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Padre-0.48/blib/script/padre.exe.bat |
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nobody |
install_script expects scripts, runs through pl2bat, installs into blib/script, padre.exe needs to go into blib/bin |
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for makemaker the argument is called EXE_FILES |
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"nobody" at 99.29.240.79 pasted "tweak for Makefile.PL" (6 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/35102 |
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good morning |
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greetings |
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Sewi: /win2 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: around? |
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kthakore |
szabgab: I managaged to make Padre die on memory |
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kthakore |
szabgab: its a combo of having 3 10000 line files open and writing continous output the Wx Terminal |
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kthakore |
szabgab: and its real slow |
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kthakore |
szabgab: are there any good function only modules with low deps on anything else and are pretty stable now |
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kthakore |
that might be good candidates for XS? |
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Sewi |
hi |
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Sewi |
kthakore: I'll look at your patch later, need to do some work atm |
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kthakore |
Sewi: hi |
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kthakore |
Sewi: np |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8833 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8833 |
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Hyppolit |
Run make and TDD tests (kthakore++) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8834 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8834 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated Changes |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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Sewi |
kthakore: You patch is working and online. |
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kthakore |
yay! |
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kthakore |
TDD for the win |
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kthakore |
Sewi: is there a way to run perl Build.PL or perl Makefile.PL from the run menu? |
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Sewi |
Not currently but I'm unsure if this is useful without a "run project" |
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& |
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Sewi |
no1 here? |
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* garu |
waves |
| 17:00 |
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Sewi |
Hi garu :-) |
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garu |
hi Sewi :) |
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* Sewi |
needs to commit something to make at least Hyppolit say something :-) |
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kthakore |
hi garu |
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kthakore |
hi Sewi |
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kthakore |
Sewi: I managaged to make Padre die on memory. its a combo of having 3 10000 line files open and writing continous output the Wx Terminal |
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kthakore |
Sewi: are there any good function only modules with low deps on anything else and are pretty stable now |
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kthakore |
Sewi: that might be good candidates for XS? |
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Sewi |
Most things are using XS alreday |
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Sewi |
already |
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kthakore |
then why the mem death |
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kthakore |
what if we had like a cap on Wx Terminal output? |
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Sewi |
Look at ulimit -a and ps u for the process |
| 17:14 |
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kthakore |
say a 10 linue? |
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kthakore |
oops |
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Sewi |
10 is a bit few |
| 17:14 |
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kthakore |
10 000 lines on the output |
| 17:14 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: :P |
| 17:14 |
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kthakore |
or maybe 1000 ? |
| 17:14 |
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Sewi |
better |
| 17:15 |
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kthakore |
how I do that for my Padre I have now? |
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kthakore |
I will submit patch later but I sort of need this for now. (or rather my Co-worker does) |
| 17:16 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: also thank you soooooo much for accepting my patch |
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Sewi |
kthakore: You're welcome. |
| 17:16 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: that finally made me to switch from notepad++ to Padre |
| 17:17 |
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kthakore |
the build thing |
| 17:17 |
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kthakore |
on Windows |
| 17:17 |
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Sewi |
Before we continue with this, may anybody of you try out #701 (if you're using Win != 7) and comment on it, please? |
| 17:17 |
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Hyppolit |
#701: Printing on Win(7) doesn't work (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/701 ] |
| 17:17 |
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kthakore |
still using Vim at home |
| 17:17 |
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kthakore |
:) |
| 17:18 |
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Sewi |
kthakore: I'ld prefer a dynamic limit which is calculated based on the ram which padre could use, but this is hard to do |
| 17:18 |
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Sewi |
Or - better - use a disk cache for too big outputs. |
| 17:18 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: well padre can tell ram right? |
| 17:18 |
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* Sewi |
trying to kill Padre using Wx Output window. |
| 17:18 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: ooh disk cache is unix style |
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kthakore |
Sewi: you need files open too |
| 17:19 |
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kthakore |
here let me give you what I was running |
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Sewi |
for (1..1000000) { print... |
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Sewi |
142MB mem for 400k lines output atm |
| 17:21 |
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Sewi |
Sorry, 40k |
| 17:22 |
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kthakore |
yup that was my limit too |
| 17:22 |
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kthakore |
I have RAM: |
| 17:22 |
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kthakore |
81.7MB |
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kthakore |
eww :( |
| 17:22 |
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Sewi |
152 for 70k |
| 17:22 |
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kthakore |
work comp sucks |
| 17:23 |
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kthakore |
I got to ~25K |
| 17:23 |
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Sewi |
You're on win, right? |
| 17:23 |
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kthakore |
a disk cache should be good for this |
| 17:23 |
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kthakore |
Win |
| 17:23 |
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kthakore |
yes |
| 17:23 |
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Sewi |
Ubuntu here |
| 17:23 |
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kthakore |
oh |
| 17:23 |
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kthakore |
so its cross platform eh ? |
| 17:23 |
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kthakore |
how does info in about know Ram ? |
| 17:24 |
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kthakore |
can we just use this ration 10,000 lines / 80 MBs of ram |
| 17:24 |
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kthakore |
s/ration/ratio |
| 17:24 |
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kthakore |
everything else is cached? |
| 17:25 |
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Sewi |
I'ld say 64k lines (to have a computer, not human limit :-) ) and everything else is either written to a temp file or deleted |
| 17:26 |
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Sewi |
185MB on 170k lines |
| 17:27 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: so 1MB per Line ? |
| 17:27 |
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kthakore |
wth is your data structure for WxOutput if you don't mind me asking |
| 17:27 |
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kthakore |
that kind of sucks |
| 17:28 |
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Sewi |
no, Padre without Plugins = ~66MB with one empty document (Ctrl-N) ~102MB |
| 17:28 |
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kthakore |
wow! |
| 17:28 |
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kthakore |
thats insane for a text editor |
| 17:28 |
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Sewi |
~203 MB for 230k lines |
| 17:29 |
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Sewi |
kthakore: Padre is no text editor, it's an IDE! :-) |
| 17:29 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: ohhhhh sorry ... still thats insane for any program |
| 17:29 |
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kthakore |
idle p 102 mb |
| 17:29 |
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kthakore |
wtf |
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Sewi |
lol? MS software usually eats this amount for splash :-) |
| 17:30 |
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kthakore |
I know |
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kthakore |
but my Vim uses 4 MB maybe at Idle |
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kthakore |
:{ |
| 17:31 |
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Sewi |
But (even if I don't like this point of view) RAM is plenty on modern computers. 1 GB is "few" nowadays |
| 17:31 |
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kthakore |
I know |
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Sewi |
226MB for 300k lines |
| 17:31 |
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kthakore |
sorry I am C prog so Mem is big deal to me sorry |
| 17:33 |
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Sewi |
kthakore: me too, I'm maintaining a project which runs a Cluster using Perl and we were hunting for ms there - something "modern JAVA developers" usually don't understand :-) |
| 17:35 |
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Sewi |
kthakore: Could you try out #701 on your Win, please, and add a comment? |
| 17:35 |
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Hyppolit |
#701: Printing on Win(7) doesn't work (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/701 ] |
| 17:35 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: ooh which project is this? |
| 17:35 |
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Sewi |
kthakore: A commercial one, nothing public |
| 17:35 |
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kthakore |
I want to do a CUDA rendering cluster with CUDA perl for my 4th year |
| 17:36 |
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kthakore |
[Disclaimer]CUDA perl doesn't exist yet btw |
| 17:38 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: truth is I want to do too many god damn things and I don't think I have enough lives to do this stuff |
| 17:39 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: ok I go make pong, let me know if you make that ticket or do any disk cache thingy |
| 17:42 |
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Sewi |
322 MB 600k lines |
| 17:43 |
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Sewi |
kthakore: Same for me, I got too many project ideas but these days here got only 24 hours which is not enough time :-) |
| 17:46 |
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kthakore |
:) I feel the pain brotha |
| 17:52 |
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Sewi |
406MB for 860k lines |
| 17:53 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: are you still counting that ? |
| 17:53 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: why? |
| 17:53 |
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kthakore |
Just to put something in here? |
| 17:53 |
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kthakore |
:P |
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Sewi |
445MB for 1M lines |
| 18:04 |
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* Sewi |
eating |
| 18:06 |
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szabgab |
there is an example of a very simple editor among the examples you could try the memory usage with that one to see if what is eating the memory is Scintilla |
| 18:07 |
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szabgab |
because that already uses Scintilla but is not threaded yet |
| 18:07 |
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szabgab |
and most of the features of padre are not in it |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
| 18:53 |
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Sewi |
Hi rindolf |
| 18:53 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: hi. What's up? |
| 18:54 |
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Sewi |
rindolf: Just saying hi to give some life to the channel :-) |
| 18:54 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: OK. |
| 18:54 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: self-referential. |
| 18:54 |
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rindolf |
I went biking today. |
| 18:54 |
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rindolf |
It was kinda hot, but riding was nice. |
| 18:54 |
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rindolf |
I'm now very calm. |
| 18:55 |
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Sewi |
Which country are you from? |
| 18:55 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: Israel, and I live in Tel Aviv. |
| 18:58 |
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Sewi |
rindolf: Good reason why it's hot where you are :-) |
| 18:59 |
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rindolf |
Well, we had a heat wave. |
| 18:59 |
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rindolf |
What we call a "Hamsin" |
| 19:00 |
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kthakore |
hi rindolf |
| 19:00 |
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rindolf |
After the 50 days between Passover and Shavu'oth. |
| 19:00 |
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rindolf |
Hi kthakore |
| 19:00 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: aren't you the perl-SDL guy? |
| 19:00 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: yes I am :) |
| 19:01 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: I got my co-workers to switch from Java to Perl using Padre's help |
| 19:01 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: so I am on here now |
| 19:01 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: ah, interesting. |
| 19:02 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: what were they using Java for that Perl is a useful alternative? |
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kthakore |
rindolf: batch jobs |
| 19:36 |
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kthakore |
Java is horrible for batch jobs |
| 19:36 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: ah. |
| 19:36 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: I see. |
| 19:36 |
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rindolf |
Heh, yeah. |
| 19:36 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: basically get data from DB dump to environment |
| 19:37 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: I got sick of writing 10 gazillion lines of Java_oop_craplacular_line_of_the_behemoth_who_will_rape_you_in_the_eyeballs_abstrat_factory |
| 19:37 |
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kthakore |
just to do this |
| 19:38 |
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kthakore |
while(<>){ print FH $_; } |
| 19:38 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: heh. |
| 19:38 |
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kthakore |
FUCK THAT |
| 19:38 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: yes. Java. "Money-oriented programming." |
| 19:38 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: the java vendor from sun got pissed at me |
| 19:38 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: thats when I knew I made the right choice |
| 19:38 |
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kthakore |
to fight for this |
| 19:39 |
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kthakore |
when I pissed someone off |
| 19:42 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: thats why I learned Perl, then I wanted to make game, and now here I am SDL PErl!! |
| 19:42 |
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cfedde |
and the rest is history. |
| 19:42 |
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kthakore |
cfedde: or the soon to be future |
| 19:44 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: cool. |
| 19:44 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: yup |
| 19:44 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: there used to be a lot of perl code on java.sun.com |
| 19:44 |
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rindolf |
On the web-service I mean. |
| 19:45 |
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kthakore |
really? did they phase it out for JSP or whatever crap they have now |
| 19:45 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: don't know. |
| 19:45 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: Java code always feels sluggish to me. |
| 19:45 |
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rindolf |
Mono seems to be much better in this regard. |
| 19:46 |
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kthakore |
rindolf I don't mind using Java or Mono or Whatever as long it was meant for the job |
| 19:46 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: yes. |
| 19:46 |
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rindolf |
I once tried to do some text processing in Mono. |
| 19:46 |
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kthakore |
Java is too verbose for a 10 second script I may or may not run after 2 weeks |
| 19:46 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: I shudder at that thought |
| 19:47 |
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rindolf |
I tried to replace a God-awful ad-hoc parser with something more reasonable. |
| 19:47 |
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rindolf |
And I gave up on ANTLR pretty quickly. |
| 19:47 |
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* kthakore |
*shudders* |
| 19:47 |
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rindolf |
Well ANTLR+generating Mono code. |
| 19:47 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: my co-worker just laughed at you :P |
| 19:47 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: it was for F-Spot which is written in Mono.NET. |
| 19:47 |
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rindolf |
And gtk# |
| 19:48 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: I use ANTLR+mono for magic the gathering game in my 3rd year project it was bad |
| 19:48 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: ah. |
| 19:48 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: s/use/used/ # May I correct your English? |
| 19:48 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: thanks |
| 19:49 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: My co-worker is still laughing at you for ANTLR, becuase he is so happy he doesn't have to do that now |
| 19:49 |
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kthakore |
s/becuase/because |
| 19:49 |
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rindolf |
Someone once gave me a .NET program he asked me to try running. So I unpacked it in an underprivileged user and tried to run it and got something like "Cannot access /home/cpan/download/programs/mydir\\hello\\there" |
| 19:50 |
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rindolf |
And naturally , the path with \\ does not exist. |
| 19:50 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: :-) |
| 19:50 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: I think ANTLR can also do Python and Ruby and has a Perl interface underworks. |
| 19:50 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: I gave up on creating a Perl backend for GNU bison. m4 madness. |
| 19:50 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: lol |
| 19:51 |
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rindolf |
m4-- |
| 19:51 |
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kthakore |
ANTLR + perl I might be interested |
| 19:51 |
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rindolf |
Of course, I've witnessed someone writing some Win32-only Perl code. |
| 19:51 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: but I am finding I can make up any ad hoc parser easy with Perl+JSON where JSON acts as the 'source' for any data |
| 19:52 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: how did that go? |
| 19:52 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: how did what go? |
| 19:52 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: ad-hoc parser for which format? |
| 19:53 |
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rindolf |
A custom format? |
| 19:53 |
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kthakore |
custom |
| 19:53 |
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rindolf |
I wrote a few ad-hoc parsers. |
| 19:53 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: most of the scripts we right are like 1-10 time use of the seat of our pants hacking |
| 19:53 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: I likes it :) |
| 19:54 |
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rindolf |
One to replace a really hideous one written in Parse::RecDEscent. |
| 19:54 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: s/right/write/ |
| 19:54 |
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kthakore |
no debugger to spoil you, extreme time limits, can't make mistakes so on |
| 19:54 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: thanks |
| 19:54 |
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kthakore |
s/likes/like |
| 19:54 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: s/I likes/I like/ |
| 19:54 |
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rindolf |
yes. |
| 19:54 |
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kthakore |
lol :P |
| 19:54 |
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kthakore |
s/yes./yes |
| 19:54 |
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kthakore |
fragment |
| 19:54 |
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rindolf |
I likes it is in LOL-speak. |
| 19:54 |
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kthakore |
I am lol speaking |
| 19:55 |
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rindolf |
I can haz cheezeburger. |
| 19:55 |
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kthakore |
no |
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kthakore |
you can haz bouncy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0wdkKB0lvg |
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rindolf |
kthakore: can's'z i? |
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kthakore |
wtf? |
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kthakore |
rindolf: join us on #sdl |
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kthakore |
its too quite there too |
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kthakore |
it is |
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