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IRC log for #padre, 2009-11-25

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00:21 beggars http://fpaste.org/CbXo/
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02:21 Alias Is there a currently recommended install method for Mac?
02:22 Alias I'm about to give my Padre talk in a second
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03:58 garu guys, it appears Devel::Refactor was left out the Windows 0.50 version of Padre... Is this so? If so, Is this known? I received a report of a Windows user having trouble with it, I still didn't get a reply if it was the msi or the zip, but I thought you guys should be aware
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04:28 mib_s3ph33 Anyone awake
04:29 PJF mib_s3ph33: Hi Adam! :)
04:29 PJF I'm watching this awesome Padre talt at OSDC.
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04:52 addy hey
05:06 szabgab gm
05:07 szabgab so how was the Padre talk ?
05:07 szabgab anyone from OSDC.au here ?
05:36 Hyppolit svn: r9278 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9278
05:36 Hyppolit Find in Files now has a "list only files without match" checkbox
05:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
05:47 Hyppolit svn: r9279 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9279
05:47 Hyppolit internationalized some hardcoded output strings
05:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
05:48 Hyppolit svn: r9280 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9280
05:48 Hyppolit updated messages file
05:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
05:50 addy can anyone help me with changing the colour scheme of Padre. I want it to look like Komodo Edit. It is to bright for my tastes.
05:51 szabgab addy, View/Style ?
05:51 addy none of the default ones are good enough
05:52 addy i want to make my own
05:53 * szabgab is looking up docs to see if it is explained
05:53 alanhaggai Hi Gabor. :-)
05:54 szabgab addy, perldoc Padre and look for styles
05:54 garu wow, you guys seriously renamed all "plugin" occurrences to "plug-in"? what did I miss?
05:54 szabgab alanhaggai, hi!
05:55 alanhaggai Can we have the command prompt hidden in Windows for Padre in the default installation?
05:55 szabgab alanhaggai, it is AFAK already
05:55 alanhaggai I tried: http://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/ScriptCen​ter/en-us/8bbed56f-a7aa-491f-a296-687dd96098a3 and was able to hide it.
05:56 szabgab which version have you tried ?
05:56 alanhaggai The birthday version, I think.
05:58 szabgab that's way too old
05:58 szabgab try 0.50, it was already fixed there
05:59 alanhaggai Nice to know that.
06:06 Hyppolit svn: r9281 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9281
06:06 Hyppolit updated brazilian portuguese translation
06:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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06:49 szabgab http://bit.ly/6ys7TA
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06:53 szabgab I think this is the most reasonable version among the 20 or so I made in the last 24 hours
06:53 szabgab awnstudio, are you on OSDC ?
06:53 awnstudio osdc?
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06:54 Sewi Good morning
06:55 szabgab awnstudio, ah, sorry mixup
06:55 szabgab gm
06:55 szabgab Sewi,  http://bit.ly/6ys7TA
07:00 Sewi szabgab: great!
07:01 Sewi But I wondered that we don't have a Perl6 menu :-)
07:01 szabgab I have to figure out how to make a video where the text is actually readable
07:01 awnstudio szabgab, looks awesome
07:01 Sewi It is.
07:01 awnstudio better than EPIC and Komodos context help :)
07:02 awnstudio EPIC doesnt have the shortcut or the awareness (you have to type in the function and search
07:02 awnstudio Komodo has awareness but its slow and doesnt support variables
07:03 awnstudio though komodo has a go-to-definition command where it actually finds the module and opens it, ..., but padre still kicks ass
07:04 awnstudio does padre have a ubuntu package yet?
07:04 Sewi yes, but Padre 0.42
07:07 awnstudio ah
07:19 szabgab addy, have you managed with the sytle ?
07:47 addy i found something the yml file.... it seems it will need a lot of working on :)
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09:00 Sewi plugin?
09:01 Sewi plugins?
09:01 Hyppolit plugins is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
09:02 Sewi Hyppolit: plugin is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
09:02 Hyppolit plugin was unknown
09:02 Hyppolit plugin is now http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
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09:45 szabgab_mib where are the people from .au when I would like to know how was the Padre talk on OSDC ?
09:52 Sewi AliasSo, in about 36 hours I have to give my Padre talk at OSDC and I haven't slept in 36 hours and I've got 1 slide and a collection of screen shots. This is somewhat troubling. Especially since a well written talk consumes around 1 hour of work for each minute of talk. And it's a 60minute talk
09:53 Sewi :-)
09:54 Getty Sewi: "Maedchen" :-P
09:56 Sewi Getty: :-)
09:57 szabgab_mib there were some tweets about his talk but I have not found anything on the responses
10:32 waxhead szabgab_mib, nice screen cast!
10:32 waxhead who did the padre talk?
10:34 szabgab_mib Alias
10:36 waxhead I really need to get my self along to one of those...
10:37 waxhead would have been good to see Paul Fenwick and Adam present..
10:37 waxhead although I've had the privlidge of having dinner iwth paul..
10:37 waxhead man he can talk...
10:37 waxhead right.. I'm off to bed.. old and tired...
10:39 szabgab_mib :-)
10:53 Sewi mib?
10:57 szabgab_mib Sewi:  using mibbit
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10:58 Sewi Hyppolit: mib is http://widget.mibbit.com/?server=​irc.perl.org&channel=%23padre
10:58 Hyppolit mib was unknown
10:58 Hyppolit mib is now http://widget.mibbit.com/?server=​irc.perl.org&channel=%23padre
10:58 wiredfutureman 'nabend
10:58 Sewi szabgab_mib: I know, though Hyppolit also does :-)
10:58 Sewi wiredfutureman: Hallo
10:58 wiredfutureman :)
10:59 szabgab_mib wiredfutureman: you who ?
10:59 szabgab_mib another self of Sewi ?
10:59 wiredfutureman lol
10:59 wiredfutureman nope
10:59 wiredfutureman i'm autonomous
11:00 Sewi szabgab_mib: I don't think so, but you never know what the other half of you brain does :-)
11:00 szabgab_mib autonomous and  selfaware :-)
11:00 wiredfutureman ;p
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11:01 Sewi wiredfutureman: Are you Axel?
11:02 wiredfutureman I am him
11:02 szabgab_mib I am installing this Charct::Clicker I blogged about it
11:02 wiredfutureman or his online alterego
11:02 szabgab_mib it is using Moose and a lot of other modules
11:02 Sewi szabgab_mib: He is a video/audio/imaging expert and should be able to give you some hints on future screencasts...
11:03 szabgab_mib thats' cool
11:03 wiredfutureman thanks
11:04 szabgab_mib so wiredfutureman how can I create a screencast on linux that will be actually readable on youtube ?
11:05 wiredfutureman I've heard of such magic, yes
11:05 wiredfutureman let me dig out some info for you
11:05 wiredfutureman what are you using at the moment?
11:06 szabgab_mib I used recordmydesktop   which created an .ogv file
11:06 szabgab_mib and then some other command I don't remember to turn in into an avi file
11:07 szabgab_mib which was about 30% smaller
11:07 szabgab_mib and then uploaded that
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11:07 zamolxes szabgab++ # great screencast :)
11:07 szabgab_mib and I actuall captures only a small part of my screen where the editor was
11:08 szabgab_mib zamolxes: thanks
11:08 Sewi szabgab:mencoder -idx out.ogv -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -o out.avi
11:09 Sewi (this is what you wrote yesterday)
11:09 szabgab_mib yes, that was it
11:09 zamolxes adivce: keep your mike a little farther away
11:09 szabgab_mib when viewing either the ogv or the avi file the text was still readable
11:09 zamolxes there was some barely noticable huffing and pufffing :)
11:10 szabgab_mib zamolxes: I was trying but it was attached to my head :-)
11:10 zamolxes ah, just bend the mike arm a bit outwards
11:11 szabgab_mib I'll try that next time
11:11 wiredfutureman there are two programs which I've heard good things about but never used myself: Wink and pyvnc2swf
11:12 wiredfutureman both output to SWF which makes for quick youtubing :)
11:12 zamolxes well anyway, the screencast totally convinced me,  i'll start using it from the premise i'll probably hate it, but will be careful to document any hate :)
11:12 zamolxes we all use vim exclusively here since forever, we know all the tricks :)
11:12 wiredfutureman wink is more aimed at screencasters and how-to gurus, whereas pyvnc2swf takes a broader approach
11:13 szabgab_mib zamolxes: I just had a chat with someone who is also a vim user but he could convince some java coworkers to start using Perl when he installed Padre for them
11:14 zamolxes heh, didn't that scare you? :p
11:14 Sewi zamolxes: There is a Vi Plugin for Padre...
11:14 wiredfutureman there's a nice little post about mencoder conversion for ogg'd output (ie recordmydesktop)  http://www.g-loaded.eu/2009/04/12/​creating-screencasts-under-linux/
11:14 szabgab_mib zamolxes: scare ? why would it?
11:14 zamolxes Sewi: i know, i'll surely use it
11:15 Sewi wiredfutureman: Padre also has a HTML and CSS plugin... :-)
11:15 szabgab_mib I don't think the hard core vim users can give up their speed of editing
11:15 zamolxes szabgab_mib: joking. Java/C# people rely on autocompletion to generate/use long identifiers. I hate that :)
11:15 wiredfutureman Sewi: padre looks pretty cool :)
11:15 szabgab_mib I know, I can still type faster in vim than in Padre
11:16 wiredfutureman here's a quick post on the best HQ youtube conversion settings: http://www.squidoo.com/youtubehd
11:16 zamolxes (for instance I  wrote a hugeass C# app in 2005, targeted on pocketPC without knowing C# or reading any docs :) visual studio to rescue
11:16 wiredfutureman hope this helps :)
11:17 wiredfutureman gtg bbl
11:17 zamolxes well anyway
11:17 szabgab_mib zamolxes: and there are tons of people writing perl code without knowing much of the language
11:18 zamolxes szabgab_mib: yea, like all my sysadmin colleagues :)
11:18 szabgab_mib and there are even more people who don't write perl code because they don't know it
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11:53 siegfri3d good morning sirs.... :)
11:53 szabgab_mib gm
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12:23 Hyppolit #774: Register Perl extensions for Padre on install (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/774 ]
12:28 zamolxes ok, so who'll write the piece on Padre::Plugin::Catalyst  for the advent calendar?
12:28 zamolxes garu: care to volunteer? something very quick, a few screenshots and stuff
12:32 zamolxes garu: i'll be here, yell whenever :)  or bogdan@sinapticode.com
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13:37 szabgab_mib we keep getting these complaints that padre is to Christian and religious, I am seriously considering renaming the editor to the other name I was thinking about
13:37 szabgab_mib s/to/too/
13:37 szabgab_mib http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/a7zbm/co​ntext_sensitive_help_with_padre_the_perl_ide/
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13:39 zamolxes meh, tbh never thought of 'padre' as 'religious'
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14:15 garu zamolxes, sure, I'd be honored :)
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14:30 zamolxes yey, i'll forward you the logistics details, or prod kd on #catalyst-dev
15:12 teejay szabgab_mib, it's nonsense
15:12 teejay ignore them
15:12 szabgab_mib amen
15:12 szabgab_mib err
15:12 teejay :)
15:12 szabgab_mib ;0)
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18:07 dapatrick Does Padre track viewports containing classes/packages by class/package name?
18:07 dapatrick If so, I'm encountering some errant behavior running trunk.
18:08 dapatrick Wait, nm.
18:08 dapatrick I can't accurately describe what I'm seeing just yet.
18:10 rindolf Does Padre have different colour schemes?
18:10 rindolf That I can use a colour for regular text rather than the default intrusive blue.
18:27 Sewi rindolf: yes (it does)
18:28 rindolf Sewi: OK.
18:28 rindolf Sewi: how?
18:32 Sewi rindolf: This is my problem - I don't know. :-(
18:33 Sewi Open Padre, look at the menu, either in View or Edit is a color selection option. Open  Padre/Action/(Menuname).pm or Padre/Wx/Menu/(Menuname).pm if the first doesn't exist.
18:34 Sewi Next, look what is called to change the color.
18:35 Sewi Sorry, I'ld look for you, but need to bring the kiddies to bed now...
18:56 rindolf Sewi: View -> Style?
19:03 Sewi lml
19:03 Sewi yes, I think this is what I mean...
19:04 szabgab ge
19:04 Sewi hi szabgab
19:06 szabgab rindolf, yes View / Style  and you can make your own style (check perldoc Padre for details)
19:06 rindolf szabgab: OK.
19:06 szabgab and we should add this to the FAQ as people often ask this
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20:28 Hyppolit svn: r9282 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9282
20:28 Hyppolit improved Pod (philip potter)++
20:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst/lib/Padre/Plugin/
20:43 Hyppolit svn: r9283 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9283
20:43 Hyppolit [XL] update perl version number to 5.10.1
20:43 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-XL/lib/Perl/Dist/ trunk/Perl-Dist-XL/script/
20:53 Hyppolit svn: r9284 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9284
20:53 Hyppolit [XL] commenting out files in prereq list that are probably not needed by host perl
20:53 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-XL/ trunk/Perl-Dist-XL/lib/Perl/Dist/
21:08 Hyppolit svn: r9285 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9285
21:08 Hyppolit link to Padre screencast
21:08 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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21:27 mib_vy79uf is it intended that on windows, neither the directory tree nor the 'file open' dialog shows filenames starting with an underscore?
21:28 Sewi hi mib_vy79uf. I don't think so.
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21:29 Sewi Which Padre and Windows version do you have?
21:30 mib_vy79uf windows 7 home, padre 0.50
21:31 Sewi I'm on Win7 RC (should be Ultimate) and Padre 0.50
21:31 Sewi Do you see them using the Windows explorer (Win-Key + E)?
21:32 mib_vy79uf Sewi - yes
21:33 mib_vy79uf currently checking out the Padre repository - I'll take a look, but never looked at the Padre code before, so might take a while ;)
21:35 Sewi Do you have a trac account?
21:37 mib_vy79uf is it a Padre-specific account?
21:37 Sewi Yes, here:
21:37 Sewi trac?
21:37 Hyppolit trac is http://padre.perlide.org/trac and also http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
21:39 Sewi You could open Padre-specific tickets there and if you fixed/added something append your patch(es) to the ticket for check and commit.
21:39 mib_vy79uf that register url doesn't work, and /trac/wiki/Register just says to ask on here :)
21:39 mib_vy79uf ah, ok - thanks
21:40 Sewi Sure
21:40 Sewi Try again, please
21:40 mib_vy79uf great - register url worked this time
21:41 mib_vy79uf thanks Sewi - got an account now
21:46 Sewi Registration closed again.
21:46 Sewi We had spam problems - the registration is only open on request.
21:48 mib_vy79uf my mistake - darned windows' fancy document locations! I was looking at a checkout copied from a linux box - and leading-underscore filenames hadn't copied over for some reason
21:48 mib_vy79uf found the location of my fresh checkout in Padre - and it shows all files as expected
21:48 mib_vy79uf many thanks Sewi++
21:49 Sewi :-) No problem, sometimes windows does unexpected things. But you got your trac account and could file bug reports and new_things requests there :-)
21:49 Sewi you're welcome
21:50 mib_vy79uf I'm sure the Padre account will be useful :) trying to migrate from komodo ide + linux to Padre + windows, so still finding my way around!
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21:55 Sewi mib_vy79uf: You may change your nick by typing "/nick YourNewNick"
21:56 fireartist Sewi - hint taken - maybe I'm a bit lazy :)
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22:57 rhebus is there a way to change the environment in which scripts are run from padre?
22:58 rhebus ie can I set environment variable DBIC_TRACE=1 for scripts run from padre?
22:58 rhebus just trying out catalyst + padre, it's very nice so far :)
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23:45 Sewi gn

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