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waxhead |
Alias, interesting post about geo2gov work you've done |
| 03:35 |
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Alias |
It's been an interesting period of hacking |
| 03:35 |
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Alias |
I've learned quite a bit about a number of new areas |
| 03:36 |
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Alias |
And I got to revisit what it's like to be a newbie :) |
| 03:36 |
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Alias |
It's not as hard as it used to be |
| 03:37 |
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Alias |
I've noticed that as a renewbie, you may not know much about the area itself, but you already know all the major pitfalls and problems at the higher levels |
| 03:37 |
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waxhead |
being a newbie or the agrogation of the data? |
| 03:37 |
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Alias |
So as you gradually get better, you notice that all the supposed experts are mostly crap |
| 03:37 |
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Alias |
Being a newbie is easier the nth time around |
| 03:37 |
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waxhead |
ha.. I see |
| 03:37 |
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waxhead |
yes, I guess so |
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user_6207 |
Good evening, all. |
| 03:37 |
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user_6207 |
I have information to add to #744: "Padre fails on WinXP 64". Since Trac registration is closed, what do I do with it? |
| 03:37 |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/744 ] |
| 03:37 |
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Alias |
So I'm looking at people building systems that won't scale |
| 03:38 |
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Alias |
I see people building things that can't be integrated into anything larger, so will just die |
| 03:38 |
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waxhead |
user_6207, can you use the pastebin and I'll put it into the ticket for you |
| 03:38 |
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Alias |
I see people building things that are alternatives to far better official government versions of things, who'll probably be squashed as soon as the government project notices they exist |
| 03:39 |
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Alias |
I see people choosing technologies that are so rarified nobody else will be able to use them |
| 03:39 |
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Alias |
etc etc |
| 03:39 |
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waxhead |
user_6207, use this link: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/ |
| 03:39 |
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waxhead |
where are you getting the list of sites for this? |
| 03:40 |
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waxhead |
I'm interested in using some of the data for internal stuff at work, mostly informational things like the electoral stuff. |
| 03:40 |
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Alias |
I'm also simultaneously exploring the narcisistic world of twitter :) |
| 03:40 |
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Alias |
list of sites for which? |
| 03:40 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 03:40 |
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Alias |
You're in AU? |
| 03:40 |
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waxhead |
Alias, yep.. Canberra |
| 03:40 |
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waxhead |
these sites you're talking about |
| 03:40 |
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waxhead |
twitter??? |
| 03:41 |
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waxhead |
Alias, if you ever find yourself venturing this way let me know... |
| 03:41 |
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user_6207 |
waxhead: OK, thanks. I'll write it up and come back, probably tomorrow. |
| 03:42 |
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Alias |
waxhead: I was down there weekend before last for GovHack at ANU |
| 03:42 |
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waxhead |
user_6207, I won't be online tomorrow.. only home because I'm crook... |
| 03:42 |
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waxhead |
dodgy food causing the runs |
| 03:44 |
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waxhead |
150 developers came in for it? |
| 03:45 |
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user_6207 |
waxhead: If I show up when you're not around, will someone else be able to work with it? |
| 03:45 |
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Alias |
waxhead: Yup |
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Alias |
waxhead: Where is work? |
| 03:46 |
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waxhead |
http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/11/05/govhack/ |
| 03:46 |
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waxhead |
Alias, where do I work? |
| 03:47 |
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waxhead |
user_6207, maybe... there are logs for irc, I'll check there tomorrow night |
| 03:47 |
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waxhead |
user_6207, usually there is someone around that will take it... |
| 03:49 |
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waxhead |
Alias, Defence at the moment.. been there a while. Do a lot of database and ldap and directory stuff ( true x500 directory ) do a lot of data work with pulling stuff in form the corporate data systems ( hr etc ) |
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waxhead |
I read your blog and thought it would be interesting to pull the data in, maybe create some sort of objectClass around the informatoin and them import it into the directory ( no GEO stuff though ) mostly looking at a 'simple' postcode to electorate type thing. |
| 03:51 |
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waxhead |
Alias, of course that's the newbie view on things.. reading that link above shows that the raw data isn't going to do that... so of course interested in your approach to it |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
The problem is that postcode vs suburb vs lga vs electorate are all overlapping |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
You can't do clean mapping from one to the other |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
Hence our approach |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
We load all the different layers into one giant overlapping layer |
| 03:58 |
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waxhead |
Alias, hence the ignorant newbie approach... |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
Then we use either raw point, ip2geo or geocoder to resolve a request to a point |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
Then drill that point through the layer stack |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
And resolve the resulting shapes to various concepts |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
Trouble is that government is scared of using anything more detailed than postcode |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
I do resolve postcodes though |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
But you get the answer for the Google'provided centroid of it |
| 03:59 |
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waxhead |
Alias, yep.. tried it out on your site |
| 04:00 |
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Alias |
I haven't integrated proper support for confidence boxes |
| 04:00 |
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waxhead |
so if that's doable then you could export the data to have the postcode as the key to the rest of the information |
| 04:00 |
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waxhead |
you just need to rebuild that dataset when it changes |
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Alias |
It's not |
| 04:00 |
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Alias |
There's still postcodes that span |
| 04:00 |
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Alias |
So you get wrong answers all the time |
| 04:01 |
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waxhead |
oh.. so there electoral division will "split" a postcode? |
| 04:01 |
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waxhead |
which I guess makes sence, as some suburbs will have the same postcode |
| 04:01 |
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Alias |
some divisions split postcodes, some postcodes split divisions |
| 04:02 |
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Alias |
Goes both ways |
| 04:03 |
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waxhead |
so what's the building blocks to get to where you did? |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
About 10 data sets |
| 04:03 |
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waxhead |
all of them on the data.gov.au site? |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
nope |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
Most are from the ABS actually |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
Or the NSW Electoral Commission |
| 04:03 |
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waxhead |
oh.. |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
Or the victorian one |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
or the aec |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
Plus some third party tallyroom.com.au stuff |
| 04:04 |
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waxhead |
right.. so you had to find the extra data then? |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
And a member dump from mymp.com.au |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
We mix and match |
| 04:04 |
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waxhead |
got it... |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
In some cases, we have boundaries that are better, but out of date |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
Or the official stuff is for the NEXT election only |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
etc etc |
| 04:04 |
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Alias |
I build an import system that sucks everything into staging schemas |
| 04:05 |
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waxhead |
yeah, working iwth data can be frustrating.. worse when you have to make assumptions about it's mean and intent |
| 04:05 |
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Alias |
Then a second compiler thing that sucks in the different parts to build a prod schema |
| 04:05 |
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Alias |
Well, geo2gov is mainly about keys |
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Alias |
I don't actually hold any real data |
| 04:05 |
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Alias |
Just primary keys and such into other systems |
| 04:05 |
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Alias |
It's meant to be a drop in search/address thing for multiple other sites |
| 04:05 |
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Alias |
So I store APH ids, OpenAustralia ids, etc |
| 04:06 |
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Alias |
And will gradually add more |
| 04:06 |
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Alias |
Don't store much more than a label name |
| 04:06 |
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Alias |
Although now I have the entire census... :) |
| 04:06 |
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waxhead |
really? |
| 04:06 |
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waxhead |
ok.. I have to run some errands.. I'll mull it over a bit |
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Alias |
Check very most recent post from an hour ago |
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Alias |
Census.sqlite :) |
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waxhead |
cool... will do when I return |
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Sewi |
Good morning |
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szabgab |
good morning |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9188 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9188 |
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Hyppolit |
blog about Padre in Japanese |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/inc/Local/Padre/Website/ |
| 07:21 |
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szabgab |
charsbar_, could you please check if I pasted the title of that article correctly to the about.html page ? |
| 07:24 |
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charsbar_ |
szabgab: looks correct :) |
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szabgab |
I love to see the mix of languages and letter on that page :-) |
| 07:25 |
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szabgab |
on the about.html page I mean |
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charsbar_ |
cool :) |
| 07:25 |
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szabgab |
and do you know who wrote that article? |
| 07:26 |
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charsbar_ |
nope, maybe a writer or an editor for the publisher |
| 07:27 |
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szabgab |
if I understand this is some Windows related journal ? |
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charsbar_ |
impress.co.jp is one of the japanese tech publishers, which previously published a mook on perl |
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szabgab |
mook, hmm that sounds like a book on moose :-) |
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charsbar_ |
news of various freewares, mainly for windows |
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charsbar_ |
magazine + book |
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charsbar_ |
well, not sure if it's good english or engrish, though |
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szabgab |
ah, and I thought it was a simple typo |
| 07:29 |
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szabgab |
is that magazine bundled with the book or how are they related ? |
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charsbar_ |
a mook is kind of a book, with isbn, but it looks more like a magazine, in respect of size, contents, etc |
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charsbar_ |
hm, apparently it looks like an engrish word :p |
| 07:34 |
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charsbar_ |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mook |
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charsbar_ |
not so engrish, but wikipedia has no english entry for that |
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charsbar_ |
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ムック_(出版) |
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charsbar_ |
there is a japanese entry |
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& |
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szabgab |
charsbar_, I am sure there are some stats somewhere of the number of words in wikipedia in language X that are not in English |
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szabgab |
or the number of words that are not in some other language |
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charsbar_ |
heh |
| 07:42 |
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szabgab |
err, meaning that they don't have he corresponding expression explained in wikipedia |
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charsbar_ |
nod |
| 07:44 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9189 | ishigaki++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9189 |
| 07:44 |
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Hyppolit |
added another Japanese article on Padre (actually the one I wrote a month ago and forgot to note) |
| 07:44 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ |
| 07:46 |
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szabgab |
oh thanks, for adding it |
| 07:46 |
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szabgab |
I recently setup a google alert that notifies me (sometimes) |
| 07:46 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9190 | ishigaki++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9190 |
| 07:46 |
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Hyppolit |
removed an unnecessary space |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ |
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charsbar_ |
cool |
| 07:50 |
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szabgab |
but if you see (or write) more articles please add them to the yml file |
| 07:57 |
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charsbar_ |
szabgab: sure :) |
| 08:00 |
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szabgab |
CSJewell, what does the stand alone Padre 0.50 contain ? |
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szabgab |
is it based on 5.10.1.0 ? |
| 08:01 |
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CSJewell |
Yes. |
| 08:02 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9191 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9191 |
| 08:02 |
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Hyppolit |
link to 0.50 padre stand-alone |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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szabgab |
I think the links to the .par files should be in the howto page |
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CSJewell |
That's why I gave them to you. :) |
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mib_1hg0wq |
Hello, i found a problem with syntax checking in padre 0.48. How can i create a ticket? |
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user_3655 |
Hello, is there anyone online?? regards Franz |
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code4pay |
Hello |
| 08:54 |
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code4pay |
mib_1hg0wq: have you tried to .50 to see if the problem is still there? |
| 08:56 |
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user_3655 |
Hello code4pay, i've tryed to install, but the installer say you have an newer version [info from padre 0.48] |
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code4pay |
on windows? |
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user_3655 |
Oh, sorry, yes on windows xp |
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code4pay |
OK not really that uptodate with padre on windows. Did you use the strawberry perl install? |
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user_3655 |
1st i installed the 0.45 installation kit for windows, after installation i used the upgrade function as decribed in the howto section (perl -CPAN....) |
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code4pay |
hmm ok , sorry I'm not sure then, back to the origional question, and I'm only newish here my self. but 1. Search Trac to see if it is already ben noted. |
| 09:06 |
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code4pay |
2. explain it here |
| 09:07 |
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code4pay |
then ithers will confirm it and then some one will raise a trac ticket for you. |
| 09:07 |
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user_3655 |
i already search the trac to see if the problem i found is already known, but it isn't |
| 09:07 |
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user_3655 |
so lets explain |
| 09:08 |
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user_3655 |
i found a problem in padre syntax checking |
| 09:09 |
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user_3655 |
add a line of code like this: my $ident = '[:_A-Za-z][:A-Za-z0-9\-\._]*'; # identifier |
| 09:10 |
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user_3655 |
what you get is a warning about an single = in an if-condition, please use == .... |
| 09:10 |
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user_3655 |
the problem is just the word 'identifier' after the comment sign |
| 09:11 |
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user_3655 |
if you change the word 'identifier' to 'identi fier', no warning will be shown |
| 09:11 |
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user_3655 |
thats it |
| 09:12 |
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code4pay |
hmm ok I am using the latest from svn I pasted you code into a new document no message |
| 09:13 |
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code4pay |
if I run check for common beginner errors it comes back no errors found |
| 09:13 |
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user_3655 |
did you run this script |
| 09:15 |
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code4pay |
yes I have just that 1 line in a new perl file. Ran using F5 no message. |
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code4pay |
Sewi: you there? |
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user_3655 |
yes |
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Alias |
evening all |
| 09:16 |
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user_3655 |
i also tried this, with just this line of code i also got no errors an no warning.... :s |
| 09:17 |
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code4pay |
user_3655: ok some surrounding code causing it? |
| 09:17 |
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Alias |
cure |
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Alias |
Someone's if'detector is RATHER sensitive |
| 09:18 |
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Alias |
Should probably be \bif\b wherever that code is |
| 09:18 |
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Alias |
user_3655: It's probably trying to avoid the cost of a PPI parsing |
| 09:18 |
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Alias |
By doing a less intelligent parser |
| 09:18 |
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user_3655 |
i try to add more lines for you |
| 09:19 |
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code4pay |
Alias: has there been any improvments to that code since .48? |
| 09:22 |
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Alias |
Possibly... |
| 09:22 |
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Alias |
Do an svn checkout and see |
| 09:23 |
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user_3655 |
how can i do this |
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Alias |
Can you see the developer instructions on the website? |
| 09:23 |
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Alias |
oh |
| 09:23 |
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Alias |
There's a new Padre Standalone |
| 09:24 |
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Alias |
As of like now |
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Alias |
http://padre.perlide.org/download.html |
| 09:24 |
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Alias |
For 0.50 |
| 09:24 |
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Alias |
You should be able to just upgrade directly, if you previously had 0.45 |
| 09:25 |
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user_3655 |
so i have to deinstall padre 0.48 because the installation kit wrote 'you have an newer version' |
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code4pay |
was that the entire message? |
| 09:29 |
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user_3655 |
Anewer version of Padre Standalone is already installed |
| 09:31 |
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Alias |
oh rly? |
| 09:31 |
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Alias |
Weird |
| 09:32 |
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Alias |
So the 0.50 installer things a CPAN-upgraded version of 0.45 is newer? |
| 09:32 |
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Alias |
That might be a packaging bug |
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user_3655 |
it seems so |
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user_3655 |
ok, i will check once more my code, if there is any other problem which can cause the syntax error checking, but.. |
| 09:35 |
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user_3655 |
what i have tried was the pice of code where the warning is produced. |
| 09:35 |
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user_3655 |
...and what happens... i got the warning |
| 09:42 |
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user_3655 |
look at this site: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7981 and serach for 'if-condition' |
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user_3655 |
thanks for you help, i just hav no more time now, will re-connect later. may be i found any other conclusions about my problem |
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szabgab_mib |
I got a tweet from burakgursoy hi. that trac thing sux big time IMNSHO. sending a patch must not be that complex Why not RT? I have a patch for Padre: http://bit.ly/2p2wt7 |
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szabgab_mib |
can someone pls take that patch, check it an apply it |
| 10:57 |
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szabgab_mib |
it is a windows related thing |
| 10:59 |
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waxhead |
someone else said they had something to report but couldn't do it with trac |
| 10:59 |
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waxhead |
I'll check the logs... |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, user_6207 |
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waxhead |
Good evening, all. |
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waxhead |
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waxhead |
03:37 |
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waxhead |
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waxhead |
I have information to add to #744: "Padre fails on WinXP 64". Since Trac registration is closed, what do I do with it? |
| 11:02 |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/744 ] |
| 11:02 |
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waxhead |
whoops.. sorry about that.. |
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szabgab_mib |
I saw that and you can just point to the log |
| 11:09 |
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szabgab_mib |
I think if we see someone with such a username first we have to teach him/her how to change the nickname |
| 11:09 |
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szabgab_mib |
so we will have at least a nick to refer to :-) |
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waxhead |
sure... |
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siegfri3d |
good morning sirs |
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waxhead |
OK.. patch is applied.. do I run perl Makefile.PL and then dmake dmake test ? |
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szabgab_mib |
waxhead: thanks and yes |
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szabgab_mib |
gm siegfri3d |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, I'd really need to change my locale to test it with the turkish though wouldn't I? |
| 11:20 |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:1 ] |
| 11:21 |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:2 ] |
| 11:21 |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, is there a ticket for this? |
| 11:21 |
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szabgab_mib |
waxhead: afaik no ticket - as he apparently only wants RT |
| 11:22 |
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waxhead |
open one and then close it? |
| 11:22 |
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szabgab_mib |
and I think this patch had actually two things |
| 11:22 |
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szabgab_mib |
one of them - the turkish thing - you cannot test |
| 11:22 |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, also need to clean up #744.. |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:2 ] |
| 11:22 |
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szabgab_mib |
I don't think we need that much accounting :-) |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, this handled the turkish locale, and a test change for docbrowser: +if ( IS_WINDOWS ? Win32::IsAdminUser() : ! $< ) { |
| 11:25 |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:3 ] |
| 11:27 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9192 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9192 |
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Hyppolit |
Turkish Locale Added. |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
Fix for docbrowser.t |
| 11:27 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/t/ |
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szabgab_mib |
waxhead: actually we don't need that IS_WINDOWS constant as we already have one |
| 11:31 |
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szabgab_mib |
in Padre::Utils I think |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, so use Padre::Utils in the test? |
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szabgab_mib |
use constant IS_WINDOWS => $^O =~ m{ \A MSWin }xms; \ |
| 11:33 |
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szabgab_mib |
this code can be replaced by one that we already have |
| 11:33 |
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szabgab_mib |
or better : that code can be removed and in the condition we can use the one we already have |
| 11:34 |
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szabgab_mib |
and also it would be nice, next time to add the name of the person who sent the patch to the commit message |
| 11:34 |
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szabgab_mib |
to give the credit where it is due |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, true.. I meant to.. but got totally mixed up and put the attribution on #744 which isn't related! |
| 11:36 |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:3 ] |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, having a real blonde moment.. not sure I should even be doing this... :) |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, ok.. Padre::Util doesn't have a IS_WINDOWS constant or equivilant |
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szabgab_mib |
ack for WIN |
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szabgab_mib |
I don't remember where is it |
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szabgab_mib |
http://svn.perlide.org/padre/t[…]Padre/Constant.pm |
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szabgab_mib |
called WIN32 |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, yeah found it... |
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waxhead |
working on it now |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, is this OK: require Win32 if Padre::Constant::WIN32; |
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Alias |
It's legal, certainly |
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Alias |
There's two constants though |
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Alias |
One for Windows the operating system |
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Alias |
One for windows the wxWidgets backend |
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waxhead |
Alias, that's the OS one |
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Alias |
right |
| 11:48 |
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waxhead |
the Wx one is WXWIN |
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waxhead |
Alias, what would be a more 'appropriate' way to do this ? Should I have a my $win = Padre::Constant::WIN32? |
| 11:59 |
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Alias |
Don't do that |
| 11:59 |
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Alias |
If you use Padre::Constant::WIN32 directly, anything it doesn't apply to gets optimised away at compile time |
| 11:59 |
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Alias |
if ( Padre::Constant::WIN32 ) { ... } |
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Alias |
On non-windows, that entire if statement and any code in it get removed |
| 12:00 |
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Alias |
Freeing up memory and making code faster |
| 12:00 |
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waxhead |
cool... |
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Alias |
That's one of the main reasons we HAVE a centralised constant package :) |
| 12:01 |
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Alias |
So people aren't constantly defining variables everywhere |
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Alias |
You drop in that long-name constant and it auto-optimises |
| 12:04 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9193 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9193 |
| 12:04 |
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Hyppolit |
This is a correction to the patch by burakgursoy via szabgab. This and the patch to Locale.pm belongs to burakgursoy. |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
The correction to the test is to use Padre::Constant::WIN32 when checking for windows rather than the introduced constant in the original patch. |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/t/ |
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daxim |
if (windows) is a case for replacing conditional with polymorphism |
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daxim |
waxhead, read up on that if you want to widen your programming horizon |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, ^^^^^ hope that covers my earlier mistake with not attributing the patcht to the right person... it wasn't deliberate.. |
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waxhead |
daxim, polymorphism? |
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szabgab_mib |
waxhead: np, don't worry |
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waxhead |
I wasn't so worried about that, but the goof up in public.. :) |
| 12:06 |
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daxim |
a feature of OO programming. subclassing and roles are popular |
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szabgab_mib |
thopugh I see my $isWindows = in the code but it might be a display bug of trac |
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szabgab_mib |
daxim: it is a test, no need to over OO |
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daxim |
right |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9194 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9194 |
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Hyppolit |
Removed left over line. Checked with prove this time. Sorry. |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/t/ |
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daxim |
do read up on it anyway, it's useful for the future |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, yep.. my bad... saw it in the code and fixed it.. |
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szabgab_mib |
ty |
| 12:09 |
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szabgab_mib |
more karma to you :-) |
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waxhead |
daxim, it was subject we covered.. it's in the dim recesses of my mind these days.. I'd have to crack out the texts again.. |
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waxhead |
szabgab_mib, it's not deserved though... silly mistakes tonight... |
| 12:10 |
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waxhead |
I could blame it on the runs I've had, but that wouldn't be fair any more since that's settled down over the day... |
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waxhead |
made lifting the heavy boxes a bit dicey.. :) |
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Sewi |
Rehi all |
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daxim |
'lo |
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waxhead |
hey Sewi |
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daxim |
Sewi, please fix docs in Wx/Progress.pm - it mixes literal Perl and BNF (should be Perl only) |
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waxhead |
what's it going to take to get right click on the tabs to work? |
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waxhead |
one of the nice things in notepad++ is the irght click "copy filename" or "copy file path to clipboard" |
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szabgab_mib |
waxhead: I think it is a Wx limitation , maybe we even have something about this in trac |
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daxim |
oh, context menu for tabs? |
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waxhead |
daxim, that would be it.. |
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tsee |
Sewi: For the record: I just asked the Perl::Tags maintainer whether he'd accept patches. He said yes. That means we can extend it to our needs and add documentation on how to use it with Padre. |
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Sewi |
daxim: Sorry, would you give me an example what you mean? |
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Sewi |
tsee: That's great. |
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waxhead |
well.. time for bed.. since I don't think I've broken anything tonight.. or at least covered my tracks.. |
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Sewi |
waxhead: gn8, sleep well |
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waxhead |
speaking of trac, how can I remove my dumb comments to #744? It's not related to the ticket at all... |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:3 ] |
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daxim |
example: [modal => 1,] [lazy => 1,] this is backus-naur form denoting an omissible or optional element |
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daxim |
but [] is also used in Perl for creating an array reference |
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daxim |
syntax clash |
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daxim |
so take out the BNF, then write explicitely in the doc prose that those are optional |
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Sewi |
daxim: understood what you mean, will do. |
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waxhead |
are we using the AUINOTEBOOK? |
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waxhead |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]k-close-tab-event |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9195 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9195 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated POD |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
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Sewi |
daxim: ok? |
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* daxim |
rebase |
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daxim |
excellent |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:4 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#746: regex replace all is overeager (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/746 ] |
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Sewi |
daxim: Is this a #587 duplicate? |
| 12:43 |
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Hyppolit |
#587: Padre::Search.pm crash (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/587 ] |
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daxim |
I do not get any crash, no duplicate |
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Sewi |
Actually the replace-function is currently not working well, because the original one via Search.pm didn't work. |
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daxim |
more bugs. undo is also affected |
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Hyppolit |
#747: undo not undoing enough (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/747 ] |
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beggars |
I installed .50 .msi and got this "failed to start because perl58.dll was not found" error |
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beggars |
I had remove my strawberry 5.8 before installing this |
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Sewi |
daxim: Undo revokes the last replace, as it should. |
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daxim |
that's wrong |
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daxim |
it revokes only the change on one line; the undo stack erroneously actually has 11 changes |
| 12:52 |
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tsee |
http://github.com/tsee/perl-tags # for those who want to start hacking Perl::Tags |
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Sewi |
daxim: What's wrong with this? Each replace is one item. If you replaced many things, you could undo each one. |
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daxim |
no, there's one user initiated action (Replace), hence there must be one Undo item added to the stack. principle of least surprise. that's how the rest of the world does it |
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szabgab_mib |
let's see how the rest of the editors do |
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daxim |
I'm using Replace All because I want to do it for potentially a lot of lines |
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daxim |
undoing each manually is a ridiculous notion |
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Sewi |
mcedit does undo in steps after replace all |
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szabgab_mib |
in vim if I make a global replace and then an undo it undoes all the changes |
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szabgab_mib |
BUT if I do a global replace with confirmation and I confirm them one by one then the undo also acts one by one |
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Sewi |
szabgab: same for word. Looks like a good way. |
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Hyppolit |
#744: Padre fails on WinXP 64 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/744#comment:5 ] |
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szabgab_mib |
daxim: what do you think about this split behavior ? |
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daxim |
reasonable, but should be documented |
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daxim |
BTW I wanted to ask for a long time, does wxPerl have instant help? ("What's this" in MS and KDE speak) |
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szabgab_mib |
once I looked for such thing but could not find |
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szabgab_mib |
of course that does not mean much |
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daxim |
lame |
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daxim |
I'm disappointed |
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szabgab_mib |
I know, I should learn how to search |
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szabgab_mib |
I wonder if it is available in Gnome |
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daxim |
no, I fear this doesn't exist after all |
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szabgab_mib |
and I am really not sure about wx |
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szabgab_mib |
daxim: and I have no idea what would it take to compule wxWidgets with KDE but maybe you can check that |
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daxim |
I just checked in GIMP, Shift+F1 works on all 5 dialogs I tried |
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daxim |
that's not a matter of compiling because the support plainly does not exist. the Wx guys have to actually interface with the KDE libraries |
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daxim |
a SMOP, but time consuming |
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Alias |
Why on earth would you undo one at a time |
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Alias |
I thought I implemented it as a one-step undo? |
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Alias |
Of course it is |
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Alias |
You do undo manually |
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Alias |
oh wait |
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Alias |
"instant help" |
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Alias |
You mean widget contextual helpy things |
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Alias |
Actually, it might |
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tsee |
Can somebody on Windows try to run the Perl::Tags tests from here? http://github.com/tsee/perl-tags |
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tsee |
I think I fixed it on win32. |
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tsee |
I can produce a tarball if you don't have git. |
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daxim |
github has zip and tarball automatically |
| 13:12 |
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daxim |
just click that download button |
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tsee |
Good point. |
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tsee |
Anyone who can test it? |
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szabgab_mib |
tsee: the other day I was looking for the tags thing you added to padre but could not remember where it was |
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tsee |
You mean code-wise? |
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tsee |
Or "as a user" |
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szabgab_mib |
so I implemented an extreamly stupid way of find the definition of a sub |
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szabgab_mib |
code-wise |
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szabgab_mib |
neither as user |
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Sewi |
szabgab_mib: perlide.org/irclogs/ - files are still forbidden |
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szabgab_mib |
was that ever connected to GUI? |
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szabgab_mib |
Sewi: if I had time to do anything about that... |
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tsee |
as a user, Sewi made it configurable just yesterday. |
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szabgab_mib |
but I am still spening most of my time at a client and the number of tasks I am delaying is just growing |
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tsee |
code-wise, check lib/Padre/Document/Perl.pm |
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tsee |
In autocomplete |
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szabgab_mib |
tsee: but could we use it to jump to an actual sub definition ? |
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szabgab_mib |
oh it was used in autocomplete ? |
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tsee |
If it's up to date, in principle yes. |
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tsee |
szabgab, that was the whole point of my adding it. |
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szabgab_mib |
but there was no gui to jump to sub definition, right ? |
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tsee |
not that I know of. |
| 13:18 |
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szabgab_mib |
ok, so now there is one |
| 13:18 |
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tsee |
You can use it to autocomplete class names, partly variables, and methods (when they're being called on the class name, for simplicity) |
| 13:18 |
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szabgab_mib |
that I added a few days ago |
| 13:18 |
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szabgab_mib |
we just need to connect it to the tags |
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szabgab_mib |
you can use it now if you right click on $x->some_thing |
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szabgab_mib |
but it has lots of limitations |
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tsee |
szabgab, this would be a typical line in a perltags file: |
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tsee |
(for a sub entry) |
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tsee |
_create_buttons /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/Padre/Wx/Dialog/SessionSave.pm /sub _create_buttons {/;" s line:202 class:Padre::Wx::Dialog::SessionSave |
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tsee |
And then you can use my Parse::ExuberantCTags like this: |
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szabgab_mib |
maybe we can get Sewi to look at it ;-) |
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tsee |
my $tag = $parser->findTag("_create_buttons", ignore_case => 0, partial => 1); |
| 13:21 |
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tsee |
Sewi++ |
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szabgab_mib |
tsee: and with you I wanted to have a serious discussion about the use of Perl in scientific math (PDL and other things) and how we can create a GUI that will help that |
| 13:22 |
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szabgab_mib |
but not now |
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tsee |
szabgab_mib, I'm not the right person for that. |
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szabgab_mib |
then who would be ? |
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szabgab_mib |
I am already chatting on the PDL list but they are a bunch of vi user :-) |
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szabgab_mib |
command line worshippers |
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szabgab_mib |
actually we started to talk about some PDL - Padre integration, which might be cool |
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tsee |
It's still them. |
| 13:25 |
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szabgab_mib |
jut my understanding of the needs of the scientific community is sooooo small |
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tsee |
there is no "the scientific community", though. |
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tsee |
"the programming community"... |
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Alias |
sure there is |
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Alias |
The scientifici community cares rather a lot about things like publishing standards for papers I would imagine |
| 13:27 |
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Alias |
And weights and measures :) |
| 13:27 |
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Alias |
Well, not universally |
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Alias |
So lets go with publishing standards :) |
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tsee |
Not really. Because "the scientific community" thus includes the human sciences. And they don't care about weights and measures. |
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tsee |
I'm not mocking you. It's just that it's such a broad term and such a diverse crowd that it's very hard to accomodate many variants. |
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Alias |
Like I said, ignore weights and measures |
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tsee |
I'm a high-energy physicist. We use C++ exclusively. |
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Alias |
Let just go with publishing :) |
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Alias |
And peer reviews |
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Alias |
And maybe conference junkets |
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Black|Laptop |
hi ;d |
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El_Che |
someone calling? I am a scientist from the human sciences :) |
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Sewi |
hi Black|Laptop |
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szabgab_mib |
tsee: let's just go with Matlab users |
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tsee |
szabgab_mib, see? I'm not the one to talk to. |
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tsee |
I do approve of your plans, but I can do little to help. I have never used the Matlab ide. |
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szabgab_mib |
but are there people around you (or anyone else here) who use Matlab or similar tool ? |
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tsee |
No. |
| 13:33 |
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tsee |
Hardcore emacs users all around. |
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shadowpaste |
"tsee" at 217.168.144.84 pasted "Snippet for finding the location (file/line) of a sub (optionally in a given class) using Parse::ExuberantCTags" (19 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/36114 |
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tsee |
szabgab_mib, see my nopaste for how you can use perltags to jump to the definition of a sub. |
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shadowpaste |
"kaare" at 193.88.64.250 pasted "Padre dying" (3 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/36115 |
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tsee |
szabgab, the snippet is only so complicated (continue) because you get the first matching entry with ->findTag and iterate over the remaining matching entries with ->findNextTag. |
| 13:38 |
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kaare |
What provoced it? Holding down shift key and pressing the left key a couple of times. |
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tsee |
Otherwise, it'd be a typical while(defined($tag = $parser->next)) |
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szabgab_mib |
and I guess this only provides the result based on simple text analysis |
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daxim |
kaare, how do I reproduce this crash? I want to do a proper backtrace |
| 13:39 |
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szabgab_mib |
without knowing what might be the object |
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tsee |
szabgab, I don't follow. |
| 13:40 |
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tsee |
It does not solve the "what class does this object belong to" problem. |
| 13:40 |
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tsee |
It's just an index of definitions. |
| 13:40 |
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szabgab_mib |
so $x->foo and $y->foo will find the same foo even if $x and $y are different objects |
| 13:40 |
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tsee |
If you supply a class name, it'll find the sub of that class. |
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tsee |
If you don't, it'll find them all. |
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tsee |
It's not related to the "what class does $x belong to" problem. |
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kaare |
daxim: I get it at random when doing what I said. |
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szabgab_mib |
oh good |
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szabgab_mib |
so now we just need to guess what is $x or $y |
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tsee |
Yes, that's likely the hardest part. |
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daxim |
random is not good. then you have to do the backtrace. run gdb perl, then at the gdb prompt> r /path/to/padre somefile |
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tsee |
But in cases where it's not possible, one could offer a popup of files to select. |
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daxim |
then crash the app, then at the gdb prompt> bt full |
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tsee |
daxim, does thzat help much if perl wasn't build with debugging? |
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daxim |
it helps a bit |
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daxim |
at least one can see where it crashes |
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shadowpaste |
"kaare" at 193.88.64.250 pasted "gdb bt full" (118 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/36116 |
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kaare |
daxim: Hope it makes some kind of sense for you |
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daxim |
yes, we can see it's in wx :( |
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kaare |
Thought so. |
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daxim |
if you want to try to get rid of it, install your system's wx-devel packages and install Alien::wxWidgets again |
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kaare |
Good advise. I'll try that later. |
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Sewi |
tsee_: Anything you want me to do? |
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szabgab_mib |
Sewi: it was me I think |
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tsee_ |
*If* you have the time and interest to do it, you could have a look at Gabor's "jump to method declaration" code. |
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szabgab_mib |
to connect the "find method declaration" with the use of the tags |
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tsee_ |
And adapt it to use ... exactly. |
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tsee_ |
The code I pasted earlier does the lookup part of this. |
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tsee_ |
I'm currently hacking on a CLI for Perl::Tags, by the way. |
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Sewi |
tsee_: If I'd work on Padre when I _have_ the time for it, I won't have one commit :-) |
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Hyppolit |
#416: encode dialog (reopened defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/416#comment:2 ] |
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Sewi |
I'll have a look at it but don't want to make any promises as I never got the ctags functions working here. |
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tsee_ |
But you did get a perltags file? |
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Sewi |
No working one. |
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Sewi |
This is why I asked for a command line sample. (As a Padre user) I don't want to learn how the tags work or how to use the module only for using the function. :-) |
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tsee_ |
Okay. Then give me two minutes and I'll commit a CLI to Perl::Tags |
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Sewi |
Thanks |
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tsee_ |
Sewi, done. Get http://github.com/tsee/perl-tags, install it, and then use "perl-tags -r /some/path/to/modules/to/index" |
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tsee_ |
Warning: Running that on Padre will take a while and index like.. your whole computer. |
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tsee_ |
The CLI is subject to change, too. |
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Hyppolit |
#421: crash: no documents, F3/F4 (reopened defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/421#comment:2 ] |
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tsee_ |
Sewi, nevermind -r. |
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tsee_ |
That's actually a little broken. |
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tsee_ |
Fixed. |
| 14:23 |
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Hyppolit |
#424: segmentation fault: fast repeated clicks to toggle status in plugin manager (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/424#comment:2 ] |
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Sewi |
I'll look at it later, sorry, atm busy |
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tsee_ |
No worries. |
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tsee_ |
Alias: "API CHANGE: Source code should only be passed to PPI::Document->new as a SCALAR reference" <--- wow, that's quite a change. |
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Alias |
Yes |
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tsee_ |
Ouch. |
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Alias |
It was a long time ago |
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Alias |
It was so we could have this |
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Alias |
PPI::Document->new( $filename ); |
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Alias |
PPI::Document->new( \$content ); |
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Alias |
PPI::Document->new( \@lines ); |
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Alias |
Also, it meant one fewer memory copy |
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Alias |
At the time I did it, there wasn't a whole lot of downstream modules yet |
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Alias |
It would be harder to do now |
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Sewi |
Alias: For the Beginner error checks having uncommented source would be really helpful. Can PPI replace every comment by spaces (or any other harmless char)? The number of chars must not change because of the line detection. |
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tsee_ |
Alias, ah, nevermind. It's a bug in the calling module. |
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Alias |
Sewi: By the time you pay for PPI to parse it to do with comment removal, you might as well just do the beginner stuff in PPI too |
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Alias |
The nice thing about it now is that it evades the PPI cost |
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szabgab_mib |
which reminds me, where is the C version of the PPI parser stands ? |
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Alias |
limbo |
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szabgab_mib |
I met Shmuel a few weeks ago |
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szabgab_mib |
and he sent some e-mails then |
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Sewi |
Alias: I'ld really love using PPI for most of the beginner error stuff. |
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Alias |
It should be doable |
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Alias |
It would be more reliable certainly |
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tsee_ |
Alias: We're still waiting for being able to test the XS for the tokenizer. |
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tsee_ |
Though I suspect it'll turn out to require a lot of debugging. |
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Alias |
Am I the one blocking that? |
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tsee_ |
I think you said you'd make the tokenizer pluggable. |
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Alias |
yeah :( |
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tsee_ |
That was the last thing I heard. |
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Alias |
I'm stupidly overworked |
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Alias |
geo2gov.com.au |
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tsee_ |
Don't tell me. |
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Alias |
I'm in the middle of changing the nature of democracy |
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Alias |
:) |
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Alias |
I may well have the opportunity to give the country the keys to the country |
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Alias |
Albeit the primary keys of the country |
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Alias |
:) |
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Alias |
bed for me atm |
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misterwhipple |
Good afternoon, all. I have a question about installing Padre. |
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misterwhipple |
After running 'perl Build.PL' and 'perl Build', if I want to run the new perl for testing before I install, is this command line correct: |
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misterwhipple |
perl -Iblib/lib script/padre |
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misterwhipple |
Excuse me, I meant "if I want to run the new *padre* for testing" |
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PerlJam |
isn't there a dev.pl or something for testing? |
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PerlJam |
nevermind. you want to run the about-to-be-installed padre. |
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tsee_ |
misterwhipple, something like what you wrote should be fine. But it *may* be that Padre requires some little extra setup. |
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tsee_ |
There is a "dev.pl" which is part of the subversion trunk. |
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tsee_ |
It sets everything up. |
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tsee_ |
http://svn.perlide.org/padre/trunk/Padre/dev.pl |
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tsee_ |
Just have a look whether you're missing something. |
| 18:47 |
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tsee_ |
(If anything, it'll be related to the "shared" files such as translations) |
| 18:51 |
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tsee_ |
Minor design question: Where in the Padre object would a singleton go? |
| 18:51 |
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tsee_ |
One that globally handles interaction with perltags files? |
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tsee_ |
One parser per document is a waste. |
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tsee_ |
Naturally, I could stuff it into Padre::Wx::Main like everyone else does ;P |
| 18:54 |
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tsee_ |
But this is a serious question: It's Perl specific, not GUI related and there need only ever be one of them. |
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misterwhipple |
tsee: Thank you, that led me to what I needed. |
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tsee_ |
misterwhipple, any time! |
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Sewi |
tsee_: Padre->ide. Or set it up as class methods or functions. |
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tsee_ |
Sewi, well, Padre->ide returns the main IDE object (class Padre). Unfortunately, that's really not where such a specific thing should go. :( |
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tsee_ |
Maybe I should just make it a function, yes. |
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Sewi |
tsee_: Padre->ide is the only singleton afaik, everything else (editor, document, etc.) is created multiple times. |
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tsee_ |
Well, much of the Wx hierarchy is also more or less singletons. But that's certainly not where it goes. |
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tsee_ |
Oh. And TaskManager and PluginManager are part of the IDE. |
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tsee_ |
I'll go with a functional interface for now. |
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Sewi |
If you build it for Perl, remember that the same thing may need to be build for other languages, too. |
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tsee_ |
But it'd need totally other code anyway. |
| 19:05 |
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tsee_ |
Well. Traditionally, we've started simple and then abstracted when it proved worthwhile :) |
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Sewi |
:-) |
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axeman |
Is this a known issue: I went to install Padre Standalone .50 (through msi), I have .45 installed and the instaler tells me I have a *newer* version installed. |
| 19:09 |
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Sewi |
ping CSJewell |
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Sewi |
axeman: No, I think this is new. |
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Sewi |
CSJewell packed the 0.50 yesterday, he might give more information about this topic. |
| 19:10 |
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CSJewell |
This IS new. I'll check and see what's going on. |
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axeman |
Would it work if I downloaded the zip and just copied it over the old installation? |
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Sewi |
CSJewell: Do you want a ticket for this? |
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axeman |
Sure, you can open a ticket (or I can w/instructions) |
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Sewi |
axeman: If you already got a running installation, try using CPAN for update. Just type "cpan Padre" in a DOS box. |
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Sewi |
axeman: Do you have a trac account? |
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CSJewell |
Yes, please. I'll check and see what happened. It may not be a fix we want to take, and here's why: The 0.45 installer may have gotten installed with the *Perl* version being the version of the installer, while the 0.50 installer took the *Padre* version as the installer version. |
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Sewi |
I understand. |
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Sewi |
axeman: Do you want to open this ticket? |
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CSJewell |
If that's the case, doing a remove of 0.45 using "Add/Remove Programs", and then installing 0.50 is a usable workaround. |
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CSJewell |
Doing "cpan Padre" will be another. |
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axeman |
Well the CPAN way sounds doable. So that's it? It came bundled with strawberry, can I just update to the new version. |
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tsee_ |
That should work fine. |
| 19:16 |
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axeman |
Well that's cool then. |
| 19:17 |
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axeman |
@CSJewell:No trac account. I'll leave it to you guys if you want to open a ticket for this. |
| 19:21 |
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Hyppolit |
#748: Padre 0.50 can not be installed if 0.45 is installed (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/748 ] |
| 19:21 |
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Sewi |
axeman: Any other things you like/don't like on Padre? |
| 19:22 |
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Hyppolit |
#742: Line numbers are shown at startup, but not shown as "enabled" in View menu (accepted defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/742#comment:1 ] |
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axeman |
Is it possible to create a button for a plugin? (I'm in the first stages of investigating this.) Can you link a hotkey? Thx |
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Sewi |
axeman: Yes and Yes |
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Sewi |
Currently, you need to modify the Toolbar configuration option. It is a hard coded default at this time. Look here: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]re/Config.pm#L335 |
| 19:41 |
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axeman |
Thanks, Sewi. Is there a current plugin for reference? |
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Sewi |
Sorry, not afaik. The PHP Plugin creates actions and only actions could be added to the toolbar. |
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Sewi |
Hi code4pay |
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code4pay |
Hello |
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Sewi |
code4pay: any patches to apply? :-) |
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Sewi |
tsee_: "tsee_:Get http://github.com/tsee/perl-tags," - If there a HTTP download possibility? |
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code4pay |
Sewi: none Today |
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code4pay |
But I only just got out of bed |
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Sewi |
Are you from .au, too? |
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code4pay |
Yes, I was just thinking I think the Aussies are in the majority ? |
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Sewi |
We got plenty of them :-) |
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code4pay |
I'm guessing from your sleeping habits your in Europe somewhere? |
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Sewi |
guilty as charged :-) |
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code4pay |
Always the hardest time zone for us aussies to work with |
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tsee_ |
Sewi: It's right there on the page: http://github.com/tsee/perl-ta[…]902f34c620992a0a1 |
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Sewi |
Thanks.. |
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Sewi |
tsee_: Warning: the following files are missing in your kit: META.yml Please inform the author. |
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tsee_ |
It would. |
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tsee_ |
It's not a release. |
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tsee_ |
Ignore it. |
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Sewi |
Ok, just following the things shown on the screen :-) |
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mib_ygctbw |
hello, |
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mib_ygctbw |
I installed .50 and now got this wperl.exe error, failed to start because perl58.dll was not found |
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Sewi |
mib_ygctbw: Hi, please wait a moment... |
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Sewi |
ping CSJewell |
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mib_ygctbw |
I previously remove my strawberry 5.8 |
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mib_ygctbw |
Sewi: thanks |
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Sewi |
Before install? |
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mib_ygctbw |
yes |
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CSJewell |
Do you have an activestate 5.8 installed, or something? |
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mib_ygctbw |
CSJewell: strawberry |
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Sewi |
Thanks CSJewell and sorry for disturbing you again |
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mib_ygctbw |
there's 2 strawberry installed now but the one bundled with .50 .msi and the 1 I downloaded straight from strawberryperl.com |
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CSJewell |
No flipping wonder. Uninstall both of them, make sure the C:\strawberry directory is completely gone, and then install .50 again. |
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mib_ygctbw |
ok, let me do that |
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* mib_ygctbw |
will reboot |
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CSJewell |
Good idea, that. |
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fg3 |
getting error on fedora11 with padre 50 install |
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fg3 |
help |
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fg3 |
libwx_gtk2u_aui-2.8.so cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory |
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user_6297 |
CSJewell: thank you, I've now a running .50 from .msi, I remove my installed strawberry |
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user_6297 |
fg3: If nobody can answer you, try to ask again later on as conversation here are being logged and when the gurus are awake they will check it |
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user_6297 |
fg3: so most of the time when you try later on they have a ready answer for you ;) |
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* Sewi |
& |
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Sewi |
fg3: Please open a ticket describing what happens. Ping Ryan52 | garu for opening trac. |
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Sewi |
trac? |
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Hyppolit |
trac is http://padre.perlide.org/trac and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register |
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Sewi |
good night |
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