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IRC log for #padre, 2009-11-05

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00:00 code4pay This is a screen shot of  what the last option would look like http://muellers.net.au/pics/screenshot_004.png
00:00 code4pay Notice "Count All" is now "Find All"
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01:30 Hyppolit svn: r9079 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9079
01:30 Hyppolit Created a folder for perlopref to include license and pod
01:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/doc/
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01:40 azawawi good morning
01:41 Hyppolit svn: r9080 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9080
01:41 Hyppolit Move perlopref.pod to newly created folder
01:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/HelpProvider/ trunk/Padre/share/doc/ trunk/Padre/share/doc/perlopref/
01:44 Hyppolit svn: r9081 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9081
01:44 Hyppolit update_perlopref.pl now downloads all of license/README files from perlopref's github page
01:44 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
01:46 Hyppolit svn: r9082 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9082
01:46 Hyppolit Added README/license file for perlopref.pod
01:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/doc/perlopref/
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02:00 Hyppolit svn: r9083 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9083
02:00 Hyppolit Parsing perlopref.pod is now optional (if it is found).
02:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/HelpProvider/
02:01 Hyppolit svn: r9084 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9084
02:01 Hyppolit No more dying in update_perlopref.pl
02:01 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
02:10 Hyppolit svn: r9085 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9085
02:10 Hyppolit Perl tidy
02:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/HelpProvider/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
02:19 Hyppolit svn: r9086 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9086
02:19 Hyppolit Added a check for perlopref folder in update_perlopref.pl
02:19 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
02:35 Hyppolit #710: share/doc/perlopref.pod missing author/license (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/710#comment:7 ]
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03:08 Hyppolit svn: r9087 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9087
03:08 Hyppolit Updated Changes
03:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
03:09 Hyppolit svn: r9088 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9088
03:09 Hyppolit Centre the preferences dialog
03:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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03:13 ppant Good Morning
03:14 azawawi gm ppant
03:24 ppant <azawani> Can you share the design of code flow of padre .. I was trying to debug the code for open ticket
03:26 azawawi share?
03:27 azawawi which open ticket are you debugging?
03:28 azawawi try perl dev.pl -d
03:29 Alias s/share/explain/ ?
03:30 azawawi Alias: hi
03:30 Alias heya
03:30 azawawi im off to sleep soon (woke up early :)
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03:32 mib_fb2dek http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/703
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03:35 ppant I was working on http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/703
03:36 ppant <alias> has suggested me to start with that
03:43 Alias In the dialog class, you should be able to find the place it emits the message
03:43 Alias I'd start there
03:43 Alias Search for the error message string
03:55 ppant yes.. I do
04:35 code4pay Alias: did you get a chance to look at my screenshot of what I proposed for  "Find All" ?
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04:56 Hyppolit svn: r9089 | gabrielmad++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9089
04:56 Hyppolit Improved the functions panel listing.
04:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
05:03 Hyppolit svn: r9090 | gabrielmad++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9090
05:03 Hyppolit Added tests for the Perl functions listing
05:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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05:24 Alias code4pay, looks fine to me
05:25 code4pay Alias: OK great,  I'll organize a patch
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06:47 Sewi Good morning
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07:03 code4pay Sewi: gm
07:07 code4pay I have a situation where I pass an editor object to a new object that creates a list.  so the user can double click on an item in that list and it will open the corresponding editor
07:08 code4pay however I need to be able to detect if they have closed that editor so it doesn;t try to fetch a non existant editor
07:08 code4pay in summary is there a way to find out if a particular editor is open still?
07:16 Sewi Never tried, but ref($editor) may give what you want. It returns undef if the referenced object has been destroyed.
07:17 code4pay ok thanks I'll try it
07:22 code4pay hmm unfortunately the Editor object perstists after the editor has been closed.   I dumped the contents of the editor to check
07:25 code4pay which is probably becuase I  have a reference to it.   I'll investigate some other options
07:26 Sewi Try checking the document
07:26 Sewi Should be $editor->document
07:26 code4pay ok
07:27 Sewi Could be that your ref makes the editor stay.
07:27 Sewi You could also use $document->file->filename which should be unique but no Perl-known reference
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10:52 manni Hi folks.
10:52 manni I just took at look at the latest release and found this: http://fitzefatzeklaus.de/padre_about_info.png
10:53 Sewi Hi manni
10:53 Sewi Cool Perl version :-)
10:53 manni indeed.
10:53 Sewi Which OS do you use?
10:53 manni I'm on ubuntu 9.04
10:54 Sewi me too and I don't see this problem.
10:54 manni perl -V says " perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8)"
10:54 manni (that's obviously not the system perl)
10:55 Sewi I see. :-)
10:56 Sewi Would you try this, please? perl -le 'print $^V;'
10:57 manni I get an empty line
10:58 Sewi thanks
10:59 manni is that helpful?
10:59 Sewi Sure.
10:59 Sewi May I ask you to try something else? perl -le 'print $];'
10:59 manni anything you want
10:59 manni 5.008008
11:00 Sewi thanks
11:01 Hyppolit svn: r9091 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9091
11:01 Hyppolit Fixed a Perl version number problem in the About dialog using 5.8 (or earlier, didn't test on 5.9)
11:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:02 Sewi I'm sorry but you need to use the svn trunk or wait for the next release to get this critical bug fixed :-)
11:03 Sewi Thanks for reporting.
11:03 manni my pleasure
11:04 Sewi Anything else not working or you don't like or you'd like to have in the next release?
11:09 manni configurable keyboard shortcuts?
11:09 manni just kidding.
11:10 Sewi I'm working on this atm.
11:10 manni I'll have to do a little more than just look at the about dialog to find out.
11:10 Sewi The Toolbar is configurable and the main Menu bar.
11:10 manni ok
11:10 manni but they require mouse usage ;-)
11:11 Sewi For everything (bugs|feature requests|ideas), please sign up to trac.
11:11 Sewi Why should they?
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11:11 manni well, obviously not the menu. or can you use the toolbar with the kbd?
11:13 Sewi The idea is to split toolbar, menu and shortcuts to be indepent
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14:21 Hyppolit #732: Weird padre Close bug on 0.49 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/732 ]
14:23 kthakore Sewi: there new ticket for you guys
14:23 Sewi kthakore: I saw it :-)
14:24 kthakore Sewi: I can't fix this now ... but I really need Padre to not kill itself :)
14:26 kthakore Sewi: that ticket has wrong script let me update it
14:27 kthakore Sewi: ok .... I am insane I am closing the ticket ... its not reproducible :9
14:27 kthakore Sewi: sorry
14:28 Hyppolit #732: Weird padre Close bug on 0.49 (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/732#comment:1 ]
14:34 Sewi np :-)
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16:19 kthakore hi
16:19 kthakore so do you guys use Wx threading?
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17:28 szabgab Sewi, ping
17:28 szabgab you saw a case yesterday that padre crashes when accessing the menu after opening a file, now I can reproduce it
17:29 Hyppolit svn: r9092 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9092
17:29 Hyppolit add documentation for Regex Editor
17:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
17:34 Sewi szabgab: pong
17:34 Hyppolit #733: Padre crashes on first menu access (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/733 ]
17:35 szabgab see the ticket I just opened, is that what you also saw yesterday ?
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17:49 Sewi szabgab: Try a Right-Click in the editor area before clicking on the menu, please. It shouldn't crash this way.
17:49 Sewi But it sounds like it's the same.
17:51 szabgab correct, it does not crash that case
17:51 Sewi Ok.
17:52 Hyppolit #733: Padre crashes on first menu access (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/733#comment:1 ]
18:23 szabgab Padre group on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/e/vgh/2460957/
18:23 szabgab you are welcome to join!
18:29 kthakore szabgab: ppl actually use that site?
18:29 kthakore szabgab: I find that funny
18:29 szabgab do you mean linkedin?
18:30 kthakore ya
18:30 szabgab sure,
18:30 * kentnl finds it functionally pointless once you get your data in it
18:30 szabgab looking for job, clients
18:31 szabgab or work
18:31 * kentnl doesn't see how it helps with that
18:31 kthakore kentnl++ <-- sorry szabgab this is what I mean
18:31 kthakore I don't see how beign on linkedin helps with that
18:31 kthakore even though so many claim it
18:32 szabgab you find an ad in the local paper of a company you want to work for, you go to linkedin and search for contacts in that company
18:32 kthakore szabgab: see my employers look more like this
18:32 kthakore Google :Gabor
18:32 kthakore Found (oh look a Blog or Facebook pag)
18:32 kthakore hmmmm ,.... nothing retarded
18:33 kthakore maybe we will hire
18:33 kthakore then lets read
18:33 kthakore ... oh open source project blog
18:33 kthakore commitement to QA
18:33 kthakore hiring ness increase
18:33 szabgab oh I have tons of thing on the internet but many people don't
18:34 kthakore szabgab: see they want to do the hard work to find you so it looks like the HR did work
18:34 * kentnl sees linkedin more like a socialynetwork game, its lots of fun, and you can do things with people that make magical numbers go up, but at the end of the day, does it mean anything?
18:34 kthakore kentnl: nope
18:34 szabgab the numbers?
18:34 szabgab nothing
18:35 kentnl its like mafiawars, and any other of those games.
18:35 kthakore kentnl++ I hate that nad the new farm game too
18:35 szabgab but if I can find out that a friend of mine from years ago works as a manager in a company I want to work for...
18:35 * kentnl might brew up some css to make linkedin look more like mafiawars for the lols
18:36 szabgab but you know I am not their marketing droid
18:36 szabgab not _their_ ...
18:36 kentnl mafiawars is stupid, but its somehow addictive at the same time. its frustrating. its like heroin, you want to quit, and its embarrasing, and it sucks, but you can't
18:36 kentnl the farm games are more like snorting nutmeg.
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18:37 kentnl everyone laughs at you, and the amount of crap you have to do to get nowhere, its not even fun, its really mindnumbing.
18:38 kthakore szabgab: its ok ... we just hate social networking sites sorry :)
18:38 kthakore szabgab: we like you though
18:38 kthakore szabgab++
18:39 kthakore szabgab: there I joined the padre group
18:39 kthakore :)
18:39 kthakore only for you :0
18:39 kentnl I get a couple of month window with some where I like it, but eventually their developers that are being beaten by marketing and SEO morons add the 50th killer feature this week and the 75th UI change and I just go "right, enough, BAI"
18:40 kentnl ( anybody noticed github is going the way of UI-change-a-week? )
18:41 kthakore kentnl: yup
18:41 * kentnl is thankful for anatomy
18:41 kentnl when I go to take a piss I'm not wondering where my organs are today
18:47 kthakore kentnl: unless you get run over by a truck
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21:18 Hyppolit svn: r9093 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9093
21:18 Hyppolit Maybe a fix for #732
21:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
21:19 Sewi ping szabgab
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21:37 Hyppolit svn: r9094 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9094
21:37 Hyppolit Add a TODO
21:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
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22:09 Hyppolit svn: r9095 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9095
22:09 Hyppolit Added File::Temp as a overall-dependency because
22:09 Hyppolit a) it is used by some Padre (core) modules
22:09 Hyppolit b) it has 100% pass test results and only few failures downstream of Test::More
22:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
22:14 Sewi #732
22:14 Hyppolit #732: Weird padre Close bug on 0.49 (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/732#comment:1 ]
22:14 Sewi #733
22:14 Hyppolit #733: Padre crashes on first menu access (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/733#comment:1 ]
22:15 Getty Sewi: i do my first tests btw now
22:15 Getty Sewi: just to INFORM you ;)
22:15 Sewi :-)
22:15 Hyppolit #733: Padre crashes on first menu access (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/733#comment:2 ]
22:15 Sewi Getty: From Starwars 4 (the first movie), Obi Wan to Han Solo: "Du hast den ersten Schritt in eine gr��ere Welt getan." :-)
22:16 Getty and that from a dude who gives me the german sentence.. wonderful
22:16 Getty dude.... you cant quote from the german version, thats ridicioulus
22:16 Sewi Never saw the English one.
22:17 Getty DUDE....
22:17 Getty shame on you
22:17 * Sewi likes translated movies|series more than "original"
22:17 Getty it depends
22:17 Getty some series are definitly not acceptable translated
22:17 Getty Family Guy and American Dad for example... i cant imagine watching it original
22:17 Getty aehm
22:17 Getty other around, watching it translated
22:17 Getty Simpsons are suckig in original, i prefer the german voices
22:17 Getty hups
22:18 Getty szagbab: reminds me.. profanity check
22:18 Getty szagbab: we should startup the Moses Hyppolit once, see if it works
22:18 Getty szagbab: but make 3-4 backups before lol ;)
22:26 Getty Sewi: btw, i use Test::More right now, and i dont like some small details (display details, giving number of tests before)
22:26 Getty Sewi: something "more cool, more sugar"?
22:26 Sewi sure but the price is  more complexity
22:26 Getty Sewi: more complexity isnt more sugar
22:27 Sewi http://search.cpan.org/searc​h?query=Test::&amp;mode=all
22:28 Getty Sewi: yeah that would be next step after asking for experience :-P but if you have none :-P hehe :)
22:28 Getty Sewi: but so far its really nice, running very smoothly to develop that way
22:28 Sewi I was happy with Test::More
22:29 Getty yeah yeah, you are happy with german star wars.. what i ask ;)
22:33 Getty Sewi: how i test for an error?
22:33 Getty Sewi: reading Test::More & Test::Simple doesnt showed it really, probably i just dont see it, dont know
22:35 Hyppolit svn: r9096 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9096
22:35 Hyppolit First try of FTP-remote-editing for Padre
22:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
22:35 Getty :D
22:35 Getty ;)
22:35 Hyppolit svn: r9097 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9097
22:35 Hyppolit Make Padre accept FTP URLs
22:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
22:36 Sewi Getty: What kind of error?
22:37 Getty Sewi: a fail of Moose attribute check, so its a regular.. aehm... dont know exactly
22:37 Sewi What happens if it fails?
22:38 Getty this error message, i messaged you, regulary outside the tests it also shows traceback
22:39 Sewi ok(&failing_call =~ /error_text/,'Test error case');
22:39 Getty ah ok...
22:39 Sewi Look at the t/75 beginner error checks, there are good samples for passing and failing tests
22:41 Getty mh, your doesnt work really... i check on the tests, which t/75? TEst::More?
22:41 Sewi Padre
22:42 Getty ok
22:42 kthakore hi Getty
22:42 Sewi Hi kthakore
22:42 Hyppolit svn: r9098 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9098
22:42 Hyppolit Adding FTP write was easier then expected...
22:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
22:43 kthakore food
22:43 kthakore ttyl
22:43 Getty Sewi: ah i see, so i should "take" the error and give back the error string and then test for that.. ok get it
22:44 Sewi Getty: Each test (ok) tests for one case. Either it forces an error and everything is file if this error is seen or a function should work and then there shouldn't be an error.
22:45 Sewi You could also do things like... ok($moose->function,'Run function'); ok(!defined($moose->error),'Check for error');
22:46 Hyppolit svn: r9099 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9099
22:46 Hyppolit Removed a debug message and added some TODOs
22:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
22:47 Sewi Cool, adding FTP support was much easier than expected.
22:49 Hyppolit svn: r9100 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9100
22:49 Hyppolit Perl tidy
22:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/t/
22:51 Hyppolit svn: r9101 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9101
22:51 Hyppolit 100 mixes up the test numbering
22:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
22:52 Sewi Next should be Padre::File::SSH but this is much harder...
22:56 Hyppolit svn: r9102 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9102
22:56 Hyppolit Updated Changes
22:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
23:27 Sewi good night
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