Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2009-10-29

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00:40 Hyppolit #718: highlighting bug on qw( first element if its a classname. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/718 ]
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00:47 azawawi good morning
00:49 Getty good morning, good morning, no time to be up late, good morning, good morning, to you
00:49 azawawi :)
01:26 Hyppolit svn: r8942 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8942
01:26 Hyppolit Wx::Perl::ProcessStream->Run returns undef when the command fails
01:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
01:34 Hyppolit svn: r8943 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8943
01:34 Hyppolit Removed the experimental comment about run command in external window and rolled back stuff committed by mistake
01:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
01:45 Alias Oh crap
01:45 Alias http://2009.osdc.com.au/programme
01:45 Alias I got given the opening slot for the Padre talk
01:46 Alias Which means I have to actually write the talk BEFORE the conference
01:46 azawawi what's 'normal people' ? :)
01:48 azawawi Alias: any chance we can get a recorded/live video of your speech?
01:48 Alias I don' tknow
01:49 Alias I might try to do a Tim Bunce though
01:49 Alias Record the audio myself, and then build a slide show for later
01:49 Alias And sync the two together
01:53 azawawi 25th ...27th November so we can push like 2-3 Padre releases before it... not bad
01:54 Hyppolit #719: TreeCtrl is a mess - renaming of file doesnt work (windows) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/719 ]
02:26 Alias Yeah
02:27 Alias I've convinced submersible to have a basic working Swarm plugin for it as well
02:27 Alias Or at least, the magic zero-conf multicast chat part
02:55 awnstudio can anyone think of any XP tickets I can report on, im installing it via cpan now
02:56 awnstudio the vista ticket i was working on requires me to try to print, still working on that one
03:11 Alias "report on" ? :/
03:40 Hyppolit #720: the default copyright year isnt dynamic for a perl module (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/720 ]
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06:06 Hyppolit svn: r8944 | dam++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8944
06:06 Hyppolit fix POD errors
06:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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06:43 Sewi Good morning
06:47 submersible1 Alias: ping
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07:40 Hyppolit svn: r8945 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8945
07:40 Hyppolit [Padre-Plugin-Swarm] skip irc tests, kill some warnings. add /nick to chatwindow. -love to your network admins and multicast
07:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Wx/Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/t/
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09:04 Hyppolit svn: r8946 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8946
09:04 Hyppolit [Padre-Plugin-Swarm] remove garbage, fix plugin_directory_share - i think
09:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Wx/Swarm/
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09:11 Sewi Hi rhebus
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09:13 rhebus hello sewi
09:26 rhebus so I hear there's a drive to improve the test coverage of padre?
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12:07 Getty re
12:09 Getty who worked on the "tabs formatting" "tabs indenting", dont know, it was feeling so loosy yesterday, that i had to turn all that "auto indenting" features off and do it "like any other editor does"
12:37 GabrielVieira How do I add my name to developers About tab?!
12:47 Sewi GabrielVieira: Edit the file (either web or Padre source)
12:50 GabrielVieira Sewi: do I edit eh About.pm or there is a config file to be edited?
12:51 Sewi afair, it's HTML-source inside the About.pm :-)
12:55 GabrielVieira Yep, but is generated automatically or I need to edit it?
12:55 Sewi You need to edit it
12:58 GabrielVieira ok.. trying now.. :P keep your eyes opened in case I crash everything
12:58 GabrielVieira open*
12:58 Sewi No, crashing things is my job :-)
12:58 GabrielVieira haha :P
12:59 Getty and if you both crash it, i find the bug ;)
12:59 GabrielVieira I'm already the bug ;D
13:01 GabrielVieira I think its going..
13:03 GabrielVieira ok
13:03 GabrielVieira About.pm edited
13:03 GabrielVieira Sewi: where else do I need to edit?!
13:03 GabrielVieira or it's enough?
13:05 Sewi Should be enough
13:09 Hyppolit svn: r8947 | daxim++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8947
13:09 Hyppolit typo
13:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/privinc/Module/Install/PRIVATE/
13:11 GabrielVieira owkay
13:13 Hyppolit svn: r8948 | gabrielmad++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8948
13:13 Hyppolit Added Gabriel Vieira to Developers and Translators About menu.
13:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:13 GabrielVieira donne
13:13 GabrielVieira odne
13:13 GabrielVieira done
13:17 GabrielVieira Sewi: thanks for the support
13:23 Sewi you're welcome
13:36 daxim does mbarbon fix reported bugs in alien::wxwidgets?
13:53 szabgab daxim, I think he does
14:02 daxim that's a doozy.  https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=50944  beware of faulty logic, it already killed socrates!
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14:47 GabrielVieira szabgab: ping
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15:29 Hyppolit svn: r8949 | dam++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8949
15:29 Hyppolit add =head1 NAME so that the man page gets a 'whatis' entry
15:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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16:42 Hyppolit svn: r8950 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8950
16:42 Hyppolit Fixed ProcessStream requirement to 0.20 instead of 0.21
16:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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17:44 mib_lc8prz We use activestate perl 5.6 at work, is there any way to use Padre with that instead of Strawberry?
17:46 daxim hello mib_lc8prz, short answer: no
17:46 daxim 5.6 came out in march 2000
17:46 daxim even 5.8 is "oldstable" by now
17:47 daxim working around the features that 5.6 lacks is not good economic usage
17:48 mib_lc8prz yes but at work we have to support code from that time ...
17:48 szabgab mib_lc8prz, you don't need to run Padre on your perl
17:48 mib_lc8prz so padre is agnostic about the perl version that is installed?
17:48 szabgab you can install padre stand alone and configure it so when you run a script it will use the other perl
17:49 szabgab padre stand alone will bring strawberry in itself but you should not care about it
17:49 szabgab just as you could install any editor that happens to be written in any other language
17:50 szabgab mib_lc8prz,  and you can pick a better nickname by typing    /nick betternick
17:50 PerlJam Padre is coming with Strawberry these days, right?
17:50 szabgab the "Padre Standalone" package comes with Strawberry
17:50 daxim choices are good!  szabgab++
17:50 PerlJam and Alias did strawberry-perl-on-a-stick, right?
17:51 szabgab PerlJam, yes
17:51 mib_lc8prz but the MSI doesn't appear to be able to uncouple from installing strawberry
17:51 szabgab mib_lc8prz, don't worry about the fact that you will have strawberry as well
17:52 PerlJam mib_lc8prz: sounds like you just need a USB drive big enough to hold strawberry-perl-on-a-stick and you can carry around padre and strawberry perl where ever you go  :)
17:52 szabgab if you installed Eclipse, you would need to install Java as it does not run one Perl 5.6, right ?
17:52 szabgab so thing the same way about Padre needing Strawberry Perl
17:53 szabgab the same way as that Java does not interfere with your Perl 5.6 neither should Strawberry that you use for Padre
17:54 szabgab Alias, do you read this conversation ?
17:54 LakeEffect i see
17:55 szabgab I know it is a bit confusing as we have not made it clear enough
17:55 szabgab or I think we over emphasized that it is running on your Perl :-)
17:56 szabgab LakeEffect, btw which company is that if I may ask?
17:57 LakeEffect let me see if I have this right ... padre runs itself using strawberry?
17:57 LakeEffect er .. we write interfaces in the healthcare field is all i should probably say
17:58 szabgab it could also use a recent ActivePerl of course but we don't have it packaged, so let say that description is right
17:58 szabgab just take the "stand alone padre"
17:59 szabgab I have several clients that are stuck on 5.6
17:59 szabgab do you know why is your company still using that version ?
17:59 * PerlJam can't comprehend people still running 5.6
17:59 LakeEffect I just installed the stand-alone looks good so far.
18:00 szabgab there is one issue when you upgrade Padre
18:00 PerlJam (of course, I shouldn't be surprised as I did some consulting a few years ago where the client was still running perl 4 code with a perl 5 interpreter)
18:00 LakeEffect comprehend having to go back and change custom code, and test for several hundred different separate programs ... (we wouldn't get paid while doing that)
18:00 szabgab you better make sure it is in the PATH before the other perl for the time of your upgrade
18:02 szabgab LakeEffect,  so I guess this is because they don't have tests for those programs so it would be very expensive to check if they are working
18:02 szabgab and that they don't see a value in upgrading
18:04 szabgab it's interesting and a huge issue to be solved, I just have not clue how :-(
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18:04 LakeEffect its more that our doing the testing ourselves isn't that difficult it would just take a lot of time away from writing new things that we will actually get paid for :)
18:05 LakeEffect add to that penalties for production down time ...
18:07 LakeEffect thanks for the help ..
18:07 szabgab crap, I was typing a question to LakeEffect :-(
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19:00 Hyppolit #721: Allow turning off the individual "beginner mode" checks one-by one (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/721 ]
19:03 Hyppolit #722: Allow turning off the individual call-tips one-by one (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/722 ]
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19:14 lichtkind szabgab: thanks
19:15 szabgab for what?
19:15 lichtkind szabgab: iveen you solved something im currently sitting on
19:15 lichtkind i've seen ...
19:15 szabgab oh, what were you sitting on ?
19:16 lichtkind szabgab: changing the notebook to AUI but have to change some internal for that as well, but in parallel i do some config stuff
19:17 lichtkind szabgab: did you ever thought about to allow via AUI to move the panels via notebooks?
19:17 szabgab it would be good I think
19:18 lichtkind szabgab: at least optional becaue only some like it strongly and some dislike it strongly
19:18 lichtkind its only a flag to set :)
19:18 szabgab we have the flag already in Padre
19:18 szabgab View/Lock User Interface
19:18 szabgab and when unchecked it allows some level of moving windows
19:19 szabgab but I am not sure how well is that working
19:19 lichtkind szabgab: that are two different flags wxAUI_NB_TAB_SPLIT and move
19:20 lichtkind anyway have to hack hack
19:21 lichtkind i have some inovative ideas too :)
19:23 szabgab great
19:28 lichtkind szabgab: have you any plans for a snippte lib plugin?
19:28 szabgab what is snippte?
19:28 lichtkind snippet
19:29 szabgab we have snippets in core Padre but they are rather simple
19:29 lichtkind and btw i will look into that Wx::Dialog thing when i have bit mor etime
19:29 lichtkind i have templates too but i have there some ideas that go much further
19:30 lichtkind i just ask because if we have an similar yaml format for that both can use it
19:30 szabgab sure, and anyone else , that is usually a good idea
19:30 naypalm what file contains the error text for if a file failed to save? (no permissions, etc)
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19:41 szabgab naypalm, no idea, tried to grep ?
19:42 szabgab isn't that the content of $!  which is the error from the operating system ?
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19:42 naypalm could well be
19:42 naypalm wasn't a helpful error message, I was going to find it!
19:43 naypalm I'd have hunted it out but I'm still on windows and don't have grep :|
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19:45 naypalm "Could not save file: Permission denied" is the "Permission Denied" the $! do you think?
19:45 naypalm I don't know, maybe that's a fine error message
19:58 daxim naypalm, those are defined in errno.h
19:59 daxim but it is not a good idea to rely on the message, because they are localised.  sometimes they change.
19:59 daxim the perl library Errno has an interface to the error numbers
20:06 szabgab naypalm, use ack instead of grep !  it should also come with padre
20:08 [2]awnstudio there should be buttons on the main toolbar to toggle the different panes...
20:26 Sewi naypalm: Try the Search menu, then "Find in files"
20:29 naypalm ohh cute!
20:31 naypalm /Wx/Main.pm line 3058 I believe :)
20:32 naypalm yeah that's the one
20:32 Sewi It should get the error fr
20:32 Sewi string form the file object.
20:32 Sewi (method)
20:33 naypalm $doc being the file object yes? $doc->errstr is being concat'd to "Could not save file: "
20:35 Sewi $document->file is the file object and there should be a "write" or "save" method, I think.
20:36 naypalm it calls the save_file method in the conditional, if it fails it prints the error
20:36 Sewi Hmm, it shouldn't use $!...
20:37 naypalm Wx::gettext("Could not save file: ") . $doc->errstr
20:37 naypalm that's the line, I'd have thought the bracket would end after errstr but just style I guess
20:37 Sewi Looks ok to me.
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23:10 adam_ Greetings from the M5 moterway halfway between Sydney and Canberra!
23:10 adam_ (One of the people in the car has a 3G phone with a wireless hotspot set up)
23:12 Alias_ ls -l
23:12 Alias_ eep
23:12 Alias_ :)
23:33 Hyppolit svn: r8951 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8951
23:33 Hyppolit Starting a plugin to take the generated output of wxGlade and convert it into a Padre-compatible GUI class
23:33 Hyppolit trunk/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-wxGlade/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-wxGlade/lib/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-wxGlade/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-wxGlade/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-wxGlade/t/
23:40 Sewi good night
23:54 * submersible1 grins at Alias
23:55 submersible1 even harder to spot the shell from the chat window while driving it seems!
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