Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2009-11-14

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00:15 Sewi gn8 &
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02:33 Getty ok dudes
02:33 Getty i must cry now
02:33 Getty cause: I WANT THIS FEATURE: http://www.sublimetext.com/
02:33 Getty if noone gives any other comment, i will make it a feature request ticket now ;)
02:34 Getty never saw an editor which made me so happy in the moment i saw the webpage
02:34 Getty its exactly the feature i needed and never searched for
02:46 waxhead Getty, what feature is that?
02:47 waxhead side by side editing?
02:47 Getty no
02:47 Getty more that you see the complete file
02:47 Getty and can directly click to the point in the file which you want to edit
02:47 Getty so that i dont need to scroll
02:47 Getty instead click directly to the block i want
02:47 Getty i always "know" how my code is blocked, and so this feature plays totally in my way of working/thinking
02:48 waxhead I guess so...
02:48 waxhead raise a ticket... someone might take it on
02:48 Getty yeah i do it tomorrow, i must go to bed now, had some massive chats my brain hurts
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03:25 waxhead hey submersible
03:25 submersible hiya
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08:26 Sewi good morning
08:29 Sewi trac?
08:29 Hyppolit trac is http://padre.perlide.org/trac and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
08:59 Hyppolit svn: r9214 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9214
08:59 Hyppolit Fixed a use of uninitialized value when opening a file via command line.
08:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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11:36 Sewi Does anybody know a public FTP server running MS Windows IIS FTP-Service (with at least one small file on it - ftp.microsoft.com has no files)
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11:53 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.50, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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12:04 tsee_ Would a dependency on Perl::Tags be acceptable?
12:05 tsee_ "rm -f blib/arch/auto/Padre/Padre.so
12:05 tsee_ cc  -shared -O2 -g -L/usr/local/lib Padre.o  -o blib/arch/auto/Padre/Padre.so"
12:05 tsee_ ?
12:05 tsee_ Anyone tried "make" in the Padre SVN trunk recently?
12:09 Hyppolit svn: r9215 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9215
12:09 Hyppolit Some small fixes and minor changes to Padre::File::FTP
12:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
12:15 sewi_mib tsee_: Hi, I'ld prefer a soft dependency: Use it if it's installed and don't use it otherwise as it's not required for Padre core.
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12:15 tsee_ Well, we could either put the whole thing in a plugin or implement it in core.
12:15 tsee_ I think it's such an important feature that we should consider a core dependency.
12:16 tsee_ "weak" dependencies as in "if this isn't loadable, complain to the user at runtime" are bad, IMO.
12:16 tsee_ Then I'd prefer a plugin.
12:16 Sewi No, I don't want to do this.
12:16 tsee_ I'm currently investigating means of merging multiple large tags files.
12:16 Sewi Not complain, life without it and only if the user manually clicks a function which really requires it, complain.
12:17 tsee_ That's what I mean. That sucks.
12:17 tsee_ Consider what happens when that kind of thing becomes the norm.
12:17 tsee_ You do something that your editor offers via its menus/etc. Whatever you do, it suggests installing something.
12:17 Sewi It's better than adding another dependency or pushing it into a Plugin (which much fewer people use than Padre itself).
12:18 tsee_ Then I respectfully disagree.
12:18 tsee_ Somebody needs to sit down and write a proper plugin-installer-manager
12:18 tsee_ I had a good chunk of a design in my head until people REMOVED PAR SUPPORT.
12:19 tsee_ But design-in-mind doesn't magically translate to code, I fear.
12:19 Sewi http://deps.cpantesters.org/?​module=Perl::Tags;perl=latest should get greener before we add it as dependency, I think.
12:20 Sewi And: You're right - we really need a much better management of (uninstalled) plugins. It should be one mouse-click to install a plugin, not more.
12:21 tsee_ Sewi, feel free to improve Perl::Tags. Just clone it from github and send a pull request to osfameron.
12:25 Sewi If I'd have the time... :-(
12:27 Hyppolit svn: r9216 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9216
12:27 Hyppolit Make config usage optional for Padre::File::HTTP
12:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
12:28 Hyppolit svn: r9217 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9217
12:28 Hyppolit Adding some FTP tests and moving HTTP tests to a better place. Set PADRE_NETWORK_T=1 to run the tests
12:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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15:49 mj41 Hi. Is it possible to have "Directory" panel in the same state for each file? I would like to have opened only project root, no subdirs of project.
15:50 Sewi Put a padre.yml into the project home dir.
15:54 mj41 Sewi: thanks, it works :-)
16:07 Sewi mj41: No problem, you're welcome
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16:18 mj41 and "Syntax Check" Can't locate ... is still a issue or is it fixable?
16:20 Sewi Locate your  custom modules?
16:25 mj41 yes
16:25 mj41 inside 'lib' dir
16:30 Sewi Sorry - known problem without easy fix :-(
16:31 Sewi On Linux using "PERLINC=/path/to/lib padre" _may_ help, but it isn't good at all.
16:31 mj41 the "$FindBin::Bin/lib" part is replaced by "C:/DOCUME~1/jurosz/LOCALS~1/Temp/lib" :-(
16:33 mj41 ok
16:36 mj41 Padre is great ... will try PHP plugin next week and then TextPad is probably history for me ... thanks.
16:41 Sewi mj41: Thank you. Please report every bug or feature wish - also for the PHP plugin - to trac.
16:47 El_Che mj41: I reported that ticket
16:47 El_Che let me try to find it
16:48 Sewi El_Che: Hi, the syntax checker is using a temporary file (placed in a OS-dependent temp-dir). FindBin finds this dir, this is no findbin issue.
16:49 El_Che I know
16:49 El_Che but I thought I wrote that in the comment of the ticket
16:51 El_Che http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/474
16:51 El_Che that one
17:39 jq padre++ # autocompletion is gorgeous now, and really usable!
17:39 jq nice work guys
18:07 szabgab tsee_, Sewi I think adding more dependencies isn't such a big issue if we are talking about ease of installation
18:07 szabgab as in the end most of the people will use a pre-packaged version of the whole thing
18:08 szabgab either via their linux distros package management or Strawberry Perl
18:08 szabgab so we are exporting the trouble to our friends who package padre :-)
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19:53 szabgab if anyone has time to look at this
19:53 szabgab http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=807170
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20:07 Sewi szabgab: Would be the same the beginner error checks do, just exchange the checks :-)
20:07 szabgab maybe
20:45 Sewi szabgab: I tried to merge all tests which use the internet in one file: t/94. It requires a env setting to actually run the tests. Even if they fail, Padre could be installed and used.
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21:29 Hyppolit svn: r9218 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9218
21:29 Hyppolit Some test script cleanup
21:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
21:51 Sewi tsee_: Perl::Tags 0.27 is the new uploaded version?
22:38 Hyppolit svn: r9219 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9219
22:38 Hyppolit Added blog about testing
22:38 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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23:14 kthakore Getty: I haz cheezzbugers for you
23:14 kthakore Getty: sdl.perl.org
23:16 Getty wonderful, but still the same non-opensource non-sdl game icons ;)
23:16 kthakore which one?
23:16 Getty the invaders and the cherries?
23:16 Getty and the teris
23:16 Getty aehm tetris and the tron
23:16 kthakore tron is from GLtron
23:16 Getty oookkk ;) then still 3 left
23:16 kthakore cherries is actually self made art
23:17 kthakore Tetris is falling blocks game
23:17 kthakore I made it
23:17 kthakore :P
23:17 Getty but cherries are symbol for pacman :P
23:18 Getty you are making border cases ;)
23:18 Getty long time you replace them all with SDL:: games :-P
23:18 kthakore :p
23:18 kthakore Getty: fine come to #sdl and tell FROGGS
23:18 kthakore Getty: just tell me our site looks good
23:18 Getty it looks cool
23:18 kthakore Site issues go to FROGSS
23:18 kthakore :p
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