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zombie_submersible |
braaaains |
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zombie_submersible |
hi all |
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Alias |
http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/40049 |
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* waxhead |
is upgrading to new mythbuntu... |
| 00:55 |
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waxhead |
sort of in and out... |
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waxhead |
lots of pain to be felt yet I think... :( |
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Alias |
in and out? |
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* Alias |
sends mail on locking system to mailing list |
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waxhead |
oh.. in and out of IRC... |
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waxhead |
'floating' |
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waxhead |
so to speak |
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Alias |
ah |
| 01:00 |
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waxhead |
any major issues iwth 0.53 reported or seen yet? |
| 01:00 |
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Alias |
Just the one for me |
| 01:00 |
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Alias |
If you close all files, the function list dissappears... and doesn't come back :( |
| 01:00 |
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Alias |
Which is almost certainly my fault somehow |
| 01:01 |
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waxhead |
:) |
| 01:02 |
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waxhead |
ok.. I'll read that a bit later.. for now I'm under the pump, I must get this mediacentre rebuilt and working before anyone comes home |
| 01:02 |
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Alias |
I touched a lot of that kind of code in the last week or two |
| 01:02 |
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waxhead |
WAF is low enough as it is... |
| 01:02 |
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waxhead |
I suspect you did.. |
| 01:02 |
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* waxhead |
is really ticked off that 802.11n isn't working very well |
| 01:03 |
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waxhead |
have to go back to G speeds |
| 01:03 |
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Alias |
G? |
| 01:03 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 01:03 |
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waxhead |
but at least that's working well enough that tv guide data will be able to be downloaded |
| 01:13 |
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Alias |
I find this idea that it takes a whole day to set up a Television kind of funny |
| 01:13 |
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Alias |
For the equivalent amount of billable hours, you could buy TWO Tivos :) |
| 01:20 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9939 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9939 |
| 01:20 |
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Hyppolit |
Add an extra refresh lock |
| 01:20 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
| 01:21 |
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waxhead |
Alias, sure, if you think that every hour of your own is billable... |
| 01:22 |
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waxhead |
my free time is just that free... |
| 01:22 |
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zombie_submersible |
waxhead: you still have a carbon cost burning your own free time :) |
| 01:22 |
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waxhead |
yes I could buy a tivo and be done with it, but then I'm also locked in... I don't think it should be too hard to get things back this time around... |
| 01:22 |
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waxhead |
rather than sitting around farting all day? |
| 01:22 |
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waxhead |
:) |
| 01:23 |
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* zombie_submersible |
curses and swears blue murder @ the work test-suite |
| 01:24 |
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waxhead |
the upside of the mythtv thing is once it's up and running, it just runs... |
| 01:24 |
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waxhead |
didn't miss a single round of the V8's... |
| 01:24 |
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waxhead |
the major pain has been the 802.11n support... it just doesn't work so well.. for now, I'm running in G |
| 01:25 |
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waxhead |
makes coping big files to the mediacentre a bit slow.. |
| 01:26 |
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waxhead |
I've got an interesting problem at the moment in that the resolution is outside of the viewable screen... >:-( |
| 01:28 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9940 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9940 |
| 01:28 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
| 01:29 |
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Alias |
OK, Function List fixed |
| 01:29 |
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Alias |
zombie_submersible: 10-12 kilowatts specifically |
| 01:29 |
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zombie_submersible |
Alias: so the smoke tests succeeded for AU this morning.... |
| 01:29 |
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Alias |
woot |
| 01:30 |
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Alias |
That's something at least |
| 01:30 |
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zombie_submersible |
but w/ ~80% degradation in loading catitems |
| 01:30 |
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Alias |
wow |
| 01:30 |
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Alias |
Where's it coming from? LivePrice? |
| 01:30 |
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Alias |
oh wait, it can't |
| 01:30 |
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Alias |
AU |
| 01:30 |
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zombie_submersible |
with and without prices |
| 01:30 |
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Alias |
huh, how the hell |
| 01:31 |
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zombie_submersible |
I'm thinking we're contending w/ other processes and the bench is skewed |
| 01:31 |
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zombie_submersible |
_HOPING_ |
| 01:31 |
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* Alias |
continues to bang his head against the Aspect changes |
| 01:31 |
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Alias |
I'm winning, but it's rather a war of attrition |
| 01:32 |
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Alias |
I think... |
| 01:33 |
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Alias |
Still haven't tried to implement after() returning yet |
| 01:33 |
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Alias |
sigh |
| 01:37 |
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kthakore |
hi Alias |
| 01:40 |
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Alias |
heya |
| 01:40 |
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kthakore |
Alias: so um that test was with 4 files open for speed |
| 01:41 |
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kthakore |
Alias: for more accuracy I was wondering if I can put a die somewhere |
| 01:41 |
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kthakore |
so it does time to same point of exit? |
| 01:41 |
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Alias |
what test? |
| 01:41 |
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kthakore |
Alias: for new speed stuff |
| 01:41 |
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Alias |
All I did was run dev.pl -p and quickly open, by hand, 10 or 20 files |
| 01:42 |
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Alias |
Then as soon as they load, hit the window close button to quit |
| 01:42 |
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kthakore |
ah ... same here but that is not accurate |
| 01:42 |
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Alias |
Then when you read the profiler data, just ignore Wx::main_loop and Wx::Dialog::Modal |
| 01:42 |
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kthakore |
ah that would be right |
| 01:42 |
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kthakore |
ok let me try that too |
| 01:42 |
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kthakore |
Alias: also I notice that Debug has unjoined perl threads on exit |
| 01:43 |
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kthakore |
that stick around on windows |
| 01:43 |
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Alias |
Everything ELSE other than those two _should_ be CPU bound, or at least wallclock will be important |
| 01:43 |
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kthakore |
have you noticed that too? |
| 01:43 |
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Alias |
er, no... |
| 01:43 |
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Alias |
What do you mean Debug? |
| 01:43 |
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Alias |
Padre::Debug thing? |
| 01:43 |
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kthakore |
Alias: um sorry the new Debug that szabgab made |
| 01:44 |
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Alias |
He made a new debug? :) |
| 01:44 |
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Alias |
I thought he just renamed it |
| 01:44 |
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kthakore |
no I dunno ... I meant the new gui features to debug your prgams |
| 01:45 |
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kthakore |
not sure what it is called |
| 01:45 |
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kthakore |
it leaves threads running eating my memorary on winxp |
| 01:45 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 01:45 |
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Alias |
Debug(ger) |
| 01:45 |
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kthakore |
right |
| 01:45 |
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Alias |
I DID see a ->{_debugger_}->quit in the shutdown code |
| 01:46 |
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kthakore |
sorry I am show blazed from studying |
| 01:46 |
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kthakore |
Alias: right but does it join the threads? |
| 01:46 |
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kthakore |
created |
| 01:46 |
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Alias |
No idea whatsoever |
| 01:46 |
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kthakore |
crap ... |
| 01:46 |
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kthakore |
okie |
| 01:46 |
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Alias |
I have completely avoided the threadding code |
| 01:46 |
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kthakore |
lol me too until now |
| 01:46 |
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Alias |
I just do internals and Wx stuff |
| 01:46 |
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kthakore |
I like the debugger |
| 01:46 |
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Alias |
And database... and config... |
| 01:46 |
|
Alias |
etc :) |
| 01:47 |
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Alias |
But yeah, threading is tsee's baby |
| 01:47 |
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kthakore |
meh ... I guess I could overlook it as alpha buggery |
| 01:47 |
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Alias |
Zombie threads aren't a small thing |
| 01:47 |
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kthakore |
but it bugs me ... sometimes I wish I was stupid |
| 01:47 |
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Alias |
But it IS the first release of the feature |
| 01:47 |
|
Alias |
And new features are allowed to suck |
| 01:47 |
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kthakore |
Alias: right |
| 01:48 |
|
kthakore |
Alias: I will bug them if it is still around in Feb |
| 01:48 |
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kthakore |
:) |
| 01:48 |
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Alias |
Or January.... |
| 01:48 |
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kthakore |
whne I can make a manual test case for them |
| 01:48 |
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Alias |
I imagine permanent massive leaking is something that will get fixed fairly quickly |
| 01:48 |
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Alias |
:) |
| 01:48 |
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kthakore |
Alias: hopefully |
| 01:49 |
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Alias |
In the mean time, for me it's back to working on Aspect.pm |
| 01:49 |
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Alias |
And making it actually not suck |
| 01:49 |
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kthakore |
Alias: ok I ran profiler enable dev.pl how do I read the profiler stuff |
| 01:50 |
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Alias |
run nytprofhtml with no param |
| 01:50 |
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kthakore |
kk |
| 01:50 |
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Alias |
Then point your browser at nytprofhtml/index.html |
| 01:50 |
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kthakore |
okie |
| 01:52 |
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kthakore |
Alias: HOLY CRAP! |
| 01:52 |
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kthakore |
Alias: what did you DOOOOOO! |
| 01:52 |
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Alias |
hmm? |
| 01:52 |
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kthakore |
6.3s -> 2.81s on 13 files |
| 01:52 |
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kthakore |
HOW! |
| 01:52 |
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kthakore |
MAGIC |
| 01:52 |
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kthakore |
BLACK MAKIC |
| 01:52 |
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Alias |
So how much do you know about ORLite? |
| 01:53 |
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kthakore |
not much |
| 01:53 |
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kthakore |
don't care yet either |
| 01:53 |
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Alias |
It's meant for making tiny orms to embed inside larger programs |
| 01:53 |
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kthakore |
but good job! |
| 01:53 |
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kthakore |
wth is orm |
| 01:53 |
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Alias |
ORM |
| 01:53 |
|
Alias |
Object Relational Mapping |
| 01:53 |
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Alias |
So it's SQLite specific, and does a lot of connecting |
| 01:54 |
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Alias |
In fact, it connects to the database for every single request |
| 01:54 |
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kthakore |
is that good? |
| 01:54 |
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Alias |
Speed wise, SQlite can do 1000 connections a second |
| 01:54 |
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kthakore |
I might look into it later |
| 01:54 |
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Alias |
So it's nowhere near as a server based sql server |
| 01:54 |
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kthakore |
1000 hz then? |
| 01:54 |
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Alias |
Right |
| 01:54 |
|
Alias |
Although you blow all the caches every connect |
| 01:55 |
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kthakore |
blow means? |
| 01:55 |
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Alias |
But, it does mean that, unlike everything else, ORLite is thread-safe |
| 01:55 |
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kthakore |
well that is nice |
| 01:55 |
|
Alias |
Every time you disconnect, you lose all the disk cache |
| 01:55 |
|
Alias |
And the database has to read everything back into memory again |
| 01:55 |
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kthakore |
OH... that suks |
| 01:55 |
|
Alias |
right |
| 01:55 |
|
Alias |
BUT, threadsafe |
| 01:55 |
|
Alias |
The only one that is |
| 01:55 |
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kthakore |
yeah but it is slow and sucks |
| 01:56 |
|
Alias |
For small embedded stuff, most of the time it's fine |
| 01:56 |
|
Alias |
And ORLite does support transactions |
| 01:56 |
|
Alias |
Just not by default |
| 01:56 |
|
Alias |
Padre::DB->begin; |
| 01:56 |
|
Alias |
etc |
| 01:56 |
|
kthakore |
ok |
| 01:56 |
|
kthakore |
I have seen that |
| 01:56 |
|
kthakore |
now how can I make this usfull for a game? |
| 01:56 |
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Alias |
So I added nestable transactions to this Padre::Locker thing |
| 01:56 |
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kthakore |
right |
| 01:56 |
|
Alias |
And now everything in Padre uses transactions properly |
| 01:57 |
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kthakore |
transactions prevent the blow stuff? |
| 01:57 |
|
Alias |
right, they keep all the page cache in memory |
| 01:57 |
|
Alias |
And delay writing the results to disk |
| 01:57 |
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kthakore |
oh so that is good then |
| 01:57 |
|
Alias |
So much much faster |
| 01:57 |
|
kthakore |
so you implemented a buffer |
| 01:57 |
|
Alias |
Not as good as native async SQlite, but much much faster |
| 01:57 |
|
kthakore |
like cpu cache to disk |
| 01:57 |
|
Alias |
Yeah, not really transactions, we never ever do a rollback |
| 01:57 |
|
Alias |
But it holds changes in memory, and then writes the changes to disk at controlled strategic points |
| 01:58 |
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kthakore |
meh it makes my padre faster so hugs! |
| 01:58 |
|
Alias |
Usually just after it's made a visual change |
| 01:58 |
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kthakore |
AH! |
| 01:58 |
|
Alias |
In the gap between when the screen changes and your brain catches up |
| 01:58 |
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kthakore |
that is smart! |
| 01:58 |
|
Alias |
Same trick applies to refreshing stuff |
| 01:58 |
|
kthakore |
this would be good for data driven games! |
| 01:58 |
|
Alias |
The same lock stuff now accumulates all the fresh commands until the top lock expires |
| 01:58 |
|
Alias |
fresh -> refresh |
| 01:59 |
|
Alias |
So you open 10 files and it only does menu refresh etc once at the end |
| 01:59 |
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kthakore |
Alias: is there a module for this you are thinking of making? |
| 01:59 |
|
Alias |
At the moment, it's highly Padre specific |
| 01:59 |
|
Alias |
Because it has to know the relationship between several types of lock |
| 01:59 |
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kthakore |
Alias: right so can I learn this from you over a few months and make a module? |
| 01:59 |
|
Alias |
http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/40049 |
| 02:00 |
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kthakore |
Alias: kk |
| 02:00 |
|
Alias |
There's my post on the new lock API |
| 02:00 |
|
kthakore |
Alias: this would be good for card like games |
| 02:00 |
|
Alias |
The part for the database, I'll probably remove from Padre and make an ORLite extension |
| 02:00 |
|
kthakore |
where lots of data needs to be held |
| 02:00 |
|
kthakore |
also RPG and so on |
| 02:00 |
|
Alias |
Because the Padre::Locker is tied to the main window |
| 02:00 |
|
Alias |
And I need database transactions during startup before it exists |
| 02:01 |
|
kthakore |
Alias: sure ... don't know what that means but I will learn this later |
| 02:01 |
|
Alias |
I also found other big problems |
| 02:01 |
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kthakore |
Alias: make a game and be awes0me like u |
| 02:01 |
|
Alias |
When we were doing the GUI layout, some of the layout functions THOUGHT they were being called from the menu |
| 02:01 |
|
Alias |
And so they were writing the entire config files back out to disk, during the ->new call |
| 02:02 |
|
Alias |
That sucked hard |
| 02:02 |
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kthakore |
LMAO!!! |
| 02:02 |
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kthakore |
is that fixed? |
| 02:02 |
|
Alias |
yeah |
| 02:02 |
|
kthakore |
YAY! |
| 02:02 |
|
Alias |
I also don't maintain the horribly expensive automatic "last session" any more, unless you actually use sessions |
| 02:02 |
|
kthakore |
do I? |
| 02:02 |
|
kthakore |
I have no clue what sessions are in Padre |
| 02:02 |
|
Alias |
Do you have startup behaviour set to "last" or "session" |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
nope |
| 02:03 |
|
Alias |
You know how Firefox remembers the tabs you had open last time |
| 02:03 |
|
Alias |
That's a session |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
ah ok |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
yeah i stopped using that |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
a long time ago |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
it was SLOWWWWW! |
| 02:03 |
|
Alias |
So that makes yours faster too |
| 02:03 |
|
Alias |
It's not as slow any more |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
I will try later |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
where was it in the menu? |
| 02:03 |
|
Alias |
But it was still a feature you were paying for when you weren't using it |
| 02:03 |
|
Alias |
It's in preferences |
| 02:03 |
|
kthakore |
ah ok |
| 02:04 |
|
Alias |
There's a few more things to do still |
| 02:04 |
|
Alias |
We do an Encode::Guess call to detect the encoding |
| 02:04 |
|
Alias |
Which is very expensive, and if you aren't in Japan or Korea it's of dubious value |
| 02:05 |
|
kthakore |
I done see it? |
| 02:05 |
|
Alias |
No?> |
| 02:05 |
|
kthakore |
preference -> behavior |
| 02:05 |
|
Alias |
Behaviour -> open files |
| 02:05 |
|
Alias |
"new", "last", "session" etc |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
nope not there |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
:( |
| 02:06 |
|
Alias |
huh? |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
AH I see it |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
lol |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
that could be layed out better |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
HCI fail |
| 02:06 |
|
Alias |
Toolkit fail |
| 02:06 |
|
Alias |
It's using the original first-generation layout widgets |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
yup |
| 02:06 |
|
Alias |
Which are mostly FAIL by current standards |
| 02:06 |
|
kthakore |
but I forgive for now |
| 02:07 |
|
Alias |
Because it's too hard to hand-write lots of GUI stuff |
| 02:07 |
|
Alias |
I'm slowly adding newer better stuff |
| 02:07 |
|
kthakore |
why not use wx glade like thing what is it called? |
| 02:07 |
|
kthakore |
um ... |
| 02:07 |
|
Alias |
Because it generates shitty Perl code |
| 02:07 |
|
Alias |
I've written an importer now |
| 02:07 |
|
Alias |
But only very recently |
| 02:07 |
|
Alias |
So many things aren't converted |
| 02:08 |
|
kthakore |
http://wxformbuilder.org/ |
| 02:08 |
|
Alias |
Padre::Plugin::wxGlade turns shitty auto-generated-by-Python-programmers Perl code into nicer Padre-style classes |
| 02:08 |
|
kthakore |
ah ak |
| 02:08 |
|
Alias |
It's not perfect yet |
| 02:08 |
|
Alias |
I continue to muck around from time to time |
| 02:08 |
|
kthakore |
ok |
| 02:08 |
|
Alias |
But it's good enough to generate the basic ->new code |
| 02:08 |
|
Alias |
You still need to do the rest by hand though |
| 02:09 |
|
kthakore |
it would be nice to have a perl mode in wxFormBuilder |
| 02:09 |
|
kthakore |
that thing rocks! |
| 02:09 |
|
Alias |
The main program with most Wx generators is they use XRC |
| 02:09 |
|
kthakore |
A padre plugin to come maybe |
| 02:09 |
|
Alias |
Kephra uses it too |
| 02:09 |
|
Alias |
It's a native XML format for GUIs |
| 02:09 |
|
Alias |
For Wx guis |
| 02:09 |
|
Alias |
Unfortunately, it means you have to load 2 more fairly large Wx sub-libraries |
| 02:09 |
|
kthakore |
it is a good way to go for sure |
| 02:10 |
|
Alias |
Wx::XML and Wx::XRC |
| 02:10 |
|
kthakore |
ahhh I see |
| 02:10 |
|
Alias |
And they aren't entirely light |
| 02:10 |
|
Alias |
And they get loaded BEFORE the thread-forking |
| 02:10 |
|
Alias |
Which means the cost gets multiplied |
| 02:10 |
|
kthakore |
oh that will suck |
| 02:10 |
|
Alias |
Because we delay require'ing the regular layout classes, they (theoretically) cost us less |
| 02:11 |
|
Alias |
Once the volume of GUI code gets large enough, it might be worth looking at switching |
| 02:11 |
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kthakore |
right |
| 02:11 |
|
kthakore |
k I gtg |
| 02:11 |
|
Alias |
Or writing some kind of PTK around raw Wx |
| 02:11 |
|
Alias |
later |
| 02:11 |
|
kthakore |
Alias: nice taking to ya |
| 02:11 |
|
kthakore |
go fix more stuff for me |
| 02:11 |
|
kthakore |
:) |
| 02:11 |
|
kthakore |
or and Padre |
| 02:11 |
|
kthakore |
s/or/oh |
| 02:12 |
|
kthakore |
Alias: I will get you in SDL in 2010 just you watch :P |
| 02:12 |
|
Alias |
I just want Frozen :) |
| 02:12 |
|
kthakore |
that will be the gateway drug |
| 02:12 |
|
Alias |
But yeah, I expect you guys to be finished soon |
| 02:12 |
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Alias |
3 months till a production release you think? |
| 02:12 |
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kthakore |
we are working but both or devs need a break |
| 02:12 |
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kthakore |
3 months is more then enough |
| 02:13 |
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Alias |
Do the APIs all change? |
| 02:13 |
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kthakore |
hell ya! |
| 02:13 |
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Alias |
Will you need to release as SDL2 ? |
| 02:13 |
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kthakore |
yup prolly |
| 02:13 |
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Alias |
Goodo |
| 02:13 |
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kthakore |
or Ryan will be super mad at me |
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kthakore |
:P |
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Alias |
So you can start to dump "production" releases of SDL2.pm quite quickly then |
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azawawi |
good morning |
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kthakore |
Alias: indeed |
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Alias |
azawawi: heya |
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kthakore |
azawawi: hi |
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kthakore |
Alias: I have 0.1 planned for early Feb |
| 02:14 |
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Alias |
ok |
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kthakore |
Alias: and FB 0.1 shortly after |
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kthakore |
the change to new API will fix up the old FB code as we move it |
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azawawi |
Alias: im using mibbit through firefox now... chrome dev + mibbit seem to die more often the new web sockets api... |
| 02:15 |
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Alias |
So that should line up well with Strawberry April |
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kthakore |
ya! |
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kthakore |
Alias: ok well gtg study |
| 02:16 |
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kthakore |
so I can hack this in Feb |
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kthakore |
cya |
| 02:16 |
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Alias |
later |
| 02:18 |
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* azawawi |
wonders what problems was szabgab talking about in 5.11.3 for Perl 6 & catalyst |
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azawawi |
http://szabgab.com/blog/2009/12/1261601193.html |
| 02:18 |
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azawawi |
szabgab: wakeup... ping! |
| 02:19 |
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Alias |
possibly "it fails when using 5.11.3" |
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azawawi |
btw, perl 6 fails on 5.10.1 |
| 02:20 |
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Alias |
Specifics? |
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azawawi |
http://scsys.co.uk:8001/37578 |
| 02:22 |
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Alias |
You didn't try to reload a Storabled file with a newer version of Storable did you? |
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azawawi |
Alias: i havent debugging it yet :) |
| 02:23 |
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azawawi |
Alias: whenever i try to do something lately, i get more work :) |
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Alias |
Make sure you flush any cache/storabled files |
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* azawawi |
debugs... |
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Alias |
patspam: Can you explain what the damn point is with PSGI? |
| 02:25 |
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Alias |
I really don't get it |
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patspam |
heh |
| 02:25 |
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Alias |
"A way of communicating between web apps and web servers" |
| 02:25 |
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Alias |
So... like CGI/FastCGI... but not" |
| 02:25 |
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Alias |
I never seem to actually see an explanation of what it actually DOES |
| 02:26 |
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patspam |
it basically says, web apps are all about returning 3 things |
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patspam |
per request |
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patspam |
a status (200, 404, etc..) |
| 02:26 |
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patspam |
a bunch of headers (content-type, etc..) |
| 02:26 |
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patspam |
and a body |
| 02:26 |
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Alias |
And we never had that before? |
| 02:27 |
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Alias |
I mean, when TAP people talk about TAP, they show TAP |
| 02:27 |
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Alias |
I've seen plack config files or something, but never seen the actual over the wire stuff |
| 02:27 |
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patspam |
well, over the wire is http |
| 02:27 |
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Alias |
So how is it different to CGI or FastCGI |
| 02:27 |
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patspam |
the beauty of it is the brain-dead simplicity of it |
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patspam |
I'm more of a mod_perl guy prior to PSGI |
| 02:28 |
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patspam |
instead of having modperl handlers for each phase of blah blah blah |
| 02:28 |
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patspam |
you just have middleware |
| 02:29 |
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Alias |
So how does it differ to FastCGI? |
| 02:29 |
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patspam |
middleware can modify the environment before the webapp generates the response, and it can modify the response before the server sees it |
| 02:29 |
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patspam |
I don't know enough about fcgi :( |
| 02:30 |
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patspam |
but I guess it's simpler |
| 02:30 |
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patspam |
and more Perl-specific |
| 02:30 |
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patspam |
your app is just a sub reference |
| 02:30 |
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Alias |
ok, so that's a good start |
| 02:30 |
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patspam |
that returns [ $status, [ @headers ], $body ] |
| 02:31 |
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Alias |
OK, so it moves the web server -> app boundary into Perl code |
| 02:31 |
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Alias |
But using a simple transactional interaction, rather than the mod_perl deep phased approach |
| 02:31 |
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Alias |
That makes more sense to me |
| 02:32 |
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Alias |
And so you can get Catalyst style engine switching without using Cat specifically |
| 02:32 |
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patspam |
yeah, and most cat plugins can become middleware than any plack web app can use |
| 02:32 |
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Alias |
And thus make something comparable to the 50 line CGI script that works properly in any run-mode |
| 02:33 |
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patspam |
in the Ruby (rack) world there has been an explosion of web servers for different niches |
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patspam |
that's starting to happen for plack now too, which is awesome |
| 02:33 |
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Alias |
right |
| 02:34 |
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patspam |
but for more details than that you should ask in #plack ;) |
| 02:35 |
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Alias |
No, you just gave me what I want |
| 02:35 |
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patspam |
awesome |
| 02:35 |
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patspam |
how's the australian summer heat? |
| 02:35 |
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Alias |
They never actually mention it's a Perl API |
| 02:35 |
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Alias |
That I've seen |
| 02:35 |
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Alias |
I'm inside a tiny little quiet room at work |
| 02:35 |
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Alias |
Trying to avoid distractions (FAIL) |
| 02:35 |
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Alias |
And since the air-con is on full for daytime load, it's oversupplied in here |
| 02:36 |
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Alias |
So very very cold, which is nice |
| 02:36 |
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patspam |
hah, meanwhile I'm sweating in a over-zealously heated apartment block in new york, whilst outside there's snow everywhere |
| 02:36 |
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Alias |
Holidays/contracting? |
| 02:36 |
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Alias |
Or you moved away? |
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patspam |
relocated mostly |
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patspam |
but have to fly back to aus to sort my long term visa |
| 02:37 |
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patspam |
gf just started a phd over here |
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perlsyntax |
i new to padre. |
| 02:38 |
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perlsyntax |
HOw do i close the output button? |
| 02:38 |
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Alias |
welcome |
| 02:38 |
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Alias |
At the moment, View -> Show Output |
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perlsyntax |
thanks i like it |
| 02:38 |
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perlsyntax |
i just new at this thanks. |
| 02:38 |
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perlsyntax |
it better then emacs. |
| 02:38 |
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Alias |
No problem |
| 02:39 |
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perlsyntax |
:) |
| 02:39 |
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Alias |
yay! :) |
| 02:39 |
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perlsyntax |
i was looking for a just perl IDE |
| 02:39 |
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Alias |
Unfortunately, most old-timey emacs people would disagree :) |
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perlsyntax |
i see |
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Alias |
But we'll get them eventually |
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perlsyntax |
yep |
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Alias |
This wxFormBuilder is nice |
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Alias |
Now I just need to get it to generate Perl code :) |
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* waxhead |
has a working TV |
| 03:22 |
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waxhead |
patspam, it's freakin hot is how it is... |
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azawawi |
Alias: code works perfectly on older Perl .... Padre MSI 0.41 |
| 03:23 |
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waxhead |
patspam, nice job on the plugin too.. what I saw of the screen shot looks great.. |
| 03:23 |
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patspam |
thanks waxhead! |
| 03:23 |
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patspam |
I mostly just stole from the catalyst plugin and then tweaked it for what i needed |
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waxhead |
I haven't tried the latest cat plugin... so I haven't seen what it does to the bottom panel area... |
| 03:24 |
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azawawi |
patspam: we should automate that in Padre... the stealing part :) |
| 03:25 |
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patspam |
heh totally |
| 03:25 |
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waxhead |
I'm still to actually create a cat app... bought the book too.. |
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azawawi |
patspam: what's the number #1 problem after stealing/borrowing other code? :) |
| 03:25 |
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Hyppolit |
#1: Improve load time (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1#comment:5 ] |
| 03:25 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 03:26 |
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patspam |
you have to fix their bugs? =p |
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azawawi |
patspam: yeah and the stuff that you carry unintentionally with you with copy&paste.... changing comments... etc |
| 03:31 |
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patspam |
yeah that stung me.. I didn't know about message.pot files when I did the initial commit, and before I knew it jquelin had translated it! |
| 03:31 |
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patspam |
but they were catalyst messages :( |
| 03:31 |
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patspam |
felt really bad |
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waxhead |
:) |
| 03:32 |
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waxhead |
poor jq |
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waxhead |
he's been working hard to keep up the translation of late. |
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azawawi |
patspam: and the other part I really hate is the .svn file copy |
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azawawi |
patspam: you copy a folder from another project and you get a corrupted svn folder... |
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patspam |
yeah I actually did all the initial dev in git so that I could do frequent (private) commits, so that eliminated the .svn dirs |
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azawawi |
patspam: would be nice if Padre warns about .svn folders when it copies a folder... |
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patspam |
it would be nice if someone wrote a mark-up language for wxwidgets similar to html |
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patspam |
might reduce how tedious it is to build graphical interfaces |
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azawawi |
nice |
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azawawi |
i had a todo for wxwidget html->padre help integration... |
| 03:42 |
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azawawi |
so F2 on a wxwidget method would generate some help by tracing what was assigned to that variable... |
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* Alias |
updates heading |
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Alias |
http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/40049 |
| 03:42 |
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Alias |
azawawi: Thanks, hadn't noticed startup performance was bug #1 :) |
| 03:42 |
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Hyppolit |
#1: Improve load time (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1#comment:5 ] |
| 03:42 |
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Alias |
What's bug #2 |
| 03:42 |
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Hyppolit |
#2: Improve search (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/2#comment:3 ] |
| 03:42 |
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Alias |
:) |
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Alias |
Next! |
| 03:43 |
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Alias |
hrm, #2 clearly needs some work |
| 03:43 |
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Hyppolit |
#2: Improve search (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/2#comment:3 ] |
| 03:44 |
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Alias |
Probably need to implement native search to do it properly |
| 03:44 |
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Alias |
And ditch ack |
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azawawi |
Alias: one more thing we need to save user dialog size/position changes... |
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azawawi |
Alias: so if i place my find on the right, it stays that way... |
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azawawi |
s/find/finder |
| 03:45 |
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Alias |
Ya |
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Alias |
That's trickier than you think |
| 03:46 |
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Alias |
I hit some fairly ugly pathalogical cases here |
| 03:46 |
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Alias |
So you need to record position/etc ONLY if they move it |
| 03:46 |
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Alias |
And understand the difference between default and specific positioning |
| 03:46 |
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Alias |
Then you need a geometry validator :) |
| 03:47 |
|
Alias |
Because if you move the dialog, and then change you monitor resolution or remove the second monitor, the dialogs can easily end up off the screen |
| 03:47 |
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Alias |
your |
| 03:47 |
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Alias |
The geometry validation needs to be done whenever to show a dialog |
| 03:47 |
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azawawi |
ofcourse, maybe relative to parent padre? |
| 03:47 |
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Alias |
Won't help |
| 03:47 |
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azawawi |
percentages? |
| 03:47 |
|
Alias |
Nope |
| 03:48 |
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Alias |
Absolute + Sanity Checking |
| 03:48 |
|
Alias |
If a window goes PARTLY off the screen, you need to nudge it back in |
| 03:48 |
|
Alias |
If it's completely off the screen, you need to destroy the stored position and return to default |
| 03:48 |
|
Alias |
I hit this all the time on my portable drive |
| 03:49 |
|
Alias |
Because HOST-level data is being moved around between machines |
| 03:49 |
|
* azawawi |
installs the latest Padre on another machine to verify Perl 6 Storable bug... |
| 03:49 |
|
Alias |
I've been meaning to implement the geometry math for a while |
| 03:49 |
|
Alias |
Separate to the actual tieing into Padre |
| 03:50 |
|
Alias |
Do take an arbtrary rect and check it against what Wx thinks the screen resolution/borders are |
| 03:50 |
|
Alias |
To take... |
| 03:51 |
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azawawi |
i see |
| 03:51 |
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Alias |
That's the main reason we're stuck with ugly first gen positioning |
| 03:51 |
|
Alias |
Because doing 2.0 isn't entirely trivial |
| 03:51 |
|
Alias |
On the plus side, TONS of applications get this wrong |
| 03:51 |
|
Alias |
So Padre would actually stand out as being smart once we wrote it |
| 03:52 |
|
Alias |
Only other main downside of storing this would be that it means a SQLite connect to show every dialog |
| 03:53 |
|
Alias |
Right in the middle of the "noticable lag" period |
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azawawi |
dialogs positions should be pulled in one chunk at startup and stored in a hash... |
| 03:54 |
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Alias |
yeah |
| 03:54 |
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Alias |
Was going to say, alternative is to hold it in memory and just flush once at shutdown |
| 03:54 |
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azawawi |
the lag should be then in the saving (hiding of the dialog) |
| 03:54 |
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Alias |
Depends if you want it to be crash-tolerant |
| 03:55 |
|
Alias |
If you don't mind losing positions on a crashing shutdown, you just hold it in memory |
| 03:55 |
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Alias |
TBH, what we REALLY need is a backgroundable SQLite writer |
| 03:56 |
|
Alias |
Not sure how the hell to do that though |
| 03:56 |
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azawawi |
Padre::Service? |
| 03:56 |
|
Alias |
DBI isn't threadsafe |
| 03:56 |
|
Alias |
You can only use one thread |
| 03:57 |
|
Alias |
So that means you'd have to fork/process-launch in a thread |
| 03:57 |
|
Alias |
And that gets slower again |
| 03:57 |
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Alias |
I want to do some more thorough profiling before attempting anything really crazy like that |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
I think the current profile might be skewed by the ->do('VACUUM') during shutdown |
| 03:58 |
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Alias |
Should tweak the profiling to ditch everything after shutdown does ->Hide |
| 03:58 |
|
Alias |
So all the expensive shutdown-time operations don't count |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
I wouldn't mind doing a similar late-write with the file position data |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
It does quite a lot of sql writes |
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Alias |
Which reminds me, we probably need to tweak the task manager at some point to be aware of database locks |
| 04:02 |
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azawawi |
Alias: any update on the Padre PPI cache? |
| 04:02 |
|
Alias |
It would be a Really Bad Thing if the thread got spawned while there's an active connection |
| 04:02 |
|
Alias |
Padre PPI cache? |
| 04:02 |
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azawawi |
PPI cache for all the project... |
| 04:03 |
|
Alias |
Is that going to be useful? |
| 04:03 |
|
Alias |
Caching is not so useful when files are changing |
| 04:03 |
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azawawi |
speed up refactoring... |
| 04:03 |
|
Alias |
point |
| 04:03 |
|
azawawi |
and open the way to more useful ones... |
| 04:03 |
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Alias |
Well, it might |
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|
Alias |
It makes cache misses slower though |
| 04:04 |
|
Alias |
Because of the MD5 cost |
| 04:04 |
|
Alias |
And it's going to leave a ton of dead files around |
| 04:04 |
|
Alias |
As documents change |
| 04:04 |
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azawawi |
i've been using eclipse's auto refresh/build on for a while... |
| 04:05 |
|
* Alias |
nods |
| 04:05 |
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azawawi |
eclipse takes a different approach to projects than Padre... |
| 04:05 |
|
azawawi |
everything is imported into a workspace |
| 04:06 |
|
azawawi |
that contains projects... |
| 04:06 |
|
Alias |
No reason we can't do something generally similar |
| 04:06 |
|
azawawi |
they even took the concept further and enabled Servers (like tomcat) and made it a project... |
| 04:06 |
|
Alias |
I just wanted to make sure we STARTED intuitive, and then added explicit stuff as EXTRA steps |
| 04:07 |
|
Alias |
Because once you've hard coded in static collections and stuff relies on it, it's harder to do things the other way around |
| 04:07 |
|
Alias |
Having to maintain projects is hateful |
| 04:07 |
|
Alias |
So I really want it optional |
| 04:08 |
|
Alias |
That said, it's probably getting close to the time to look at the padre.yml stuff more |
| 04:08 |
|
Alias |
To start allowing for explicit undiscoverable metadata to be recorded |
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submersible |
take that! |
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szabgabx |
good morning |
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szabgabx |
so much backlog , it will take the better part of the day to read it :-) |
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Casan |
it will be faster to write it yourself ;) |
| 04:47 |
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jayk |
Casan++ # ahahahaha |
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szabgabx |
:) |
| 04:48 |
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jayk |
so szabgab are you an ex jazz guitarist ? |
| 04:48 |
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szabgabx |
you mean a dead ex jazz guitarist ? |
| 04:48 |
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szabgabx |
no |
| 04:48 |
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jayk |
yes |
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Casan |
finally I'm back from bootcamp. going to check up on what happened for the past 4-6 months. no chance in hell I can write that from scratch. |
| 04:49 |
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jayk |
I was quite shocked to find an album by a Perl Developer in my childs first grade classroom. ;-) |
| 04:49 |
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szabgabx |
http://szabgab.com/music.html |
| 04:49 |
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jayk |
yes. well - Just to throw everything into reverse... I knew of you before I knew of him. ;-) |
| 04:51 |
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szabgabx |
jayk, which one? http://www.dougpayne.com/cuban.htm ? |
| 04:52 |
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jayk |
http://ion0.com/hx/szabgab.jpg |
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szabgabx |
oh nice |
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szabgabx |
now I get why does that look the way it is - first graders... |
| 04:53 |
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jayk |
I think it got turned into a bowl or something. ;-) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9941 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9941 |
| 04:54 |
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Hyppolit |
Arabic translation... struggling to catch up with Gabor (90%) :) |
| 04:54 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
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* jayk |
curses |
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szabgabx |
azawawi, I'll try to investigate the build issues of the dependencies of the Perl 6 plugins later today and I'll also try to do it to our other plugins |
| 04:57 |
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jayk |
I just got my ubuntu machine installed with 0.52 last night!! |
| 04:59 |
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azawawi |
szabgabx: did u see the out of memory storable problem i posted earlier? |
| 04:59 |
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azawawi |
szabgabx: in the latest msi (perl 5.10.1) |
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szabgabx |
no, I'll read the backlog soon |
| 05:00 |
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szabgabx |
jayk, you are slow :-) |
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jayk |
hehe. so it would seem |
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Alias |
szabgabx: You know, you should LEARN Jazz Guitar |
| 05:04 |
|
Alias |
Just for the lulz |
| 05:04 |
|
Alias |
It's far better than me trying to learn baseball too |
| 05:06 |
|
* jayk |
is learning guitar |
| 05:06 |
|
jayk |
I can stand in for you. ;-) |
| 05:07 |
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szabgabx |
I learned, played quite well, but then my sister came in the room and told me the guitar is not tuned... |
| 05:08 |
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Alias |
So you're tone deaf? |
| 05:08 |
|
Alias |
That could be a problem with Jazz |
| 05:08 |
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Alias |
:) |
| 05:08 |
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Alias |
I think over the holiday period I might have a go at writing an XRC to Padre importer |
| 05:09 |
|
Alias |
So we can use wxFormBuilder instead of wxGlade |
| 05:10 |
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szabgabx |
have you seen that link with the gui-builder thingy with Tcl? |
| 05:10 |
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Alias |
no... |
| 05:10 |
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Alias |
Where? |
| 05:11 |
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szabgabx |
#805 |
| 05:11 |
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Hyppolit |
#805: Command line and gui integration with RAD (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/805 ] |
| 05:12 |
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szabgabx |
we have almost 400 open tickets! It seems Padre starts to be a serious project :-) |
| 05:12 |
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Alias |
yes! |
| 05:13 |
|
Alias |
We probably need 1000 for that though |
| 05:19 |
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jayk |
Padre 0.53 installed. yay |
| 05:24 |
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szabgabx |
jayk++ |
| 05:24 |
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szabgabx |
later & |
| 05:25 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9942 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9942 |
| 05:25 |
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Hyppolit |
translation fixes + Arabic translation (92%) |
| 05:25 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
| 06:18 |
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Hyppolit |
#390: Copy and Paste onto highlighted text (accepted defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/390#comment:11 ] |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9943 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9943 |
| 06:25 |
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Hyppolit |
link to blog by Alias |
| 06:25 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/ |
| 06:27 |
|
Alias |
Thanks |
| 06:27 |
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submersible |
.... |
| 06:28 |
|
Alias |
... for linking my blog post, cause I'm too lazy to look in the repo for the website source data |
| 06:28 |
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Alias |
submersible: BTW, Sonam (sp?) wants to build our own secure tokenising card vault |
| 06:29 |
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Alias |
submersible: Although I'm not entirely sure he's yet realised the implications of running one, or quite what hes suggesting |
| 06:29 |
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submersible |
better than bouncing the whole world back out to some other pack of fools |
| 06:29 |
|
Alias |
Crypto Rule #1 - Don't implement your own crypto |
| 06:29 |
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Hyppolit |
#1: Improve load time (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1#comment:5 ] |
| 06:30 |
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submersible |
housing one more precious jewel is more attractive than letting s omeCrp 'buy' your risk |
| 06:30 |
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submersible |
build as in write |
| 06:30 |
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Alias |
build as in write |
| 06:30 |
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submersible |
? |
| 06:31 |
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submersible |
he's bonkers |
| 06:31 |
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submersible |
sry |
| 06:31 |
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submersible |
buy an appliance - audit that... or buy a service from smeCrp .. that _MIGHT_ be running when u need it |
| 06:32 |
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Alias |
ooo, a hosted service from *corp might work, if they offer one |
| 06:32 |
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submersible |
then convince all customers to allow that too |
| 06:33 |
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Alias |
Mostly it just comes down to "Can we avoid PCI compliance without an utterly reliable third party provider |
| 06:33 |
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Alias |
I can't see how we can win against that fundamental problem |
| 06:43 |
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Alias |
So, are there any features that I owe? |
| 06:43 |
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Alias |
That need to be done urgently, and probably by me? |
| 06:43 |
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submersible |
oh hells bells |
| 06:43 |
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Alias |
Otherwise I'll switch out to new crazyness |
| 06:43 |
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szabgab |
Alias, the refresh of the menues |
| 06:44 |
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Alias |
submersible: hrm? |
| 06:44 |
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Alias |
szabgab: ouchy |
| 06:44 |
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Alias |
szabgab: Have you finished the action conversions yet? |
| 06:44 |
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submersible |
the fugly docbrowser is working for some POD2::* and not others. |
| 06:44 |
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szabgab |
almost, I think I have one menu to do |
| 06:44 |
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submersible |
but I doubt that is anything new |
| 06:44 |
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Alias |
I'd prefer to wait until all that stuff is finished, so I have a fairly uniform base to start with |
| 06:44 |
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szabgab |
but there is still code in the Menu::* files |
| 06:45 |
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szabgab |
you can start it now, I'll finish it in a few hours |
| 06:45 |
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Alias |
OK, go as far as you are comfortable with, and once the obvious stuff is done I'll point some fresh eyes at the problem |
| 06:45 |
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Alias |
If you can finish inside of say 3 hours I'll sync before I jump on the train to parents for Christmas stuff |
| 06:46 |
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szabgab |
Alias, oh the first time padre.exe does not work bug |
| 06:46 |
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Alias |
Don't look at me |
| 06:46 |
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Alias |
padre.exe isn't my fault :) |
| 06:46 |
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* Alias |
points at whoever wrote it |
| 06:47 |
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Hyppolit |
#664: Integrate POD2::FR, POD2::IT and in general any POD2::8 module (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/664#comment:1 ] |
| 06:47 |
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szabgab |
so you have a better pair of fresh eyes :-) |
| 06:47 |
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Alias |
I'm also rather lacking in machines that have never run Padre |
| 06:47 |
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Alias |
I do have some neato Win32 profiling and tracing tools though |
| 06:47 |
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szabgab |
I think it was the .padre creation |
| 06:47 |
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Alias |
That seems like a weird thing to block on |
| 06:51 |
|
Alias |
But I'll point the thingy at it |
| 06:52 |
|
Alias |
or hell, someone else can |
| 06:52 |
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szabgab |
but it is a horrible user experience |
| 06:52 |
|
Alias |
I know |
| 06:52 |
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szabgab |
you install padre from .msi and it does not do anything |
| 06:53 |
|
Alias |
The deadline is really the next release of standalone |
| 06:53 |
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szabgab |
I checked, only the View menu remains to actionify |
| 06:54 |
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szabgab |
I don't know what happened to my windows machine but after a crash (and an upgrade to SP2) perl is crashing |
| 06:54 |
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szabgab |
with the popup to send this to Microsof |
| 06:54 |
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szabgab |
t |
| 06:55 |
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Alias |
I get that too, when I run perl dev.pl -d |
| 06:55 |
|
Alias |
On exit |
| 06:55 |
|
Alias |
Not every time though |
| 06:56 |
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szabgab |
it did not happen before |
| 06:56 |
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szabgab |
now Windows found it also has SP 3 to download |
| 06:56 |
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szabgab |
let me see what happens after that |
| 06:56 |
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Alias |
I just connected my Vista machine after a year offline |
| 06:56 |
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Alias |
It took 2 hours to upgrade |
| 06:57 |
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Alias |
1 Critical Download... then once complete, now there's 17 more Critical Downloads, then after that a Critical Download of Vista Service Pack 2, then once complete another 2 Critical Downloads of new IE and so on |
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szabgab |
ho CSJewell is here! |
| 06:59 |
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Alias |
Or at least, his internet connection is |
| 06:59 |
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szabgab |
maybe he can say something about the perl.exe bug |
| 06:59 |
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Alias |
Probably not |
| 06:59 |
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szabgab |
padre.exe |
| 06:59 |
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Alias |
kmx on the other hand... |
| 06:59 |
|
Alias |
He's the one with the compiler-fu |
| 07:03 |
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szabgab |
Alias, and another thing for you |
| 07:03 |
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szabgab |
the memory leaks we have |
| 07:04 |
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szabgab |
I think we still cross reference between editor and document, leaking memory every time you open/close a file |
| 07:06 |
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Alias |
szabgab: That's entirely possible |
| 07:07 |
|
Alias |
Someone mentioned earlier in (my) day that the debuggers are hanging around as zombie threads/processes btw |
| 07:07 |
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szabgab |
it happens sometimes to me on Ubuntu, but rarely |
| 07:07 |
|
Alias |
The whole document/editor boundary is horrible though, it's still on my list of rewrites |
| 07:08 |
|
Alias |
Trouble is we need to do Document, Editor and Notebook pretty much all simultaneously |
| 07:08 |
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CSJewell |
I wish I knew. Try this: Install padre standalone, then reboot the computer, then try running padre.exe. Does the problem still exist? (I've had problems with needing a reboot to get the environment variables and other such things set) |
| 07:08 |
|
Alias |
And there's always been something more urgent |
| 07:08 |
|
Alias |
CSJewell: It's not that I don't think |
| 07:08 |
|
Alias |
CSJewell: Because if you run padre.bat, then it starts working |
| 07:09 |
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CSJewell |
I'll try and duplicate it in the morning on a clean VM. |
| 07:09 |
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Alias |
How's the beta coming btw, anything I can do? |
| 07:09 |
|
Alias |
It's almost January... :) |
| 07:10 |
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CSJewell |
I know... and unfortunately, the holiday stuff has not been cooperating. I've got a weird bug I've almost got a handle on right now. |
| 07:10 |
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szabgab |
CSJewell, are you still on that slow machine ? |
| 07:10 |
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CSJewell |
Do you have much in the way of C knowledge, Alias? |
| 07:10 |
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CSJewell |
No. |
| 07:11 |
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CSJewell |
Got the new machine. |
| 07:11 |
|
Alias |
Me, no C knowledge |
| 07:12 |
|
Alias |
I stick to Perl, with a dose of Economics, Game Theory and what not for higher level design issues |
| 07:12 |
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Alias |
I don't go much lower level than Perl |
| 07:14 |
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szabgab |
The View menu is also quite horrible to turn into actions |
| 07:14 |
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CSJewell |
Basically, what would be helpful is some C code that I can run during the installation (so I can't just hook to perl510.dll) that does an s{c:\strawberry}{$new_location}g without too much in the way of dependencies on a given (short) list of files. I can do it if I have to, but it may not be fast yet. |
| 07:15 |
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Alias |
szabgab: Indeed |
| 07:16 |
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Alias |
CSJewell: I suppose asking jdb is out of the question too :) |
| 07:16 |
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Alias |
CSJewell: Throw an appeal up on #p5p or the list, and I imagine you can get some help |
| 07:17 |
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Alias |
All the Perl+C folk live there |
| 07:18 |
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CSJewell |
The (obvious) problem with asking jdb is that I need to have it with an OSI license .... I'll do that in the morning. (It's after midnight here.) |
| 07:18 |
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Alias |
No, don't ask him |
| 07:18 |
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Alias |
It's bad form |
| 07:18 |
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CSJewell |
Once I get the basic code, I can fix it up to be... |
| 07:18 |
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CSJewell |
I meant asking p5p for the second part. |
| 07:18 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 07:18 |
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Alias |
:) |
| 07:18 |
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CSJewell |
... an MSI custom action like the ClearFolder code. |
| 07:19 |
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* Alias |
nods |
| 07:19 |
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Alias |
Maybe the MSI mailing list knows |
| 07:19 |
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Alias |
It's certainly high volume enough, and a SimpleStringReplaceInFiles seems like an obvious thing to have |
| 07:21 |
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CSJewell |
Maybe. Any rate, wanting to fall asleep. Will catch things in the morning. |
| 07:21 |
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Alias |
Later |
| 07:21 |
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Alias |
So |
| 07:21 |
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Alias |
I don't suppose anyone wants to write me a Right-Click "Open This Class" for Christmas |
| 07:25 |
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szabgab |
what do you mean by that ? |
| 07:26 |
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szabgab |
if you put the cursor on A::B you want it to open A/B.pm ? |
| 07:26 |
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Alias |
Right |
| 07:27 |
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Alias |
1. Detect the class name (either the selected text, or the string that matches the pattern of a class that surrounds the cursor position) |
| 07:27 |
|
Alias |
2. Locate the matching A/B.pm in a) The current project b) @INC |
| 07:28 |
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szabgab |
that's what ctrl-shif-o does |
| 07:28 |
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szabgab |
open selection |
| 07:28 |
|
Alias |
It does what? |
| 07:28 |
|
Alias |
Do I need to highlight? |
| 07:28 |
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szabgab |
yes |
| 07:28 |
|
Alias |
ick |
| 07:28 |
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szabgab |
what ick |
| 07:28 |
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Alias |
The highlighting bit |
| 07:29 |
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Alias |
OK, so clearly I need to write the logic for "Given an arbitrary regex, find the string that represents the match within which sits the cursor" |
| 07:29 |
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Alias |
szabgab: On a laptop touchpad, accurately highlighting a class name is a bit harder than with a mouse |
| 07:29 |
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Alias |
Slower anyway |
| 07:30 |
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szabgab |
I mostly use the keyboard not the mouse |
| 07:30 |
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szabgab |
hence we have Alt-/ to imitate the right click :-) |
| 07:31 |
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Alias |
So basically, if the selection looks like a class, we just need to append "Open Selection" to the right click menu? |
| 07:31 |
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szabgab |
but allowing to find the sorrounding module name would be a nice improvement |
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| 07:31 |
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Alias |
And then add the "Surrounding regeex" thing as an enhancement |
| 07:31 |
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szabgab |
yes, and as it is an action, that should be simple |
| 07:32 |
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Alias |
hmm |
| 07:32 |
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Alias |
I highlight a module, hit Ctrl-shift-o and nothing happens |
| 07:32 |
|
Alias |
Hang on, there is no Open Selection menu entry |
| 07:33 |
|
Alias |
um... hrm |
| 07:33 |
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Alias |
I may have removed it due to it not working... |
| 07:33 |
|
Alias |
erk |
| 07:33 |
|
Alias |
Or not, but vague memories... |
| 07:35 |
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szabgab |
need to have func_session enabled |
| 07:35 |
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szabgab |
which plain crazy |
| 07:35 |
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szabgab |
or it won't show up at all |
| 07:35 |
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szabgab |
close padre and turn it on in .padre/config.yml |
| 07:36 |
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Alias |
It needs session support? |
| 07:36 |
|
Alias |
WTH? |
| 07:39 |
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szabgab |
it is enabled/disabled by the same config option |
| 07:40 |
|
Alias |
weird |
| 07:40 |
|
Alias |
That might be a bug |
| 07:40 |
|
Alias |
Might be time to make an Open... -> menu anyways |
| 07:40 |
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szabgab |
so move it out in the Menu::File |
| 07:40 |
|
Alias |
To put the URL, Example, and then allow other things like plugins to put stuff in |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
Would fit the pattern |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
New |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
New... -> |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
Open |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
Open... -> |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
Close |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
Close... -> |
| 07:41 |
|
Alias |
And we can expose plugin hooks for all three at the same time... maybe... |
| 07:42 |
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szabgab |
I was hoping that we will let the plugins create actions |
| 07:42 |
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szabgab |
and then hand those actions on the menu system |
| 07:42 |
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szabgab |
hand/hang |
| 07:42 |
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Alias |
What do you mean by "hand them to" |
| 07:43 |
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Alias |
Can I just state for the record that I REALLY REALLY don't want user-configurable menus |
| 07:43 |
|
Alias |
I've never seen it done well in any application, and I don't know of anyone that uses them, and it's one of the things that annoyed me the most about Kephra |
| 07:44 |
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Alias |
I'm quite happy living with the whole "Disable feature X" type thing, where some parts of a menu relating to some topic dissapear |
| 07:44 |
|
Alias |
But once users start configuring their own menus, that way lies upgrade hell |
| 07:45 |
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Alias |
Configurable toolbars are tolerable |
| 07:45 |
|
Alias |
(and useful) |
| 07:48 |
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szabgab |
hmm |
| 07:49 |
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Alias |
szabgab: I suppose it does make sense to let them register actions, and then return a menu_whatever { [ 'plugin.whatever.action.foo', '---', [ ... ] ] } |
| 07:49 |
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szabgab |
I had the same feeling with Kephra |
| 07:49 |
|
Alias |
In his case, the problem was compounded by dual-maintenance of the menu structure for every separate language |
| 07:49 |
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szabgab |
so maybe it is indeed a bad idea to make the whole thing configurable by the end user |
| 07:50 |
|
Alias |
Actions give you a necesary level of abstraction |
| 07:50 |
|
Alias |
But the menu code, or classes, or something, should probably continue to exist |
| 07:50 |
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szabgab |
but I can imagine an application which is not an editor built on this infratructure |
| 07:50 |
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Alias |
Sure |
| 07:50 |
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szabgab |
that would just need a totally different set of menues |
| 07:50 |
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Alias |
But it wouldn't be that hard to make a different Menu classs |
| 07:50 |
|
Alias |
Especially if the code is fairly simple, because of the action abstraction |
| 07:51 |
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szabgab |
it would of course still be configured by the developer and not the end user |
| 07:51 |
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Alias |
Right |
| 07:51 |
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Alias |
And if the developer wants, he can add his own config file to menu blah blah |
| 07:51 |
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Alias |
BTW, I found a native Wx Action concept |
| 07:52 |
|
Alias |
It's called Wx::Command in their case, and it's somehow tied into the Undo system |
| 07:53 |
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szabgab |
I had a bad feeling we are reimplementing something :-) |
| 07:53 |
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Alias |
I took a look at their implementation |
| 07:53 |
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Alias |
It's... limiting |
| 07:53 |
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szabgab |
but maybe we need to subclass it |
| 07:53 |
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Alias |
I can see how things like Notepad++ come up with Macro systems |
| 07:53 |
|
Alias |
Yeah, might be worth it |
| 07:53 |
|
Alias |
Worth investigating for the Action rewrite |
| 07:54 |
|
Alias |
When we finally do the next version |
| 07:54 |
|
Alias |
After we've learned all the ways the current one sucks :) |
| 07:56 |
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szabgab |
for example I am thinking that the language selector might need to be one single action |
| 07:56 |
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szabgab |
and not one action per language |
| 07:56 |
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szabgab |
but I don't know how to do it either way yet |
| 07:56 |
|
Alias |
Or no actions at all |
| 07:57 |
|
Alias |
Actions with params are a much bigger kettle of fish |
| 07:57 |
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Alias |
I'm a little scary of it |
| 07:57 |
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Alias |
scared |
| 07:58 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9944 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9944 |
| 07:58 |
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Hyppolit |
#664 pass a hint to perldoc if the padre locale suggests anything other than english. |
| 07:58 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/HelpProvider/ |
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szabgab |
huh |
| 08:04 |
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szabgab |
DESTROY ignored because DBI dbh handle (DBD::SQLite::db) is owned by thread 1f3c010 not current thread 547b1d0 |
| 08:05 |
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submersible |
szabgab: i have seen that sometime recently on trunk quit |
| 08:05 |
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szabgab |
this is my first time |
| 08:05 |
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szabgab |
it is probably the fault of Alias, who else :-) |
| 08:06 |
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szabgab |
he said that DBI is not thread safe |
| 08:07 |
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Alias |
oh dear |
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Alias |
szabgab: Remember I mentioned that the Task manager might need to learn how to delay execution of tasks until DBI is disconnected? |
| 08:07 |
|
Alias |
This would be that :( |
| 08:08 |
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szabgab |
:-) |
| 08:08 |
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Alias |
Or at least, it needs to delay the spawning of new threads |
| 08:08 |
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Alias |
I guess I need to write something into ::Locker to notify the task manager when it isn't safe to spawn |
| 08:12 |
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Alias |
submersible: I think I've finally got Aspect.pm reorganised now, so that everything is now split out by aspect type, and not two layers of abstracted generalisation on top of a modified Damiancode monstrosity |
| 08:12 |
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Alias |
submersible: So that just leaves the creationi of the new type of Aspect I need to make the simplest version of our timer hooks |
| 08:14 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9945 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9945 |
| 08:14 |
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Hyppolit |
move a bunch of menu items from the View menu to View Actions |
| 08:14 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ trunk/Padre/xt/ |
| 08:21 |
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szabgab |
Alias, so the Actionification is done |
| 08:22 |
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szabgab |
the left over are the sub-menus with the radios buttons |
| 08:22 |
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szabgab |
and the long configuartion code |
| 08:22 |
|
Alias |
ok |
| 08:22 |
|
Alias |
svn updating now |
| 08:37 |
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szabgab |
the Padre stand alone uninstall already runs for 10 minutes |
| 08:37 |
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szabgab |
this is really unacceptable |
| 08:38 |
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szabgab |
we need a better solution there or everyone will just laugh at us |
| 08:38 |
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szabgab |
and it is hard to me to believe that we need to reboot Windows in order to uninstall Padre |
| 08:42 |
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El_Che |
morning? |
| 08:42 |
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El_Che |
do you do registry stuff? |
| 08:43 |
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szabgab |
I have no idea, CSJewell does the Windows installer |
| 08:50 |
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Alias |
El_Che: On Vista or later, changes to the global environment don't stick until a reboot |
| 08:50 |
|
Alias |
In XP they used to change in the currently active top level environment |
| 08:50 |
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Alias |
Alas, no more |
| 08:51 |
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Alias |
Thus, there's a reboot request in the installer now |
| 08:51 |
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Alias |
I assume the envionrment thing was a security flaw on the part of MS, and they fixed it |
| 08:52 |
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Alias |
szabgab: The uninstall runs faster if you haven't used the CPAN much |
| 08:52 |
|
Alias |
Most of the cost is calculating file sizes of CPAN's build directory |
| 08:52 |
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Alias |
To see how much space it will release, or something |
| 08:52 |
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Alias |
He's working on a fix |
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yakudzo |
submersible: you fixed http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/390 ??? "Middle button should replace the current selection with the so called 'PrimarySelection?'. The problem this raises is how to distinguish when a selection buffer should be written to the PrimarySelection? or not. " |
| 08:56 |
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yakudzo |
If you mean behavior like: Write "foo", next line "bar" , # Select "foo" by double clicking it ,# Select "bar" by double clicking it , # Press middle button |
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yakudzo |
"bar" is replaced by "foo" |
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yakudzo |
it is imposible to make so |
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yakudzo |
even X11 behaves like : "bar" is (depending on exact cursor position) replaced by "bbarar" or "babarr" |
| 08:58 |
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szabgab |
reinstalled Padre on Windows, now adding the missing modules and then I'll try to runt the smoker again |
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Hyppolit |
#664: Integrate POD2::FR, POD2::IT and in general any POD2::8 module (accepted enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ket/664#comment:2 ] |
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Hyppolit |
#809: 5.11.3 prereq of Padre and of some plugins (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/809 ] |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9946 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9946 |
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Hyppolit |
use two modules to remind the user to install them before smokking |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/tools/ |
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Sewi |
Merry Xmas to everybody celebrating this, hi to everyone else :-) |
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perlsyntax |
How do i install Padre by sourcecode? |
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yakudzo |
perl Makefile.PL && make && make install |
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perlsyntax |
tno cd the file |
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perlsyntax |
no |
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perlsyntax |
thanks |
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perlsyntax |
do i have to cd the file to do that? |
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yakudzo |
cd what file ? |
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perlsyntax |
ok |
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yakudzo |
perlsyntax: what file you downloaded? |
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perlsyntax |
it working |
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yakudzo |
ok |
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yakudzo |
goof |
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yakudzo |
good(: |
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perlsyntax |
i got a error |
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perlsyntax |
i did per Makefile.PL make and sudo make install |
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perlsyntax |
odd |
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yakudzo |
and ? |
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yakudzo |
perlsyntax: did you installed requirements ? |
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perlsyntax |
i not sure what to do.. |
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perlsyntax |
i try install it from cpan before i did the sourcecode. |
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yakudzo |
perlsyntax: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download |
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perlsyntax |
where do i paste the error. |
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yakudzo |
topic ? |
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yakudzo |
http://scsys.co.uk:8001 |
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perlsyntax |
http://scsys.co.uk:8001/37582 |
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perlsyntax |
mmm |
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perlsyntax |
maybe i forgot something. |
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yakudzo |
perlsyntax: read installation documentation carefully. install wxGTK perl-Wx perl-Alien-wxWidgets first |
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perlsyntax |
ok thanks |
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yakudzo |
perlsyntax: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download here writen how to make it for almost all popular distros |
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perlsyntax |
i try install it for ubuntu 9.10 but it crash sometimes. |
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perlsyntax |
mmm |
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perlsyntax |
are they on cpan i need to download |
| 09:51 |
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yakudzo |
install latest version and if it crashes it would be better to tell where and how it's crushes |
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perlsyntax |
i want the new one. |
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szabgab |
perlsyntax, you can get the binary I built |
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perlsyntax |
where that:) |
| 09:52 |
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szabgab |
http://szabgab.com/blog/2009/12/1261601193.html |
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perlsyntax |
i don't see no padre. |
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perlsyntax |
or i see things. |
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szabgab |
I am adding instructions to the main download page |
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perlsyntax |
ok |
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perlsyntax |
i can't get backto sleep that my prob lol. |
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perlsyntax |
thanks |
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perlsyntax |
i useing perl5.10.0 |
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perlsyntax |
not sure why cpan not installing new padre for. |
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Alias |
Works for me |
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perlsyntax |
any ideas about the cpan prob? |
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perlsyntax |
odd |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9947 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9947 |
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Hyppolit |
add link to stand alone linux package |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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Alias |
nopaste the error messages, maybe someone can help with that |
| 10:06 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9948 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9948 |
| 10:06 |
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Hyppolit |
update the download page |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9949 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9949 |
| 10:13 |
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Hyppolit |
add previous version of Padre stand alone for linux to download page |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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szabgab |
Ubuntu is getting worse by every release |
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szabgab |
X.org ate up all my CPU, I had to hard-reset my computer |
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yakudzo |
szabgab: moved from ubuntu to debian then to sabayon. feeling very happy (: |
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szabgab |
what is sabayon? |
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yakudzo |
szabgab: user friendly gentoo (: |
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szabgab |
oxymoron :) |
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perlsyntax |
i got padre working. |
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perlsyntax |
:D |
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yakudzo |
szabgab: kde 4.3 by default, many packages and grate gentoo emerge all in one. And installation is gui not gentoo steps with a brik of manual\ |
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szabgab |
yakudzo, one day I'll try it but I am to overcommitted now |
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kthakore |
szabgab: hi |
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kthakore |
szabgab: in your nightly can you have it not tar .svn folders? |
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szabgab |
let me check that |
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kthakore |
thanks |
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kthakore |
szabgab: also read uo on my convo with alias |
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kthakore |
szabgab: leaking threads on new debugger |
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kthakore |
szabgab: and happy holidays :) good job! |
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kthakore |
ttyl I gtg study |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9950 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9950 |
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Hyppolit |
seo the web site of Padre |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/lib/ trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9951 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9951 |
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Hyppolit |
replace Padre::Debug by Padre::Logger |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Plugin/Plack/ |
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szabgab |
patspam, see ^^^^ |
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patspam |
szabgab++ # thanks |
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szabgab |
so far this is what stopped me from installing the plugin in the stand alone padre for Linux |
| 15:01 |
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szabgab |
so once you upload the new version I can include it |
| 15:04 |
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jq |
szabgab: btw, have you tried draklive? |
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szabgab |
not yet |
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szabgab |
I am doing some SEO now |
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szabgab |
and it would be nice to have a page in French as well |
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szabgab |
hint hint :-) |
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jq |
seo? |
| 15:07 |
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jq |
well, we are in family tonite & tomorrow, then i'm leaving saturday to my in-laws for a wekk |
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jq |
t/04-config.t fails |
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jq |
cf http://kenobi.mandriva.com/que[…]0091224151044.log |
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jq |
in padre 0.53 |
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patspam |
szabgab coolness! |
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patspam |
I'm trying to paste your name from the acknowledgements section of Padre.pm into Plack.pm |
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patspam |
(using padre) |
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patspam |
but the non-latin characters aren't displaying properly |
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patspam |
what's the trick? |
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patspam |
actually they are, they just dance if I select them with the mouse |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9952 | patspam++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9952 |
| 15:45 |
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Hyppolit |
Padre::Plugin::Plack 0.03 release |
| 15:45 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/lib/Padre/Plugin/Plack/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Plack/share/locale/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9953 | patspam++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9953 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated my details |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/ |
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patspam2 |
szabgab: new version of Padre::Plugin::Plack released |
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szabgab |
patspam2, the utf-8 support in padre is broken |
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szabgab |
jq, seo, as in search engine optimization |
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szabgab |
in the case of languages just to have some reasonably large page written in all the major languages we support |
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szabgab |
jq, regarding the test failure, I guess that's what waxhead also saw - though I am not sure - and I told him to release without testing the no DISPLAY version |
| 15:59 |
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szabgab |
so we won't stop this release |
| 15:59 |
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szabgab |
we should now fix this |
| 16:17 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9954 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9954 |
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Hyppolit |
remove an unnecessary die() call |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/inc/Local/Padre/Website/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9955 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9955 |
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Hyppolit |
add description to most of the web pages |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/ |
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cuco |
hi all |
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cuco |
when the editor looses it's focus - how to regain it? besides clicking with the mouse? |
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cuco |
I expect "escape" to do this |
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cuco |
another question - where can i see the code of the text editor? I am interested in "learning how it works" |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9956 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9956 |
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Hyppolit |
remove duplicate default language entry that was added during the move to actions |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9957 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9957 |
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Hyppolit |
updating some of the Hebrew translation |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
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kthakore |
hi |
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kthakore |
marry christmas!!! |
| 19:39 |
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kthakore |
happy holidays |
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Getty |
merry christmas, to you, too :) |
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kthakore |
Getty: Happy holidays! |
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Getty |
what is this? holidays? |
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Getty |
never heard that term |
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Getty |
explain it!!! |
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kthakore |
ok ... |
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Getty |
sounds like an interesting technology |
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kthakore |
Getty: hush now trolling is for after Jan 1st |
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Getty |
lol |
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Getty |
you suggest a coder has "holidays" |
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Getty |
:-P |
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kthakore |
:p |
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Getty |
i go back to work at 26. or 27. |
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kthakore |
hacker has holidays |
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kthakore |
me too |
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Getty |
then you arent really into the job ;) <run> |
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kthakore |
Getty: huh? I only get tommorow off and the weekend |
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perlsyntax |
Is there a howto for padre? |
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perlsyntax |
:) |
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szabgab |
perlsyntax, the best we have is this http://padre.perlide.org/howto.html |
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kthakore |
szabgab: happy holidays!! |
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szabgab |
we have finished our batch of holidays |
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szabgab |
but thanks anyway |
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szabgab |
and you too |
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perlsyntax |
:) thanks |
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Getty |
perlsyntax: but installation is done and it startsup? ;) |
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perlsyntax |
i think i going to like padre:) |
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Getty |
you must like padre |
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Getty |
you cant say anything else here |
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Getty |
its not allowed |
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perlsyntax |
yes the install is done and it start up |
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Getty |
wonderful ok |
| 20:10 |
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perlsyntax |
what does the module list do in padre? |
| 20:11 |
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perlsyntax |
Does show what is installed? |
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Getty |
it shows the modules :D |
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Getty |
yes, you can activate deactivate there |
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perlsyntax |
coolhow do i do that |
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Getty |
click? |
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Getty |
;) |
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perlsyntax |
:) |
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Getty |
hey its a GUI! |
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Getty |
;) |
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Getty |
but hey, to be honest, Padre is in buildup, so the guys are totally open for stuff that needs to get in |
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Getty |
or stuff that is "bad implemented" |
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perlsyntax |
cool |
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Getty |
yeah |
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kthakore |
huh |
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Getty |
best is, that you make a trac account right now, and then add feature requests bugs when you found them |
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perlsyntax |
i found a tool call module tool is that toollook up all the one you have installed? |
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perlsyntax |
cool |
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Getty |
szabgab: btw... still the botchange open ;) i would also implement "activating trac registration" then next |
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Getty |
perlsyntax: no idea, i dont know much about specific modules, right now using padre very low level ;) |
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perlsyntax |
i see |
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Getty |
i'm at all not a total padre crack ;) but padre is what you want |
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perlsyntax |
:) |
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Getty |
pfff leaving dudes! i hate them ;) |
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kthakore |
ok |
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kthakore |
Getty: I wanna see some of your code |
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kthakore |
now |
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Getty |
lol why? ;) |
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Getty |
dont know what i could give you right now... mhmhm... my MCSScan project for example |
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Getty |
kthakore: http://www.cubestats.net/files[…]Scan-0.2.1.tar.gz |
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kthakore |
yay! |
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kthakore |
Getty: is it perl\/\ |
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Getty |
yes |
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kthakore |
? |
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kthakore |
nice |
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kthakore |
Getty: well the reason I asked for your code is because you seem to talk a lot but I have yet to see your code |
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kthakore |
Getty: I judge ppl based on code nya? |
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kthakore |
Getty: Resolving cubestats.net... failed: Name or service not known. |
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kthakore |
wget: unable to resolve host address `cubestats.net' |
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kthakore |
got it |
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Getty |
ok |
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Getty |
;) |
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Getty |
i did much "other stuff" before i started with perl, so i know how to handle stuff, but i'm not sure if someone really wants my perl code so far |
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Getty |
mostly i try to help where i really can |
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Getty |
and increase my own knowledge |
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Getty |
also i must mention that i'm a very high sugar junky, that means that most people dislike my ways i target on ;) |
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kthakore |
garu: okie |
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kthakore |
Getty: okie |
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kthakore |
Getty: what does this MCSScan do? |
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Getty |
its for a distributed mass-scan client of the monopoly city streets webgame by hasbro (which is closed now) |
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Getty |
it connects to my masterserver and requests the next "package" which it has to scan |
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Getty |
it was distributed as complete vmware image mostly for my helpers who just started the image |
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Getty |
but others wanted to run it on their regular system |
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kthakore |
oooh nice |
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kthakore |
I used to play MCS! |
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Getty |
what you say about code? |
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kthakore |
reading it now |
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Getty |
lol you read bestcheater.wordpress.com? |
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kthakore |
better then my perl code so far |
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kthakore |
no why? |
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Getty |
the block of the bestcheater who was top on the list? |
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Getty |
blog |
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kthakore |
ah |
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Getty |
i was co-writer there |
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kthakore |
ah ok |
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Getty |
giving free streets out to the people |
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Getty |
over 20.000 i gave to the community |
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kthakore |
20? |
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kthakore |
not a lot |
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Getty |
20.000? |
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totally we found 8 million streets |
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but most stuff is under 1M |
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and you know streets under 1M are worthless |
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kthakore |
yup |
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kthakore |
my cuzin played it more then me\ |
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i actually was btw owner of the biggest street in complete MCS |
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kthakore |
I gave it a shot but it was pporing |
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kthakore |
bboring |
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actually it was free for over 2 months of the gametime |
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kthakore |
cool |
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6.9 Billion in value |
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it was so big that the MCS system wasnt able to give cones out for the requests |
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so "regular" you was unable to harm it (or use it) |
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kthakore: so? what you say about the code? |
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svn: r9958 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9958 |
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Hyppolit |
remove newline from text to be translated |
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Hyppolit |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9959 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9959 |
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Hyppolit |
some Hungarian translation |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r9960 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9960 |
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Hyppolit |
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kthakore |
Getty: sorry got distracted will try it in t |
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kthakore |
FG |
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kthakore |
Getty: HO |
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kthakore |
ahh |
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kthakore |
Getty:How do I get the server? |
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aehm |
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i would need to package it up and search for secret pws in it and stuff |
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kthakore |
msg me I have to go get chicken for dinner |
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it wouldnt work at all without the DB whic is fucked up, the server is no proud |
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kthakore |
brb |
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kthakore |
ll |
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you can see the code, what you need else? ;) |
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kthakore |
kk np\ |
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kthakore |
um ... I am not a compiler or interpeter of perl code\ |
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kthakore |
A |
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So send me something I f |
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can d |
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kthakore |
I can run |
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& |
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svn: r9961 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/9961 |
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