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IRC log for #padre, 2010-01-06

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01:33 kthakore Alias: hi
01:33 kthakore szabgab: guess what!!
01:33 kthakore szabgab: Padre is official at my company now!!
01:33 kthakore yay!
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02:50 Alias kthakore: awesome!
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02:52 Alias kthakore: I shall struggle still to get it official
02:53 Alias kthakore: But I think I'll eventually get it to all but one person, who's an Emacs die-hard
02:53 kthakore lol
02:53 kthakore I am still on vim at workj
02:53 kthakore Alias: but for the new perl from java people
02:53 kthakore Padre is better then Eclipse
02:54 Alias oh rly?
02:54 kthakore well so far
02:54 Alias I didn't think we were at that point yet, great to here
02:54 Alias hear
02:54 kthakore they hate eclipse for perl
02:54 kthakore which is why they stay in Java for text processing
02:54 kthakore it was hilarious
02:54 Alias All of the memory weight, far less of the magic
02:54 Alias ... I imagine
02:55 kthakore one guy made the sort utility
02:55 kthakore in java
02:55 kthakore in unix
02:55 kthakore LMAO
02:55 kthakore I cried
02:55 Alias :)
02:55 kthakore he even had an Ant build system
02:55 kthakore that never worked
03:00 Alias Java build systems are depressingly overweight for the most part
03:00 kthakore Alias: Java build system is bukkake with no relief
03:00 kthakore Alias: oh ....
03:00 kthakore forgot this is nice chan
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03:03 * Alias notes that we need to add another word to the naughty list :)
03:04 kthakore Alias: yeah ...
03:04 kthakore sorry
03:04 Alias It's ok, just don't make a habit of it
03:05 Alias We're not seeing the vast numbers of users that the PG13 policy is designed for, yet
03:05 kthakore kk
03:05 kthakore yay!!!
03:05 kthakore so I can swear now?
03:05 Alias No
03:05 kthakore awww
03:05 * kthakore goes back to the filthy #sdl
03:05 Alias "Be the channel now you want to be in the future" and all that
03:05 Alias BTW, you guys use tidy and critic?
03:06 kthakore Alias: for SDL .... not yet
03:06 Alias ... at work
03:06 kthakore Alias: oh yeah
03:06 kthakore Alias: I force it for larger scripts
03:06 kthakore but not for stuff like
03:06 Alias Because I just, as in yesterday, implemented the first half of project corporate policy for tidy and critic
03:06 kthakore get this from server split it with delimer x and email to me
03:06 Alias You can set config_tidy: project/relative/path.conf in your project-level padre.yml
03:07 kthakore Alias: yeah I am a small small small cog in the corporate world
03:07 Alias And when you run Perl::Tidy, it will automatically use the project's tidy settings instead of your personal settings
03:07 kthakore Alias: I only affect other ppl by doing their grunt work 10 times faster
03:07 Alias You can also set project-level perlcritic rules
03:07 kthakore Alias: then they copy me and pretend it was their idea
03:07 Alias config_perlcritic: xt/perlcriticrc
03:08 kthakore Alias: I notice we are conversing but you aren't listening or reading
03:08 kthakore :p
03:08 Alias No, we're just running two conversations concurrently
03:08 kthakore k gnight aussie dood
03:08 kthakore Alias: he sure
03:08 kthakore ttyl
03:08 Alias I both sympathise with your situations, and want you to beta test the corporate tidy/critic work
03:49 garu Alias, speaking of side talks, I was wondering if you'd like some help documenting ORLite... or maybe it is documented somewhere and I just can't find it
04:27 Alias heh
04:27 Alias I'd quite like some help documenting ORLite
04:27 Alias I've made a start on it, but I find I'm usually adding new features to it to support some other effort, and slowing down to write detailed docs usually makes life harder on the larger thing
04:32 Alias There's two main areas to deal with
04:32 Alias First is ORLite itself, which really just documents the ->import method and how all the different flags work
04:33 Alias The second half is ORLite::Pod, which takes an ORLite tree, such as Padre::DB, and automatically generates API documentation for it (as much as it can anyway)
04:33 szabgab hoh, still here?
04:33 szabgab or again?
04:33 szabgab good morning
04:34 szabgab you guys had an interesting chat with daxim about Git
04:34 Alias :)
04:35 Alias What is your opinion?
04:44 szabgab writing a blog
04:45 szabgab I actually already said it earlier
04:45 szabgab the precondition to switching to Git is to make a very good Git plugin that works on all 3 platforms
05:34 Alias I agree
05:34 Alias If git works well, and inside of Padre, then I'd be quite happy with it
05:35 Alias Not needing to use a command line is a major condition for me
05:35 Alias szabgab: One thing that occurred to me in the mean time, during that conversation.
05:35 Alias szabgab: We really need to get decent support for generating and submitting patches to Padre automatically from within Padre
05:36 Alias And we could probably do that completely self-contained, from within the developer plugin using direct calls to system command line svn
05:36 Alias Without needing to use a larger and more used friendly "official" svn plugin
05:37 Alias There's a pretty simple svn msi installer for windows that meets the needed criteria to sit under it
05:38 * Alias ponders using Template::Tiny for code generation
05:38 Alias In Aspect.pm
05:54 Hyppolit #816: Lexical variable renaming doesn't support <<"HEREDOCS" (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/816 ]
06:12 szabgab Alias, I'd just finish the automatic save points and use that for generating diffs and then sending them off
06:27 szabgab Alias, there: http://bit.ly/8cy0vR
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07:11 Alias Automatic save points?
07:12 * Alias heads home and will read blog then
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07:47 Hyppolit svn: r10073 | BlueT++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10073
07:47 Hyppolit update traslation for Traditional Chinese (zh-tw)
07:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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07:56 Sewi gm
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08:08 Alias__ heya
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09:44 waxhead evening everyone...
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10:00 szabgab evening waxhead
10:09 kaare Would you dare to take the bus in Copenhagen? http://adsoftheworld.com/media/a​mbient/copenhagen_zoo_snake_bus
10:15 waxhead if I ever got to copenhagen... sure
10:15 waxhead szabgab, how you coping with the string freeze?
10:15 waxhead I see not much has changed in the latest update...
10:15 waxhead maybe two days is too long?
10:16 szabgab I am ok, I made some changes in my local git_svn repo
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10:16 szabgab I'll push them out once the release was done
10:16 szabgab and I am working on other stuff anyway
10:17 waxhead I was just reading the git discussions and your blog post about it...
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10:38 szabgab on my blog brian d foy commented that he is "very tired of the latest version of the editor holy war question reframed as "Why don't you use Padre?"
10:39 szabgab Are we really doing it?
10:40 waxhead isn't that what marketing is about?  :)
10:40 waxhead OS holy wars continue to rage.... it's as old as time itself...
10:41 waxhead I don't see that "we" are waging a war or being pushy.. just highly visible... what web framework do you use to get the job done?
10:41 waxhead catalyst would be pretty much most peoples idea of a perl web frame work, but it's not the only one.. it's just highly visible...
10:41 szabgab no, marketing is not about fanboyism
10:41 szabgab not in my book at least
10:42 waxhead no it's not.. but who said anything about fanboyism?
10:42 szabgab brian d foy
10:42 waxhead he said that word itself?
10:42 waxhead what's the link?
10:42 szabgab http://szabgab.com/blog/2010/01/1262751048.html
10:42 szabgab first comment
10:43 waxhead meh.. it's off topic and just a jibe..
10:44 waxhead who said we cared what editor brian uses, or any one uses?
10:44 waxhead marketing is about selling..
10:44 waxhead the car sales man doesn't care what car I drive, as along as he gets a chance to sell his car to me...
10:44 szabgab we don't want to go there do we?
10:44 waxhead hell, I use vim alot still...
10:45 waxhead and notepad++ exclusively at work for Perl..
10:45 waxhead but I love the features of Padre and like being able to commit to it..
10:45 waxhead I wouldn't have known about it if there wasn't an effort to get it 'seen'....
10:45 waxhead if that's fanboyism, then TS...
10:46 waxhead no MADE me change editors.. in fact no one has... I still use a mixture of editors..
10:46 waxhead you didn't care what editor I used...
10:46 szabgab I don't think visibility is fanboyism
10:46 waxhead it isn't..  I have yet to see anyone "push" padre as THE editor on anyone...
10:47 szabgab but if I started to tease people that they are not using Padre yet, that would be bad IMHO
10:47 waxhead you still don't care that I don't use Padre 100% of my time for Perl...
10:47 szabgab I don't use Padre always
10:47 szabgab it is not for every case
10:47 waxhead yes, that's getting to the point of being a little zealous... but you sometimes get that.. hence fanboyism...
10:49 waxhead I don't see it really being fanboyism... the people involved with Padre and there aren't THAT many of us, don't strike me as being that way.. unlike say Linux users... there are millions of htem, in that very large group you will get a number of the 'extreme' who can't help but be painful about it
10:49 waxhead brain needs to get over himself.
10:49 szabgab maybe he encountered something I have not noticed or have not paid attention enough
10:50 waxhead doubt it..  .. he could have been having a bad day... who knows...
10:52 waxhead I don't see that we have assertive, active or aggressive language or 'tone' in our blogs etc.. it's fairly passive, my last blog with the last release ended with "If you haven't tried Padre why not?  "
10:53 waxhead it's not in the active voice even.. it's just a question, if you haven't tried it, why not?  it's Not 'Padre spanks your crap editor ya loser!
10:54 waxhead anyway.. don't let it get to you...
10:54 waxhead I'm off time for sleep.. early mornings are klling me.. release will be tomorrow night..  :)
10:54 waxhead night
10:59 Hyppolit svn: r10074 | jquelin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10074
10:59 Hyppolit update french translation
10:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:00 Alias__ I don't think we've been too aggressive
11:03 Alias__ I had a lot of these issues with Strawberry
11:03 Alias__ Was I being disrespectful to ActiveState
11:03 Alias__ Was I being too aggressive, too loud, was it "right" to push Strawberry and how hard
11:03 Alias__ The way I see it is this
11:03 Alias__ You compete hard, and you make the best product you can
11:04 Alias__ You talk up your own product, and you avoid insulting the competitors
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11:06 Alias__ And when you add features, you try to add them in a way that won't discriminate
11:06 Alias__ You add them in a way that your competitors, should they wish, can lift their game as well
11:07 Alias__ That way you both aren't, and can't be accused of, using any kind of market power or user base as some kind of "weapon" against your competitors
11:08 Alias__ When the only reason you are better is because nobody else has put in the effort to better you, and your success feeds everyone else's, you are ok
11:11 szabgab I editors are very sensitive subject for people
11:11 szabgab not surprising that so many have responded to the my editor related poll
11:11 szabgab and people even wrote details explanation why vi is better than vim and so
11:16 szabgab so there it is, it is not that "Padre is better than X"  it is "Padre might fit your purposes better in some situations"
11:16 szabgab or even without the 'better' in the second sentence
11:17 Alias__ There is no "better", only market share :)
11:18 Alias__ We should aspire to simply become "inevitable" in the same way Eclipse has become inevitable
11:18 Alias__ Or Catalyst
11:18 Alias__ Or gcc :)
11:19 Alias__ Likewise, being pushy would be making ALL Strawberry Perl installs contain Padre
11:20 Alias__ Instead of it being an additional larger package
11:22 szabgab you gain market share either because people cannot possible use something else
11:22 szabgab it is very hard to use something else (IE)
11:22 szabgab or because you proved something that fits them more than other solutions would
11:22 Alias__ Right
11:22 szabgab proved/provide
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15:26 meorero HI
15:26 Sewi hi
15:26 meorero I am just doing this: C:\Documents and Settings\orenm>ppm  uninstall Padre
15:26 meorero and
15:26 meorero Padre: uninstalled
15:26 meorero and install again the 0.53
15:27 meorero C:\Documents and Settings\orenm>ppm  install Padre
15:27 meorero That way - I hope to get latest Padre for ActiveState... side by side with the Stand alone ...
15:30 Sewi Any problems?
15:32 meorero It's still running ... it takes some time for ppm to install ...
15:34 PerlJam btw, over the christmas holiday my 11-year old daughter showed some interest in what I was doing (programming) and I used Padre to give her an introduction.  I don't think she'll do much more than what I showed her, but having Padre was perfect to get her started.
15:35 szabgab PerlJam, if only 11 year old son was showing such interest :-)
15:35 PerlJam She was able to write simple programs, easily (yay editor!) and then run them and see the output (yay F5! :)  and do that repeatedly.
15:35 szabgab what kind of programs ?
15:36 PerlJam just some scalar variable assignment and some print statements. I didn't get a chance to show her too much
15:37 PerlJam She'd do things like $name = 'Jazmine';  print "My name is $name\n";  print "My brother is crazy\n";
15:37 PerlJam :)
15:37 Sewi PerlJam: There is a (small) beginner course within the Padre samples, maybe she'd like to try it out and report what she thinks about it
15:38 PerlJam Sewi: where at?  I don't know if she'd like to or not, but it might be handy if my other kids showed interest
15:38 szabgab when  I was trying to get my son do some programming he wanted to write a web site with registrations and a firs-person shooter,
15:38 szabgab when I told him first he should also learn arrays he lost interest
15:38 Sewi szabgab: :-)
15:39 Sewi PerlJam: File -> Open Samples
15:39 PerlJam Sewi: thanks.
15:40 Hyppolit svn: r10075 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10075
15:40 Hyppolit German translation to 100%
15:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
15:40 PerlJam szabgab: my daughter got a kick out of just making the computer output something.   Though she quickly lost interest in that because apparently her Nintendo DS was way more fun.
15:41 PerlJam cool.
15:41 PerlJam I've been using padre all this time and never noticed the examples.
15:42 Sewi PerlJam: Padre is like Sendmail. Biggest advantage: It has many,many features. Biggest drawback: It has many, many features. :-)
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16:41 Alias__ szabgab: I seem to remember mentioning that I had your son's registration solution thing
16:42 Alias__ The thing that runs svn.ali.as is almost perfect for making Sekrit places on kid's websites
16:42 jq Alias__: file::homedir::freedesktop is ready
16:42 jq as is the detection code to use it over ::unix
16:42 Alias__ jq: You bumped the version to something dev'y?
16:42 jq no
16:42 Alias__ szabgab: Especially so if upgraded to support mobile  phones
16:42 szabgab Alias__, thanks but now he is into all kinds of other things
16:42 jq i let you do the release stuff
16:42 Alias__ sure thing
16:42 Alias__ jq: ok
16:42 Alias__ Tomorrow ok?
16:42 jq sure
16:43 Alias__ Righto
16:43 jq also, we need to work on a my_config()
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16:43 Alias__ I'm only up long enough for my phone to charge enough to be sure the alarm will work in 4 or 5 hours
16:44 Alias__ <Sewi> PerlJam: Padre is like Sendmail. Biggest advantage: It has many,many features. Biggest drawback: It has many, many features. :-)
16:45 Alias__ Sewi: This is why I quietly love the idea of the func_*  options
16:45 Alias__ Sewi: So you can make your editor NOT have the functions you don't care about :)
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17:13 Getty wow... i got a fucked up php bug...
17:13 Getty oh sorry ;)
17:13 Getty i got a really really bad php bug ;)
17:13 Getty unbelievable
17:14 Getty just cause inside a code file there is a "real special char" he wants to display it, just cause i include the file
17:14 Getty but its not put out, or anything, its just there
17:14 Sewi Getty: strange thing... only one bug? :-)
17:14 Getty LLLLOOOOLLLL
17:14 Getty thats why i said A ;)
17:15 Getty i have no idea what todo now
17:26 Getty awesome
17:26 Getty found it
17:26 Getty it is really a char before the opening tag
17:26 Getty which is invisible on UTF8 (the right encoding)
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20:00 PerlJam I've got a new student worker who is learning perl.  I showed her padre and she has been happily using it for the past hour or so.  (her previous editor experience was kate)
20:01 Getty is she hot?
20:02 Getty if so, then we definitly need a picture of her using Padre.... of course for marketing purpose ;)
20:55 Sewi Getty: You really really really need a girlfriend but stay away from my daughters :-)
20:56 Getty yeah ;) lol
21:25 szabgab Getty, I beg you please think twice before you pull these sentences - if I was a woman I'd probably run away from this channel after such a comment
21:26 Getty szabgab???
21:26 Getty szabgab: that wasnt offensive in any way
21:26 szabgab oh you just think so
21:27 szabgab and I am not saying I don't have bad sentences
21:27 szabgab just that others should not have any :-)
21:27 Getty lol ;)
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21:28 Getty there is a php women movement
21:28 Getty i could ask them
21:28 Getty to clear that up, they are experts ;)
21:29 szabgab or look around here: http://geekfeminism.org/
21:29 szabgab anyway I am off to try to get some sleep
21:29 szabgab night &
22:26 Sewi night &
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22:45 Getty LOL
22:45 Getty checked around on the php women page, and there they offer a "calendar"
22:46 Getty and the third picture already is so ... sexual ;)
22:46 Getty LOL and a group of men, wearing "PHP Women" t-shirts... hilarious :)
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