Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2009-10-07

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01:08 Alias code4pay3. the .padre dir in my home dir was owned by root after the cpan install stopping padre from starting
01:08 Alias I've been working on a solution to this for ORLite
01:09 Alias I can probably bring part of that solution across to Padre if neede
01:09 Alias BTW, thanks for the move to haivng a Refactor menu
01:09 Alias Hopefully we can generate it more dynamically
01:09 Alias It's better than my misguided "Perl" menu
01:10 * Alias wonders if it would be better to make the Popularity Contest functionality core
01:11 Alias I really wanted it as a plugin so we could push the limits of what plugins can do
01:14 Alias Sewi: Do you have a working server application yet?
01:15 Alias Long term I think we might be forced to core PopCon
01:15 Alias Mostly so that we can const-out the code
01:15 Alias if ( Padre::PopularityContest::ENABLED ) { ... }
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02:30 tsp how do I fold in padre? it seems to support it but nothing shows up in the menus about how to do it
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03:04 user_3710 hi guys, how do i register a new account on padre's trac site?
03:05 user_3710 email = davidgaramond@gmail.com, i'd like to submit a wishlist ticket
03:05 user_3710 oh btw, in http://perlide.org/irclogs/%23padre/ the log files' permissions probably incorrect since 2009-09-23. got 403 for files since that date.
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05:16 Alias user_3710: Hi there
05:17 Alias Unfortunately, right now you need to wait for one of the admins to unlock registrations, because we've been getting too much spam
05:24 Alias tsp: View -> Show Code Folding
05:29 Alias wow
05:29 Alias padre.perlide.org go bye bye
05:30 Alias Which is odd, because perlide.org is still there
05:44 Alias oh hey, and it's back
05:44 Alias Weird, I wonder if it does that while regenerating the site of something
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07:12 Sewi Good morning
07:16 Alias Hi
07:17 Alias AliasSewi: Do you have a working server application yet for popcon?
07:17 Alias er
07:17 Alias s/Alias//
07:25 Sewi Not now, I used http://www.mops.net/tools/printenv for testing - it just replies the whole environment and input data.
07:26 El_Che lo
07:28 Sewi Alias: The latest idea was to store the whole data block with time and instance ID into a DB overwriting any previous record for this instance ID (duplicate data) to keep the server script as fast as possible.
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07:35 Hyppolit svn: r8656 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8656
07:35 Hyppolit Workaround for problems because of missing Padre->ide during test
07:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/t/
07:36 Hyppolit svn: r8657 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8657
07:36 Hyppolit Updated Changes
07:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:50 Hyppolit svn: r8658 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8658
07:50 Hyppolit Updates $document->filename to $document->{file}->filename
07:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:59 Hyppolit svn: r8659 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8659
07:59 Hyppolit Added runable-flag to Padre::File
07:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
07:59 Hyppolit svn: r8660 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8660
07:59 Hyppolit Added runable flag to protocols currently implemented
07:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
07:59 Hyppolit svn: r8661 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8661
07:59 Hyppolit Updated Changes
07:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:16 user_3710 Alias: ok then, no prob. i'll just ask around here :)
08:17 user_3710 pardon me for not having tried out padre again (did that once somewhere in 0.3x but last time had difficulties building 0.46 on my ubuntu 9.04 64b)... but does ubuntu have a toggle view/hide pod feature?
08:18 user_3710 s/ubuntu/padre/
08:19 user_3710 sometime i feel the pod documentation distract me too much when coding since they are multilines and interspersed with code
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08:28 szabgab user_3710, there is no hide/show pod feature but that sound like an interesting and useful idea
08:28 szabgab but I have to go now
08:42 Sewi user_3710: Do you have a trac account?
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10:05 code4pay Want to log a couple of bugs in trac, who should I request an account from?
10:06 Sewi code4pay: Hi.  Sorry, no one of the trac-masters seems to be online atm.
10:07 Sewi You could ask again later or I could file the bug reports for you, if you want.
10:10 code4pay ok, 1st one, if you open the document browser and  click the X in the window corner rather than the "close" button it results in  a segfault
10:10 code4pay this is in windows and ubuntu
10:11 Sewi "x" to close the application?
10:12 code4pay to close the document browser
10:12 Sewi Which version are you running?
10:12 code4pay .47
10:14 Sewi code4pay: Do you want to /msg me your e-mail - adress? I could add it to the ticket and you'll kept updated.
10:15 code4pay ok let me work out how to do that,  newb with irc
10:16 Sewi Just type /msg Sewi your@email.addr
10:18 Sewi ok, got it
10:18 Sewi First ticket created
10:18 Hyppolit #661: segfault when closing the document browser using x (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/661 ]
10:18 code4pay great.  #2 and maybe we can work out if its a bug or not first
10:18 Hyppolit #2: Improve search (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/2#comment:3 ]
10:19 Sewi I won't open a ticket if it's a feature or already solved in trunk :-)
10:19 code4pay If I have some modules in my project dir that I refernece using findbin qw($Bin); use lib $Bin;
10:20 code4pay the sytnax checker throws an error as it seems to run the check by running the file in /tmp there for not finding the modules
10:21 Sewi Yes, this is known and there is already a ticket for this.
10:21 code4pay ok
10:21 code4pay great thanks
10:21 Sewi The syntax checker currently ignores all preference-parameters, -I's and use lib's.
10:21 Sewi you're welcome.
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10:33 waxhead any have any strong objection to the Refactor Menu being added to Padre?
10:33 Sewi I'ld prefer having it below the "Perl" menu, but this is my personal opinion...
10:34 waxhead If not, I'll remove the comment out code in the Perl Menu to clean things up
10:34 waxhead Sewi, the reason I don't like it in any other menu is because I can't find it...
10:34 waxhead I was looking at that example and Ecplise has  a refactor menu
10:34 waxhead which makes sense..
10:34 waxhead I don't have to think about where to find it...
10:35 Sewi waxhead: This is true for most of Padre's features :-) This is why I wrote #621
10:35 Hyppolit #621: Did you know? Startup - notes (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/621 ]
10:35 waxhead Of course if the Perl menu changes to become "Javascript" or "Python" when it knows about these languages, then I'll move Refactor to become a submenu...
10:35 waxhead but that has too many knobs to get to the point of the task, which is to refactor.
10:36 waxhead I really hate the need to work through the plugin menu to get to things....
10:36 waxhead which is another reason multiple toolbars and a toolbar API should allow plugins to add to the IDE...
10:36 waxhead don't make the things I want to do difficult to get to...
10:37 waxhead sub menus are a pain...
10:37 Sewi We also have "quick access"
10:37 waxhead sure.. but that's a bit "so"..  why can't I have icons in a toolbar that I can see?
10:38 waxhead it is neat though.. I don't want to sound like a prat.. it's good work.. but still.. it's a hoop to jump through
10:38 Sewi I think we shouldn't work on the new menu/toolbar/shortcut system when 0.48 is out.
10:38 waxhead should or shouldn't?
10:38 Sewi should
10:39 Sewi sorry :-)
10:39 waxhead maybe...
10:39 waxhead I took a look at the toolbar API idea.. got totally lost in the code and the API idea.. and Wx of course
10:39 waxhead the only thing I know so far is that it will have to use AUI
10:39 waxhead and the toolbar I think becomes a panel to add to and remove from
10:40 Sewi Don't think of "the" toolbar, the user should be able to add/remove them based on personal preference. On a widescreen, I may want to have one toolbar left and one right.
10:41 user_3710 Sewi: don't have a trac account, if you could file the hide pod feature that'd be nice, thx!
10:41 waxhead I keep meaning to create a 'simple' thing here, but staritng a Wx app is painful going back to find info on how to get started etc...
10:41 Sewi user_3710: Do you want to /msg me your e-Mail address to keep you updated on the ticket?
10:42 Sewi waxhead: Maybe we should open a ticket on "useable and complete Wx documentation" :-) But this is an external dependency...
10:42 waxhead Sewi, sure, and you plugins should be able to offer a config setting that says 'create toolbar?'  and I'll never have to navigate through the plugin menu again
10:42 waxhead Sewi, have you seen the python documentation?  I use that a bit to get my head around somethings....
10:42 waxhead Sewi, it's a big task to do that sort of thing
10:42 user_3710 Sewi: did u receive it? this is my first time using mibbit, dont know if /msg worked or not, anyway the email is davidgaramond - gmail
10:43 Sewi user_3710: yes
10:43 Sewi waxhead: Do you have trac admin?
10:43 waxhead Sewi, not trac admin
10:43 waxhead just a trac account
10:44 Sewi waxhead: same for me
10:44 waxhead Sewi, have you checked out the Refactor menu change?
10:45 Hyppolit #662: Toogle view of POD documentation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/662 ]
10:45 Sewi waxhead: I saw it but didn't use it until now. Still got a update to the "extract as subroutine" pending but didn't find time to do it :-)
10:46 Sewi user_3710: #662 is yours
10:46 Hyppolit #662: Toogle view of POD documentation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/662 ]
10:46 sawyer_ should probably be "toggle" and not "toogle"
10:47 waxhead did you fix the issue raised in trac about the placement of the subroutine?
10:47 Sewi oops, sorry.
10:47 Hyppolit #662: Toggle view of POD documentation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/662#comment:1 ]
10:47 Sewi waxhead: This is the thing I want to work on...
10:47 user_3710 Sewi: thx
10:48 Sewi user_3710: You're welcome!
10:48 waxhead Sewi, funny.. I picked that as one to take a look at to get a feel for the internals....
10:48 Sewi waxhead: Go ahead, I still have enough things to do :-)
10:49 Sewi waxhead: I wanted to show up a list of current subs plus a "(end of file)" line in the same place where the new subroutine name is requested and let the user pick the "insert the new sub before" place.
10:50 waxhead Sewi, jeez!!! serious?  I was only going to shoot for "above" the current sub to start with
10:50 Sewi waxhead: End-of-file should properbly mean "before _END_ or 1;-if-only-pod-documentation-and-comments-follow"
10:51 Sewi waxhead: Both should be easy, $document->get_text =~ /(sub \w+)/ should be able to get a list of subs and another regexp should be enough for pasting the new sub.
10:52 user_3710 Sewi: regarding #662, can u maybe add a comment/note about generic toggle view of whole-line comments feature?
10:52 Hyppolit #662: Toggle view of POD documentation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/662#comment:1 ]
10:52 Sewi user_3710: done
10:52 Hyppolit #662: Toggle view of POD documentation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/662#comment:2 ]
10:52 user_3710 neat
10:53 Sewi ping Getty
10:54 Sewi waxhead: I'ld be very happy if you'ld do the change (using one of our ideas), because actually I don't use this function because I'm too lazy to move the new sub to another place :-)
10:54 Sewi waxhead: Maybe we're too complicated anyway and just placing the new sub into the clipboard would be nice.
10:54 waxhead Sewi, sure.. starting with putting the new sub either before or after the current sub is a start...
10:55 waxhead Sewi, GUI magic stuff is harder to do, mostly because laying out the GUI sucks so much..
10:55 Sewi waxhead: Every better placing than "append" would be a really big improvement.
10:56 waxhead sure.. the code that's there isn't overly complex... now it's really a matter of working out how to locate the current subroutine.. and I think that's PPI maybe...
10:56 Sewi waxhead: Get a existing dialog (like openurl) and change it on your requirements :-) Alias wrote a good howto on this topic: http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/39642
10:57 Sewi waxhead: No problem - just get the line from the current cursor position. You need to select a block, so the cursor must be placed in the current sub. Search backwards from this position until you find a "sub"
10:57 waxhead is that the wxGlade one?
10:57 waxhead blog post that is...
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11:32 waxhead right time for bed.. old and tired.. starting to see how this stuff hangs together! yike..
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13:24 Sewi ping Alias
13:33 Hyppolit svn: r8662 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8662
13:33 Hyppolit Perl tidy
13:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:34 Hyppolit svn: r8663 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8663
13:34 Hyppolit Dont crash on Ctrl-J if no document is open
13:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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13:38 PerlJam howdy moritz :)
13:38 moritz oh hai :-)
13:39 PerlJam Trolling for Perl Mongers group names to use for the Rakudo release.  Anyone have any suggestions?
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13:40 moritz (preferable those whose memebers contributed to Perl 6 integration in padre)
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14:10 Getty Sewi: jo?
14:10 Sewi Getty: Hi.
14:11 Sewi Getty: Would Hyppolit be able to do a timed job? Someone says !do in the channel, he replies and - let's say - does something else 5 minutes later?
14:11 Getty no problem with POE
14:12 Getty even tho we still didnt switched to the new release, i dont want to stress szabgab for the testing
14:12 GabrielVieira szabgab: hi \o/
14:12 szabgab next week  I'll be back home and I'll deal with that then
14:13 Sewi Getty: I was thinking if he could open the trac registration (using a Hyppolit trac account) on request and close it after some time (if szabgab also wants this)
14:13 Sewi Hi szabgab
14:14 Getty szabgab: whenever it fits you :) i got no hurry
14:14 szabgab for now I am forced to go to all kinds of slides from the 4th floor
14:14 PerlJam szabgab: Any ideas for a PM group name to be used for the next Rakudo release?
14:14 GabrielVieira szabgab: could you send me your Padre slides... garu and I are going to have a talk about Padre in YAPC::Brasil 2009 in Rio (yeah.. the same of the Olympics), which all of you are invited :D
14:14 Getty Sewi: if szabgab gives me the information for "activating" then i can do it
14:15 szabgab Getty, what information ?
14:15 Getty szabgab: see Sewi request, activating registration via Bot for a specific time
14:16 Sewi szabgab: We had two people here who wanted to submit tickets but noone was here for opening trac reg :-(
14:16 Sewi szabgab: So I was thinking about giving an account to Hyppolit and let him open the registration if a (known) user asks him to and close it few minutes later.
14:17 El_Che I think we are missing a lotof tockets through the "pass through irc" thing
14:17 El_Che tickets
14:17 szabgab we can include in the instructions to send an e-mail to me with  preferred username and I can add the persion
14:17 szabgab who can then change the passwords
14:17 Getty there must be another solution
14:17 Getty can someone tell me the most exactly reason for the closed registration? only bots?
14:18 szabgab so someone should write a perl cgi script that insjects a user into the trac database
14:18 szabgab given username, fname, lname, email
14:18 Getty no problem on that
14:18 szabgab with a random password
14:18 Sewi El_Che: But in many cases it's better to talk shortly about an issue to get fewer dups
14:18 Getty szabgab: and send it to his email?
14:18 szabgab and it can also trigger an automatic send of new password to the user
14:18 Getty szabgab: yep
14:18 Getty no problem
14:19 El_Che Sewi: indeed, but many people won't bother. Specially the msn generating with no irc experience
14:19 szabgab actually there is no need for the automatic send a new password
14:19 Sewi El_Che: You're right :-(
14:19 szabgab what Getty siad,, we can also send the pw to the user
14:20 szabgab but frankly I am not sure that this is needed (what Sewi said)
14:20 Getty i will check on the theme, just tell me szabgab: how you "exactly" store them? u use the trac internal user concept? i didnt even knew there is one lol ;)
14:20 Sewi szabgab: For this solution, the user must sign up, wait for approval and then forgot what he wanted to write in the ticket :-)
14:20 szabgab Getty, I need to check it
14:21 * szabgab checking
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14:26 Getty today i learned
14:26 Getty its not very intelligent on a distributed concept to send all error messages to the central server
14:27 Getty 7896462362  7. Okt 16:11 82.211.8.200.log
14:27 Getty no its definitly not 8-)
14:28 Sewi :-)
14:29 Hyppolit svn: r8664 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8664
14:29 Hyppolit Added "lazy" syntax check to speed up Padre
14:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:31 szabgab Getty, there is a htdigest file with username:password
14:31 Getty szabgab: ok roger, easy going
14:31 szabgab in addition to the regular trac database
14:31 Getty yeah, and then bound via http auth
14:32 Getty "classic"
14:32 Sewi I might be wrong, but I don't remember a HTTP auth for trac...
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14:34 szabgab Getty, no , there is an html auth
14:34 szabgab I am looking at the trac db and cannot find the user information
14:35 Getty szabgab: you cant
14:35 szabgab why ?
14:35 Getty szabgab: they never save them there beside the additional infos, its all done over the auth
14:35 Getty trac made it look shiny with their concept so that you dont actually see a HTTP Auth
14:35 Getty if you "block access to trac" for the user, then you would get always the http auth
14:35 szabgab nope
14:36 szabgab you have to decide which one you use
14:36 szabgab and I decided the html page based
14:36 szabgab auth
14:36 szabgab or so I understand what I did :-)
14:36 Getty but thats the standard :)
14:36 szabgab but it saves my e-mail somewhere
14:37 Getty and internal it uses the http auth concept to transfer it
14:37 Getty yeah
14:37 Getty thats in the trac additional
14:37 szabgab no, sorry it is tha plugin I guess
14:37 Getty in worst case, gimme the trac.db file, i can check myself for specific stuff
14:37 Getty as it dont handles pws its not a risk
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14:38 Hyppolit svn: r8665 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8665
14:38 Hyppolit Use Time::HiRes if it is installed for lazy syntax check
14:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:40 szabgab Getty, it is in the session_attribute table
14:40 szabgab sid is the username
14:40 Getty ok
14:41 szabgab name can be email or name
14:42 szabgab value holds the actual value
14:55 szabgab phillipadsmith, nice blog
14:56 szabgab could you build the same but with prefix to /opt/padre  and then zip it up and upload somewhere ?
14:56 szabgab that would make it sooo easy for the Mac users to start with Padre then
14:57 szabgab http://blog.newint.org/tech/2009/​10/06/padre-the-perl-ide-on-osx/
14:58 Getty yes yes mac installer mac installer
14:58 Getty that would be cool
14:59 Hyppolit svn: r8666 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8666
14:59 Hyppolit link to blog of phillipadsmith
14:59 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
14:59 szabgab icecream &
15:02 Getty :-D
15:02 moritz szabgab: are you member of a perlmongers group?
15:03 szabgab moritz,  Israel.pm Jerusalem.pm
15:03 szabgab but as I said
15:03 szabgab icecream &
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15:05 Getty then you lied already about the icecream!!! everybody lies about the icecream!!! THERE IS NO ICECREAM! :)
15:06 moritz not anymore :-)
15:08 Getty yeah
15:08 Getty HE has all the icecream
15:08 Getty i knew it
15:09 moritz s/has/had/ # again :-)
15:09 moritz HE CAN HAZ ICECREAM BUT I EATED IT!
15:09 Getty i'm no native :-P
15:09 Getty LOL!
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15:09 Getty isnt it IZECREAM in CHEEZBURGISH ?
15:09 Getty ;)
15:10 * moritz is just a native iZecream eater :)
15:10 Getty lol
15:10 Getty ah also the germanz
15:10 Getty padre is a magnet for german dudes
15:12 Sewi Getty: Actually we still have more AU people around here :-)
15:13 Getty Sewi: where??? they all hide! dont lie to me
15:13 Getty ;)
15:14 Getty like szabgab did about the icecream :'-(
15:15 Sewi Getty: They're sleeping
15:17 Getty ha, see, only lies
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15:27 Hyppolit svn: r8667 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8667
15:27 Hyppolit Updated Changes
15:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
15:27 Hyppolit svn: r8668 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8668
15:27 Hyppolit Perl tidy
15:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
15:32 Hyppolit svn: r8669 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8669
15:32 Hyppolit Updated test #92
15:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
15:33 Getty Sewi is a update whore ;)
15:34 Sewi Getty: Not my fault that you didn't write a test today :-)
15:34 Getty where do you know about the test i have to write for perigrin?
15:34 Getty :-P
15:35 Sewi Your mom told me :-)
15:35 Sewi But please remember that test you have to write for Padre...
15:35 Getty my mom... oh man, i'm happy if she understands that red bull cans are not garbage
15:36 Getty Sewi: shit, i forgot that, what test? i worked on a distributed project the last days
15:36 Sewi Don't know, just trying to force you writing a test for Padre :-)
15:37 Getty hey i'm very bad at writing tests :) actually i must learn it at all
15:37 Getty i just need to make a small "dude that MUST work"-test case for perigrin, cause his modules make a blocker for my project
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16:08 Hyppolit svn: r8670 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8670
16:08 Hyppolit Add a sample test for Hyppolit
16:08 Hyppolit trunk/Hyppolit/t/
16:11 Hyppolit svn: r8671 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8671
16:11 Hyppolit Add a beginner error check for close;
16:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
16:11 Hyppolit svn: r8672 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8672
16:11 Hyppolit Test the new beginner error
16:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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17:33 Floyd-ATC Evening
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17:34 Floyd-ATC F2 works nicely. Whatever perlish I put my cursor on, I click F2 and up comes the good old perldoc.
17:35 Floyd-ATC F1 on the other hand... hm
17:36 Floyd-ATC Is this thing hard-coded to show the message "Searched for $inputstring and failed" or am I missing something?
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17:51 Sewi Floyd-ATC: Fix it :-)
18:07 Floyd-ATC Is this a known problem then?
18:16 Sewi Where exactly do you get this message?
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18:20 Floyd-ATC A help window pops up with an editbox labeled "Search" and a button "Close", whatever I search for I get a popup message titled "Help not found", the error message and an "OK" button
18:22 Floyd-ATC I'm suppose to be able to search for stuff like "CGI" and "DBI" here, yes? (if installed, ofcourse)
18:22 Floyd-ATC supposed*
18:23 Sewi F1?
18:24 Floyd-ATC yes?
18:24 Sewi Ah, I see.
18:24 Sewi Gnome sometimes hijacks F1 :-(
18:24 Sewi CGI, DBI, etc. is the Perl help (F2)
18:24 Floyd-ATC No gnomes here, this is WinXP
18:24 Sewi hmm, F1 also finds DBI here.
18:25 Floyd-ATC and the window is definitely part of Padre, got the icon and everything
18:25 Sewi Okay: F1 _used to be_ the Padre-help, F2 the Perl-help
18:25 Floyd-ATC aha ok
18:25 Sewi Yes, Gnomes hijacking was why I wondered before :-)
18:25 Sewi The "help" window didn't look like Padre, had no close button and the text was not Padre-specific :-)
18:27 Floyd-ATC hm! The post I read must have been completely off then, it said F1 was like 'perldoc' and F2 was like 'perldoc -f'
18:27 Floyd-ATC and I was like whaaat... ? F1 does nothing useful here
18:27 Sewi Floyd-ATC: I said: "It used to be", because this was the last state I know, maybe it changed.
18:28 Sewi sorry afk
18:28 * Sewi &
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20:14 Hyppolit svn: r8673 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8673
20:14 Hyppolit Config option for autocomplete method
20:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
20:15 Hyppolit svn: r8674 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8674
20:15 Hyppolit Updated test for new config count
20:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
20:15 Hyppolit svn: r8675 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8675
20:15 Hyppolit Added new autocomplete method function
20:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
20:18 Hyppolit svn: r8676 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8676
20:18 Hyppolit Add Preferences option for autocomplete method
20:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
20:19 Hyppolit svn: r8677 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8677
20:19 Hyppolit Remove DB::single
20:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/
20:19 Hyppolit svn: r8678 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8678
20:19 Hyppolit Updated Changes
20:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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20:30 Hyppolit svn: r8679 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8679
20:30 Hyppolit Beautify code and add some comments
20:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
20:34 Hyppolit svn: r8680 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8680
20:34 Hyppolit Update POD to match last source update
20:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/
20:56 Hyppolit svn: r8681 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8681
20:56 Hyppolit Perl tidy
20:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/t/
21:02 Sewi Come on guys, only 6 tickets need to be fixed before Ryan does the next release to break the "Changes" record :-)
21:09 Hyppolit #507: Enable PAdre to track logs (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/507#comment:1 ]
21:13 Hyppolit #470: Scalable "Find in files..." dialog (closed task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/470#comment:1 ]
21:21 Hyppolit #464: can't paste much text (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/464#comment:1 ]
21:24 Hyppolit #442: Save file types and tab positions with session (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/442#comment:3 ]
21:25 Hyppolit #432: When switching sessions padre is stuck for a while (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/432#comment:1 ]
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21:30 Hyppolit #413: remove beginner mode (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/413#comment:3 ]
21:33 Hyppolit #413: remove beginner mode (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/413#comment:4 ]
21:33 Hyppolit #411: configurable key bindings (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/411#comment:2 ]
21:34 Hyppolit #346: possibility to change shortcuts (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/346#comment:1 ]
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23:01 dolmen seen Ryan52
23:02 dolmen Ryan52: could you give me an account to open tickets?
23:02 dolmen I have completely rewritten the Win32 launcher and would like to submit it...
23:03 dolmen Ryan52: login : dolmen ; email : dolmen à cpan.org
23:07 dolmen garu
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23:15 mattp hey guys
23:16 mattp ive got a year long design project for my 4th year undergrad thesis sort of thing (software engineering)
23:16 mattp is there a padre gsoc project list floating around
23:16 dolmen we are in the autumn...
23:16 mattp although im obviously not gsoc.. same scope. I'd like to work on padre if i can find the right idea
23:17 mattp dolmen: well padre was rejected for gsoc if i remember correctly. so im hoping atleast some of the ideas are still unimplemented :)
23:18 dolmen I'm not (yet?) a Padre dev and the channel seems to not be much active right now
23:18 Ryan52 dolmen: one minute.
23:18 dolmen You should probably ask on the mailing list
23:21 Ryan52 dolmen: check your email.
23:22 dolmen got it
23:33 Hyppolit #663: Rewritten Win32 launcher (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/663 ]
23:34 Alias mattp: You're looking for a significant body of work ?
23:35 Alias mattp: Any particular area?
23:35 Alias There's a couple of places in Padre where we do quite unusual things that might be undergrad thesis worthy but nobody has really given them enough attention
23:36 Alias As in, version 1.0 has been done, but it's really hacky and not realising it's potential
23:36 Alias Off the top of my head, I'd suggest the configuration subsystem
23:36 * dolmen is going to sleep...
23:37 Alias The Project Intuition stuff has a lot of potential for magic
23:37 Alias And of course, there's plugins for all sorts of things
23:37 mattp Alias: ya, im looking for something that i can apply my own software eng design thoughts to (with the discretion of an advisor from here ofcourse)
23:37 * dolmen submitted #663. Patch review welcome
23:38 Alias mattp: What areas are you interested in?
23:38 Alias In general
23:40 mattp i cant really pinpoint anything padre specific. im interested in perl :)
23:41 mattp ideally what id like is something that i can go through the entire software life cycle with as well actually implement (just because i need to do these things for my course)
23:42 mattp requirements eng, design, draw up some uml diagrams, write a design doc. Any topic padre specific i can shoehorn that into id love to work on
23:42 Alias OK
23:42 * Alias ponders areas we haven't really even gotten to requirements collection properly
23:43 Alias I wonder if Sewi has started on the metrics web stuff yet
23:43 Alias Do you know about the Popularity Contest plugin?
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23:48 mattp Alias: ive read some about it on planetironman
23:51 Alias I don't think we have a server for it yet
23:51 Alias Which might make for an interesting project
23:51 Alias Collection, storage and analysis of bulk metrics data from Padre
23:52 Alias Or at least, it's something I'm not sure we've really specced much
23:53 Alias We also haven't specced the config server
23:53 Alias The Padre::Config subsystem is designed to allow your personal preferences to be synchronised across multiple Padre installs via some server location
23:53 Alias But we've never implemented a server for it
23:54 Alias Now, these are both server projects, and most of the client coding would involve relatively minor things
23:54 Alias But it's certainly an area in which you could do an entire requirements -> deployment cycle
23:56 mattp that sounds pretty cool
23:56 mattp is it an actual padre endorsed server? or something the enduser would have to set up
23:59 Alias The metrics will only be an endorsed server
23:59 Alias The configuration server I'd kind of like to be optional

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