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| 00:11 |
|
Getty |
jayk: is there any specific problem doing it CPAN way on macosx? |
| 00:12 |
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Getty |
would be the same like the linux way |
| 00:12 |
|
Getty |
dont forget: Padre is technical also just a CPAN module, just the windows dudes needs a bit more help ;) |
| 00:12 |
|
Getty |
but i'm not that aware of the situation of perl on macosx |
| 00:15 |
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Getty |
hiho azawawi btw |
| 00:16 |
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azawawi |
Getty: hi :) |
| 00:16 |
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| 00:16 |
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Getty |
azawawi: anything fine? |
| 00:18 |
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azawawi |
everything is fine. I was and still is busy... Thanks for asking :) |
| 00:26 |
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Getty |
busy, eh? ;) just excuses for not coding perl |
| 00:30 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 00:30 |
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| 00:30 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8894 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8894 |
| 00:30 |
|
Hyppolit |
[Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Added :) |
| 00:30 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/t/ |
| 00:36 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8895 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8895 |
| 00:36 |
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Hyppolit |
[Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Fixed version and ignored files |
| 00:36 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/ |
| 00:39 |
|
Alias |
\o |
| 00:39 |
|
Alias |
http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/39805 |
| 00:46 |
|
* Alias |
lays down the gauntlet for Padre to chew up all of Notepad++ and Ultraedit's userbases |
| 00:49 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8896 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8896 |
| 00:49 |
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Hyppolit |
[Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Added Padre Developers as in Padre.pm |
| 00:49 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/ |
| 00:51 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8897 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8897 |
| 00:51 |
|
Hyppolit |
[Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Ignored MANIFEST.bak |
| 00:51 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ |
| 00:54 |
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azawawi |
Alias: ping |
| 00:55 |
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azawawi |
Alias: in your last article, there is a typo, "we we can" => "we can" |
| 00:59 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8898 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8898 |
| 00:59 |
|
Hyppolit |
[Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Fixed Changes, damn copy-n-paste :) |
| 00:59 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ |
| 01:02 |
|
Alias |
fixed |
| 01:02 |
|
azawawi |
thx |
| 01:17 |
|
azawawi |
Padre is still 0.42 at sid (http://packages.debian.org/sid/padre) |
| 01:17 |
|
Alias |
That's RyanC's fault :) |
| 01:17 |
|
Alias |
err Ryan52 |
| 01:17 |
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azawawi |
Ryan52? |
| 01:17 |
|
Alias |
0.43 was when we added the non-Debian-compatible splash screen |
| 01:17 |
|
Alias |
0.48 removes it as a problem |
| 01:18 |
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azawawi |
that also means that ubuntu 9.10 will have padre 0.42 |
| 01:18 |
|
azawawi |
which is due soon |
| 01:20 |
|
azawawi |
Ryan52: ping |
| 01:21 |
|
Alias |
azawawi: Why do I get a ++ for Acme-CPANAuthors-Arabic? |
| 01:22 |
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azawawi |
Alias: for providing the hosting service :) |
| 01:22 |
|
Alias |
ah :) |
| 01:22 |
|
Alias |
It definitely makes creating small random things easier |
| 01:22 |
|
Alias |
Very very low-thought repo |
| 01:23 |
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azawawi |
Alias: sent an email to Ryan52 to remind him :) |
| 01:24 |
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azawawi |
I am happy. My ISP gave up on caching :) |
| 01:26 |
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azawawi |
# Trac-- for re-login each time |
| 01:29 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: i was looking at Editra (python-based, Scintilla...). Not bad |
| 01:30 |
|
Alias |
It's commercial? |
| 01:30 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: certainly the preferences UI is something we need to improve (or steal :) |
| 01:30 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: nop |
| 01:30 |
|
azawawi |
http://editra.org/ |
| 01:31 |
|
azawawi |
wxwindows license |
| 01:31 |
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azawawi |
hmmm, "For non commercial uses Editra is freely available under the terms of the wxWindows License. " |
| 01:33 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8899 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8899 |
| 01:33 |
|
Hyppolit |
[Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Perl tidy |
| 01:33 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/t/ |
| 01:35 |
|
Alias |
IMO we need to basically replace everything made using the current Wx::Dialog |
| 01:36 |
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azawawi |
and dialog positioning should be also configurable |
| 01:37 |
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kthakore |
szabgab: around? |
| 01:37 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: centre on parent, centre, top bottom, ...etc |
| 01:37 |
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azawawi |
kthakore: dont think so, it is 4:37am here |
| 01:37 |
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kthakore |
azawawi: ok |
| 01:37 |
|
azawawi |
kthakore: which reminds me , hi :) |
| 01:37 |
|
Alias |
azawawi: I plan to build a Padre::Wx::Dialog class at some point for everything to inherit from |
| 01:37 |
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kthakore |
azawawi: hi |
| 01:37 |
|
Alias |
Our current stuff also doesn't handle changes in screen resolution |
| 01:37 |
|
Alias |
It can display things off the screen |
| 01:39 |
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azawawi |
Alias: that means we may need % positioning instead of pixel... |
| 01:39 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: or maybe im sleepy :) |
| 01:39 |
|
Alias |
No, it means we need sizers |
| 01:39 |
|
Alias |
Like Wx is supposed to be |
| 01:40 |
|
kthakore |
hi Alias |
| 01:43 |
|
Alias |
hi |
| 01:48 |
|
kthakore |
Alias: 23% of SDL::Video done! |
| 01:48 |
|
kthakore |
:) |
| 02:00 |
|
Alias |
What is the purpose of Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre, other than to increase the maintenance burden on the Padre team? |
| 02:02 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8900 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8900 |
| 02:02 |
|
Hyppolit |
I will not be part of this insanity |
| 02:02 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/ |
| 02:03 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: why? |
| 02:03 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: :) |
| 02:03 |
|
Alias |
It's a completely fucking stupid namespace |
| 02:04 |
|
Alias |
It is inaccurate, requires an enormous amount of maintenance effort, and doesn't even produce accurate numbers |
| 02:04 |
|
azawawi |
i was thinking of automating it to read from Padre.pm |
| 02:04 |
|
Alias |
Or, perhaps, automating the whole fucking thing so there's no need for a distribution at all |
| 02:04 |
|
kthakore |
gnight guys |
| 02:05 |
|
Alias |
Acme::CPANAuthors::Distribution, now THAT I'd support |
| 02:05 |
|
Alias |
So nobody would need to write any more Acme::CPANAuthors modules |
| 02:05 |
|
kthakore |
azawawi: come by #sdl sometimes too :) bye |
| 02:05 |
|
azawawi |
kthakore: sure :) |
| 02:05 |
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kthakore |
gnight Alias |
| 02:05 |
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azawawi |
Alias: i used it as a lame excuse to bring myself back to Padre :) |
| 02:06 |
|
Alias |
Well, I will not be used to pad someone's numbers |
| 02:07 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: and marketing... one more page to talk about Padre |
| 02:07 |
|
azawawi |
like POE... |
| 02:07 |
|
Alias |
That's fucking stupid as well |
| 02:08 |
|
Alias |
Between the Padre.pm AUTHORS section, and CPANDB scanning Padre:: you could produce the entire set almost entirely automated |
| 02:09 |
|
* azawawi |
is breaking the window list to fix ticket #372 |
| 02:15 |
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azawawi |
Alias: I am sorry but I did not realize earlier how much you hate Acme::CPANAuthors::* ... |
| 02:16 |
|
Alias |
I hate wasted effort |
| 02:16 |
|
Alias |
Mostly |
| 02:16 |
|
Alias |
If the numbers weren't innacurate, I wouldn't mind so much |
| 02:16 |
|
Alias |
Then it's just harmless fun |
| 02:17 |
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azawawi |
what numbers are you referring to? excuse my ignorance :) |
| 02:22 |
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azawawi |
Alias: is there a way to know that a cpan user is Arabic, Brazilian from metadata? |
| 02:23 |
|
Ryan52 |
Alias, azawawi: dam is looking at it. |
| 02:23 |
|
Ryan52 |
Alias, azawawi: share/doc/perlopref.pod is without copyright/license |
| 02:24 |
|
azawawi |
Ryan52: hmmm, let me see |
| 02:25 |
|
azawawi |
Ryan52: how about contacting cowens to add one? |
| 02:26 |
|
Ryan52 |
ya. |
| 02:26 |
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azawawi |
Ryan52: or putting an issue at http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/ |
| 02:26 |
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Ryan52 |
well the reason why I haven't done anything on it is because Padre isn't maintained by me -- it's group maintained. and with my lack of time I'm only touching packages where I am the sole/primary maintainer. |
| 02:28 |
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azawawi |
Ryan52: ok, let us list all the remainder debian issues so we can solve them in trac tickets... |
| 02:28 |
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azawawi |
Ryan52: i really appreciate your time :) |
| 02:28 |
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Ryan52 |
that's it I believe. |
| 02:29 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8901 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8901 |
| 02:29 |
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Hyppolit |
Fixed ticket:372 "window list should be sorted alphabetically" |
| 02:29 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
| 02:30 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8902 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8902 |
| 02:30 |
|
Hyppolit |
Updated Changes |
| 02:30 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
| 02:31 |
|
Hyppolit |
#372: window list should be sorted alphabetically (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/372#comment:2 ] |
| 02:32 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8903 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8903 |
| 02:32 |
|
Hyppolit |
Perl tidy |
| 02:32 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
| 02:40 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8904 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8904 |
| 02:40 |
|
Hyppolit |
Find Text => Find &Text |
| 02:40 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 02:50 |
|
Hyppolit |
#310: vertical alignment is a bit broken (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/310#comment:2 ] |
| 02:53 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8905 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8905 |
| 02:53 |
|
Hyppolit |
POD fixes |
| 02:53 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ |
| 02:55 |
|
Ryan52 |
Alias: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin[…]rt.cgi?bug=551926 |
| 02:55 |
|
Ryan52 |
Alias: what should I do? :( |
| 03:00 |
|
cfedde |
is there a way to open paths in the output window in buffers? or jump to file/line numbers from error output? |
| 03:05 |
|
PerlJam |
cfedde: double click on the line in the output |
| 03:06 |
|
cfedde |
PerlJam: apparently I'm missing a plugin or something. |
| 03:06 |
|
cfedde |
double click just selects word |
| 03:06 |
|
PerlJam |
Hmm. |
| 03:06 |
|
PerlJam |
I just tried it one day and it worked so I didn't think much of it. |
| 03:07 |
|
cfedde |
hum. |
| 03:07 |
|
PerlJam |
But I have installed bunches of plugins |
| 03:12 |
|
jayk |
Getty: Mainly that I can't get it to work myself, and I've been using perl for nigh-on 14 years. |
| 03:13 |
|
jayk |
I was just thinking it'd be nice to have a Padre.app that had it's own Perl, etc. |
| 03:13 |
|
jayk |
but perhaps I'm jumping the gun. |
| 03:15 |
|
PerlJam |
jayk: Maybe use PAR? |
| 03:16 |
|
jayk |
*nod* I don't know that I'll have the time to do it entirely myself - I was just wondering if anyone was working on something like it already. |
| 03:16 |
|
jayk |
that I could lend a hand on or test, etc. |
| 03:22 |
|
cfedde |
odd. the cpan module install feature uses the terminal that I started padre in. |
| 03:22 |
|
cfedde |
amd blocks till the install returns. |
| 03:26 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8906 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8906 |
| 03:26 |
|
Hyppolit |
Added configurable window_list_shorten_path and removed ancient TODO |
| 03:26 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
| 03:28 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8907 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8907 |
| 03:28 |
|
Hyppolit |
Fixed 04-config.t to pass after adding window_list_shorten_path |
| 03:28 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/t/ |
| 03:28 |
|
azawawi |
cfedde: yes that's a known issue |
| 03:28 |
|
cfedde |
azawawi: cool. |
| 03:30 |
|
Alias |
Ryan52: To the best of my knowledge, MY pip came first and I did my proper due diligence on it (I specifically checked the debian package database to make sure the name was not in use). The python one came later, and I swear I've seen at least one place where the author was told that there was already a pip tool in debian |
| 03:30 |
|
Alias |
And I vaguely recall that it was going to be renamed |
| 03:31 |
|
Hyppolit |
#490: quick access to open files (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/490#comment:2 ] |
| 03:31 |
|
Alias |
azawawi++ # Window list sorted alphabetically |
| 03:33 |
|
azawawi |
See what happens when i drink my morning coffee :) |
| 03:33 |
|
Alias |
I saw another editor do something even better |
| 03:34 |
|
Alias |
I think it was doing something like showing the full project path in the window list |
| 03:34 |
|
Alias |
So you see Foo.pm in the actual editor tab, but lib/Bar/Foo.pm in the window list |
| 03:34 |
|
Alias |
And on top of that, it would be neat if it was also sorted by project |
| 03:35 |
|
Alias |
But I'm not sure if the text you show in the window list can be different to the editor titles |
| 03:38 |
|
azawawi |
yeah... # ticket please :) |
| 03:38 |
|
Alias |
Righto |
| 03:38 |
|
Alias |
:) |
| 03:40 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8908 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8908 |
| 03:40 |
|
Hyppolit |
Added Configurable shorten common path in window list to Preferences dialog |
| 03:40 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 03:41 |
|
Hyppolit |
#709: Show editor window listed by project, then project-relative path (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/709 ] |
| 03:41 |
|
Alias |
I went into extensive detail |
| 03:42 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: Did you notice the enhanced look & feel of 'padre.exe' on xp/vista/win7...? |
| 03:42 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: wperl.exe.manifest trick |
| 03:42 |
|
Alias |
I don't USE the enhanced look and feel, I set all my stuff to look like Windows 95 :) |
| 03:42 |
|
Alias |
For the speed :) |
| 03:43 |
|
Alias |
Actually, my quad-core Vista machine has native look and feel, but I haven't put Padre on it yet |
| 03:43 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: once we get http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/677 up and running, we'll have a fully native padre.exe |
| 03:43 |
|
jayk |
Speaking of, anybody have Strawberry / Padre working on Win7 ? |
| 03:44 |
|
azawawi |
jayk: i will try it today on a vm |
| 03:44 |
|
jayk |
I've been wondering about that today but I don't have win7 on anything yet. |
| 03:44 |
|
Alias |
My either |
| 03:44 |
|
Alias |
I keep meaning to get around ot it |
| 03:44 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r8909 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8909 |
| 03:44 |
|
Hyppolit |
add blog of szabgab and Alias |
| 03:44 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ |
| 03:45 |
|
azawawi |
jayk: so far we had a couple of bugs on it (printing dialog...). So i guess it is running. |
| 03:45 |
|
jayk |
cool. :-) |
| 03:45 |
|
szabgab |
gm |
| 03:46 |
|
azawawi |
szabgab: hi early bird :) |
| 03:47 |
|
azawawi |
jayk: the copy that i have is win7 enterprise (from company's msdn subscription).... |
| 03:47 |
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szabgab |
azawawi, indeed |
| 03:47 |
|
szabgab |
but I see you have been up for a while |
| 03:49 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: the eight-virtual-processor-in-a-task-manager machine? :) |
| 03:49 |
|
Alias |
No, just 4 |
| 03:49 |
|
Alias |
It's a low-end quad |
| 03:50 |
|
Alias |
I bought it to force myself to think more about parallel programming :) |
| 03:50 |
|
Alias |
I've never taken it past about 65% CPU |
| 03:50 |
|
jayk |
Alias: admit it, you just wanted to play crysis. |
| 03:50 |
|
Alias |
Crysis was what took it to 65% |
| 03:50 |
|
jayk |
ahahaha |
| 03:50 |
|
Alias |
Even that doesn't use more than two cores |
| 03:51 |
|
Alias |
I'm still waiting for a game that will actually be able to chew the whole thing |
| 03:51 |
|
Alias |
I'm guessing most game designers are targetting fully occupying a dual |
| 03:51 |
|
jayk |
seems that way. |
| 03:52 |
|
szabgab |
I just bought a quad CPU desktop |
| 03:52 |
|
szabgab |
but I already ad to take it back as it was broken |
| 03:52 |
|
jayk |
I have a 8-way mac pro(long story), with everything I ever use running, plus a few VMs, I have approached 50% usage.... |
| 03:53 |
|
jayk |
I had to write my own audio conversion script, because nothing would operate on more than 2 files at once. :-/ |
| 03:53 |
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szabgab |
jayk, so when is that book due out? |
| 03:53 |
|
jayk |
Early next year. we were shooting for Jan/Feb, but we are a bit behind (read, I'm behind) |
| 03:53 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: the one application that actually ate alive my two cores at 100% was a memory hacking tool which was actively searching for a memory address to change in the background :) |
| 03:53 |
|
Alias |
Most of the reason I keep saying that we made the right choice with Padre to use threads is because of my quad :) |
| 03:54 |
|
Alias |
I'm still waiting for Padre to be doing enough interesting things in the background to fill it :) |
| 03:54 |
|
Alias |
BTW, does anyone know much about the task manager |
| 03:55 |
|
Alias |
I was wondering if we could save a bunch of memory by proactively spawning a thead really early before most of the GUI has loaded |
| 03:55 |
|
Alias |
And then copying that virgin thread rather than copying a full loaded one |
| 03:55 |
|
szabgab |
jayk, http://blog.newint.org/tech/20[…]-perl-ide-on-osx/ has a report on how to install Padre on Mac that seems easy |
| 03:56 |
|
azawawi |
Syntax Check can be in a Padre::Service running all the time.... |
| 03:56 |
|
szabgab |
building .app might not be that easy but I was trying to get him build it to /opt/padre or similar and zip it so others can download |
| 03:56 |
|
jayk |
szabgab: Yeah... I was hoping for a 'I don't have to build perl from scratch' option. ;-) |
| 03:57 |
|
azawawi |
szabgab: Padre.app in mac = Padre.exe in win right? |
| 03:57 |
|
jayk |
The book is for beginners to both perl and programming, really... so having them build Perl is a non-starter. |
| 03:57 |
|
Alias |
azawawi: And it probably should be in a standalone service... so it's not loading tons of stuff into all the different threads |
| 03:57 |
|
szabgab |
jayk, how much can Mac users persuade Apple to get everything they need for Padre into the perl that comes with a Mac ? |
| 03:58 |
|
szabgab |
azawawi, no ida |
| 03:58 |
|
Alias |
szabgab: It would be hard... |
| 03:58 |
|
jayk |
szabgab: hehe rather unlikely. |
| 03:58 |
|
szabgab |
idea |
| 03:58 |
|
Alias |
I still think it would be fairly easy to do a port/rewrite/clone of Perl::Dist |
| 03:58 |
|
szabgab |
ok, what is ida ? |
| 03:58 |
|
Alias |
The basic workflow is really simple |
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Alias |
And you'd have an /opt/padre at the end of it |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8910 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8910 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated Changes |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8911 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8911 |
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Hyppolit |
a one file Perl tidy... |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
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jayk |
Alias: that's along the lines of what I was thinking. A self-contained .app containing a compiled version of Perl, along with padre, etc. |
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jayk |
like the padre.exe that's being worked on. |
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azawawi |
jayk: .app is an executable on Mac right? |
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jayk |
well - yes and no. a .app is the 'application distribution format' used on mac. It's actually a directory with a special structure. The executable binary, media files, and supporting frameworks/libraries are within it. |
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jayk |
it's somewhat akin to a more intelligent unpacked .rpm or sommat. lots of special subdirectories and xml files. |
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azawawi |
ah i see. thanks for the explanation. |
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azawawi |
so it is like an executable jar file a-la-java-platform... |
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Alias |
jayk: Pretty much, if you take a look at the structure of Perl::Dist::Inno you should get a pretty decent idea of the structure you'd need |
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Alias |
You could certainly build the /opt/padre tarball quite easily |
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jayk |
Alias: *nod* Unfortunately, with the actual book writing (and the whole making a living thing) I have zero confidence I could take it on and make any headway at all. I could lend a hand with bits and do testing and what not, but there's no way I could lead the initiative before the book was done. :-( |
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* Alias |
shrugs |
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jayk |
it's not that big a deal. I was just curious if anyone was working on something like that already - so I could lend a hand possibly. |
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szabgab |
we need someone to nag^h^h encourage other mac users to build it |
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Alias |
I'd do it myself, except that 1) Steve hates Australia, and thus 2) I don't have a Mac, thus 3) I don't give a shit |
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jayk |
Alias: ahahaha. |
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Alias |
I could buy two quad-core desktop machines for the price of the cheapest Macbook |
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jayk |
so... if you had a mac... you'd do it? Do the VAT you on birthday presents ? ;-) |
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Alias |
Hey, send me a freebie Mac and I'm sure I'd do it |
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Alias |
If only to have a decent Perl |
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jayk |
hmm. I'll have to think about that. It might be worth it. it's too bad I just sold my old macbook. |
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azawawi |
CSJewell: hi :) |
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azawawi |
CSJewell: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/572 |
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Alias |
Then again, I'm not exactly a compiler guy |
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Alias |
So I'm not sure exactly what I'm doing in that regard |
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Alias |
You'd want kmx to outline the correct way to build stuff first |
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Hyppolit |
#572: Padre standalone: Eliminate the black console window from when running Padre. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/572#comment:2 ] |
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jayk |
'course, there's always this: http://www.ihackintosh.com/200[…]c-with-rebel-efi/ |
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CSJewell |
Alias: Must have missed the first part of that convo (just got on) - what's going on? |
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Alias |
I was just suggesting that the Mac people should fork/clone/etc Perl::Dist::whatever to make a standalone /opt/padre install |
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Alias |
And that if someone gave me a free Macbook I might be convinced to make it for them |
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jayk |
I'm whining about how hard it is for newbies to get Mac+Perl+Padre running, and Alias is telling me what should be done, and I'm whining some more about why can't someone aside from me do it, cuz I'm busy. ;-) |
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Alias |
I've discovered that Mac people, despite having a lot of very smart people, don't really give a shit about platform/build stiuff |
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Alias |
Nothing for 2 years on File::HomeDir, until I yelled at them and made it a Shiny Problem, and then they cared and fixed it in two days |
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jayk |
Sadly, I do actually care, but I have a problem of caring about too much and hence being constantly overcommitted. Damnit. |
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jayk |
What is likely to really happen in the end is that I will put together a simple linux virtualbox image with a pre-made perl and padre and make it available for download. |
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szabgab |
jayk, actually maybe you could get CSJewell to start building the macperl as well, |
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szabgab |
at least he is in the US so it would be a lot cheaper to buy him a Mac :-) |
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CSJewell |
No. No. No. |
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jayk |
ahahaha. :-D |
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CSJewell |
[For one thing, I'd have to be given a free macbook myself just to do the building/testing!] |
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szabgab |
or there could be an EPO project for Mac - but I think the Mac users think perl is perfect on their computer |
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szabgab |
so I am not sure what's the issue |
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szabgab |
CSJewell, I was talking about that (free for you) |
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CSJewell |
MAYBE then... |
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CSJewell |
[does anybody have a duplicator?] |
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jayk |
szabgab: well - ultimately my book is for beginners, so the Perl that comes on the mac is probably fine. I was just thinking about using padre as the 'show code bits, and tell people what to press to see xyz happen' in the book... but in order to do that I'd need padre to be a relatively painless install... |
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jayk |
at least along the lines of the windows install, which went smooth as silk on my XP vm. |
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szabgab |
we would also really like to have that (beacuse of Ashton) |
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szabgab |
http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/39805 |
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szabgab |
Alias, btw where is this Ashton's Law coming from ? |
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szabgab |
a reference? |
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Alias |
I invented it :) |
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Alias |
It comes from Elaine :) |
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Alias |
(hfb on here) |
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azawawi |
Ashton’s Law: Whenever someone tries to do something for you, they usually end up doing it to you. — Dr. Alan Ashton, 1974 |
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szabgab |
Oh, I found this one: http://brucefwebster.com/2008/[…]ring-ashtons-law/ |
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Alias |
oh darn |
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Alias |
We shall call it Elaine's Law then :) |
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szabgab |
that explains the wording :-) |
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Alias |
I clearly need to register ahtonslaw.com |
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Alias |
ashtonlslaw.com rathre |
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jayk |
well, if anyone is really interested in doing it, I could probably manage a mac mini 'extended loan / donation' (depending on your import laws. ;-) ) before too long. |
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Alias |
Nah, that's ok |
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Alias |
I have a shitty old G3 I can use if I'm that desperate |
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azawawi |
hmmm i really like this Ashton's Law thing... not bad :) |
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Alias |
The only hard research I have is some stuff done during the browser wars |
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jayk |
let's call it a standing offer... if anyone is interested send them my way. ;-) |
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Alias |
But it basically came down to "The ease of procurement is twice as important as the quality of the product" |
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Alias |
Thus, you for maximum success you should spend twice the amount of time on making it easy to locate, install and start using than you do on actually making the program any better |
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Alias |
s/you for// |
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szabgab |
I just exchanged e-mail with Kieren who is building the next perl survey |
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szabgab |
we have an opportunity to suggest a number of questions to be added regarding editor/IDE usage or what we would like to know in order to make Padre better |
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szabgab |
I though of including the same question I had with a similar list (but in abc order and in a combo-box) with 3 choices: |
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szabgab |
primary editor / secondary editor / ???? editor |
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CSJewell |
Hyppolit, svn? |
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CSJewell |
[my memory's shot at the moment, and I'm on the new machine that doesn't have everything quite set up yet... It takes me 2 months to really polish a computer to my liking.] |
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szabgab |
svn? |
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Hyppolit |
svn is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]anualinstallation |
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jayk |
CSJewell: you'll have to tell me your secret. I usually get my machines polished up and happy just about the time they become obsolete. |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8912 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8912 |
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Hyppolit |
Moved insert from file to Edit/insert sub menu |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
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CSJewell |
I usually have the old machine beside me for the first week to check settings against. |
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jayk |
good idea. Beats trying to rummage around in the backup I took. ;-) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8913 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8913 |
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Hyppolit |
Fixed copy and paste error from the last filter tool addition and moved it back to below Edit/diff tools |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
#490: quick access to open files (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/490#comment:3 ] |
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waxhead |
evening |
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* waxhead |
hopes the nic will stay up tonight |
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waxhead |
stupid intel wireless! |
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hi |
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kthakore |
win2 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8914 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8914 |
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Hyppolit |
two more links to blogs |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r8915 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8915 |
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Hyppolit |
link to Russian video |
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naypalm |
does padre have a way to kill a script that was started from padre? |
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Sewi |
yes |
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Sewi |
In the run menu |
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szabgab |
naypalm, sorry I was talking on several other channels |
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szabgab |
if you configure run in separate window then I think the stop script stops working |
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dam |
how critical is share/doc/perlopref.pod? It certainly looks like aa copyrightable work, but lacks any author/licensing information and I am tempted to exclude it from the tarball for Debian |
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szabgab |
but then you should have the black window that you can close |
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szabgab |
dam, we should track it down upstream so you can include it |
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dam |
I see it comes from http://github.com/cowens/perlopref |
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dam |
will padre break if it is missing? |
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szabgab |
not break just would be able to help so much with F2 |
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dam |
ok, so I'll proceed. want a ticket about it, I guess? |
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szabgab |
so you can now remove it but then please open a ticket on our trac for azawawi to fix it |
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dam |
:)) |
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szabgab |
:) indeed |
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naypalm |
there's a stop in the run menu? to be clear I'm currently on windows and can't see one :| |
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naypalm |
and iirc closing the console window closes padre |
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szabgab |
naypalm, actually I think I have not seen it either lately :-) |
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szabgab |
it ran away and could not stop.... |
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szabgab |
and I should go to sleep |
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szabgab |
night & |
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szabgab |
oh 1 more thing |
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szabgab |
naypalm, just keep nagging here people for the answer and the fix |
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szabgab |
or dive in the Padre code and fix it |
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szabgab |
Padre::Wx::Menu::Run I guess |
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naypalm |
I may give it a stab |
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naypalm |
I'm not a perl god though, so probably better someone else does it :) |
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Hyppolit |
#710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710 ] |
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Sewi |
good night |
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Sewi |
naypalm: Try using the newest version, the stop feature is very new, afair it came up in 0.48 |
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naypalm |
ah right, upgrading then |
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naypalm |
I have 0.45 which I presume has been the msi on the main page for a few weeks now |
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