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02:26 azawawi good morning
02:29 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:1 ]
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02:48 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:2 ]
02:49 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:3 ]
02:50 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:4 ]
03:01 Hyppolit svn: r8916 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8916
03:01 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Fixed the svn repo url
03:01 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/
03:04 Hyppolit svn: r8917 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8917
03:04 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Bumped version to 0.02 and fixed a few stuff
03:04 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/lib/Acme/CPANAuthors/
03:07 Hyppolit svn: r8918 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8918
03:07 Hyppolit [Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre] Updated Changes
03:07 Hyppolit trunk/Acme-CPANAuthors-Padre/
03:12 Hyppolit #709: Show editor window listed by project, then project-relative path (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/709#comment:1 ]
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03:58 Hyppolit svn: r8919 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8919
03:58 Hyppolit Fixed ticket:709 "Show editor window listed by project, then project-relative path"
03:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
04:03 Hyppolit #709: Show editor window listed by project, then project-relative path (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/709#comment:2 ]
04:04 Hyppolit svn: r8920 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8920
04:04 Hyppolit Perl tidy
04:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
04:13 Hyppolit svn: r8921 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8921
04:13 Hyppolit Shorten Common Path for window list is working again
04:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
04:15 Hyppolit svn: r8922 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8922
04:15 Hyppolit Updated Changes
04:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
04:18 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:5 ]
04:27 Ryan52 azawawi++ # #710
04:27 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:5 ]
04:29 Hyppolit svn: r8923 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8923
04:29 Hyppolit Added AwesomeComments to previous commit
04:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
04:29 azawawi Ryan52: thanks
04:29 azawawi Ryan52: is it good evening over there? :) 7:29am here
04:33 Hyppolit svn: r8924 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8924
04:33 Hyppolit Added the following text to About dialog:
04:33 Hyppolit "Blue butterfly on a green leaf" splash image is based on work by Jerry Charlotte (blackbutterfly)
04:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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05:23 user_26 I'm did a force install  of Padre 0.48 on winxp/strawberry 5.8.9, now every time a did a F5/run Padre quits, just the window
05:26 user_26 the window just close*
05:32 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:6 ]
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06:47 Sewi good morning
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07:13 Sewi hi doubi
07:23 CSJewell Hello, Sewi.
07:26 Sewi Hi CSJewell.
07:27 user_26 hi, I installed Padre 0.48 with winxp/strawberry 5.8.9 now everytime I execute the script withF5/Run Padre just quit, it closes the window
07:28 Sewi CSJewell: Building an Installer requires much time, does it? I was thinking about a Strawberry+Padre+PHP - Package to make Padre useful as a PHP-IDE...
07:28 CSJewell Once I get the module done, it's about a 3-4 hour job for the Strawberry+Padre one alone.
07:28 Sewi user_26: hi, please click on the help menu, then about and the info tab. Please tell me your Wx::Perl::ProcessStream version
07:29 user_26 Sewi: 0.11
07:30 Sewi CSJewell: :-( Maybe a meta-installer would do (which downloads and installs the Padre package, maybe automatically does a CPAN update on it and automatically downloads and installs PHP4Win).
07:30 Sewi Automatically means "start the setup.exe" in this case :-)
07:31 Sewi user_26: This is too old, I'm sorry. Please start your CPAN client (usually within your Strawberry menu if you use Strawberry) and type "install Wx::Perl::ProcessStream".
07:31 Sewi user_26: It should be 0.20 which is the newest, older versions have known issues on Windows.
07:32 user_26 Sewi: thanks, installing now
07:32 CSJewell Sewi: What you need in that case is what the WiX community calls a "bootstrapper" - let me find the one I've used in the past and refer you there.
07:32 Sewi user_26: Are you new on Padre?
07:33 CSJewell Sewi: http://dotnetinstaller.codeplex.com/
07:33 Sewi CSJewell: Thanks. I don't like PHP at all, but offering Padre4PHP should increase the number of users much.
07:33 user_26 Sewi: this my 4th Padre upgrade
07:34 user_26 Sewi: works now, thanks a lot
07:34 Sewi user_26: Thank you for using, you'll find many new features in the current version :-) If you find other bugs or get idea what should be added, feel free to add them to our trac database at http://padre.perlide.org/wiki/Tickets
07:34 Sewi user_26: For registering, just ask here and it will be opened for you.
07:36 user_26 noted, with thanks
07:42 Hyppolit #705: Can't extract sub when no other subs are defined (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/705#comment:1 ]
07:43 Hyppolit svn: r8925 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8925
07:43 Hyppolit Updated Changes
07:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:02 Sewi ping kaare
08:02 Hyppolit svn: r8926 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8926
08:02 Hyppolit Updated German installation Howto
08:02 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
08:22 kaare ping back Sewi
08:22 Sewi kaare: Thanks. For #708: Any idea how you want to mark a file R/O?
08:22 Hyppolit #708: Mark a document read-only (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/708 ]
08:24 Sewi I got three ideas: padre.yml, special comment in file or metafile, but I don't really like them. Do you have another one?
08:25 Alias hrm?
08:25 Alias For what?
08:25 Alias Regardless of the quesiton, magic comments are a bad answer
08:25 Sewi Hmm, marking via menu item and storing the info in the DB would be better.
08:26 Sewi Alias: True, this is why I don't like the idea.
08:26 Alias One of my strongest policies for Padre, we never resort to damaging files to achieve a feature
08:26 Alias Like vi and others do
08:26 Sewi Alias: Don't forget C - it uses comments for (pre)compiler arguments :-)
08:27 Alias That's a mini-language :)
08:27 Alias Depends if you want the readonly thing as a project policy or personal preference
08:27 Sewi This is why I asked kaare for his ideas about this.
08:28 Alias I am thinking we need to look at removing the project policy file out of the Padre::Config system
08:28 Alias It worries me a bit that we'll want all kinda of interesting stuff in it, which we WON'T want to add into the main config
08:28 Sewi Latest idea: Add a table to the config DB containing the R/O files and a last-used-timestamp and allow the user to clear items older than xx
08:29 Sewi Alias: Sorry, this doesn't make sense to me. This way, I could define config options on a per-project basis - like Padre already does in it's own padre.yml
08:29 Alias Sure
08:29 Alias It makes a lot of sense when your main goal is to allow projects to override local settings
08:30 Sewi Think of a dev team where all people use the same perl interpreter for a project indepently from the local installed one
08:30 Alias It's a bit more out of place if you consider we might start stuffing all kinds of complex'ish data into the project policy file
08:30 Sewi Sure
08:30 Alias I for one actually NEED to have project overrides
08:30 Alias We're in the process of standardising on 4-space indent at work
08:30 Alias And there's going to be a fine jar if you commit tabs
08:30 Alias $1 per file that you "break"
08:31 Sewi So we need 1. a place to store more-than-options for projects and 2. integrate the current padre.yml (options) into this.
08:32 Sewi But I still don't know if kaare thought about project dependency when writing the ticket :-)
08:34 Alias Frankly, since it's half implemented already, I'd love to see project-overrides working as is
08:34 Alias Just for indent and so on
08:35 Alias I've been way too overloaded the last month or so to even move
08:36 Sewi Maybe defining a project DB file name in the project config would be good. The project config would stay human-changeable but we could store complex things which don't need to be human-changeable in a better way.
08:37 Sewi I'ld prefer to have all in one file instead of two but it either restricts the data structures or looses the human-changeable-feature.
08:43 kaare Sewi: Sorry, got distracted. A key combination, menu option or something.
08:43 Sewi kaare: thanks
08:44 Sewi kaare: fyi: OS-level R/O files are now known to Padre and marked as R/O in the status bar.
08:45 kaare If/when we have an idea of which files belong to the project, it could also be nice to have "external" files r/o by default
08:47 Sewi Would you file a ticket for this, please?
08:48 Sewi Don't like the idea for my work but it sounds like a really good config option :-)
08:49 Hyppolit svn: r8927 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8927
08:49 Hyppolit Move a ticket reference into context
08:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
08:49 Hyppolit #705: Can't extract sub when no other subs are defined (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/705#comment:2 ]
08:49 kaare Sewi: OK, that's nice (ro-files being marked).
08:50 kaare Do you want me to file a ticket re my 09:45?
08:51 Sewi Yes, this would be nice.
08:51 Hyppolit svn: r8928 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8928
08:51 Hyppolit Check Padre source for beginner errors
08:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
08:54 Hyppolit svn: r8929 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8929
08:54 Hyppolit Fixed a Use of uninitlized value for new files added to SVN
08:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SVN/lib/Padre/Plugin/
08:57 Hyppolit #711: menu code (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/711 ]
08:58 Hyppolit #711: menu code (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/711#comment:1 ]
09:08 Hyppolit #712: replace by link (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/712 ]
09:11 Hyppolit svn: r8930 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8930
09:11 Hyppolit Skip beginner error checks on source for installation tests as Padre is supposed to work on releases and we should not kill a installation try by a comment or wrong parsing.
09:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
09:11 Hyppolit #713: write constructor (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/713 ]
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10:41 azawawi hello
10:43 * azawawi hears an echo in cyberspace
10:43 azawawi ping
10:43 azawawi :)
10:43 Alias pong
10:43 Alias (lag)
10:44 azawawi how many kilometers of cable does a packet travel before reaching the other end :)
10:45 azawawi i just thought of this one
10:45 Alias A long way
10:45 Alias Jordan to the US to Australia
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10:47 waxhead hey everyone..
10:48 waxhead apparently linux outlaws pod cast has a mention of padre.. haven't listened to it yet
10:50 azawawi hi waxhead. how r u?
10:52 waxhead azawawi: not bad...
10:52 waxhead bit annoyed with the wireless on the laptop lately...
10:52 waxhead azawawi: how about you?
10:53 waxhead oh.. got a ps3 too.. got really sore wrists now...
10:53 waxhead need to get back to coding...
10:54 Sewi Hi azawawi
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11:00 waxhead anyone else see this?
11:00 waxhead http://id-perl.blogspot.com/200​9/10/trying-out-padre-047.html
11:08 waxhead Sewi: you been working on the SVN plugin?
11:18 Sewi waxhead: I did a small fix
11:18 waxhead Sewi: do you use the plugin?
11:20 Sewi sure
11:20 waxhead cool...
11:21 waxhead I'll get back into it and release a new version soon...
11:21 Sewi If you don't stop me, I'll add a "check-if-a-file-should-be-c​ommited-which-is-not-on-svn" today or tomorrow
11:21 waxhead Sewi: no reason to stop you...
11:21 Sewi ok :-)
11:22 waxhead I added a revert to it recently because I actually needed it...
11:22 Sewi I keep using "commit" and it spawns out warnings on STDERR an does nothing if the file isn't added.
11:22 waxhead it was szabgab's to start with... I just fiddled with it a bit...
11:22 waxhead it's also the reason i want to see a configurable toolbar that allows plugins to add themselves to...
11:22 Sewi I'll just add a check but for me one combined option "add/commit" would be enough :-)
11:23 Sewi The toolbar is completly configurable now!
11:23 azawawi Sewi: :)
11:23 waxhead it would be neat to be able to have a plugin present to the tool bar all the icons and actions to create a new toolbar
11:23 kthakore yay!
11:23 Sewi Look at config.pm line 332
11:23 kthakore pulling padre now :)
11:23 waxhead Sewi: yeah  I saw you did some work on that...
11:24 waxhead rather than plugins using the plugin menu to get to to actions
11:24 Sewi azawawi: If you got nothing to do... A toolbar editing dialog like MS Office would be really nice. With grouped actions and drag and drop :-)
11:24 kthakore Sewi: why is there a binary in the repo now?
11:24 kthakore :(
11:24 Sewi kthakore: Where?
11:25 kthakore A    bin/padre.exe
11:25 kthakore A    bin/padre.exe.manifest
11:25 azawawi kthakore: because of me :)
11:26 kthakore azawawi: is there a warranted reason for this? Is this built every svn revision?
11:26 kthakore azawawi: can we not just have a script that makes the .exe or binaries?
11:26 azawawi kthakore: it is only win32 specific atm
11:27 waxhead Sewi: can you add additional toolbars though?
11:27 azawawi kthakore: no need for a binary on non-win32...
11:27 kthakore azawawi: I know but still ... please no binaries on the svn. Its hard enough getting permission to use Padre at work
11:27 kthakore azawawi: I know I am talking about win32
11:27 azawawi kthakore: i'll see what i can do then
11:27 kthakore azawawi: I am trying to get Padre accepted as a standard at work
11:27 azawawi kthakore: ticket please :)
11:27 kthakore azawawi: thank you so much. I will make ticket
11:28 dam kthakore: use the Debian package ;) the .exe is stripped
11:28 kthakore dam: work uses windows
11:28 azawawi kthakore: assign it to me :)
11:28 kthakore azawawi: yay!
11:29 Penfold making the binary separately downloadable is likely to make Win32 admins less paranoid :D
11:30 Sewi waxhead: Additional actions, but currently not toolbars
11:30 azawawi Sewi: ideally we want to skip the wperl.exe running procedure and do a padre.exe that does what wperl.exe is...
11:30 Sewi kthakore: Don't every rely on compiling on Windows.
11:30 azawawi Sewi: i remember a prototype ticket on that
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11:30 azawawi hmmm
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11:30 azawawi on strawberry it will work
11:31 azawawi on activestate no built-in compiler...
11:31 Sewi Should, but we're talking on windows :-)
11:31 kthakore Sewi: we use strawberry
11:31 Hyppolit #714: [Windows] Have a script to make binary. (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/714 ]
11:31 kthakore azawawi: thanks.
11:32 kthakore *sigh*
11:32 Sewi kthakore: atm it (should) compile the exe on install and fall back to the static one if this fails.
11:32 kthakore Sewi: that is not the problem
11:32 Sewi We should add a test to the next release to get cpantesters results for compiling.
11:32 kthakore Sewi: compiling is not the issue
11:32 kthakore Sewi: ticket #714
11:32 Hyppolit #714: [Windows] Have a script to make binary. (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/714 ]
11:33 kthakore Sewi: the binary in the repo is the issue
11:33 azawawi Sewi: so it means padre.exe should not be in the Padre distro? separate install?
11:33 kthakore azawawi: just no .exes in the SVN
11:33 Sewi kthakore: It is there as a fallback. And besides the panic of some it stuff there is no reason to compile a .exe for each install.
11:34 kthakore Sewi: I see ... well I gotta go update my svn access request for our deptartment now :(
11:34 kthakore Sewi: is there anyway to avoid this?
11:34 waxhead Sewi: there's a bit of space in the tool bar, does this mean that I could have the plugin add and remove icons/actions when the plugin is enabled?
11:35 Sewi create a empty local padre.exe, it will skip this file because it things it needs to be merged
11:35 Sewi waxhead: The toolbar is build out of $Config->{main_toolbar_items}.
11:36 Sewi Change this and it should be enough. But I didn't try redrawing it yet.
11:36 azawawi Sewi: so what are your plans for 0.49?
11:37 kthakore azawawi: teh awesomeness !!!
11:37 kthakore that is plan
11:37 Sewi azawawi: Having more time to work on Padre :-)
11:37 kthakore :)
11:37 kthakore oh and that
11:37 kthakore after feb 2011 I will have more time for Padre + SDL = gamestudio!!!
11:38 waxhead who's the release manager at the omment?
11:38 kthakore waxhead: you :)
11:38 Sewi kthakore: good answer :-)
11:38 azawawi waxhead: null :)
11:38 azawawi waxhead: undef :)
11:38 kthakore yup. I thought so
11:38 waxhead kthakore: not this month I'm not
11:38 waxhead too much on...
11:38 kthakore waxhead: bah humbug
11:38 waxhead happy to take it on early next year...
11:39 kthakore waxhead: I was j/king
11:39 azawawi Sewi: maybe szabgab could do it :)
11:39 kthakore I have no authority in padre
11:39 Sewi Did we get enough updates for a new release?
11:39 waxhead kthakore: it's not a bad idea.. I just need to make sure I have time...
11:39 kthakore ah
11:39 azawawi Sewi: im not talking about making a release
11:40 azawawi Sewi: im talking about what we need to do in the future... what are your thoughts? :)
11:40 azawawi Sewi: like a roadmap...
11:40 waxhead I think for the most part things just work.. but Ryan52 did have some problems that none of us on line at the time could work out ( a test was failing )
11:41 waxhead azawawi: dockable toolbars!!!  :)
11:41 kthakore azawawi: GameStudio!!!
11:42 kthakore :)
11:42 kthakore can I make that a milestone :p
11:43 Sewi azawawi: First satisfy the missing milestone
11:43 azawawi kthakore: :)
11:43 Sewi I want to have Adam on Padre :-))
11:43 azawawi the missing link... adamk
11:43 Alias Sewi: Then someone needs to do a find and replace in Files
11:43 waxhead he's here...
11:44 kthakore ok guys I am heading out to $work :)
11:44 waxhead kthakore: have fun
11:44 kthakore waxhead: :P
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11:44 Sewi Sorry, need to do some urgent work, back soon...
11:46 azawawi One thing i would like to see is a recent Padre in ubuntu (or debian sid) :)
11:46 Sewi This would require a auto-update using cpan after installation
11:46 Sewi Still working...
11:46 azawawi i was thinking also of syntax checker as a service instead of a task...
11:47 Alias Auto-update is an interesting problem on Win32
11:47 Sewi using cpan?
11:48 dam azawawi: I am working on this, there is only one dependency missing (Pod-Perldoc)
11:48 Sewi Alias: I thought of a post-install hook doing "cpan Padre"
11:48 Sewi Maybe this would be all we need.
11:48 Alias Using anything
11:48 Alias The problem is that to do auto-upgrade on Win32, you can't have any of the actual files open
11:49 Sewi Alias: true, but also for .pm-files??
11:49 Alias yes
11:49 Sewi :-(
11:49 Alias Huge amounts of work post-vanilla went into updating ExtUtils::Install
11:50 Alias So we need something that will do a Padre shutdown, somehow get it out the way while the updater is spawned, which does the update, and then restarts Padre from scratch
11:50 Alias So maybe, a Padre shutdown, which at the end of the shutdown spawns a background process, which waits for Padre to finish ending
11:51 Alias And at the end of it background spawn Padre again
11:55 * azawawi work &
12:12 Sewi back
12:15 waxhead ok, time for sleep here..
12:15 waxhead night everyone
12:23 Alias I just realised I need to do a talk on Padre in like a month
12:23 Alias I probably should write it
13:40 Hyppolit #708: Mark a document read-only (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/708#comment:1 ]
13:42 Hyppolit #715: Mark external files as read-only as default (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/715 ]
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14:58 Sewi Hi Haarg
14:59 Haarg hello
15:04 Hyppolit svn: r8931 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8931
15:04 Hyppolit Ignore POD parts when checking for beginner errors.
15:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
15:04 Hyppolit svn: r8932 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8932
15:04 Hyppolit Check the POD-ignore for beginner error checks
15:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
15:20 Hyppolit svn: r8933 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8933
15:20 Hyppolit Fixed a bug which didn't find the correct line on close; - check
15:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
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16:22 mib_zbwtu5 hi all
16:23 mib_zbwtu5 i upgraded to a newer version of strawberry perl
16:23 Sewi hi
16:23 Sewi congratulation :-)
16:23 mib_zbwtu5 and now when i write in the cmd line padre
16:23 PerlJam Sewi: wait for the ... "and padre broke" part
16:23 mib_zbwtu5 wow !!!
16:23 mib_zbwtu5 :-)
16:23 mib_zbwtu5 yes
16:24 mib_zbwtu5 this is what happened
16:24 Sewi PerlJam: I tried to be faster :-)
16:24 Sewi mib_zbwtu5: Padre crashs or nothing happens when you use one of the Run-functions?
16:24 mib_zbwtu5 i write padre in the command line
16:24 mib_zbwtu5 and i don't see anything
16:24 mib_zbwtu5 than
16:25 mib_zbwtu5 padre does not launch
16:25 mib_zbwtu5 i don't see even the window with the butterfly
16:25 Sewi Which OS do you use?
16:26 mib_zbwtu5 windows xp
16:26 mib_zbwtu5 service pack 3
16:26 Sewi What happens if you use the Start menu entry?
16:26 mib_zbwtu5 ah
16:26 mib_zbwtu5 just a sec
16:29 mib_zbwtu5 what is the default location of padre iin the disk ?
16:29 mib_zbwtu5 i'll run it from there
16:31 Sewi c:\strawberry\perl\bin
16:32 mib_zbwtu5 thanks
16:32 mib_zbwtu5 i make a double click
16:32 mib_zbwtu5 and nothing happens
16:32 Sewi Not good :-(
16:33 Sewi "c:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl --version" works for you?
16:34 mib_zbwtu5 yes
16:35 mib_zbwtu5 is there an option to uninstall it and install it again
16:36 mib_zbwtu5 maybe the installation of strawberry perl
16:36 Sewi You could try "cpan Padre" which should upgrade it.
16:36 mib_zbwtu5 i have the newest version
16:37 mib_zbwtu5 so i have nowhere to upgrade
16:37 Sewi Try this, please: C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl C:\strawberry\perl\bin\padre
16:38 mib_zbwtu5 it closes the cmd window immediately
16:38 mib_zbwtu5 so i don't see anything
16:38 Sewi It shouldn't do this.
16:38 Sewi ping Alias | CSJewell
16:38 CSJewell pong
16:39 CSJewell (It'd be 2am for your other choice of person)
16:39 Sewi Hi CSJewell, thanks for ponging :-) Could you help mib_zbwtu5, I don't know anything
16:39 Sewi Oh, he's online so either he fall asleep at his PC or he's around :-)
16:40 mib_zbwtu5 hi
16:40 mib_zbwtu5 maybe i'll wait for the next version of padre
16:40 mib_zbwtu5 when will 0.49 go out ?
16:41 mib_zbwtu5 if there would be a log file or something for crashes i would sent it
16:42 mib_zbwtu5 but now i am just coming with an error that it does not work
16:42 mib_zbwtu5 i know as software developer
16:42 mib_zbwtu5 and my input is not enough detailed
16:42 mib_zbwtu5 so thanks a lot
16:43 Sewi mib_zbwtu5: CSJewell is a Strawberry expert, I hope he could help you
16:43 CSJewell mib_zbwtu5: 1 - which version of Strawberry Perl do you have, (we just released new ones, the web site will be updated within the hour) and 2 - I need the output from running 'perl -MPadre -MWx::Perl::ProcessStream -e "print qq($Padre::VERSION\n$Wx::Perl::ProcessStream\n);" ' at a command prompt.
16:43 CSJewell My bad, 'perl -MPadre -MWx::Perl::ProcessStream -e "print qq($Padre::VERSION\n$Wx::Perl​::ProcessStream::VERSION\n);" '
16:44 mib_zbwtu5 C:\Documents and Settings\michaelga>perl -MPadre -MWx::Perl::ProcessStream -e "p rint qq($Padre::VERSION\n$Wx::Perl​::ProcessStream::VERSION\n); Encode object version 2.33 does not match bootstrap parameter 2.34 at C:\strawbe rry\perl\lib/XSLoader.pm line 94. Compilation failed in require at C:\strawberry\perl\site\lib/Padre/Util.pm line 134. BEGIN failed--com
16:45 mib_zbwtu5 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at C:\strawberry\perl\site\lib/Padre/Util.pm l ine 134. Compilation failed in require at C:\strawberry\perl\site\lib/Padre/Splash.pm lin e 11. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at C:\strawberry\perl\site\lib/Padre/Splash.pm  line 11. Compilation failed in require at C:\strawberry\perl\site\lib/Padre.pm line 22. BEGIN failed--
16:45 mib_zbwtu5 Compilation failed in require. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted.
16:45 mib_zbwtu5 yes
16:45 mib_zbwtu5 there is an error
16:47 mib_zbwtu5 i downloaded the strawberry perl today at 12:00
16:47 mib_zbwtu5 6 hours ago
16:53 Hyppolit svn: r8934 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8934
16:53 Hyppolit Reduce false positives for beginner error checks
16:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/
16:57 Hyppolit svn: r8935 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8935
16:57 Hyppolit Fixed a warning (reported by beginner error checks)
16:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
16:59 Sewi mib_zbwtu5: I don't know if this would help at all, but a "cpan Encode" may not be wrong.
17:01 mib_zbwtu5 trying it now
17:02 daxim CSJewell,   padre --version should dump anything interesting.
17:02 Sewi daxim: padre crashed the console window where it was started :-(
17:02 mib_zbwtu5 it does not say anything
17:02 mib_zbwtu5 padre -- version
17:03 CSJewell daxim: In this case, it looks like Padre might not have been able to get that far.
17:04 daxim pitiful perl
17:04 CSJewell But thanks for letting me know.
17:04 mib_zbwtu5 i'll see what happens after installing the newest version of encode
17:06 daxim that's ticket 408 - if it only says the version number of padre itself, but not anything else that is useful for debugging, please ameliorate the bug report
17:06 mib_zbwtu5 now the command says
17:06 mib_zbwtu5 C:\Documents and Settings\michaelga>perl -MPadre -MWx::Perl::ProcessStream -e "p rint qq($Padre::VERSION\n$Wx::Perl​::ProcessStream::VERSION\n); 0.48 0.11
17:06 mib_zbwtu5 0.48 and 0.11
17:07 mib_zbwtu5 padre --version
17:07 mib_zbwtu5 still does not work
17:07 mib_zbwtu5 ok
17:08 CSJewell mib_zbwtu5: The last number should have been 0.20.
17:09 CSJewell "cpan Wx::Perl::ProcessStream" now.
17:09 mib_zbwtu5 aha
17:09 mib_zbwtu5 so i'll install the newest version
17:10 CSJewell That should be a big-time help.
17:11 CSJewell After that, I may have to hand the baton back to Sewi and see if any other modules need upgraded - I don't use Padre myself yet, but I'm the go-to Strawberry Perl guy and Windows packager.
17:11 mib_zbwtu5 now it is 0.22
17:11 mib_zbwtu5 but still neither padre
17:11 mib_zbwtu5 nor padre --version makes something
17:12 Sewi Thanks CSJewell
17:13 mib_zbwtu5 is there a command of upgrading all cpan modules you have ?
17:13 CSJewell Yes, actually, there is.
17:13 CSJewell Let me look.
17:13 mib_zbwtu5 i'll make it when i go form work and afterwards i'll have everything installed correctly
17:13 mib_zbwtu5 when i come back
17:14 mib_zbwtu5 tomorrow
17:16 daxim cpan> r           # shows possible upgrades
17:16 CSJewell in the command prompt, "set PERL_MM_USE_DEFAULT=1" then "cpan" and at the "cpan>" prompt, type "upgrade". (The first part is so that you don't get stopped by questions. It just says "I'll take the default answer, don't worry about asking me, because I may not be here")
17:16 CSJewell And yes, daxim is right, too.
17:16 daxim also        set PERL_EXTUTILS_AUTOINSTALL=--default-deps
17:17 daxim this also avoids more questions
17:17 mib_zbwtu5 thanks a lot
17:17 CSJewell Do that, too.
17:18 mib_zbwtu5 have a nice day
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19:23 Hyppolit svn: r8936 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8936
19:23 Hyppolit Move Ctrl-P from Autocomplete to Print and add Ctrl-Space to Autocomplete
19:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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19:25 Sewi Hi doubi
19:28 Hyppolit svn: r8937 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8937
19:28 Hyppolit Update pot file
19:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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19:31 Hyppolit svn: r8938 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8938
19:31 Hyppolit Perl tidy
19:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ trunk/Padre/t/
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19:33 rindolf Hi all.
19:33 rindolf szabgab: hi.
19:33 Sewi hi rindolf
19:33 rindolf Sewi: hi.
19:33 rindolf Sewi: are you always here?
19:33 rindolf Sewi: or maybe we have compatible schedules?
19:34 szabgab rindolf, yes, what can I help you ?
19:34 Sewi rindolf: I guess this is the reason. :-) I'm here on weekdays between ~7:30 and 22:00 (plus the time I stay at the computer instead on leaving)
19:34 Sewi szabgab: Did you see test 14? I expected much more failures.
19:35 szabgab I hardly have any time for Padre nowdays
19:35 szabgab so no I have not seen it
19:35 szabgab I am working at a client + 2 hours driving a day
19:35 szabgab and Mongering Perl
19:35 Sewi :-(
19:35 szabgab in the spare time
19:36 Sewi Actually we had no real beginner error in the source.
19:36 rindolf szabgab: well, I'd like to talk about http://welcome.foss.org.il/ and also the Perl-IL meetings.
19:36 szabgab that's good :-)
19:36 rindolf szabgab: we now have a room from 18:00 to 20:00 at TAU.
19:36 rindolf Though the 20:00 is a hard-limit.
19:37 rindolf And I've really been negligent in publicising the W2FOSS series.
19:37 szabgab I think it is still too short for a meeting and hacking
19:37 Hyppolit svn: r8939 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8939
19:37 Hyppolit Update German translation to 100% again
19:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
19:37 szabgab and I'd really like to have hacking on these meetings
19:37 rindolf szabgab: ah.
19:37 szabgab some talk and a lot of hacking
19:37 rindolf szabgab: like PyWeb-IL?
19:37 szabgab I have not been there so I don't know
19:38 rindolf szabgab: that seems to be the format there.
19:38 rindolf I think.
19:38 rindolf szabgab: I prefer to hack in the comfort of my apartment's study.
19:38 rindolf szabgab: I've been incredibly non-productive in the Pugs mini-hackathon.
19:39 rindolf Part of the problem was that it wasn't my own computer.
19:39 rindolf And that Windows was slow running Devel-Cover etc.
19:39 rindolf Sorry that I'm thinking out loud.
19:40 rindolf I don't mind inviting someone from Perl-IL , Linux-IL etc. for a pair programming session here at my home.
19:40 rindolf But so far very few people took the offer.
19:40 rindolf Only thing I did were private lessons.
19:40 rindolf In Perl, mostly.
19:42 rindolf szabgab: anyway, can you publicise the TelFOSS Welcome-to-FOSS series?
19:42 rindolf I can prepare some Electronic publicity stuff.
19:42 rindolf HTML/text Eng/Heb.
19:43 rindolf Maybe also a nice banner.
19:43 szabgab how could I publicize it ?
19:43 rindolf Not superb.
19:43 rindolf szabgab: don't know.
19:43 szabgab same here :-)
19:43 rindolf szabgab: :-)
19:43 rindolf szabgab: most of the people I know online are already computer geeks.
19:43 rindolf And the series aims to reach some new audience.
19:44 szabgab there are local mailing lists in some of the cities
19:44 rindolf szabgab: ah.
19:44 rindolf szabgab: for what?
19:44 szabgab I know we have it in Modiin and in Bet Shemesh and Ranana
19:44 rindolf szabgab: are they open for announcements?
19:44 szabgab local stuff
19:44 rindolf Ah, OK.
19:45 szabgab so you might have similar lists in the cities where the w2l runs
19:45 rindolf szabgab: OK.
19:45 rindolf http://www.google.com/search?q=%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7​%99%D7%9E%D7%AA%20%D7%93%D7%99%D7%95%D7%95%D7%​A8%20%D7%AA%D7%9C%20%D7%90%D7%91%D7%99%D7%91
19:46 szabgab nice URL :-)
19:46 rindolf Doesn't seem to have too much value.
19:46 rindolf But Google is not too good for Hebrew queries.
19:46 rindolf Possibly due to the inaneness of the Israeli Internet.
19:46 szabgab "mailing list raanana"
19:47 rindolf And lack of awareness for SEO.
19:50 rindolf http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mailin​g+list+tel+aviv&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g6g-m4
19:50 rindolf First hit.
19:50 rindolf For TelFOSS.
19:53 rindolf I wonder why the Haifa Linux Club doesn't publicise more in Whatsup.org.il
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20:20 Getty padre svn?
20:21 Sewi svn?
20:21 Hyppolit svn is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download#​Moredetailedinstructionformanualinstallation
20:21 Sewi hi getty
20:21 Getty yeah thanks
20:21 Getty was thinking right now what it was
20:22 Getty i'm an idiot, i already checked it out
20:23 Sewi :-=
20:23 Sewi :-)
20:23 Getty so i just make a new test.. and now i really do something with it
20:23 Getty ;)
20:23 Getty lets see... ;)
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20:25 rindolf Bleh! concatenated words.
20:25 rindolf Howamisupposedtoreadthis?
20:25 Sewi slow
20:25 rindolf Sewi: slowly.
20:25 rindolf Sewi: expertsexchange
20:26 Sewi Bad site. Good idea, but other people knowledge should be free.
20:26 rindolf It's too bad I got shlomifish.org and not shlomi-fish.org
20:26 rindolf Sewi: yes.
20:26 rindolf Sewi: but it's also ExpertSexChange
20:26 Sewi lol
20:26 rindolf Sewi: it's an old joke.
20:26 Getty there was a list of "bad domain names" once
20:27 Getty expertsexchange was one of them hehe ;)
20:27 Getty http://www.grupthink.com/topic/22/Easily_mispr​onounced_domain_names_What_are_your_favorites
20:28 szabgab I am not sure why is that a bad name?
20:28 szabgab if python.org is good
20:28 szabgab or was that com ?
20:28 rindolf szabgab: python.com is a porn site, I think.
20:28 szabgab I never remember :-)
20:28 rindolf szabgab: but good luck finding it on Google.
20:29 szabgab rindolf, do you really have to spoil it?
20:29 rindolf perl is a unique name.
20:29 rindolf Someone once hijacked mikmod.org and used it for porn.
20:29 rindolf mikmod is a player for Amiga-style Module files.
20:29 rindolf mplayer uses it or something.
20:30 rindolf Maybe it's libmodplug by now.
20:31 Getty just curious, how am i suppose to switch drive btw, with the directory tree, without opening a file from there over the menu>
20:31 Getty ?
20:32 rindolf Getty: don't you have the standard Windows file open dialog?
20:32 Getty i talk about the "Directory" tab
20:33 Getty the box left
20:33 Getty for unix that works without drives but on windows... i miss them right now
20:33 Getty i could use the menu / open dialog of course, but that is not the point :)
20:34 szabgab Getty, I guess noone here has more than one drive even on windows, so the issue did not come up :-)
20:34 Sewi Getty: Just fix it :-)
20:35 Getty nah thats to high for me for now, i will just add a ticket on padre trac for now
20:35 Sewi lazy guy :-)
20:38 teejay oh. so that's what gabor looks like
20:38 Hyppolit #716: there is no way to change drive over the "directory" tab on the left (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/716 ]
20:38 teejay cpan gravator is wierd when you see somebody's face for the first time
20:39 Getty i considered this as major defect
20:39 szabgab teejay, what ?
20:39 Getty sorry ;)
20:42 Getty BTW: that mispronounced domain names reminded me on a bad idea i had for a small test project once
20:43 Getty i called it Pocola (POE Componenent Land) as a kind of test for making something with clients and servers game style
20:43 Getty Sewi probably starts already laughing ;)
20:44 Getty Pocola => Po-Cola translated from german: Ass-Coke
20:45 teejay as in Debbie Harry ?
20:45 Getty Debbie Harry?
20:46 teejay urban legend involving cocaine
20:46 teejay Debbie Harry - Blondie, 80s star
20:46 Getty no Coke in drinking coke i mean
20:46 Getty Cola => coca cola
20:46 Getty :)
20:46 teejay boring
20:46 teejay :)
20:46 Getty sorry ;)
20:47 Getty but it was the joke in company
20:47 teejay so
20:47 Getty when i showed it some dudes
20:47 teejay file dialogs
20:47 teejay how can I do it
20:50 teejay ah
20:53 teejay main open_file_dialog
20:53 teejay does that allow selection of multiple files or directories?
20:57 teejay ah, found what I need
20:57 teejay sweet
21:06 Getty btw, i get this on current trunk: http://paste.debian.net/50225/
21:07 Getty important for someone?
21:09 Hyppolit #717: i cant create directories inside the directory tab (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/717 ]
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21:19 Getty mh
21:19 Sewi Getty: Du bist korrupt. :-)
21:19 Getty when i go to the setup
21:19 Getty and change the tab size to 4 fields
21:19 Getty shouldnt it change it? ;)
21:19 Sewi I mean: This error can't appear in line 714.
21:19 Getty i dont know
21:19 Sewi This would mean that Wx::Menu->new() failed and this usually must not happen.
21:20 Getty i took trunk
21:20 Getty install it
21:20 Getty and use it right now
21:20 Getty what you wanna hear from me? ;) eh?
21:20 Getty should i lie?
21:20 Sewi stop
21:20 Sewi Yes :-)
21:20 Getty fake the error message just to confuse you? :)
21:20 Sewi No, it is in another line.
21:20 Getty i dont even know when it appeared
21:20 Getty i just saw it in the DOSBox
21:23 Hyppolit svn: r8940 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8940
21:23 Hyppolit Fixed some used of uninitilized values and decided that the TreeCtrl needs to be reviewed. :-)
21:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Directory/
21:33 Getty oh you really decided this? ;)
21:34 Sewi Yes :-)
21:34 Getty dont forget 717 and 716 then ;)
21:34 Sewi I won't steal your tickets. But I don't think that I could review it this week so your patches for closing the tickets are done when I look at it :-)
21:36 Getty what steal?
21:36 Getty take it!
21:36 Getty i just made a bug report :-P
21:36 Sewi Yes, you made it, you fix it.
21:37 Getty l... m. b.... :-p if i get the time i do so, but i got a todo list
21:37 Sewi Yes, and 716 and 717 are top prio there :-)
21:37 Getty nope
21:44 Hyppolit svn: r8941 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8941
21:44 Hyppolit Updated Changes
21:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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22:24 * Sewi &
22:34 GabrielVieira Does anyone have szabgab's Padre presentation slides?!
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