Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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00:11 Getty jayk: is there any specific problem doing it CPAN way on macosx?
00:12 Getty would be the same like the linux way
00:12 Getty dont forget: Padre is technical also just a CPAN module, just the windows dudes needs a bit more help ;)
00:12 Getty but i'm not that aware of the situation of perl on macosx
00:15 Getty hiho azawawi btw
00:16 azawawi Getty: hi :)
00:16 teejay joined #padre
00:16 Getty azawawi: anything fine?
00:18 azawawi everything is fine. I was and still is busy... Thanks for asking :)
00:26 Getty busy, eh? ;) just excuses for not coding perl
00:30 azawawi :)
00:30 Alias joined #padre
00:30 Hyppolit svn: r8894 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8894
00:30 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Added :)
00:30 Hyppolit trunk/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/t/
00:36 Hyppolit svn: r8895 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8895
00:36 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Fixed version and ignored files
00:36 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/
00:39 Alias \o
00:39 Alias http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/39805
00:46 * Alias lays down the gauntlet for Padre to chew up all of Notepad++ and Ultraedit's userbases
00:49 Hyppolit svn: r8896 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8896
00:49 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Added Padre Developers as in Padre.pm
00:49 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/
00:51 Hyppolit svn: r8897 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8897
00:51 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Ignored MANIFEST.bak
00:51 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/
00:54 azawawi Alias: ping
00:55 azawawi Alias: in your last article, there is a typo, "we we can" => "we can"
00:59 Hyppolit svn: r8898 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8898
00:59 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Fixed Changes, damn copy-n-paste :)
00:59 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/
01:02 Alias fixed
01:02 azawawi thx
01:17 azawawi Padre is still 0.42 at sid (http://packages.debian.org/sid/padre)
01:17 Alias That's RyanC's fault :)
01:17 Alias err Ryan52
01:17 azawawi Ryan52?
01:17 Alias 0.43 was when we added the non-Debian-compatible splash screen
01:17 Alias 0.48 removes it as a problem
01:18 azawawi that also means that ubuntu 9.10 will have padre 0.42
01:18 azawawi which is due soon
01:20 azawawi Ryan52: ping
01:21 Alias azawawi: Why do I get a ++ for Acme-CPANAuthors-Arabic?
01:22 azawawi Alias: for providing the hosting service :)
01:22 Alias ah :)
01:22 Alias It definitely makes creating small random things easier
01:22 Alias Very very low-thought repo
01:23 azawawi Alias: sent an email to Ryan52 to remind him :)
01:24 azawawi I am happy. My ISP gave up on caching :)
01:26 azawawi # Trac-- for re-login each time
01:29 azawawi Alias: i was looking at Editra (python-based, Scintilla...). Not bad
01:30 Alias It's commercial?
01:30 azawawi Alias: certainly the preferences UI is something we need to improve (or steal :)
01:30 azawawi Alias: nop
01:30 azawawi http://editra.org/
01:31 azawawi wxwindows license
01:31 azawawi hmmm, "For non commercial uses Editra is freely available under the terms of the wxWindows License.  "
01:33 Hyppolit svn: r8899 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8899
01:33 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Perl tidy
01:33 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/ trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/t/
01:35 Alias IMO we need to basically replace everything made using the current Wx::Dialog
01:36 azawawi and dialog positioning should be also configurable
01:37 kthakore szabgab: around?
01:37 azawawi Alias: centre on parent, centre, top bottom, ...etc
01:37 azawawi kthakore: dont think so, it is 4:37am here
01:37 kthakore azawawi: ok
01:37 azawawi kthakore: which reminds me , hi :)
01:37 Alias azawawi: I plan to build a Padre::Wx::Dialog class at some point for everything to inherit from
01:37 kthakore azawawi: hi
01:37 Alias Our current stuff also doesn't handle changes in screen resolution
01:37 Alias It can display things off the screen
01:39 azawawi Alias: that means we may need % positioning instead of pixel...
01:39 azawawi Alias: or maybe im sleepy :)
01:39 Alias No, it means we need sizers
01:39 Alias Like Wx is supposed to be
01:40 kthakore hi Alias
01:43 Alias hi
01:48 kthakore Alias: 23% of SDL::Video done!
01:48 kthakore :)
02:00 Alias What is the purpose of Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre, other than to increase the maintenance burden on the Padre team?
02:02 Hyppolit svn: r8900 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8900
02:02 Hyppolit I will not be part of this insanity
02:02 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/
02:03 azawawi Alias: why?
02:03 azawawi Alias: :)
02:03 Alias It's a completely fucking stupid namespace
02:04 Alias It is inaccurate, requires an enormous amount of maintenance effort, and doesn't even produce accurate numbers
02:04 azawawi i was thinking of automating it to read from Padre.pm
02:04 Alias Or, perhaps, automating the whole fucking thing so there's no need for a distribution at all
02:04 kthakore gnight guys
02:05 Alias Acme::CPANAuthors::Distribution, now THAT I'd support
02:05 Alias So nobody would need to write any more Acme::CPANAuthors modules
02:05 kthakore azawawi: come by #sdl sometimes too :) bye
02:05 azawawi kthakore: sure :)
02:05 kthakore gnight Alias
02:05 azawawi Alias: i used it as a lame excuse to bring myself back to Padre :)
02:06 Alias Well, I will not be used to pad someone's numbers
02:07 azawawi Alias: and marketing... one more page to talk about Padre
02:07 azawawi like POE...
02:07 Alias That's fucking stupid as well
02:08 Alias Between the Padre.pm AUTHORS section, and CPANDB scanning Padre:: you could produce the entire set almost entirely automated
02:09 * azawawi is breaking the window list to fix ticket #372
02:15 azawawi Alias: I am sorry but I did not realize earlier how much you hate Acme::CPANAuthors::* ...
02:16 Alias I hate wasted effort
02:16 Alias Mostly
02:16 Alias If the numbers weren't innacurate, I wouldn't mind so much
02:16 Alias Then it's just harmless fun
02:17 azawawi what numbers are you referring to? excuse my ignorance :)
02:22 azawawi Alias: is there a way to know that a cpan user is Arabic, Brazilian from metadata?
02:23 Ryan52 Alias, azawawi: dam is looking at it.
02:23 Ryan52 Alias, azawawi: share/doc/perlopref.pod is without copyright/license
02:24 azawawi Ryan52: hmmm, let me see
02:25 azawawi Ryan52: how about contacting cowens to add one?
02:26 Ryan52 ya.
02:26 azawawi Ryan52: or putting an issue at http://github.com/cowens/perlopref/
02:26 Ryan52 well the reason why I haven't done anything on it is because Padre isn't maintained by me -- it's group maintained. and with my lack of time I'm only touching packages where I am the sole/primary maintainer.
02:28 azawawi Ryan52: ok, let us list all the remainder debian issues so we can solve them in trac tickets...
02:28 azawawi Ryan52: i really appreciate your time :)
02:28 Ryan52 that's it I believe.
02:29 Hyppolit svn: r8901 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8901
02:29 Hyppolit Fixed ticket:372 "window list should be sorted alphabetically"
02:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
02:30 Hyppolit svn: r8902 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8902
02:30 Hyppolit Updated Changes
02:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
02:31 Hyppolit #372: window list should be sorted alphabetically (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/372#comment:2 ]
02:32 Hyppolit svn: r8903 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8903
02:32 Hyppolit Perl tidy
02:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
02:40 Hyppolit svn: r8904 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8904
02:40 Hyppolit Find Text => Find &Text
02:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
02:50 Hyppolit #310: vertical alignment is a bit broken (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/310#comment:2 ]
02:53 Hyppolit svn: r8905 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8905
02:53 Hyppolit POD fixes
02:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
02:55 Ryan52 Alias: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-b​in/bugreport.cgi?bug=551926
02:55 Ryan52 Alias: what should I do? :(
03:00 cfedde is there a way to open paths in the output window in buffers?  or jump to file/line numbers from error output?
03:05 PerlJam cfedde: double click on the line in the output
03:06 cfedde PerlJam: apparently I'm missing a plugin or something.
03:06 cfedde double click just selects word
03:06 PerlJam Hmm.
03:06 PerlJam I just tried it one day and it worked so I didn't think much of it.
03:07 cfedde hum.
03:07 PerlJam But I have installed bunches of plugins
03:12 jayk Getty: Mainly that I can't get it to work myself, and I've been using perl for nigh-on 14 years.
03:13 jayk I was just thinking it'd be nice to have a Padre.app that had it's own Perl, etc.
03:13 jayk but perhaps I'm jumping the gun.
03:15 PerlJam jayk: Maybe use PAR?
03:16 jayk *nod*  I don't know that I'll have the time to do it entirely myself - I was just wondering if anyone was working on something like it already.
03:16 jayk that I could lend a hand on or test, etc.
03:22 cfedde odd.  the cpan module install feature uses the terminal that I started padre in.
03:22 cfedde amd blocks till the install returns.
03:26 Hyppolit svn: r8906 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8906
03:26 Hyppolit Added configurable window_list_shorten_path and removed ancient TODO
03:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
03:28 Hyppolit svn: r8907 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8907
03:28 Hyppolit Fixed 04-config.t to pass after adding window_list_shorten_path
03:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
03:28 azawawi cfedde: yes that's a known issue
03:28 cfedde azawawi: cool.
03:30 Alias Ryan52: To the best of my knowledge, MY pip came first and I did my proper due diligence on it (I specifically checked the debian package database to make sure the name was not in use). The python one came later, and I swear I've seen at least one place where the author was told that there was already a pip tool in debian
03:30 Alias And I vaguely recall that it was going to be renamed
03:31 Hyppolit #490: quick access to open files (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/490#comment:2 ]
03:31 Alias azawawi++ # Window list sorted alphabetically
03:33 azawawi See what happens when i drink my morning coffee :)
03:33 Alias I saw another editor do something even better
03:34 Alias I think it was doing something like showing the full project path in the window list
03:34 Alias So you see Foo.pm in the actual editor tab, but lib/Bar/Foo.pm in the window list
03:34 Alias And on top of that, it would be neat if it was also sorted by project
03:35 Alias But I'm not sure if the text you show in the window list can be different to the editor titles
03:38 azawawi yeah... # ticket please :)
03:38 Alias Righto
03:38 Alias :)
03:40 Hyppolit svn: r8908 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8908
03:40 Hyppolit Added Configurable shorten common path in window list to Preferences dialog
03:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
03:41 Hyppolit #709: Show editor window listed by project, then project-relative path (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/709 ]
03:41 Alias I went into extensive detail
03:42 azawawi Alias: Did you notice the enhanced look & feel of 'padre.exe' on xp/vista/win7...?
03:42 azawawi Alias: wperl.exe.manifest trick
03:42 Alias I don't USE the enhanced look and feel, I set all my stuff to look like Windows 95 :)
03:42 Alias For the speed :)
03:43 Alias Actually, my quad-core Vista machine has native look and feel, but I haven't put Padre on it yet
03:43 azawawi Alias: once we get http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/677 up and running, we'll have a fully native padre.exe
03:43 jayk Speaking of, anybody have Strawberry / Padre working on Win7 ?
03:44 azawawi jayk: i will try it today on a vm
03:44 jayk I've been wondering about that today but I don't have win7 on anything yet.
03:44 Alias My either
03:44 Alias I keep meaning to get around ot it
03:44 Hyppolit svn: r8909 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8909
03:44 Hyppolit add blog of szabgab and Alias
03:44 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
03:45 azawawi jayk: so far we had a couple of bugs on it  (printing dialog...). So i guess it is running.
03:45 jayk cool. :-)
03:45 szabgab gm
03:46 azawawi szabgab: hi early bird :)
03:47 azawawi jayk: the copy that i have is win7 enterprise (from company's msdn subscription)....
03:47 szabgab azawawi, indeed
03:47 szabgab but I see you have been up for a while
03:49 azawawi Alias: the eight-virtual-processor-in-a-task-manager machine? :)
03:49 Alias No, just 4
03:49 Alias It's a low-end quad
03:50 Alias I bought it to force myself to think more about parallel programming :)
03:50 Alias I've never taken it past about 65% CPU
03:50 jayk Alias: admit it, you just wanted to play crysis.
03:50 Alias Crysis was what took it to 65%
03:50 jayk ahahaha
03:50 Alias Even that doesn't use more than two cores
03:51 Alias I'm still waiting for a game that will actually be able to chew the whole thing
03:51 Alias I'm guessing most game designers are targetting fully occupying a dual
03:51 jayk seems that way.
03:52 szabgab I just bought a quad CPU desktop
03:52 szabgab but I already ad to take it back as it was broken
03:52 jayk I have a 8-way mac pro(long story), with everything I ever use running, plus a few VMs, I have approached 50% usage....
03:53 jayk I had to write my own audio conversion script, because nothing would operate on more than 2 files at once. :-/
03:53 szabgab jayk, so when is that book due out?
03:53 jayk Early next year.  we were shooting for Jan/Feb, but we are a bit behind (read, I'm behind)
03:53 azawawi Alias: the one application that actually ate alive my two cores at 100% was a memory hacking tool which was actively searching for a memory address to change in the background :)
03:53 Alias Most of the reason I keep saying that we made the right choice with Padre to use threads is because of my quad :)
03:54 Alias I'm still waiting for Padre to be doing enough interesting things in the background to fill it :)
03:54 Alias BTW, does anyone know much about the task manager
03:55 Alias I was wondering if we could save a bunch of memory by proactively spawning a thead really early before most of the GUI has loaded
03:55 Alias And then copying that virgin thread rather than copying a full loaded one
03:55 szabgab jayk, http://blog.newint.org/tech/2009/​10/06/padre-the-perl-ide-on-osx/ has a report on how to install Padre on Mac that seems easy
03:56 azawawi Syntax Check can be in a Padre::Service running all the time....
03:56 szabgab building .app might not be that easy but I was trying to get him build it to /opt/padre or similar and zip it so others can download
03:56 jayk szabgab: Yeah... I was hoping for a 'I don't have to build perl from scratch' option. ;-)
03:57 azawawi szabgab: Padre.app in mac = Padre.exe in win right?
03:57 jayk The book is for beginners to both perl and programming, really... so having them build Perl is a non-starter.
03:57 Alias azawawi: And it probably should be in a standalone service... so it's not loading tons of stuff into all the different threads
03:57 szabgab jayk, how much can Mac users persuade Apple to get everything they need for Padre into the perl that comes with a Mac ?
03:58 szabgab azawawi, no ida
03:58 Alias szabgab: It would be hard...
03:58 jayk szabgab: hehe rather unlikely.
03:58 szabgab idea
03:58 Alias I still think it would be fairly easy to do a port/rewrite/clone of Perl::Dist
03:58 szabgab ok, what is ida ?
03:58 Alias The basic workflow is really simple
03:58 Alias And you'd have an /opt/padre at the end of it
04:01 Hyppolit svn: r8910 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8910
04:01 Hyppolit Updated Changes
04:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
04:02 Hyppolit svn: r8911 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8911
04:02 Hyppolit a one file Perl tidy...
04:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
04:02 jayk Alias: that's along the lines of what I was thinking.  A self-contained .app containing a compiled version of Perl, along with padre, etc.
04:02 jayk like the padre.exe that's being worked on.
04:02 azawawi jayk: .app is an executable on Mac right?
04:04 jayk well - yes and no.  a .app is the 'application distribution format' used on mac.  It's actually a directory with a special structure.  The executable binary, media files, and supporting frameworks/libraries are within it.
04:04 jayk it's somewhat akin to a more intelligent unpacked .rpm or sommat.  lots of special subdirectories and xml files.
04:05 azawawi ah i see. thanks for the explanation.
04:05 azawawi so it is like an executable jar file a-la-java-platform...
04:05 Alias jayk: Pretty much, if you take a look at the structure of Perl::Dist::Inno you should get a pretty decent idea of the structure you'd need
04:06 Alias You could certainly build the /opt/padre tarball quite easily
04:09 jayk Alias:  *nod*  Unfortunately, with the actual book writing (and the whole making a living thing) I have zero confidence I could take it on and make any headway at all.  I could lend a hand with bits and do testing and what not, but there's no way I could lead the initiative before the book was done. :-(
04:09 * Alias shrugs
04:09 jayk it's not that big a deal.  I was just curious if anyone was working on something like that already - so I could lend a hand possibly.
04:09 szabgab we need someone to nag^h^h encourage other mac users to build it
04:10 Alias I'd do it myself, except that 1) Steve hates Australia, and thus 2) I don't have a Mac, thus 3) I don't give a shit
04:10 jayk Alias: ahahaha.
04:10 Alias I could buy two quad-core desktop machines for the price of the cheapest Macbook
04:10 jayk so... if you had a mac... you'd do it?  Do the VAT you on birthday presents ? ;-)
04:11 Alias Hey, send me a freebie Mac and I'm sure I'd do it
04:11 Alias If only to have a decent Perl
04:12 jayk hmm.  I'll have to think about that.  It might be worth it.  it's too bad I just sold my old macbook.
04:12 CSJewell joined #padre
04:13 azawawi CSJewell: hi :)
04:13 azawawi CSJewell: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/572
04:13 Alias Then again, I'm not exactly a compiler guy
04:13 Alias So I'm not sure exactly what I'm doing in that regard
04:13 Alias You'd want kmx to outline the correct way to build stuff first
04:14 Hyppolit #572: Padre standalone: Eliminate the black console window from when running Padre. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/572#comment:2 ]
04:14 jayk 'course, there's always this:  http://www.ihackintosh.com/2009/10/how-to-​install-snow-leopard-on-pc-with-rebel-efi/
04:15 CSJewell Alias: Must have missed the first part of that convo (just got on) - what's going on?
04:15 Alias I was just suggesting that the Mac people should fork/clone/etc Perl::Dist::whatever to make a standalone /opt/padre install
04:16 Alias And that if someone gave me a free Macbook I might be convinced to make it for them
04:16 jayk I'm whining about how hard it is for newbies to get Mac+Perl+Padre running, and Alias is telling me what should be done, and I'm whining some more about why can't someone aside from me do it, cuz I'm busy. ;-)
04:16 Alias I've discovered that Mac people, despite having a lot of very smart people, don't really give a shit about platform/build stiuff
04:17 Alias Nothing for 2 years on File::HomeDir, until I yelled at them and made it a Shiny Problem, and then they cared and fixed it in two days
04:17 jayk Sadly, I do actually care, but I have a problem of caring about too much and hence being constantly overcommitted.  Damnit.
04:19 jayk What is likely to really happen in the end is that I will put together a simple linux virtualbox image with a pre-made perl and padre and make it available for download.
04:20 szabgab jayk, actually maybe you could get CSJewell to  start building the macperl as well,
04:20 szabgab at least he is in the US so it would be a lot cheaper to buy him a Mac :-)
04:21 CSJewell No. No. No.
04:21 jayk ahahaha. :-D
04:21 CSJewell [For one thing, I'd have to be given a free macbook myself just to do the building/testing!]
04:22 szabgab or there could be an EPO project for Mac - but I think the Mac users think perl is perfect on their computer
04:22 szabgab so I am not sure what's the issue
04:22 szabgab CSJewell, I was talking about that (free for you)
04:22 CSJewell MAYBE then...
04:23 CSJewell [does anybody have a duplicator?]
04:23 jayk szabgab: well - ultimately my book is for beginners, so the Perl that comes on the mac is probably fine.  I was just thinking about using padre as the 'show code bits, and tell people what to press to see xyz happen' in the book... but in order to do that I'd need padre to be a relatively painless install...
04:24 jayk at least along the lines of the windows install, which went smooth as silk on my XP vm.
04:24 szabgab we would also really like to have that (beacuse of Ashton)
04:25 szabgab http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/39805
04:26 szabgab Alias, btw where is this Ashton's Law  coming from ?
04:26 szabgab a reference?
04:26 Alias I invented it :)
04:26 Alias It comes from Elaine :)
04:27 Alias (hfb on here)
04:27 azawawi Ashton’s Law: Whenever someone tries to do something for you, they usually end up doing it to you.  — Dr. Alan Ashton, 1974
04:27 szabgab Oh, I found this one: http://brucefwebster.com/2008/​07/10/remembering-ashtons-law/
04:27 Alias oh darn
04:27 Alias We shall call it Elaine's Law then :)
04:28 szabgab that explains the wording :-)
04:28 Alias I clearly need to register ahtonslaw.com
04:28 Alias ashtonlslaw.com rathre
04:29 jayk well, if anyone is really interested in doing it, I could probably manage a mac mini 'extended loan / donation' (depending on your import laws. ;-) ) before too long.
04:30 Alias Nah, that's ok
04:30 Alias I have a shitty old G3 I can use if I'm that desperate
04:30 azawawi hmmm i really like this Ashton's Law thing... not bad :)
04:30 Alias The only hard research I have is some stuff done during the browser wars
04:31 jayk let's call it a standing offer... if anyone is interested send them my way. ;-)
04:31 Alias But it basically came down to "The ease of procurement is twice as important as the quality of the product"
04:31 Alias Thus, you for maximum success you should spend twice the amount of time on making it easy to locate, install and start using than you do on actually making the program any better
04:31 Alias s/you for//
04:37 szabgab I just exchanged e-mail with Kieren who is building the next perl survey
04:38 szabgab we have an opportunity to suggest a number of questions to be added regarding editor/IDE usage or what we would like to know in order to make Padre better
04:39 szabgab I though of including the same question I had with a similar list (but in abc order and in a combo-box) with 3 choices:
04:39 szabgab primary editor / secondary editor / ???? editor
04:41 CSJewell Hyppolit, svn?
04:42 CSJewell [my memory's shot at the moment, and I'm on the new machine that doesn't have everything quite set up yet... It takes me 2 months to really polish a computer to my liking.]
04:42 szabgab svn?
04:42 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download#​Moredetailedinstructionformanualinstallation
04:43 jayk CSJewell: you'll have to tell me your secret.  I usually get my machines polished up and happy just about the time they become obsolete.
04:43 Hyppolit svn: r8912 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8912
04:43 Hyppolit Moved insert from file to Edit/insert sub menu
04:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
04:43 CSJewell I usually have the old machine beside me for the first week to check settings against.
04:44 jayk good idea.  Beats trying to rummage around in the backup I took. ;-)
04:46 Hyppolit svn: r8913 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8913
04:46 Hyppolit Fixed copy and paste error from the last filter tool addition and moved it back to below Edit/diff tools
04:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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08:39 Hyppolit #490: quick access to open files (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/490#comment:3 ]
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09:40 waxhead evening
09:40 * waxhead hopes the nic will stay up tonight
09:40 waxhead stupid intel wireless!
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13:07 Sewi hi
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14:29 kthakore win2
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18:49 Hyppolit svn: r8914 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8914
18:49 Hyppolit two more links to blogs
18:49 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
19:30 Hyppolit svn: r8915 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8915
19:30 Hyppolit link to Russian video
19:30 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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20:18 naypalm does padre have a way to kill a script that was started from padre?
20:40 Sewi yes
20:40 Sewi In the run menu
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20:41 szabgab naypalm, sorry I was talking on several other channels
20:41 szabgab if you configure run in separate window then I think the stop script stops working
20:41 dam how critical is share/doc/perlopref.pod? It certainly looks like aa copyrightable work, but lacks any author/licensing information and I am tempted to exclude it from the tarball for Debian
20:41 szabgab but then you should have the black window that you can close
20:42 szabgab dam, we should track it down upstream so you can include it
20:42 dam I see it comes from http://github.com/cowens/perlopref
20:43 dam will padre break if it is missing?
20:43 szabgab not break just would be able to help so much with F2
20:43 dam ok, so I'll proceed. want a ticket about it, I guess?
20:43 szabgab so you can now remove it but then please open a ticket on our trac for azawawi to fix it
20:44 dam :))
20:44 szabgab :) indeed
20:45 naypalm there's a stop in the run menu? to be clear I'm currently on windows and can't see one :|
20:45 naypalm and iirc closing the console window closes padre
20:46 szabgab naypalm, actually I think I have not seen it either lately :-)
20:47 szabgab it ran away and could not stop....
20:47 szabgab and I should go to sleep
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20:49 szabgab night &
20:49 szabgab oh 1 more thing
20:49 szabgab naypalm, just keep nagging here people for the answer  and the fix
20:49 szabgab or dive in the Padre code and fix it
20:49 szabgab Padre::Wx::Menu::Run  I guess
20:50 naypalm I may give it a stab
20:50 naypalm I'm not a perl god though, so probably better someone else does it :)
20:54 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710 ]
22:41 Sewi good night
22:41 Sewi naypalm: Try using the newest version, the stop feature is very new, afair it came up in 0.48
22:49 naypalm ah right, upgrading then
22:49 naypalm I have 0.45 which I presume has been the msi on the main page for a few weeks now
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