privacy issue. |
| 20:18 |
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Hyppolit |
#621: Did you know? Startup - notes (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/621 ] |
| 20:19 |
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szabgab |
that's why I'd like to have categories for the data |
| 20:19 |
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szabgab |
so one of them might be "menu options clicked" |
| 20:20 |
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szabgab |
another one might be "perl errors received" |
| 20:21 |
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Sewi |
"config summary" (with a good description stating that we won't use personal data) |
| 20:21 |
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szabgab |
"list of plugins", |
| 20:21 |
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szabgab |
"list of CPAN modules used in code" |
| 20:22 |
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Sewi |
this would be cool :-) |
| 20:23 |
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szabgab |
the point I was thinking about is that we can provide some extra service to registered people, based on the data they submit |
| 20:23 |
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szabgab |
and even charge money for this service |
| 20:24 |
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PerlJam |
szabgab: so ... I give you data (for free), you give me a service (for a fee)? |
| 20:24 |
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Sewi |
Until now, the module is build to report anonymous... |
| 20:24 |
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Sewi |
PerlJam: We could also make it like Microsoft... You pay for Padre-Download, pay for the right to start it, pay for transmitting the data and pay for services :-) |
| 20:24 |
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szabgab |
e.g. you get code analysis service |
| 20:25 |
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szabgab |
error types and frequency compared to other users |
| 20:25 |
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PerlJam |
"how does *your* code stand up to other padre users?" |
| 20:26 |
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szabgab |
there is clearly value in there that companies might pay for |
| 20:26 |
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PerlJam |
and just like keyword guessing and other such features, as you're typing your code, padre can notice patterns and suggest that 53% of padre users did it *this* way instead :) |
| 20:27 |
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Sewi |
Sounds like selling Padre to Google :-) |
| 20:27 |
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PerlJam |
"It looks like you're doing OOP ... are you *sure* you don't want to be using Moose?" |
| 20:27 |
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szabgab |
"pleas pay $10 to bless your hash" |
| 20:27 |
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PerlJam |
"Your version of catalyst is 5.8, but you're still not using Moose-y features. You may want to change that" |
| 20:28 |
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Sewi |
PerlJam: With auto-modification of the source :-) |
| 20:29 |
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PerlJam |
Sewi: that would be a useful thing from the Catalyst plugin. If I could hit a keystroke and have it scour my source turning all my old controllers into Moose-based controllers and updating the Makefile.PL |
| 20:29 |
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szabgab |
PerlJam, open a ticket please |
| 20:30 |
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Sewi |
szabgab: The question is if we should wait until we got such a high level concept for popularity reports or use your ideas for a new module for registered users and keep pop con |
| 20:31 |
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Sewi |
anonymous and statistical only but be able to launch it soon. |
| 20:32 |
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szabgab |
have the concept soon so we can start collecting more data soon |
| 20:32 |
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szabgab |
soon = 1-2 weeks could be enough for this |
| 20:34 |
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Hyppolit |
#622: Catalyst Plugin feature (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/622 ] |
| 20:34 |
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Sewi |
PerlJam: Would you like to do ticket #622? :-) |
| 20:34 |
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Hyppolit |
#622: Catalyst Plugin feature (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/622 ] |
| 20:35 |
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PerlJam |
There are many things I would like to do ... and that's the problem. |
| 20:35 |
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PerlJam |
Why did Hyppolit repeat itself? |
| 20:35 |
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Sewi |
PerlJam: Same to me |
| 20:36 |
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Sewi |
He didn't, I wrote #622 and he replied. Same with #620 |
| 20:36 |
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Hyppolit |
#622: Catalyst Plugin feature (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/622 ] |
| 20:36 |
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PerlJam |
oh, I see |
| 20:36 |
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Sewi |
Hey Hyppolit, I said #620 :-) |
| 20:36 |
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Hyppolit |
#620: Suggestion: Hotkey to indent/unindent selection (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/620#comment:1 ] |
| 20:36 |
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Sewi |
thanks |
| 20:38 |
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PerlJam |
ah Sewi++, thanks for mentioning that ticket. That was another feature I wanted but didn't know existed in padre. |
| 20:38 |
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PerlJam |
padre++ too |
| 20:39 |
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Sewi |
PerlJam: Same to me, this is why I did #621 |
| 20:39 |
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Hyppolit |
#621: Did you know? Startup - notes (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/621 ] |
| 20:39 |
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Hyppolit |
#623: list of plugins (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/623 ] |
| 20:40 |
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Sewi |
szabgab++; for 623 |
| 20:40 |
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PerlJam |
Sewi: I think good, accessible documentation is a prerequisite for #621. Is there a ticket for that? :) |
| 20:40 |
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Hyppolit |
#621: Did you know? Startup - notes (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/621 ] |
| 20:40 |
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szabgab |
PerlJam, AFAIK there is |
| 20:40 |
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Sewi |
PerlJam: It's an alltime problem :-) |
| 20:41 |
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PerlJam |
one of these days I'm going to have to browse padre's tickets and see if there is any fruit hanging low enough within my time/knowledge/energy constraints. |
| 20:42 |
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szabgab |
PerlJam, you are a perl 6 hacker too, right ? |
| 20:42 |
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szabgab |
do you also know Parrot ? |
| 20:42 |
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PerlJam |
though if I worked on anything I think it would be the vi plugin by default. Today I was using Padre and vi at the same time and I kept screwing up my source files in padre because I was doing vi-things without the vi plugin enabled (and some of the things I would do, the vi plugin can't yet) |
| 20:43 |
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szabgab |
those are areas that would be awewome to push forward in Padre |
| 20:43 |
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PerlJam |
szabgab: I've contributed code to both. |
| 20:43 |
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PerlJam |
But again, too much stuff, too little time. |
| 20:43 |
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szabgab |
yes I know that |
| 20:46 |
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PerlJam |
Hmm. a NQP plugin that told you something wasn't implemented in NQP would be helpful though. There are times I've done "standard perl 6 stuff" in my NQP actions file that didn't work because it wasn't implemented in NQP |
| 20:47 |
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Sewi |
szabgab: What would be the next step to continue with pop con? |
| 20:48 |
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szabgab |
PerlJam, that could be part of the Perl 6 plugin maybe |
| 20:48 |
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PerlJam |
yes, it probably should NQP will always be a subset of Perl 6 |
| 20:49 |
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szabgab |
Sewi, write down what we discussed |
| 20:49 |
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szabgab |
implement categories, with the most basic one including the current data |
| 20:50 |
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Sewi |
szabgab: will do. To wiki or mailing list? |
| 20:50 |
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szabgab |
- popup the first time Padre wants to send data ? |
| 20:50 |
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szabgab |
mailing list for discussion |
| 20:50 |
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Sewi |
ok |
| 20:52 |
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Sewi |
I copied our discussion and will write the summary for the list tomorrow. |
| 20:55 |
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Sewi |
good night everyone |
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szabgab |
good night |
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* Sewi |
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kthakore |
hi |
| 22:26 |
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kthakore |
I think I made Padre crash ... is there a logging feature or something I can print out? |
| 22:33 |
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garu |
kthakore, if you have the svn version, you can try running ./dev.pl --die or ./dev.pl -d to run it in the command line debugger |
| 22:34 |
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kthakore |
ok |
| 22:34 |
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kthakore |
thanks |
| 22:34 |
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garu |
kthakore, but my advice would be to add some print statements to the source code |
| 22:34 |
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garu |
or ask here |
| 22:34 |
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kthakore |
awww ... |
| 22:34 |
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kthakore |
ok |
| 22:34 |
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garu |
maybe try to reproduce it |
| 22:34 |
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garu |
so we can too :) |
| 22:43 |
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kthakore |
I did |
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kthakore |
you have to install vi plugin with git plugin in v0.47 |
| 22:44 |
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kthakore |
in windows |
| 22:44 |
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kthakore |
and enable git before vi |
| 22:44 |
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kthakore |
crash! |
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