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IRC log for #padre, 2009-12-06

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00:34 waxhead any cpan gurus here?
00:35 waxhead I can't get Locale::Msgfmt to install...
00:38 waxhead ok.. done it... :)
00:38 waxhead just need to install Padre...
01:40 waxhead is there an easy way to remove old builds?
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04:35 Hyppolit svn: r9498 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9498
04:35 Hyppolit right panel created successfully. Guess I owe a beer to myself :(
04:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst​/lib/Padre/Plugin/Catalyst/
04:38 * waxhead is having a bitch of time getting this laptop to build padre
04:38 waxhead Can't locate object method "Dump" via package "Data::Dumper" at /home/pete/.cpan/build/Wx-0.94-GrSYC​h/build/Wx/build/MakeMaker/Any_OS.pm line 203.
04:38 waxhead yet Data::Dumper is installed!
04:41 garu very weird
04:41 garu is Wx-0.94 already installed or are you still there?
04:57 waxhead no I'm tring to install Wx
04:58 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 58.165.251.190 pasted "Wx won't install" (22 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/36962
04:58 waxhead garu, it's been a furstrating weekend... been trying to release 0.51
04:59 waxhead ahh... might be lack of GTK headers maybe...
05:00 garu do you have all libwx-dev stuff?
05:02 waxhead likely not...
05:02 waxhead hmmm installing it now
05:04 waxhead ahh... GTK+ dev files are missing
05:05 garu waxhead, at least now you know :)
05:06 garu Wx Perl really should have some diagnostics messages in make error output
05:18 waxhead what package do I install???
05:18 waxhead sigh
05:22 waxhead ok.. that's looking a little more like it
05:22 waxhead man I hope I don't see the same critic errors after all of this
05:30 garu so?
05:41 waxhead garu, getting there...
05:41 waxhead wx is installed
05:42 waxhead seeing if I can finish isntalling Padre, which should pick up all the necessary depandancies
05:44 garu wx is the hard part
06:03 waxhead so now make test works
06:03 waxhead this has been a rather painful exercise!
06:03 waxhead I don't remember having this much trouble before
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06:31 user_6422 test
06:38 Hyppolit svn: r9499 | garu++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9499
06:38 Hyppolit fixing alignment issues with dialog topbar and components
06:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Catalyst​/lib/Padre/Plugin/Catalyst/
06:50 szabgab gm
06:51 szabgab waxhead, which os version ?
06:57 waxhead ubuntu on another machine
06:57 waxhead running release now after a day of working out what I needed to do to install Padre fresh..
06:58 waxhead and of course I didn't take any notes
06:58 szabgab was that 9.10 ?
06:58 waxhead yes
06:58 waxhead I'm just about to the point where critic runs its tests
06:58 szabgab I had to install padre from apt-get and then build Wx
06:58 szabgab or maybe even Alien, I am not sure
06:59 szabgab that was it basically but I did several loops as well
06:59 szabgab anyone here know what Facebook is good for?
06:59 waxhead szabgab, I got it in the end.. needed to work out what packages to install to get Wx to build
07:00 waxhead szabgab, not much is my personal opinion
07:00 szabgab oh yes, that too
07:00 szabgab I want to setup something there to promote padre
07:00 szabgab a fan club or something
07:02 waxhead well, let me know when you do, I'll join it... :)
07:02 waxhead who knows who's on it ...
07:02 szabgab I am going to blog about the promotion of Padre
07:03 waxhead WOO HOO!!!
07:03 szabgab so far I have linkedin, ohlo, freshmeat
07:03 waxhead I have padre building and passing !
07:03 szabgab I should setup an account for padre on twitter
07:03 szabgab waxhead++
07:03 waxhead I don't have perl critic installled though...
07:03 waxhead I'm not too keen to install it.. at least then I have ONE machine to build on...
07:04 waxhead for releases...
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07:04 szabgab :-)
07:09 waxhead anyone want to try 0.51???
07:09 waxhead http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.51.tar.gz
07:19 szabgab pip -ing
07:20 szabgab waxhead, but you have not packaged it using --tag yet right ?
07:20 szabgab so this is not yet the official package
07:20 szabgab nitpicking: the date in the Changes file is incorrect
07:21 Hyppolit svn: r9500 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9500
07:21 Hyppolit fix date and remove incorrect entry from Changes file
07:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:23 szabgab here is the facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=212242345961
07:32 waxhead szabgab, no.. not official..  a test run
07:32 waxhead this is the first successful build with release.pl
07:33 waxhead just want to make sure it's on target..
07:33 waxhead if you have no problems I'll go through the release documentation and make sure I have things right...
07:34 waxhead szabgab, that date in changes was from the night I started this off...
07:34 szabgab now it is updated, don't worry
07:34 waxhead ok..
07:35 szabgab just build it, put it on the web site let us know and then upload to CPAN
07:35 szabgab btw I would not publish the non-official even to the group of people on IRC
07:36 szabgab as if you now need to change something it will also mean you need to update the version number
07:38 SvenDowideit__ mmm, do i really have to receive so many autobuild emails?
07:39 SvenDowideit__ there's so many, i didn't even read to see if it was a success or failure before hitting delete :/
07:40 szabgab I was thinking of changing it and nly sending out the FAILures
07:40 SvenDowideit__ that's what we did :)
07:40 SvenDowideit__ no news is good news, except i catch hell if my vm stops working :(
07:41 szabgab and maybe success right after a FAIL report
07:41 szabgab or a SUCCESS when revision number is mod 10
07:41 SvenDowideit__ i'm thinking of implementing something like a weekly automated dev report
07:42 SvenDowideit__ where once a week it summarises all the commits, and how often it succeeded and failed to run the test suite
07:42 szabgab I think it would be interesting to see how the Smolder thing could be improved
07:42 SvenDowideit__ and then a big red OH NO if the count is soo small
07:43 SvenDowideit__ mmm, good point really, I should update a wiki topic for each build status / status change
07:43 SvenDowideit__ damn, why is it every time i come here i have to put another task on my 'when i have time pile'
07:43 SvenDowideit__ you and your stuff is too inspiring dammit :)
08:04 szabgab new blog on promoting Padre: http://bit.ly/5e5rEh
08:05 Hyppolit svn: r9501 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9501
08:05 Hyppolit link to new blog entry
08:05 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
08:06 szabgab SvenDowideit__, maybe a daily report of number of commit and number of test reports would be nice and could get the attention if the test reports are low
08:14 SvenDowideit__ depends - mostly on who you want subscribing to the mailing list :)
08:19 szabgab anyone knows how to get Padre listed on http://software.informer.com/get​free-best-perl-ide-for-windows/ ?
08:19 szabgab I have registered on the website but could not find a way to submit a link or anything
08:38 zamolxes http://www.softpedia.com/ge​t/Programming/File-Editors/
08:41 zamolxes http://www.alexa.com/topsites/categor​y/Top/Computers/Software/Directories
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09:07 zamolxes szabgab: about your blog post, maybe doing a facebook page is more useful?
09:08 szabgab I really have no idea how to use Facebook
09:08 szabgab do you mean to register a user for Padre ?
09:08 zamolxes neither am I, but my wife managed to make a 'Page' for her website in 2 minutes, I'll ask her :)
09:08 szabgab thanks :-)
09:09 zamolxes yeah, pages are like users , but they have 'fans' not 'friends' and it's actually against their TOS to make a user that is not a real person, but an 'entity' of any sort
09:09 zamolxes and if you're a 'fan' you see all the updates there, you can setup a rss import or twitter import on the page
09:10 zamolxes and most cool, if people 'like' something on a 'page', their 'friends' see that in their feed
09:10 szabgab wait, I don't understand
09:10 zamolxes http://www.facebook.com/pages/create.php
09:11 zamolxes just folow the steps, i'll be the first fan :)
09:12 zamolxes a group is 'several people with common interests', they can communicate and do stuff, similar to an yahoo/google group
09:12 zamolxes a page is an 'official image'  for a product/artist/company/website
09:13 szabgab http://www.facebook.com/pages/P​adre-the-Perl-IDE/339692600386
09:14 zamolxes ok, and now we're two
09:14 zamolxes the 'info' block should be completed. like url, description etc
09:14 szabgab I'll check that, updating blog post now
09:15 szabgab do you have a blog or a home page?
09:16 zamolxes wiz.ro is fine i guess
09:18 szabgab ty, blog updated
09:18 zamolxes don't forget to add the butterfly :)
09:19 zamolxes hrm, i'll ask my wife how she set up aggregation , so you can add http://blogs.padre.perlide.org/
09:20 zamolxes google mentioned this http://iriskao.com/?p=285 don't know if it's the best way :)
09:21 zamolxes seems not
09:21 zamolxes http://www.facebook.com/apps/a​pplication.php?id=23798139265
09:22 waxhead szabgab, OK.. so with the release... am I to have people test it before uploading to CPAN?
09:22 waxhead I'll run release with --tag this time...
09:22 szabgab waxhead, once you ran the build with --tag
09:22 waxhead szabgab, do I have the rights to upload Padre?
09:23 szabgab you get the tar.gz file
09:23 szabgab try it yourself
09:23 szabgab then upload somewhere and ask here ppl to test it
09:23 szabgab but you can already upload to pause as well
09:23 szabgab you have the right, it just wont' index it :-)
09:23 szabgab what is your pause id ?
09:24 waxhead ok then... I'm going to run with tag.. any translators want to get in for this release?
09:24 waxhead plaven
09:24 waxhead szabgab, plavan
09:24 waxhead szabgab, plaven
09:25 szabgab waxhead, don't wait for them any more
09:25 szabgab just do it
09:26 szabgab in the meantime I gave you co-mainship
09:26 waxhead cool...
09:26 szabgab I hope for everything needed
09:26 waxhead 0.51 to pause tonight!
09:26 szabgab but PAUSE will send you and e-mail telling you
09:26 szabgab is that now ?
09:27 szabgab zamolxes, I am trying to figure out how to add the image to the page
09:32 zamolxes ok, so I'm playing with padre quite a lot, but don't have the heart to give up vim when actually working. The question is: what do I do with all my "test/play" results? compile a long list and send it to the list? etc
09:32 zamolxes they're not very important as so they qualify as bugs, and maybe some are by-design and I'm using it wrong etc
09:33 zamolxes example: running with f5 leaves me in the output panel , I need to click back to the editor or tab-tab-tab , if I have an error it doesn't send me back to the referred line :)
09:33 Hyppolit svn: r9502 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9502
09:33 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.51
09:33 Hyppolit tags/
09:34 zamolxes this is just one, i have dozens of things
09:34 waxhead ok.. release is now done and tagged and on the web site... I'm going to upload it to PAUSE now
09:37 szabgab zamolxes, even if you think it is by design but it is not conveninet for you you could file a bug as probably others have similar feeling so we might need to make the behavior configurable
09:38 szabgab I'd prefer them to be filed one-by one if you have the energy and time to do that
09:38 szabgab and you can mark them as feature requests if you don't think they are bugs
09:38 szabgab waxhead, great
09:39 zamolxes szabgab: I think a group conversation about some of them would be better, don't kow
09:39 szabgab yes, unfortunatelly we don't do many such conversations
09:39 zamolxes for instance , the help menu , it sais 'f1 - context help' ,'f2 - help search' but I feel f2 is context help
09:39 szabgab you can file a report and ten initiate a discussion on the mailing list
09:39 szabgab that was changed in 0.51 :-)
09:40 szabgab F2 is now "context help"
09:40 zamolxes other, f2 on DBIx::Class doesn't work, but on Data::Dumper it does (only indexes core packages?)
09:40 zamolxes you know :)
09:40 szabgab IMHO the two should be integrated
09:41 szabgab F1 and F2 I mean
09:41 szabgab and we might even have ticket already but needs to be checked
09:42 zamolxes the help needs history (back/forward)
09:42 zamolxes ok, I can stop now
09:42 zamolxes :)
09:42 zamolxes just a few samples
09:42 szabgab they should all be in trac, if they are not there yet
09:42 szabgab and then you should fix them :-)
09:43 zamolxes that's what I wanted to say
09:43 zamolxes I could fix them, but not until I use it full time, otherwise I just wouldn't have the motivation
09:43 szabgab oh finally I managed to set the butterfly as the image of the facebook page
09:43 zamolxes also, I have no idea how to code i padre, or where to start
09:44 szabgab the menu options are listed in Padre::Wx::Menu
09:44 zamolxes never did GUI programming. well except that one time, but I don't want to talk about it :)
09:44 szabgab but they are actually all actions now in the Padre::Actions::* namespace
09:44 zamolxes i see
09:44 szabgab you can start from there and follow what happens to a call
09:44 zamolxes oh, btw, is there a plan to make shortcut keys configurable?
09:44 szabgab yes
09:45 szabgab and if you are really a vi junkie then you can try to fix the vi plugin
09:45 szabgab and make it actually usable
09:45 zamolxes and also make every useful option have its own key? you know, most of us don't really own a mouse :)
09:45 zamolxes but can't we integrate the real vim?
09:46 szabgab I don't think we can
09:46 szabgab or that it would be useful
09:46 zamolxes i love what pida did http://pida.co.uk/
09:46 szabgab rindolf made some research on the subject
09:47 szabgab you know, I am not against it, but I am not sure if it is really possible
09:47 zamolxes or in what way it will hurt the rest of padre
09:48 szabgab it will need to be a plugin
09:48 szabgab as it might not be platform independent
09:48 zamolxes yeah, obviously
09:48 szabgab but in any case it needs to be a plugin
09:48 szabgab if you take the time to check that I am sure many people will be happy
09:50 zamolxes will try my best
09:51 zamolxes although I'm not yet a user, i'm a huge fan and recommend it to anyone :) Now if I could just write in an organised fashion why I'm not yet an user, and get them fixed somehow, I feel I will cover the problems many others saw
09:53 zamolxes in the 's///' help page, the link to perlop is not working, it generates perlop/Regexp%20Quote-Like%20Operators
09:53 zamolxes szabgab: so for bug reporting / features requests, I should always be using latest svn?
09:55 szabgab zamolxes, it is not a requirement but things change fast sometimes
09:55 szabgab I did not understand the s/// issue, which help page?
09:55 zamolxes i'm thinking the spellcheckr should only look in strings, POD and comments, identifiers rarely are valid english
09:56 zamolxes szabgab: that's the name of the page, 's///'
09:56 zamolxes the content is The substitution operator. See "Regexp Quote-Like Operators" in perlop. , and the link after See is not working
09:56 zamolxes but anyhow, this is just an example
09:58 szabgab please file those as bugs
09:58 szabgab or they will get forgotten here on the channel
09:58 szabgab I certainly cannot remember things more than 5 minutes
09:59 szabgab trying to create a pad file now for uploading padre to the servers listing various shareware software
09:59 zamolxes yes, of course, that's why I said 'just examples' ;)
10:00 zamolxes szabgab: would it be ok to compile a long list, push it to the mailing list, wait 1-3 days for various feedback, just then create the tickets?
10:00 szabgab sure
10:00 zamolxes i'm really afraid i'll be touching a lot of known issues or whatever
10:01 szabgab waxhead, http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Release_History
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10:07 waxhead hey Sewi
10:07 waxhead szabgab, yeah, i was already editting it...
10:07 waxhead check it out...
10:07 waxhead also, it's been announced on the dev list and I've blogged about it...
10:08 waxhead szabgab, according to the release notes I now have to: ask Gabor to copy to  http://perlide.org/download/source/
10:08 waxhead :)
10:09 szabgab where is it now?
10:09 waxhead what?
10:09 waxhead the file ?
10:10 waxhead it's been uploaded to pause
10:10 szabgab yes
10:10 szabgab and is it on your server somewhere so I can copy it ?
10:10 waxhead same URL as before
10:11 waxhead http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.51.tar.gz
10:11 szabgab so how do I know that this is the old 0.51 or the new one ?
10:11 waxhead what about the PPM version?
10:11 szabgab we don't build it now
10:12 waxhead it's the new one.. I replaced it.. it's the same revision as before
10:12 szabgab someone should fully automate it
10:12 waxhead the PPM version?
10:12 szabgab so the fix to the Changes file did not go in, right ?
10:12 szabgab someone needs to fully automate the ppm building if we want it to work
10:13 waxhead oh.. duh...
10:13 waxhead bugger.. no it wouldn't have...
10:13 szabgab copied to http://perlide.org/download/source/
10:13 waxhead sorry about that...
10:13 szabgab no problem
10:13 waxhead next time I'll get it right...
10:13 waxhead happy to do it again...
10:13 waxhead practice makes perfect
10:14 szabgab but this is one of the reasons I never share a zip file that was not built with the --tag file
10:14 szabgab and once I shared it I will not change it
10:14 waxhead good point... I'll make sure I do it next time...
10:14 szabgab if something needs to go into the release that will lead to a new version number
10:14 szabgab even if that is a pain
10:15 Sewi Hi wax & all
10:15 waxhead in the case of the changes file though, it's a bit much given that the date was orginally set on friday night went I started all this off...
10:15 szabgab anyway, I really appreciate your work that went into releasing Padre
10:16 szabgab and the whole idea of having a release manager for a few weeks is that practice makes it easier
10:16 waxhead it wasn't too hard this time.. it was just the pain of getting a platform that would work... the critic errors wouldn't allow me to build it on my other laptop..
10:16 waxhead and then I had to install everything on a clean laptop.. thanks to a child who is currently banned from using it.. :)
10:16 waxhead so that was most of today trying to get that working....
10:17 Sewi As far as I understand your conversation: We are released!
10:17 waxhead it's been busy weekend.. kids and sports and birthdays....
10:17 waxhead and a Padre release... 0.51
10:17 Sewi It looks like some of the last netsplits killed the channel topic. Does anybody of you still see it? Could you re-set it, please?
10:18 waxhead Sewi, yes.. it's uploaded to PAUSE and mentioned on the dev list... I've blogged about it, so it should hit the Padre blog aggregator soonish (if it's picking up my blog ).
10:18 waxhead Sewi, I'm seeing it.. it needs to be updated with Padre 0.51
10:18 szabgab waxhead, in any case add it to the about page
10:20 Sewi waxhead: Could you update it, please?
10:20 waxhead ok...
10:20 waxhead in a bit, trying to find the about page!
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10:24 Hyppolit svn: r9503 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9503
10:24 Hyppolit add pad file
10:24 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/documentroot/
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10:25 Hyppolit svn: r9504 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9504
10:25 Hyppolit fix xml
10:25 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/documentroot/
10:32 Hyppolit svn: r9505 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9505
10:32 Hyppolit Add garu's editor page change hook
10:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:34 Sewi szabgab: still here?
10:34 szabgab ye
10:34 Hyppolit svn: r9506 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9506
10:34 Hyppolit add link to pad file
10:34 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/documentroot/
10:35 Sewi The Plugin hook handler loops through all plugins currently, looking for active ones, can()'ing the hook to check if a plugin supports it.
10:37 Sewi This is the more stable, but slower way. I'd like to hear your opinion on another way: Each plugin could register for each hook it supports. They're pushed onto on array per hook and the handler only loops through this array calling all plugins listed there.
10:37 szabgab I am not familiar with that code
10:37 szabgab maybe Alias is
10:37 Sewi It would be faster but a plugin could be disabled or otherwise go out-of-usage without un-registering itself first which would led into bad array entries.
10:39 zamolxes <Application_Screenshot_URL>http://padre.perlide.org/screenshots.html</Application_Screenshot_URL>
10:39 zamolxes shouldn't this be an image? (never heard of pad before now, but it sounds like a 'screenshot' url)
10:41 Hyppolit svn: r9507 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9507
10:41 Hyppolit replace link to screenshot imagepad.xml
10:41 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/documentroot/
10:41 szabgab zamolxes, thanks for noticing
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10:43 szabgab Sewi, you owe us a beer or a unit test :-)
10:43 Hyppolit svn: r9508 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9508
10:43 Hyppolit Update for release 0.51
10:43 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
10:43 Sewi szabgab: Already fixed, just re-running make test before commit :-)
10:48 szabgab waxhead, one note, regarding your post
10:48 waxhead what's the perl critic module called?
10:48 waxhead yes?
10:48 szabgab you don't have a single link to the padre web site or to cpan
10:48 szabgab or to the changes file
10:48 waxhead yeah, well I'd have linked to the changes file if it was on cpan
10:48 waxhead it's not
10:48 szabgab link to the svn repository then
10:49 waxhead oh.. good point
10:49 szabgab and if you have time link the names of the committers to their own blogs or web sites
10:50 szabgab that would increase the linkage among our web sites
10:50 Sewi waxhead: was  "make clean" the solution?
10:50 waxhead right.. in that case then we need a list of people to blogs...
10:51 waxhead Sewi, nope.. solution was to use another computer, set everything up ( read the logs from today to see the problems I had with that! :)  ) and NOT install critic
10:51 waxhead szabgab, I'll work on the suggestions though
10:51 szabgab waxhead, maybe create a wiki page with that info
10:52 Sewi Still strange that the other one didn't work.
10:52 szabgab you can take some from my previous blogs about the releases
10:52 Sewi waxhead++; # for being release man
10:53 Hyppolit svn: r9509 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9509
10:53 Hyppolit Fixed badcode warning
10:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:53 waxhead Sewi, yeah, strange and frustrating..  :)
10:53 waxhead two very late nights and no sleep ins for it..
10:54 waxhead is the channel title a MOTD?
10:54 waxhead nope... it would be a topic.. :)
10:55 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.51, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
10:57 Hyppolit svn: r9510 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9510
10:57 Hyppolit Perl tidy
10:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
10:58 waxhead szabgab, my blog isn't appearing on http://blogs.padre.perlide.org/
10:58 waxhead noticed that once before too
11:03 Hyppolit svn: r9511 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9511
11:03 Hyppolit update atom feed of waxhead
11:03 Hyppolit trunk/blogs.padre.perlide.org/data/
11:03 szabgab let's try this one
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11:04 szabgab actually I checked it again and I see that your feed sometimes is updating but sometimes it is not
11:04 waxhead yeah.. it's flakey..
11:05 szabgab anyway I replaced the feed url we need to wait some time till the cron job kicks in
11:05 waxhead so, who's going to post to the other high viz blog sites?
11:05 waxhead ok...
11:06 szabgab is you blog in ironman?
11:07 szabgab http://twitter.com/szabgab/status/6397352895
11:08 szabgab and submitted to reddit
11:09 szabgab go and upvote http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/
11:10 waxhead szabgab, no it's not
11:10 waxhead padre 0.51 is now indexed...
11:11 szabgab then ask it to be added
11:11 waxhead I guess it means it's going to show up on cpan shortly...
11:11 waxhead szabgab, I don't have enough to write about :)
11:11 szabgab there is a channel #epo-ironman where you can ask to be added
11:11 szabgab don't worry
11:11 szabgab they won't kick you out if you don't write
11:11 szabgab only I thin 10-15 write regularry
11:12 szabgab and you can easily get added to http://perlsphere.net  as well
11:12 szabgab and if you only write once in a while that's ok
11:15 Hyppolit #782: warning when no locale found on Windows (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/782 ]
11:19 Hyppolit #782: warning when no locale found on Windows (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/782#comment:1 ]
11:25 szabgab waxhead, hello !?
11:30 waxhead hello
11:32 waxhead szabgab, what's up?
11:32 waxhead going to bed shortly... work tomorrow
11:33 waxhead please don't tell me there's a problem.. :(
11:34 szabgab I am just trying to get your blog to be in the aggregators
11:34 szabgab so even if you only write rarely people will have a chance to see it
11:43 waxhead szabgab, phew.. cool..
11:43 waxhead I'm off to bed...
11:43 waxhead nite
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12:24 Hyppolit svn: r9512 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9512
12:24 Hyppolit Re-enabled DirectoryBrowser changes after release
12:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
12:32 Hyppolit svn: r9513 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9513
12:32 Hyppolit Enabled debugging of use of uninitilized value $1 in Util
12:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
12:57 Hyppolit svn: r9514 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9514
12:57 Hyppolit Show the revision valid at Padre start, not the current one
12:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:01 Hyppolit svn: r9515 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9515
13:01 Hyppolit Perl tidy
13:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
13:03 Hyppolit svn: r9516 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9516
13:03 Hyppolit Updated Changes
13:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
13:55 szabgab cool pictures from OSDC in Australia http://popcorn.cx/blog/2009/12/osdc2009-wrap-up/
14:13 Sewi We should add something to run the source-tests (for example badcode, beginner, critic) only only on changed_but_not_committed files.
14:14 Hyppolit svn: r9517 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9517
14:14 Hyppolit dev.pl now accepts Padre's command line options (again)
14:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/script/
14:32 szabgab Sewi, or you could supply the arguments after an --
14:33 szabgab or that did not work for dev.pl ?
14:33 Sewi It should have worked but it wasn't as it used to be.
14:34 Sewi (And I came to the -- idea after nearly everything was finished :) )
14:34 szabgab Alias broke it, yes
14:34 szabgab why didn't you ask here?
14:35 Sewi Sorry.
14:35 Sewi tried to bring back the former state.
14:35 szabgab the problem is now we will have to maintain the list of command line flags in dev.pl too
14:36 Sewi Yes, I don't like this, too.
14:36 Sewi Maybe not using getopts in dev.pl was the better way at all.
14:36 szabgab I did not like the change Alias made - as it broke a test - but I think in the end that is the better solution
14:36 szabgab as that way no conflict between params of dev.pl and that of padre itself
14:37 szabgab now you cannoth use the same option in both
14:37 szabgab so the earlier solution was not really the correct one
14:37 szabgab IMHO
14:37 Sewi Oh, there is a double-used option: --help|--usage show all possible options from both scripts.
14:38 Sewi You want me to revert the change?
14:39 szabgab I think that would be the right decision, and explain that the way to use dev.pl is to write -- before the options that should be passed to padre
14:40 szabgab do I understand correctly that
14:40 Hyppolit svn: r9518 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9518
14:40 Hyppolit Fixed enabling/disabling menu options on-the-fly
14:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
14:40 szabgab dev.pl --help   shows the help f dev.pl
14:40 szabgab and
14:40 szabgab dev.pl -- --help
14:40 szabgab would show the help of padre
14:40 Sewi dev.pl help and padre help
14:40 szabgab no -- ?
14:41 Sewi Sure, both with --, I just let them out in irc
14:41 szabgab perl dev.pl --help  gives me Undefined subroutine &main::usage called at dev.pl line 24.
14:42 Sewi This was before the last commit.
14:42 Sewi Alias moved the parsing into a begin block including a => sub { usage(); } but usage wasn't defined at this time.
14:46 Hyppolit svn: r9519 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9519
14:46 Hyppolit dev.pl accepts Padre options following a standalone -- now
14:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
14:46 Sewi svn up and run dev.pl --help
14:54 szabgab thanks
14:54 szabgab now I am trying to understand this code again
14:54 szabgab I am not sure I get the $DEBUG thing there
14:54 szabgab IMHO now that we can pass options directly to padre we don't need that flag any more for dev.pl
14:55 szabgab wrong
14:55 szabgab sorry
14:55 Sewi I think debug runs padre using the perl debugger
14:55 szabgab the -d is a flag of perl not that of padre
14:56 szabgab and does the trace flag really do something?
14:56 Sewi Many Plugin warnings are gone after installing a big list of additional cpan modules.
14:59 Hyppolit svn: r9520 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9520
14:59 Hyppolit Removed a strict - warning
14:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-EmacsMode/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-EmacsMode/lib/Padre/Plugin/
15:05 Hyppolit svn: r9521 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9521
15:05 Hyppolit Removed strict warning
15:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/lib/Padre/Plugin/
15:06 Sewi Sorry for the small commit wave, but they're all from different plugins
15:12 Hyppolit svn: r9522 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9522
15:12 Hyppolit Use Win32 module only on Win32
15:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-GUITest/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-GUITest/lib/Padre/Plugin/
15:16 Sewi Removed all warnings from Plugins on Padre startup :-)
15:17 szabgab good and good
15:20 Sewi I'ld like to set #750 to "blocker" because it's very bad and really needs to get fixed. I tried but failed as it seems to require Wx debugging :-(
15:20 Hyppolit #750: tab / ctrl+tab do not work anymore (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/750#comment:5 ]
15:26 Sewi Next request-for-comments: Ctrl-Tab and Ctrl-Shift-Tab move through tabs in the oder they have been visited in many programs. I'ld like to make Padre do this, too and add Alt-Left_Arrow and Alt-Right_Arrow for moving to the neighbor tab.
15:27 Sewi Alt-Right and Alt-Left work even if Ctrl-Tab currently doesn't.
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15:30 Sewi hi tsee
15:30 tsee hi
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15:36 Sewi Hi explorer
15:39 explorer Hi!
15:43 explorer I have problems with utf8 coding.
15:43 Sewi Within file content?
15:44 explorer Yes. Padre v0.50. Linux OpenSuse 10.3, LANG environment: es_ES.UTF-8. Code with utf8 active.
15:45 Sewi What happens?
15:45 explorer I type 'á', but the code window show 'á'
15:47 Sewi Strange, I thought Padre treads all files as UTF.
15:47 Sewi Could you open a trac ticket on this, please?
15:47 szabgab IMHO we have issues with the editor window
15:47 szabgab and I think we even have tickets for this
15:47 szabgab but please check
15:48 Sewi szabgab: I know #781 for unicode filenames but I don't know all tickets :-)
15:48 Hyppolit #781: Unicode should not be used for accessing file system (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/781 ]
15:55 szabgab this is quite an old issue
15:56 szabgab we never manged to find out the source of it
15:56 szabgab I think you cannot type all the German characters either
15:56 szabgab I know I have issues with some Hungarian characters
15:57 szabgab let alone Hebrew and RTL writing
15:58 explorer If I modify the code outside of Padre, it load the new code and render utf8 chars correctly.
15:58 Sewi Most German chars are ASCII, but I could also use the euro-char in padre which is utf
15:59 Sewi explorer: I had similar issues with SuSE using bash and mcedit.
15:59 szabgab explorer, and I think you can type the UTF characters in the various dialogs
15:59 szabgab just the editor is broken I think
15:59 szabgab which I think means that the specific version Scintilla is brokent
16:00 szabgab maybe you could try to build with the 2.9 line of wxWidgets and see if that solves the problem
16:00 szabgab and we should talk to Mattia and maybe the other wxPerl people to try to solve the problem
16:07 szabgab I see I can really turn off people here :-(
16:08 Hyppolit svn: r9523 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9523
16:08 Hyppolit Alt-Left and Alt-Right for next/prev tab and Ctrl-Tab/Ctrl-Shift-Tab for last-/oldest-used tab (as soon as #750 is solved)
16:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
16:08 Sewi Hyppolit: resists :-)
16:08 tsee wxWidgets hacking is not for the faint of heart.
16:10 explorer I will try Padre v0.51...
16:10 szabgab explorer, I don't want to disappoint you but I don't think the issues is in Padre
16:12 explorer One moment... I will try with OpenSuse 11.2 and Perl v5.10, now (another computer)
16:17 szabgab #353
16:17 Hyppolit #353: Wide (UTF-8) characters cannot be input at start of a line (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/353#comment:5 ]
16:18 szabgab and I still have this problem now
16:18 Hyppolit svn: r9524 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9524
16:18 Hyppolit Fixed a double } introduced by last commit
16:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
16:21 Hyppolit svn: r9525 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9525
16:21 Hyppolit Perl tidy
16:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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20:21 jferrero Project directory '' does not exist at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/Padre.pm line 252
20:22 Sewi hi
20:22 Sewi Which Padre version and OS?
20:22 jferrero Padre v0.51, Linux OpenSuse 11.2
20:23 Sewi Thanks. What did you do before you got the error?
20:23 jferrero no...
20:24 Sewi Did it appear immed. after Padre start?
20:25 jferrero After the first run, after click on View->Layout
20:26 jferrero solved if I rm -rf ~/.padre
20:26 jferrero no... :( It crash another time I choice an option for view menu.
20:27 Sewi Do you have any file open?
20:27 jferrero yes: padre kk.pl
20:27 Sewi Could you put an empty "padre.yml" in that dir?
20:28 jferrero aaggg!!! It run Ok with View->Results and View->Functions, but no View->layout
20:28 jferrero I try...
20:29 jferrero no... with padre.yml, Padre crash...
20:31 Sewi Hmm, this doesn't make sense to me. Could you try another Perl file, please?
20:31 jferrero hey! If I run padre with no arguments, run.
20:32 jferrero Crash: Use of uninitialized value in sprintf at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 3244. Project directory '' does not exist at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/Padre.pm line 252
20:36 jferrero Sewi, I solved it... I loaded a source with modules not installed in the SO.
20:36 Sewi SO?
20:37 jferrero OS?, pardon
20:37 jferrero OS
20:37 jferrero after cpan common::sense, padre run Ok
20:42 jferrero Sewi, szabgab : Linux OpenSuse 11.2 64bits, $LANG es_ES.UTF-8, Padre v0.51, utf8 encoding, run Ok with utf8 chars.
20:43 Sewi Also if the utf char is the first one on a line?
20:43 jferrero one moment...
20:43 jferrero yes, no problems.
20:44 Sewi Would you like to add this news to ticket #353?
20:44 Hyppolit #353: Wide (UTF-8) characters cannot be input at start of a line (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/353#comment:5 ]
20:44 jferrero Ok.
20:45 Sewi Do you have a trac account?
20:46 jferrero Yes: explorer
20:46 Sewi ok
20:46 Sewi thanks
20:49 Hyppolit #353: Wide (UTF-8) characters cannot be input at start of a line (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/353#comment:6 ]
20:55 * Alias apologises for unintended breakages in dev.pl
20:56 Sewi Alias: The menu item refresh is also fixed.
20:56 Alias BTW, I've started implementing Template::Tiny
20:56 Alias So that we can start doing smarter new-file generation
20:57 Alias Without 2.2meg * thread-count memory cost of using real TT
20:57 Alias Righto, I'm outa here
20:57 Alias I'm at a usability training course for the next two days
20:58 Sewi Have fun and promote Padre ;-)
20:58 Alias It's not a Perl course :)
20:58 Alias It's for web designers and "information architects"
20:59 Alias blah blah blah
20:59 Sewi Padre is not perl-only.
20:59 Alias It's Perl-mostly
20:59 Alias For now
20:59 Sewi There are HTML and CSS plugins.
20:59 Alias Nothing compelling about Padre compared to Dreamweaver, which you just know 99% of people will be using
21:00 Sewi Teach them Perl and make them improve the HTML and CSS plugins :)
21:46 Hyppolit #353: Wide (UTF-8) characters cannot be input at start of a line (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/353#comment:7 ]
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