| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
|
nuba |
solved: it was a permission issue: i ran padre after installing with sudo, which resulted in: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2009-10-21 22:17 /home/nuba/.padre/ |
| 00:09 |
|
nuba |
how do I report a bug? |
| 00:10 |
|
Alias |
szabgab will unlock registration and let you sign up |
| 00:11 |
|
Alias |
nuba: That's mostly a known bug |
| 00:11 |
|
Alias |
nuba: We've been working to try and get rid of it, but haven't been completely successful |
| 00:11 |
|
nuba |
Alias: not that one above ^ ^ |
| 00:11 |
|
nuba |
im getting a segfault when closing the documentation window |
| 00:11 |
|
Alias |
oh |
| 00:12 |
|
Alias |
The problem with permissions is that the test suite is supposed to NOT create stuff in your real home directory |
| 00:12 |
|
Alias |
And one of the test scripts somewhere isn't playing nicely |
| 00:13 |
|
nuba |
i removed ~/.padre completely and im still getting this segfault |
| 00:14 |
|
nuba |
and a quick search hasn't turned up any existing ticket for that |
| 00:15 |
|
Alias |
segfaults should be unusual at this point |
| 00:15 |
|
Alias |
I'm not aware of any (or at least many) |
| 00:18 |
|
nuba |
this is it: http://pastebin.com/m5b156496 |
| 00:19 |
|
Alias |
ouchy |
| 00:24 |
|
nuba |
that teaches you not to be a smartass and cheat by reading the documentation! ;) |
| 00:34 |
|
Alias |
hrm |
| 00:35 |
|
Alias |
I helped you with the problem I read first :) |
| 00:35 |
|
Alias |
We aren't here all the time :) |
| 00:41 |
|
nuba |
oh, I dont meant you with that joke above |
| 00:41 |
|
nuba |
i mean this bug teaches you not to use the documentation |
| 00:41 |
|
nuba |
cause every time you do, padre segfaults |
| 00:42 |
|
nuba |
by "you" I mean the user |
| 00:42 |
|
Alias |
ah :) |
| 00:43 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
mmm, Devel::Leak::Object hates FileHandle (Failed to find super-method for class FileHandle)... so I've changed that die to a warn, and then added another hash so it only prints the warn once |
| 00:43 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
is this a really bad idea? |
| 00:45 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
doesn't like CGI either |
| 00:48 |
|
Alias |
Oh, Sven |
| 00:48 |
|
Alias |
I've been collecting feedback on our FOSWiki deployment |
| 00:48 |
|
Alias |
What should I do with it? |
| 00:48 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
too cool :) |
| 00:48 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
you can email, post on the wiki or just throw it at me :) |
| 00:48 |
|
Alias |
Where on the wiki (that might be easiest) |
| 00:49 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
depends if its problems / suggestions |
| 00:49 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
or if its marketing bonus's |
| 00:50 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
making a new topic in http://foswiki.org/Development/ is probly the fastest |
| 00:50 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
then we'll mine it for what we need to do |
| 00:56 |
|
Alias |
Just dump it to my personal page? |
| 00:57 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
thatll do too |
| 01:19 |
|
Alias |
http://foswiki.org/Main/AdamKennedy |
| 01:19 |
|
Alias |
Done |
| 01:21 |
|
Alias |
As usual, by far the most comments were on a single issue to do with look and feel |
| 01:21 |
|
Alias |
"Too much whitespace" |
| 01:22 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
grin - woo web2.0y |
| 01:22 |
|
Alias |
There's web 2.0'y, and then there's blatant overuse of real-estate |
| 01:22 |
|
Alias |
You've slipped past web 2.0 into the latter category |
| 01:22 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
you won't get any argument from me |
| 01:22 |
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| 01:23 |
|
Alias |
Anyways, if you want to point your theme people at my page, there's literally a dozen people that mentioned that here |
| 01:23 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
I certainly will |
| 01:23 |
|
Alias |
More than half of all people that commented |
| 01:23 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
can we move parts to the marketing page? |
| 01:24 |
|
Alias |
Do anything you wish with it |
| 01:24 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
and use a logo ? |
| 01:24 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
too sweet :) thanks |
| 01:24 |
|
Alias |
uh... dunno about that |
| 01:24 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
roger - if they want to, i'll get them to contact your people |
| 01:24 |
|
Alias |
yup |
| 01:24 |
|
Alias |
BTW, the critical threshold for whitespace |
| 01:25 |
|
Alias |
"Things that we'd tweaked to not wrap under Twiki now do wrap" |
| 01:25 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
ah - could they (privatly, if need be) send us the tweaks? |
| 01:25 |
|
Alias |
So if you are approximately as efficient with usable horizontal whitespace as Twiki, you'll be ok |
| 01:25 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
oh, ok, tweaked content, righto |
| 01:27 |
|
Alias |
yeah |
| 01:28 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
well, after a small play with Devel::Leak::Object, i guess my day is up and its back to looking after the kiddilies |
| 01:29 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
thankyou for the feedback - it should help focus our UI people's minds a little :) as its similar to what the developers prefer, but.. |
| 01:30 |
|
Alias |
Basically, we're not using a wiki because we want it to be pretty (although the cleanliness is nice) |
| 01:30 |
|
Alias |
We don't mind packing stuff in a bit more |
| 01:31 |
|
Alias |
If there was an option to toggle-away the user bar, the lavish whitespace wouldn't be a problem probably |
| 01:31 |
|
Alias |
It's the combination of the two that are the problem |
| 01:33 |
|
Alias |
I look some digital shots of the screen layouts |
| 01:33 |
|
Alias |
I wonder where I put those |
| 01:33 |
|
Alias |
Even the default menus wrap |
| 01:33 |
|
Alias |
"Create personal sidebar" consumes two lines |
| 02:06 |
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| 02:47 |
|
Ryan52 |
"Padre is a joke, a combination of slow, difficult to use, and could be great if a unified design came together, but that will never happen. :(" |
| 02:47 |
|
Ryan52 |
yay people like us.. |
| 02:47 |
|
Ryan52 |
:( |
| 02:49 |
|
Ryan52 |
szabgab: it's passed 1000 voters.. |
| 02:59 |
|
garu |
ouch |
| 03:00 |
|
garu |
Ryan52, I guess flame bait happens even inside the Perl community |
| 03:03 |
|
cfedde |
is that a comment from someone "inside the Perl community"? |
| 03:13 |
|
garu |
I don't think the poll was spread outside of it |
| 03:18 |
|
cfedde |
I saw it on reddit today. |
| 03:28 |
|
Alias |
phht |
| 03:28 |
|
Alias |
A year ago it was "You have to stupid to start an editor project" |
| 03:29 |
|
Alias |
Now it's "Slow and difficult to use" |
| 03:29 |
|
Alias |
And yet, the comment is just "it sucks", not "Why the fuck did they bother" |
| 03:30 |
|
CSJewell |
In that case... let's make it a white hole, so that it doesn't suck. :) |
| 03:30 |
|
cfedde |
never read the reviews on opening night. |
| 03:41 |
|
garu |
nuba, registration is open :) |
| 03:42 |
|
garu |
nuba, please let me know when you're done so I can close it... we have a bad spamming problem |
| 03:43 |
|
garu |
Alias, hey it feels like progress to me |
| 03:43 |
|
garu |
first "why the fuck did you bother" |
| 03:43 |
|
garu |
then "slow and difficult to use" |
| 03:43 |
|
garu |
next is "it doesn't do $foo" |
| 03:44 |
|
garu |
first they laugh at you, then they.... oh, you know the rest |
| 03:44 |
|
garu |
:) |
| 03:46 |
|
nuba |
garu: registered, thanks! |
| 03:46 |
|
* garu |
closes registration |
| 03:51 |
|
szabgab |
Alias> szabgab will unlock registration and let you sign up |
| 03:52 |
|
szabgab |
Alias, then for what did I give you the admin bit on trac? |
| 03:52 |
|
Alias |
You did? |
| 03:53 |
|
Alias |
I didn't think I had it yet |
| 03:54 |
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| 03:55 |
|
szabgab |
nuba, if you want to report that bug, ping Alias or me to open the registration form for you |
| 03:55 |
|
szabgab |
oh garu did already |
| 03:55 |
|
szabgab |
it is still 6 am here... |
| 03:55 |
|
Alias |
yup |
| 03:55 |
|
szabgab |
and I slept only 4 hours |
| 03:56 |
|
Alias |
I'm on an average of 4.5 for the 5 days of this week |
| 03:56 |
|
Alias |
I'm wasted |
| 03:56 |
|
Alias |
Trying to win competition stuff |
| 03:56 |
|
garu |
tell me about it... last night was only 2h sleep for me |
| 03:56 |
|
garu |
hopefully I'll sleep all over the weekend |
| 03:56 |
|
garu |
Alias, what competition? |
| 03:56 |
|
szabgab |
but you guys are still young and capable :-) |
| 03:57 |
|
garu |
szabgab, right, I forgot you were in your seventies :) |
| 03:59 |
|
szabgab |
Ryan52, I thought we will reach 1000 voters in 3-4 days only but we reached that in less than 24 hours so I kept it open for some more time |
| 03:59 |
|
Alias |
garu: Three actualy... |
| 03:59 |
|
Alias |
mashupaustralia.gov |
| 04:00 |
|
Alias |
And apps4nsw.nsw.gov.au |
| 04:00 |
|
Alias |
And there's one more I kinda forget |
| 04:01 |
|
Ryan52 |
szabgab: ah |
| 04:02 |
|
garu |
Alias, is it me? neither links resolve |
| 04:02 |
|
Ryan52 |
garu: me neither. probably because we aren't australian enough for them. pfft. :) |
| 04:02 |
|
garu |
found it --> mashupaustralia.org |
| 04:06 |
|
Hyppolit |
#704: Segfault when closing documentation dialog (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/704 ] |
| 04:06 |
|
nuba |
there it is |
| 04:07 |
|
garu |
nice, thanks for the report |
| 04:07 |
|
szabgab |
crap, I started to get again the "padre is not responsive" window |
| 04:07 |
|
szabgab |
when closing Padre |
| 04:20 |
|
szabgab |
vote count is now on 2950, let me see if it is still growing well |
| 04:21 |
|
szabgab |
and vi has 996 votes |
| 04:24 |
|
garu |
szabgab, what's Padre's rank? |
| 04:24 |
|
szabgab |
92 votes 3% |
| 04:25 |
|
szabgab |
9th place |
| 04:25 |
|
SvenDowideit__ |
how many people have commited code to Padre? |
| 04:25 |
|
szabgab |
IMHO skewed upwards |
| 04:25 |
|
szabgab |
~50 |
| 04:26 |
|
garu |
9th |
| 04:26 |
|
SvenDowideit |
that's a pretty interesting ratio - i guess most of us have voted |
| 04:26 |
|
garu |
that's a little unexpected, isn't it? |
| 04:26 |
|
SvenDowideit |
no-one i talked to knew about really padre |
| 04:26 |
|
SvenDowideit |
really knew about... |
| 04:27 |
|
SvenDowideit |
some had seen a presentation about something, but said it looked rough so they didn't try it |
| 04:27 |
|
SvenDowideit |
and alot of us have been using vi for so long |
| 04:30 |
|
garu |
I thought we'd be just behind the major ones (vim/emacs/komodo/epic) |
| 04:31 |
|
szabgab |
what do you people think about moving http://www.perlmonks.org/?node[…]velopment%20Tools to perlide.org ? (after getting the agreement of the current maintainer) |
| 04:31 |
|
szabgab |
oh I thought we won't be so high :-) |
| 04:31 |
|
garu |
TextMate, UltraEdit and Notepad++ came as a surprise to me |
| 04:32 |
|
SvenDowideit |
i think Perl as a community needs to fix its domains |
| 04:32 |
|
garu |
I thought they'd be kate and gedit |
| 04:32 |
|
SvenDowideit |
there are too many that mean too little |
| 04:32 |
|
SvenDowideit |
garu, are you a non-windows dev? |
| 04:33 |
|
garu |
that obvious, huh? :/ |
| 04:33 |
|
SvenDowideit |
the number of people that use perl as a tool at their dayjob far outweighs the non-windows users |
| 04:33 |
|
SvenDowideit |
i think i forgot to tick 'notepad' and 'wordpad' |
| 04:34 |
|
SvenDowideit |
as i regularly use those on windows servers i have to work on (that are not mine) |
| 04:34 |
|
garu |
I think the number of people that user perl as a tool at their dayjob far outweights those that do perl coding for a living |
| 04:34 |
|
garu |
"as" their dayjob, I meant |
| 04:34 |
|
SvenDowideit |
yup |
| 04:34 |
|
garu |
which would explain popularity for those editors |
| 04:35 |
|
SvenDowideit |
which is why strawberry perl is so important, and why portable strawberry with padre installed rocks to much |
| 04:35 |
|
garu |
still, if you think of underlying platform, we can see a lot of windows perl coders around |
| 04:35 |
|
garu |
I really really like this |
| 04:35 |
|
garu |
specially now that microsoft's winter games allows perl along with vbscript and powershell |
| 04:36 |
|
szabgab |
garu actually I think "at" was more correct |
| 04:36 |
|
SvenDowideit |
and yet, i still hate having to use windows :) - i'm very glad windows 7 doesn't suck quite so much |
| 04:36 |
|
garu |
if we can get windows coders in the games |
| 04:36 |
|
szabgab |
if that means they do a little perl too |
| 04:36 |
|
szabgab |
I don't think there are many full time perl developers out there |
| 04:36 |
|
szabgab |
what is that winter game thing ? |
| 04:36 |
|
garu |
szabgab, no no... I meant "I think the number of people that use perl as a tool at their dayjob far outweights those that do perl coding as their dayjob" |
| 04:37 |
|
garu |
it's a free competition, I believe |
| 04:37 |
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szabgab |
that's right |
| 04:37 |
|
garu |
microsoft poses some problems |
| 04:37 |
|
garu |
people online try to solve them |
| 04:37 |
|
garu |
I think prizes are distributed to winners as well |
| 04:37 |
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szabgab |
is there any special need there that padre might help solving ? |
| 04:38 |
|
garu |
no idea... as SvenDowideit rightly put, I'm not a windows dev... heck, I haven't touched a windows box in years |
| 04:38 |
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SvenDowideit |
you lucky bugger :) |
| 04:40 |
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garu |
szabgab, hmmm... contest site appears to be out and point to http://technet.microsoft.com/e[…]nter/default.aspx |
| 04:42 |
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| 04:42 |
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garu |
SvenDowideit, except that it doesn't let people look at the source (and change it) I have nothing against windows myself |
| 04:42 |
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SvenDowideit |
giggle |
| 04:42 |
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SvenDowideit |
i don't care about the source |
| 04:43 |
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SvenDowideit |
i have other troubles with it :) I was happily trying out windows 7, and then after 6 weeks, it stopped booting |
| 04:43 |
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garu |
ouch |
| 04:43 |
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SvenDowideit |
so i just put debian back on this little quad box, and i was happy for a week |
| 04:44 |
|
garu |
then it stopped booting as well?! |
| 04:44 |
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garu |
:P |
| 04:44 |
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SvenDowideit |
then it decided to not run padre anymore, and now i'm back to using gedit |
| 04:44 |
|
SvenDowideit |
don't have time to work out what wxwidgets has done to itself this time :/ |
| 04:44 |
|
garu |
:( |
| 04:45 |
|
SvenDowideit |
(i have a sneaking suspicioun it stopped working after i installed virtualbox |
| 04:45 |
|
SvenDowideit |
oh well, time to go again, at least i'm at home :) |
| 04:46 |
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garu |
:) |
| 04:47 |
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garu |
szabgab, I like the idea of merging that data into perlide.org, btw |
| 04:49 |
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garu |
to be fair, maybe there should be an individual page for the ones people care enough to... well... to make an individual page about |
| 04:49 |
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garu |
or not |
| 04:50 |
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garu |
come to think of it, "good" projects already have their own page |
| 04:50 |
|
garu |
I miss this though -->http://code-and-hacks.blogspot[…]adre-for-vim.html |
| 04:51 |
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szabgab |
what do you mean you miss ? |
| 04:52 |
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garu |
vim is not an IDE per-se |
| 04:52 |
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garu |
so I miss a "Perl and Vim" page |
| 04:52 |
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garu |
a good one, with screenshots, pointers and everything else... like that blog post |
| 04:53 |
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garu |
I never used any of those helpers, not even when I went 100% vim... maybe if there was an easy enough page about it, I would have |
| 04:53 |
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garu |
I'm not proposing we do it |
| 04:53 |
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garu |
just allowing people from those other IDEs to do it, if they want to |
| 04:54 |
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szabgab |
I am not sure if we move that table to perlide.org we might be asked to add all kinds of info we don't agree to |
| 04:54 |
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garu |
but external linkage is good enough, it's just an idea |
| 04:54 |
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szabgab |
or accused of not adding info as want to fight competition :-) |
| 04:54 |
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garu |
yeah, could be |
| 04:55 |
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garu |
the table itself feels harmless enough though |
| 04:55 |
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szabgab |
so I am going to add a list of the tools - the result of the poll |
| 04:55 |
|
szabgab |
with the numbers and some explanation |
| 04:56 |
|
szabgab |
and then we see if we want the rest of this table to be on perlide.org |
| 04:57 |
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szabgab |
and I was stupid as I should have put the whole poll on the perlide.org website and promote that one not the one on the poll site |
| 04:58 |
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garu |
live and learn :) |
| 04:59 |
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szabgab |
that was really stupid as it could have generated quite a nice traffic and linkage to perlide.org ... |
| 04:59 |
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szabgab |
next time |
| 05:00 |
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garu |
make it an anual poll :) |
| 05:01 |
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garu |
hmmm.... microsoft scriptcenter provides several scripting categories, each with a short how-to list. Maybe the nice win32 Perl folks could do their own version, to promote Perl as an more than adequate solution to PowerShell, and even identify eventual shortcomings |
| 05:29 |
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szabgab |
actually I am thinking of running a longer survey soon with many more questions |
| 05:35 |
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nuba |
you could try something like webgui's cmsmatrix.org |
| 05:35 |
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nuba |
where they allow for other people to add features and products to the comparison matrix |
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Sewi |
Good morning |
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Alias |
garu: The day I was visiting the Microsoft Open Source Labs, someone there was doing a competative analysis of Perl vs Powershell |
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Sewi |
Alias: May I ask you for a little Wx-tweak on the SessionManager.pm - Dialog? |
| 06:10 |
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Sewi |
It needs to be a little bit bigger because I had to use some space for a new checkbox |
| 06:11 |
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Alias |
If it's actually written properly, you should HAVE to "tweak it" |
| 06:11 |
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Alias |
The sizing should be content-driven |
| 06:11 |
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Alias |
Also, that size is going to be wrong anyway |
| 06:12 |
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Alias |
Because it won't take into account the different sizes of Windows, Unix and Mac widgets |
| 06:12 |
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Sewi |
For Ubuntu, the checkbox is something big... |
| 06:12 |
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Alias |
So what you really mean is, Alias: Please build me an entirely new interface class? |
| 06:12 |
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Sewi |
No, just beautify the existing one a little bit :-) |
| 06:12 |
|
Alias |
... By rewriting it |
| 06:16 |
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Sewi |
http://surfio.de/privat/sessionmanager.png |
| 06:17 |
|
Alias |
"Internet use policy restricts access to this Web Page at this time. " |
| 06:17 |
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Sewi |
If rewriting would be easier then getting a bit more height... |
| 06:17 |
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Alias |
If it's just about getting a bit more height, you do it |
| 06:17 |
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Alias |
Go find the fixed height number, and make it bigger |
| 06:19 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8862 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8862 |
| 06:19 |
|
Hyppolit |
Screenshot upload for Alias |
| 06:19 |
|
Hyppolit |
branches/ |
| 06:19 |
|
Alias |
heh |
| 06:20 |
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Sewi |
Hmm, I think I didn't see a height number, but I'll check this, but maybe not today :-) |
| 06:20 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8863 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8863 |
| 06:20 |
|
Hyppolit |
Removal of temporary file |
| 06:20 |
|
Hyppolit |
branches/ |
| 06:20 |
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Sewi |
Alias: Does this work? http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ager.png?rev=8862 |
| 06:26 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8864 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8864 |
| 06:26 |
|
Hyppolit |
Remaining things from yesterdays change: Auto-Save current session |
| 06:26 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
| 06:27 |
|
Alias |
It works |
| 06:27 |
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Alias |
What's the problem, that someone didn't make the centre section optionally scrollable? |
| 06:27 |
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Sewi |
No, the checkbox is eating up a lot of space from the list |
| 06:28 |
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Alias |
You know I hate the idea of sessions, right? :) |
| 06:28 |
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Sewi |
You know I can't live without them, right? :-) |
| 06:29 |
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Alias |
At some point I need to write an "Open Project" |
| 06:29 |
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Sewi |
Maybe integrating them into the "project" concept would be better |
| 06:29 |
|
Alias |
Which works out the most important files in a project and opens all of them |
| 06:29 |
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Alias |
hrm |
| 06:30 |
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Alias |
We already have a "Close Project" option |
| 06:30 |
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Alias |
Maybe it could remember that list of files as a session |
| 06:30 |
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Sewi |
There are people (not me) who mix up all their open files in one Padre instance. For them, at least a "restore last state" is needed. |
| 06:30 |
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Alias |
I mix up all my open files |
| 06:30 |
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Sewi |
"most important files in a project" really depends on what you're working on currently |
| 06:30 |
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Alias |
I've found that "Close Project" and "Close Other Project" solve almost all my problems |
| 06:31 |
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Alias |
hrm |
| 06:31 |
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Alias |
So you open the most recent 10 files by modification date? |
| 06:31 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8865 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8865 |
| 06:31 |
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Hyppolit |
Some other triggers to save session data |
| 06:31 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
| 06:32 |
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Sewi |
I saved one session per project. Opening them just opens all the files I was using last time. |
| 06:32 |
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Alias |
I get it |
| 06:33 |
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Sewi |
For Padre this is atm: Main, Document, Changes, TODO, 05_do_it_again.pl PopularityContest, ToolBar, Action and SessionSave representing the things I don't consider "done" atm. |
| 06:34 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8866 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8866 |
| 06:34 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated Changes |
| 06:34 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
| 06:34 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8867 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8867 |
| 06:34 |
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Hyppolit |
TODO-Comment which really needs to be done |
| 06:34 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 06:37 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8868 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8868 |
| 06:37 |
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Hyppolit |
Perl tidy |
| 06:37 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 07:17 |
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szabgab |
and we need a "Project" menu item as people keep asking if Padre supports projects |
| 07:18 |
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Alias |
I was thinking that we could change the "Directory" title |
| 07:18 |
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Alias |
If we're in project mode, we change it to Project |
| 07:19 |
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szabgab |
I don't like menu options changing in the background without my actions, too much magic |
| 07:20 |
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Sewi |
szabgab: Only the title of the "Directory" tree. It changes it's behaviour inside a project, so show this by changing the title. |
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Alias |
szabgab: Yeah, that idea of mine largely fails |
| 07:30 |
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Alias |
But I like the idea of the Project vs Directory thing |
| 07:30 |
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Alias |
Also, I find that I want to ONLY show the tree when it's a project |
| 07:31 |
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Alias |
I almost never use it as a real directory browser |
| 07:31 |
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Sewi |
It's worth a preference :-) |
| 07:31 |
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Alias |
And more often than not, if I open a temp file, Padre hangs while it renders a 800 long list of random temp directories |
| 07:37 |
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Sewi |
Really worth a background job :-) |
| 07:37 |
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Alias |
Sure |
| 07:37 |
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Alias |
But also, what the hell is the point of having a directory browser open most of the time |
| 07:37 |
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Alias |
I have a gui version control tool for that, personally |
| 07:37 |
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Sewi |
easy and fast access to files? |
| 07:38 |
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Alias |
Which files? |
| 07:38 |
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Alias |
If you aren't inside of a project, what files? |
| 07:38 |
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Sewi |
Whatever you need. |
| 07:38 |
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Alias |
The current directory browser is slower and harder than most of the build in OS things :) |
| 07:38 |
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Sewi |
You're right that most of the time my directory browser is in face a project browser, but not always. Then testing, I usually use files, not a project |
| 08:05 |
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szabgab |
people who are used to real IDEs expect their version control to be integrated into it |
| 08:06 |
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szabgab |
not a separate thing |
| 08:06 |
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szabgab |
same with directory browsing |
| 08:07 |
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Alias |
Sure, but ours kinda sucks :) |
| 08:08 |
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SvenDowideit |
raise a task :p |
| 08:09 |
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SvenDowideit |
on the continuing path of learning - in Devel::Leak::Object, both warn and Car are used - is there a reason not to be using just one of them? |
| 08:09 |
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SvenDowideit |
(especially as i am already playing in the code there) |
| 08:10 |
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Alias |
Probably not, already doesn't one spew a stack trace and the other not? |
| 08:11 |
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SvenDowideit |
the thing that made me look is that there's a die that i've had to replace with a warn, and then i pondered why there's both carp&warn :) |
| 08:12 |
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SvenDowideit |
i presume that Carp is also replaceable with a subclass, whereas warn not so much |
| 08:18 |
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* SvenDowideit |
wonders if there is/should be an #svn.ali.as |
| 08:19 |
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Alias |
Every channel is that channel |
| 08:19 |
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SvenDowideit |
hehe |
| 08:19 |
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SvenDowideit |
oo, time to go |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
| 08:51 |
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rindolf |
Alias: here? |
| 09:04 |
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rindolf |
http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]/Find/Rule/VCS.pm - hmmm.... |
| 09:05 |
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rindolf |
I'd like to adapt it to File-Find-Object-Rule but the dependencies on File-Find-Rule are all over the code. |
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teejay |
hey you crazy kids |
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rindolf |
teejay: hey, crazy kid. |
| 10:14 |
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rindolf |
It's too quiet here. |
| 10:14 |
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rindolf |
Is it a holiday. |
| 10:14 |
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rindolf |
Halloween or something? |
| 10:14 |
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Sewi |
rindolf: Create some patches and commit them to make at least Hyppolit say something :-) |
| 10:15 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: :-) |
| 10:27 |
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rindolf |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U[…]riticisms_of_Perl - :-) |
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rindolf |
Google-- # Cannot find Larry Wall's speech. |
| 10:55 |
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Sewi |
Karma Google |
| 10:55 |
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Sewi |
karma Google |
| 10:55 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of Google is -1 |
| 10:55 |
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Sewi |
:-) |
| 11:00 |
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rindolf |
:-) |
| 11:01 |
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Sewi |
karma C |
| 11:01 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of C is 28 |
| 11:01 |
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rindolf |
karma Perl |
| 11:01 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of Perl is 0 |
| 11:01 |
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rindolf |
Perl++ |
| 11:01 |
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Sewi |
Hyppolit, don't fool us |
| 11:01 |
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rindolf |
karma perl |
| 11:01 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of perl is 0 |
| 11:01 |
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rindolf |
perl++ |
| 11:01 |
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rindolf |
karma perl |
| 11:01 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of perl is 1 |
| 11:01 |
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Sewi |
karma Perl |
| 11:01 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of Perl is 1 |
| 11:01 |
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Sewi |
Perl ne perl |
| 11:01 |
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Sewi |
karma Hyppolit |
| 11:01 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of Hyppolit is 0 |
| 11:02 |
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rindolf |
Sewi: a Frenchmen told me that it's holiday for him today. Do you know which one? |
| 11:03 |
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szbalint |
oct 23rd |
| 11:04 |
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Sewi |
Sorry, don't know, seems to be a national one |
| 11:24 |
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rindolf |
szabgab: 23-October |
| 11:24 |
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rindolf |
szbalint: Oct 23rd is an Americanism. |
| 11:25 |
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rindolf |
Brits use 23-Oct |
| 11:25 |
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rindolf |
Which makes much more sense. |
| 11:25 |
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rindolf |
I also write milliard in English instead of "billion" for 10**9 |
| 11:29 |
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szbalint |
I don't trust anyone who writes their dates in reverse |
| 11:29 |
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szbalint |
:) |
| 11:29 |
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szbalint |
yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss is what was intended |
| 11:30 |
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sjn |
szabgab: editor poll closed already? o.O |
| 11:39 |
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rindolf |
szbalint: well, Americans tend to say Oct 23rd, 2009 |
| 11:39 |
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rindolf |
Which is kinda like mixed-endian. |
| 11:40 |
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rindolf |
szbalint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E[…]ess#Middle-endian |
| 11:50 |
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* Sewi |
& |
| 11:52 |
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teejay |
ame |
| 11:52 |
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teejay |
MDY dates are just bad and wrong |
| 11:53 |
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teejay |
and should be punished with forfeiture of monies, goods and limbs |
| 11:53 |
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teejay |
szabgab, you about ? |
| 11:56 |
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szabgab |
sjn, reopened |
| 11:56 |
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szabgab |
lunch & |
| 12:00 |
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sjn |
szabgab: thanks! ^^ |
| 12:01 |
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teejay |
szabgab, I'm hacking the autodia plugin btw |
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kthakore |
C++ : P |
| 12:34 |
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kthakore |
karma of C |
| 12:34 |
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kthakore |
Hyppolit: karma of C |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
Hyppolit: Karma of C |
| 12:35 |
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sjn |
karma C |
| 12:35 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of C is 29 |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
Hyppolit: Karma C |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
yay! |
| 12:35 |
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sjn |
\o/ |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
perl++ |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
Hyppolit: Karma perl |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
?? |
| 12:35 |
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sjn |
Karma perl |
| 12:35 |
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sjn |
karma perl |
| 12:35 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of perl is 2 |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
yay! |
| 12:35 |
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kthakore |
ok gtg |
| 12:43 |
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rindolf |
C++-- |
| 12:43 |
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rindolf |
karma C++ |
| 12:43 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of C++ is -1 |
| 12:43 |
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rindolf |
:-D |
| 12:43 |
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kthakore |
C++-- |
| 12:43 |
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kthakore |
C++-- |
| 12:43 |
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kthakore |
C++-- |
| 12:43 |
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kthakore |
:P |
| 12:43 |
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kthakore |
hate that shit |
| 12:43 |
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rindolf |
karma C++ |
| 12:43 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of C++ is -4 |
| 12:44 |
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kthakore |
rindolf: hiya! |
| 12:44 |
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rindolf |
karma enterprise |
| 12:44 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of enterprise is 0 |
| 12:44 |
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rindolf |
Hi kthakore |
| 12:44 |
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kthakore |
rindolf++ |
| 12:44 |
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rindolf |
kthakore: thanks . :-) |
| 12:44 |
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kthakore |
karma rindolf |
| 12:44 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of rindolf is 5 |
| 12:44 |
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kthakore |
yay! |
| 12:44 |
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rindolf |
karma shlomif |
| 12:44 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of shlomif is 13 |
| 12:44 |
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kthakore |
karma kthakore |
| 12:44 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of kthakore is 1 |
| 12:44 |
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kthakore |
yay! |
| 12:44 |
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kthakore |
ok I go get coffee now. |
| 12:47 |
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sjn |
karma sjn |
| 12:47 |
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Hyppolit |
Karma of sjn is 0 |
| 12:47 |
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sjn |
yay! |
| 12:47 |
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sjn |
thought these karmabots were all the same... |
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sjn |
makes sense that they aren't now that I think more about it |
| 13:23 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: can we get Hyppolit on SDL? |
| 13:23 |
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kthakore |
#sdl> |
| 13:23 |
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kthakore |
I like the karma bot |
| 13:23 |
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kthakore |
:) |
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kthakore |
Alias: around? |
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* szabgab |
woke up with headache |
| 14:25 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: morning |
| 14:25 |
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szabgab |
teejay, I want to see autodia live! |
| 14:25 |
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teejay |
:) |
| 14:25 |
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kthakore |
watch this |
| 14:25 |
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teejay |
well autodia is fine standalone |
| 14:25 |
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teejay |
I'm hacking the plugin now |
| 14:26 |
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teejay |
on and off |
| 14:26 |
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teejay |
also looking after new baby |
| 14:26 |
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teejay |
:) |
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szabgab |
teejay, but how do I view it in linux ? |
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teejay |
Autodia? |
| 14:26 |
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teejay |
or the plugin? |
| 14:26 |
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szabgab |
I ran it on some code it generated some text file and what now ? |
| 14:26 |
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kthakore |
please_dont_die++ |
| 14:26 |
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kthakore |
wth? |
| 14:26 |
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kthakore |
Hyppolit code is broken on padre svn |
| 14:26 |
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Hyppolit |
code was unknown |
| 14:26 |
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Hyppolit |
code is now broken on padre svn |
| 14:26 |
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teejay |
szabgab, how did you run it ? |
| 14:26 |
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kthakore |
oops |
| 14:27 |
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* kthakore |
runs and hides :( |
| 14:27 |
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kthakore |
sorry |
| 14:27 |
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szabgab |
code? |
| 14:27 |
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Hyppolit |
code is broken on padre svn |
| 14:28 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: I was trying to get hyppo_lit on sdl |
| 14:28 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: as you see it dies |
| 14:28 |
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szabgab |
teejay, I don't remember, it was days ago and I think not on this machine |
| 14:28 |
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teejay |
szabgab, oj |
| 14:29 |
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teejay |
you should have an autodia.out.xml unless you specified a particular filename |
| 14:29 |
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kthakore |
Hyppolit: code is not broken on svn |
| 14:29 |
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Hyppolit |
code was broken on padre svn |
| 14:29 |
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Hyppolit |
code is now not broken on svn |
| 14:29 |
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szabgab |
kthakore, svn blame it |
| 14:29 |
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teejay |
so you can open that file in dia |
| 14:29 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: your irc bot code I mean s broken not padre |
| 14:29 |
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teejay |
or you can do -z -o filename.png to get it as a nice pretty image |
| 14:30 |
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szabgab |
trying again ... |
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szabgab |
kthakore, I understand that, so check who broke it |
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kthakore |
szabgab: ok |
| 14:32 |
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kthakore |
it is missing stringify method |
| 14:32 |
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kthakore |
svn blame? ok |
| 14:34 |
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Sewi |
hi all |
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Sewi |
code? |
| 14:37 |
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Hyppolit |
code is not broken on svn |
| 14:37 |
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Sewi |
Thats good |
| 14:38 |
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Sewi |
kthakore++; # For teaching Hyppolit about code :-) |
| 14:38 |
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kthakore |
Sewi: no problem |
| 14:39 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: I get nosensical debug out put on Hyppolit_Trunk fail |
| 14:39 |
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szabgab |
kthakore, I have not touched Hyppolit for a while |
| 14:39 |
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kthakore |
ok |
| 14:40 |
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szabgab |
teejay, I never read docs :-) |
| 14:40 |
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teejay |
autodia.pl -h then ;) |
| 14:40 |
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szabgab |
and I thought dia is the windows program |
| 14:40 |
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teejay |
visio is the 'doze program |
| 14:40 |
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szabgab |
so I have not even tried to look for it |
| 14:40 |
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szabgab |
ah |
| 14:40 |
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teejay |
dia is the f/loss diagram editor |
| 14:41 |
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teejay |
but it is quite clunky |
| 14:41 |
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teejay |
visio feels a lot sleeker |
| 14:41 |
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teejay |
and smoother to use, as does smart-draw |
| 14:41 |
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teejay |
dia is quite powerful, but doesn't have the effort made to make it less painful to use |
| 14:43 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: is there an alernative trac irc bot we can use |
| 14:43 |
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kthakore |
I like to do tis |
| 14:43 |
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kthakore |
ticket #45 |
| 14:43 |
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Hyppolit |
#45: Find and Replace (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/45#comment:1 ] |
| 14:44 |
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shadowpaste |
"kthakore" at 217.168.144.84 pasted "Hyppolit_Truck die" (4 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/35288 |
| 14:44 |
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kthakore |
ok back to sdl hacking |
| 14:44 |
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kthakore |
see ya |
| 14:46 |
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szabgab |
Sewi, could you please look at perlmonks and check if there is the german ad for Padre ? |
| 14:47 |
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Sewi |
will do |
| 14:51 |
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Sewi |
I get mostly english ads and didn't see the German Padre ad within the German ones. |
| 14:51 |
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Sewi |
stop |
| 14:51 |
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Sewi |
Another refresh got it. |
| 14:52 |
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szabgab |
the adserver also needs a lot of improvement |
| 14:53 |
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Sewi |
Ask me again when we released Padre 1.0 :-) |
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PerlJam |
(Padre 1.0)++ I look forward to the day! |
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CSJewell |
dia can, too, be used in Windows. [I know, I've done it!] It just doesn't HAVE to be used there, like Visio does. And yes, it is clunky. |
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Sewi |
PerlJam: Awating your daily commit to help reaching the 1.0 :-) |
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kthakore |
hi rindol |
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kthakore |
hi rindolf |
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* Sewi |
& |
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