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IRC log for #padre, 2009-11-08

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01:49 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.49, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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02:25 Hyppolit #737: File::HomeDIr->my_documents can be empty list (reopened defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/737#comment:4.7 ]
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06:37 szabgab good morning
06:37 szabgab I am planning to cut a release now
06:38 szabgab sunday morning in GMT, everyone is asleep :-)
06:39 szabgab hmm, some tests are failing
06:41 kent\n sunday afternoon NZDT, almost time to go to bed ( for some )
06:47 Hyppolit svn: r9127 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9127
06:47 Hyppolit add find method declaration mouse right click
06:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
07:02 Hyppolit svn: r9128 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9128
07:02 Hyppolit fix number of configs in tests
07:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
07:09 Hyppolit svn: r9129 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9129
07:09 Hyppolit fix some bad code
07:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/t/
07:13 Hyppolit svn: r9130 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9130
07:13 Hyppolit we require the pragmas to be in a certain order.
07:13 Hyppolit I wish we would be so strict in some other parts of our code, e.g. making sure we always have a clean test run before we commit stuff
07:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Preferences/
07:15 szabgab Sewi, ping
07:19 Hyppolit svn: r9131 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9131
07:19 Hyppolit skip beginner tests
07:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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07:49 Hyppolit svn: r9132 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9132
07:49 Hyppolit fix the find method sub
07:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
07:53 Hyppolit svn: r9133 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9133
07:53 Hyppolit tidy
07:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/t/
07:55 Hyppolit svn: r9134 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9134
07:55 Hyppolit set version to 0.50, preparing for release
07:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DocBrowser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/HelpProvider/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Project/ trunk/
08:01 Hyppolit svn: r9135 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9135
08:01 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.50
08:01 Hyppolit tags/
08:07 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.450, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
08:07 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.50, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
08:09 szabgab pip http://perlide.org/downloa​d/source/Padre-0.50.tar.gz
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09:09 Hyppolit svn: r9136 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9136
09:09 Hyppolit more swarm chat features
09:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Wx/Swarm/
09:10 Sewi hi everyone
09:11 Sewi szabgab pong; # Sorry for the failing tests :-(
09:24 Sewi Padre 0.50 passes all tests
09:24 Sewi (Ubuntu)
09:41 kthakore hi
09:41 kthakore new release?
09:41 kthakore Sewi wow u are op now. congrats!
10:03 Sewi thx :-)
10:07 szabgab Sewi, no proble, I set those beginner tests to be skipped for now
10:07 szabgab but we should fix them if possible
10:08 szabgab maybe with further monkey-patching
10:11 Sewi :-)
10:35 kthakore szabgab: morning
10:35 szabgab yes, you too
10:35 kthakore szabgab: o0 exam in 6 hrs o0
10:36 kthakore szabgab: may I ask you question about smolder?
10:36 szabgab sure, but maybe better to ask it on #perl-qa
10:37 szabgab but go ahead
10:37 kthakore oh ok
10:37 kthakore szabgab: I run smolder like this
10:37 kthakore smolder -h sdlperl.ath.cx -p 8080 --daemon
10:38 kthakore szabgab: but when I close my window (ssh) smolder hangs
10:38 kthakore szabgab: http://sdlperl.ath.cx:8080 is here
10:38 kthakore szabgab: what am I doing wrong?
10:38 szabgab did it go to the background when you ran with --daemon ?
10:38 kthakore yup
10:38 szabgab and have you tried puttin & at the end ?
10:39 kthakore yup
10:39 szabgab then no idea :-(
10:39 kthakore szabgab: ok
10:39 kthakore szabgab: is there a debug mode or something
10:39 szabgab people on #perl-qa might be of more help
10:39 kthakore ok
10:39 szabgab I hardly know smolder
10:39 Sewi Try running it with "nohup" prefix
10:40 kthakore Sewi: nohup?
10:40 szabgab the same actually works for us so I have no idea
10:40 Sewi It may keep one of the default FDs open and nohup redirects them
10:40 kthakore Sewi: smolder --perfix nohup?
10:41 kthakore Sewi: where do I put that prefix?
10:41 kthakore nohubsmolder?
10:42 Sewi no :-) nohup smolder -h ...
10:42 kthakore ahh
10:42 kthakore I am stupid today
10:42 Sewi It's a linux system command which redirects STDIN, OUT and ERR and detaches them from the console (ssh-session, telnet-login, etc.)
10:43 kthakore Sewi: it seems to be working
10:43 kthakore but smolder needs a debug tell me where its hanging
10:43 kthakore the log output is total useless
10:43 kthakore :(
10:45 kthakore Sewi: szabgab: here http://sdlperl.ath.cx:8080​/app/public_graphs/start/1 :)
10:45 kthakore pretty graph for ya
10:45 kthakore almost to 1000 test cases passing on linux and windows
10:45 kthakore :)
10:46 szabgab nice
10:49 kthakore szabgab: if only I can get SDL bundling like wxperl
10:49 kthakore for mac
10:49 kthakore :( but I suck at that
10:51 kthakore szabgab: and there is no good tutorial for that so I am at a loss at how wxperl does it
10:51 kthakore szabgab: don't even know who to talk for that
10:55 kthakore szabgab: btw I noticed something for Padre on gnome
10:56 kthakore szabgab: my make test fails because I have these warnings
10:56 kthakore /usr/share/themes/CrunchBang/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:86: Murrine configuration option "highlight_ratio" will be deprecated in future releases. Please use "highlight_shade" instead.
10:56 kthakore this will make Padre fail on CPAN install for me
10:56 kthakore and others who have an old Murrine theme
10:58 szabgab could you open a ticket with this description pleasase?
10:58 kthakore pleasase?
10:58 szabgab I have no idea what is Murrine
10:58 kthakore :)
10:58 kthakore Murrine is theme type
10:58 kthakore Murrine for gnome
10:58 kthakore this is not Padre's fault or Wx fault
10:58 szabgab I know that, so tag it as external dependency
10:58 szabgab at least we have it on file
10:58 kthakore trac?
10:58 kthakore Hyppolit: trac is http://padre.perlide.org/trac
10:58 Hyppolit trac was unknown
10:58 Hyppolit trac is now http://padre.perlide.org/trac
10:58 kthakore trac?
10:58 Hyppolit trac is http://padre.perlide.org/trac
10:59 kthakore Hyppolit: karma szabgab
10:59 kthakore szabgab: Sewi how to do karma on Hyppolit ?
10:59 kthakore Hyppolit: karma of szabgab
10:59 kthakore ??
11:00 szabgab karma kthakore
11:00 Hyppolit Karma of kthakore is 3
11:01 szabgab karma notebook
11:01 Hyppolit Karma of notebook is 0
11:01 szabgab karma notepad
11:01 Hyppolit Karma of notepad is 20
11:01 szabgab apparently I am tired
11:02 Hyppolit #739: Old Gnome themes will cause Padre tests  to fail (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/739 ]
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11:13 kthakore Sewi: hyppolit on SVN dies
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11:13 kthakore test_hyypo: you is teh suck
11:13 kthakore Sewi: there
11:13 kthakore Sewi: Can't call method "stringify" on an undefined value at /home/kthakore/Development/Personal​/Hyppolit/script/../lib/Hyppolit.pm line 372.
11:13 kthakore hi tsee
11:13 tsee hi
11:14 kthakore tsee: here http://sdlperl.ath.cx:8080​/app/public_graphs/start/1
11:14 kthakore tsee: pretty graph for you
11:15 kthakore tsee: almost 1000 tests working on windows and linux
11:15 kthakore tsee: but we can get mac working as out perl Build bundle sucks
11:15 kthakore :) then :(
11:23 Sewi kthakore: Report to Getty, please.
11:24 kthakore lol
11:24 kthakore Getty: Hyppolit on SVN is broken
11:24 kthakore Getty: Can't call method "stringify" on an undefined value at /home/kthakore/Development/Personal​/Hyppolit/script/../lib/Hyppolit.pm line 372.
11:32 Sewi szabgab: Did you already blog about Padre release?
11:36 szabgab yes, why ?
11:37 szabgab something is broken?
11:38 Hyppolit svn: r9137 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9137
11:38 Hyppolit blog about v0.50
11:38 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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11:59 Sewi szabgab: I was waiting for r9137
11:59 Hyppolit Changeset #9137 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9137
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15:49 kaib I'm trying to install Padre on OSX, but i can't get Wx to work. when i run make test, several test hang and in the background there is an Wx Errormessage dialog stating "Failed to create the clipboard"
15:49 kaib any idea, where to look?
16:09 Getty ask the question on #wxperl probably you get an faster answer there, wxperl is not actually that kind of lib which works anywhere easy going ;)
16:09 Getty (installation via cpan fails on most distribution, you need to install distribution packages for examples)
16:12 Getty btw: http://wxperl.sourceforge.net/download.html
16:12 Getty there are macosx packags, tried those?
16:12 kaib no, i tried cpan
16:13 Getty yeah, i never saw a wxperl installation via cpan working ;)
16:13 kaib ;-)
16:13 Getty or actually just, if you have wxwidgets already installed sane
16:13 Getty then try the packages and report please
16:13 Getty i think it will get a common question
16:14 kaib i installed the Alien:wxWidgets cpan module, and that worked flawlessly
16:14 Getty but that is AFAIR just one part of all
16:15 kaib the modules on wxperl.sf.net are are for 10.3 and 10.4, but i'm on 10.5 so that will probably not work
16:15 Getty yeah MacOSX versions are s**king, but you can give it a shot
16:16 Getty but hey you are definitly not alone, the wxwidget part of padre is always the first glitch ;)
16:16 kaib i don't think so... they are 2.6.x and Padre want's at leas 2.8.something
16:16 Getty (and only one)
16:16 Getty oh even more evil
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16:18 kaib yeah. And the version of wx that comes with OSX is also too old.  wxPerl -MWx -e 'print $Wx::VERSION'  ==> 0.74
16:18 Getty serious trouble
16:19 kaib funny: if i single-step through that test, the errormessage doesn't show up...
16:19 szabgab Getty, kaib thos packages on  http://wxperl.sourceforge.net/download.html are ages old
16:20 szabgab I should remove that page now
16:20 Getty what is the solution for him then?
16:20 szabgab kaib, there are instructions on our wiki page
16:20 szabgab http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download
16:21 szabgab for Mac
16:21 szabgab let me check those now
16:21 kaib szabgab: i followed them roughly
16:21 szabgab I think there are two sets and one of them is incorrect - or so I was told
16:21 shafiev hello.i cannot run the debugger plugin . when i statring it - (padre:9111): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_menu_attach_to_widget(): menu already attached to GtkMenuItem
16:21 shafiev Can't locate object method "perl_interpreter" via package "Padre" at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.​0/Padre/Plugin/Debugger.pm line 102.
16:21 shafiev Perl exited with active threads:
16:21 shafiev 2 running and unjoined
16:21 shafiev 0 finished and unjoined
16:21 shafiev 0 running and detached
16:21 shafiev . perl is  perl -v
16:21 shafiev This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
16:22 szabgab shafiev, pls don't copy paste here long stuff!
16:22 szabgab use pastebin for that
16:23 shafiev ok . one minute
16:23 szabgab shafiev, I guess the problem is that the plugin API changed and the debugger plugin was not updated
16:23 Getty wow mac user really have problems with that stuff :)
16:23 kaib szabgab: i installed a separate perl 5.10.1 somewhere under my $HOME
16:23 Getty feels like there should be a standalone dmg having padre
16:24 szabgab kaib, I think the "lazy way" just does not work
16:24 kaib Getty: that would be great, especially for Perl-newcomers
16:25 szabgab though I am not sure now what is the difference
16:25 szabgab kaib, Getty that is the future
16:25 szabgab we have it for Windows
16:25 shafiev the my problem url - http://pastebay.com/68419
16:26 szabgab shafiev, thanks but I think I already replied to you, I don't think I know more than that now
16:27 shafiev ok . i think i must contact with the module author for more details
16:27 kaib szabgab: with that new perl 5.10.1 i installed Alien::wxWidgets via cpan, and after that the whole rest of the Padre dependency chain... only Wx is missing now...
16:29 kaib funny enough: the tests are passing, but the test scripts don't terminate because of that Wx errormessage dialog in the backgound...
16:32 kaib btw: there's a broken link on http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Howto, an 'r' too much in http://padre.perlider.org/download.html
16:32 szabgab so you say Alien::wxWidgets compiled?
16:32 kaib yepp
16:32 kaib Wx compiled too, but the tests are "hanging"
16:33 szabgab kaib, typo fixed, thanks
16:33 szabgab so let's not worry about them :-)
16:33 szabgab try to run padre then
16:33 szabgab you could also try
16:33 kaib okay, i'll force install Wx then...
16:33 szabgab wxPerl -MWx -e'printf(qq(Wx Version=($Wx::VERSION) %s unicode=(%s)\n), Wx::wxVERSION_STRING(), Wx::wxUNICODE())'
16:34 szabgab with your perl obviously
16:35 kaib hmm... wxPerl seems to be the 'original' from OSX
16:36 kaib should there be a separate wxPerl when i install Alien::wxWidgets?
16:39 szabgab kaib, I don't think so
16:40 szabgab run your perl
16:40 szabgab and the -MWx... stuff
16:42 kaib i added  -Mblib in the Wx directory, and then i get "On Mac OS X please run scripts with the 'wxPerl' interpreter" and "Wx Version=(0.91) wxWidgets 2.8.10 unicode=(1)"
16:44 szabgab kaib, what did you run to get that error?
16:45 kaib the error comes up during the 'make test' phase while installing Wx
16:47 szabgab maybe you need to firs remove the original perl from your PATH
16:47 szabgab and put your own perl in the PATH
16:50 Getty szabgab: what about new bot version? lets test it :)
16:50 kaib well... my own perl is the first in the PATH but there's no wxPerl so that from OSX get's used...
16:50 szabgab Getty,  have you fixed the error kthakore reported ?
16:51 Getty szabgab: which error? i mean at first its about if the new structure works out sane, then we can fix further bugs
16:51 szabgab kaib, then just make install
16:51 szabgab and hope for the best
16:51 szabgab the bot is crashing
16:51 szabgab I would not like to replace the working one with a broken one
16:52 szabgab I mean you can run it and test it yourself right ?
16:52 Getty its crashing? when?
16:52 szabgab see backlog
16:52 Getty i did, and it worked fine
16:52 Getty thats why i wanted your test, it must be one of the features i wasnt able to test (like your SVN tail)
16:52 szabgab you could test that as well,
16:53 szabgab I did it by just echo >> ing lines to the file
16:53 Getty i would need some textfile of what your program produces for the bot then i can test it fully
16:53 Getty btw: i dont have it in my backlog, i'm just on here since 2 hours in the bouncer
16:56 szabgab http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today
16:56 kaib szabgab: 'make test' for Padre shows the same symptoms and starting padre ends in a loop of messages "spawning 'wxPerl' interpreter for OS X"
16:56 szabgab lovely
16:57 Getty thx szabgab, i will test it now and see
16:57 szabgab kaib, grep the padre source for wxPerl , maybe you can replace that string
16:57 szabgab brb
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16:58 Getty szabgab: his bug is just a missing plugin it seems
16:59 Getty or bad usage, the code which "brakes" is correct (its actually old hyppolit code even), no idea what he has done
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17:00 szabgab off to dinner now, I'll be back a bit later
17:00 szabgab the svn file has only
17:00 szabgab SVN 1234
17:00 Getty ah ok thats enough for me
17:00 Getty thanks
17:00 szabgab where 1234 is the revision just committed
17:00 szabgab and it has many such lines
17:00 Getty but as i said, lets test it next, i think it was just bad usage of kthakore
17:01 szabgab after dinner
17:01 Getty or a missing module
17:01 Getty yes no problem
17:01 kaib szabgab: before that, i'll try something different. I moved the OSX version of wxPerl away and try to install Wx again
17:04 Getty kthakore: would be very interesting to know what the hell you did :)
17:05 Getty szabgab: yeah its 100% missing plugin, POE::Component::IRC::Plugin::FollowTail isnt in the requirements
17:25 Getty interesting problem
17:26 Getty my $author = qx{$self->svnlook author $self->repo -r $id};
17:26 Getty thats old Hyppolit code, strangly that code now have this effect:
17:26 Getty `Hyppolit=HASH(0x95be4b0)->svnlook author Hyppolit=HASH(0x95be4b0)->repo -r 1234' that is what he wants to execute
17:30 Getty ah! got it
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17:33 Hyppolit svn: r9138 | getty++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9138
17:33 Hyppolit Added Hyppolit requirements
17:33 Hyppolit Fixed a bug about svn look up
17:33 Hyppolit trunk/Hyppolit/ trunk/Hyppolit/lib/
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18:28 kaib got it
18:31 kaib szabgab: there are few additional hints for Mac Users
18:31 kaib first: After the installation of Alien::wxWidgets, one has to put another directory in the PATH
18:31 szabgab I am only here for a few minutes
18:32 szabgab but kaib maybe register on our trac and update the wiki yourself?
18:32 kaib is it open to registration?
18:32 kaib then i'll do it
18:32 * szabgab opening wiki
18:33 szabgab http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
18:34 szabgab and then maybe, just maybe, we can ask you to build such a perl with padre in /opt/padre  and then zip it and upload somewhere
18:36 kaib okay... but this might take a few days, i spend 6 hrs today to put it under $HOME ...
18:41 szabgab it will be really fast to put it under /opt now that you know how to do it :-)
18:41 szabgab and that would help you write down the actions step by step which would be just awesome !
18:41 kaib it'll be faster indeed, but installing all that stuff from CPAN again will take some minutes too ;-)
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18:42 kaib maybee till wednesday
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18:42 kaib seems like i have no wiki-editing permissions?
18:43 kaib oh, my fault, i've overlooked the edit-button
18:46 szabgab np
18:46 szabgab SGU-0107 &
18:52 Getty kaib: or try directly how to make dmg's with perl hrhr ;)
18:55 kaib Getty: well... it is possible to do so. The game "Frozen Bubble", which is written in Perl, also runs on the Mac, and they somehow managed to put all their stuff and SDL and so on into the .app bundle
18:57 Getty kaib: :D
18:57 Getty kaib: then catch them, and ask them
18:58 Getty kaib: i can borrow you a whip if you get any problems
18:59 kaib ;-)
18:59 kaib afaik they used a Perl <= 5.8.6 and had major problems with relocation
19:01 kaib this should be easier to solve with 5.10
19:01 kaib maybe next weekend ;-)
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19:36 Sewi Hi cognominal
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20:27 Getty kaib: i keep an eye on you ;)
20:37 Sewi Getty: Did you see the Hyppolit report earlier?
20:39 Getty Sewi: yeah, was definitly just wrong usage or missing module
20:39 Getty Sewi: Hyppolit is not 100% made for "just being started", but i added some required modules
20:39 Sewi How could it be a missing module, didn't you update Makefile.PL?
20:39 Getty actually it was never in there before
20:39 Sewi :-)
20:39 Getty i added my requirements but forgot about the old ones that probably misses
20:40 Getty i mean its anyway just made for being run at szabgab, so.... ;)
20:52 Sewi Getty: Do you have a Blog? Did you ever blog about Padre?
20:53 Getty lol why? i dont have a blog, no
20:54 Getty i would just make a hate-post every day for something ;)
20:58 Hyppolit svn: r9139 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9139
20:58 Hyppolit Updated Changes
20:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PHP/
20:59 Hyppolit svn: r9140 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9140
20:59 Hyppolit PHP Plugin ready for release 0.03
20:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PHP/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-PHP/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
21:00 Getty lol
21:01 Getty i will test that plugin tomorrow ;) hehe
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21:08 Sewi Getty: Should also be on CPAN then...
21:10 Getty if it gives some point of sense ;)
21:10 Getty i mean... its for php...
21:11 Getty it should actually get locked up in some case and burrowed somewhere
21:15 Hyppolit #191: could not find encoding on OS X 10.5, fails tests (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/191#comment:8 ]
21:20 Sewi Getty: I'ld like to have a one-shot MSI installer package for Padre + PHP + Padre::Plugin::PHP
21:20 Getty LLLOOOOLLLL
21:20 Getty no you dont want that
21:20 Getty <jedimove>
21:21 Sewi The only reason I'm working on the mod is getting users on Padre, nothing else.
21:21 Getty Sewi: cause then you can add MySQL and Apache to it instantly
21:21 Getty elsewhere the package would be pointless
21:21 Sewi Getty: We have FTP-editing now :-)
21:21 Getty so its much more logical to let the WAMP people install their WAMP and then let them add Padre as IDE
21:21 Getty yeah but then you dont need PHP, eh? ;)
21:22 Getty Padre + Padre::Plugin:PHP is fine
21:23 Sewi I'm gone
21:42 kaib goodnight
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