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00:14 Ryan52 jq: pong
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00:15 Ryan52 jq: ping
00:15 Ryan52 :P
00:15 Ryan52 jq: are you gonna work on it?
00:16 Ryan52 jq: if not I'll happily do it this weekend.
00:52 kthakore hi Ryan52
00:53 kthakore Ryan52: yes ryan I permit you to work on SDL this weekend :)
00:53 kthakore Ryan52: j/k what you up too
00:53 Ryan52 kthakore: :)
00:53 Ryan52 heh, I just got a phone call from hoaxcall.com ... took me a minute and a google to figure out that's what it was. :P
00:55 kthakore what?
00:56 kthakore neat!!!
00:56 Ryan52 ya lol
00:56 kthakore Ryan52: see pm
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03:09 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.54, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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04:07 * Alias__ shall fix the padre.exe bug today, albeit with a temporary hack
04:09 CSJewell is interested in the fix for padre.exe going in.
04:10 * CSJewell has finally had it with firefox crashes and installed X-Chat again.
04:10 Alias__ Ditto
04:10 Alias__ At home anyway
04:11 CSJewell Right now, I'm waiting for beta builds to finish... so far, B::C did not want to work in 5.8.9, and IPC::System::Simple had a test bug.
04:54 Hyppolit svn: r10106 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10106
04:54 Hyppolit Updated ORLite::Migrate dependency to 1.06 to fix the padre.exe bug
04:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
04:55 Alias__ B:C?
04:56 Alias__ OK, that should hopefully solve it
04:58 Alias__ Crap, it doesn't work
06:52 Hyppolit svn: r10107 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10107
06:52 Hyppolit Added comment on the update disabling
06:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
06:55 Hyppolit svn: r10108 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10108
06:55 Hyppolit Tweaks
06:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:41 * Alias__ wonders if there's a way to generalise padre.exe
07:41 Alias__ As a standalone module
07:42 Alias__ Looks like my fix for the padre.exe problem didn't
07:42 Alias__ work
07:45 Alias__ Looks like it may well could be
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07:47 jq Ryan52: i already started
07:52 Alias__ Crap
07:52 Alias__ Even after I fixed the wperl.exe vs perl.exe problem, something is still failing
07:53 CSJewell Guess I'm waiting until 0.55 to do any serious packaging work.
07:54 Alias__ yup
07:54 Alias__ Not a good idea to let another release out the door with a broken padre.exe
07:59 Alias__ Running plan with perl at 'C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe'
07:59 Alias__ pushd(C:\strawberry\perl\site\lib​\auto\share\dist\Padre\timeline) ok
08:00 Alias__ Oh dear
08:01 Alias__ run3 exception: run3(): Bad file descriptor saving STDOUT at C:/strawberry/perl/site/lib/ORLite/Migrate.pm line 127
08:02 Alias__ Which makes no sense, because the STDOUT is \undef
08:02 CSJewell Maybe that's *why* - it's saying that \undef is a bad descriptor?
08:03 CSJewell (throwing the anchor to windward)
08:04 Alias__ It wouldn't do that JUST because it's in an .exe vs a .bat
08:13 Alias__ open STDOUT_SAVE, ">&STDOUT"
08:13 Alias__ OK, THAT line fails
08:16 Hyppolit #796: Padre Stand alone does not start on Windows after installation (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/796#comment:2 ]
08:17 Alias__ I guess next I need to find out if it's JUST the \undef pass-through that's causing the problem
08:17 Alias__ But I'm a bit worried about something in padre.exe causing the problem
09:19 jq Alias__: ok, the pkgcpan generator for mandriva is working
09:20 jq is there a way to speed up the db fill-up, since 42000 lines take some time to insert
09:24 jq i managed to cut this time in 2, by not adding 32bits modules
09:25 jq (it should be the same than 64bits)
09:28 Ryan52 jq: okay, that works as well.
09:28 Ryan52 jq: make the module to dist mapping usable by all of the ::by::foobar modules, right?
09:35 Ryan52 jq: anyways, once you upload, ping me and I'll do the Debian stuff.
09:36 Ryan52 tho for now, it's 1:30 am, I have shitload of work that I have to do tonight for work tomorrow, and then I have to get up at 8 for work. sounds like an all nighter for me. :P
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09:48 jq Ryan52: yes
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10:18 Sewi gm
10:24 Alias__ jq: I generally do a commit once per thousand lines
10:24 Alias__ jq: Ryan52: Don't use ::By:: it looks silly
10:25 Alias__ Noun::Adjective::Adjective etc
10:25 jq i'm using module::packaged::generator
10:26 jq with some subclasses: module::packaged::generato​r::distribution::mandriva
10:26 Alias__ dear god that's ... long
10:26 jq module::packaged already exists
10:26 Alias__ The ::distribution:: seems a little wasteful too :)
10:26 jq but you won't use that
10:27 Alias__ What else would you have instead of ::distribution:: ?
10:27 jq that's only the database creator
10:27 jq dist:: maybe
10:27 Alias__ No, I mean, if there's a namespace level there, clearly there could be alternate things
10:27 Alias__ ::distribution::
10:27 Alias__ ::personal::
10:27 Alias__ ::company::
10:27 jq ?
10:27 jq i don't really understand your point
10:27 Alias__ If you won't really ever have anything ELSE at that namespace level, then it's largely redundant
10:27 Alias__ And you can just remove it
10:27 jq there will be sthg else
10:28 jq some helper modules
10:28 Alias__ oh?
10:28 Alias__ ah
10:28 jq i also plan to morph it to an application that'll be able to give some stats from the existing db
10:28 jq btw - i'll create ordb::packaged::mandriva that would mirror the cpan_mandriva.db
10:29 Alias__ goddam it's been hot+humid in Sydney lately
10:29 jq however, i don't really know where to put the source of the db
10:29 Alias__ I don't think I'm used to non-drought years any more
10:29 jq here it's snowing
10:29 Alias__ The last 5 years it's mostly been hot and dry
10:29 Alias__ This year there's been tons of rain for once
10:29 Alias__ And floods, of course
10:30 jq where are you hosting the various database for your ordb:: modules?
10:30 Alias__ Yeah, I noticed that Europe has been pretty much slammed by winter this year
10:30 Alias__ The general idea with ORDB was that you don't have to care where it's hosted
10:30 Alias__ They are all over the place
10:31 Alias__ Some were existing files published by barbie out of cpan testers
10:31 jq but there's an original source
10:31 Alias__ Some are on my ali.as server
10:31 Alias__ Each module has a source defined in it
10:31 jq for a given db
10:31 jq yes
10:31 Alias__ A static, updating, url
10:31 jq but i don't know where to put the mandriva db
10:31 jq i can put it on my machine, but it's not 100% up
10:32 Alias__ ORDB can tolerate outages
10:32 Alias__ It only speculatively updates
10:32 Alias__ i.e. If the client is on the internet, and the URL exists, and it can be downloaded
10:32 Alias__ Otherwise it just continues onwards
10:32 jq but the first update needs to be done
10:32 Alias__ True
10:32 Alias__ First time usages will fail
10:33 Alias__ You can generate it in once place, and upload it to a more stable location...
10:33 Alias__ I do that for one of mine
10:33 Ryan52 jq: I used a Debian machine for mine.
10:33 jq Ryan52: will be soon available
10:33 Ryan52 don't you have a mandriva project machine you can abuse? :P
10:33 jq i'll check
10:36 Ryan52 it's amazing to me how google already knows about your dist. I wish search.cpan.org updated as fast as google.
10:36 Alias__ search.cpan is pretty high in the site rankings, and it updates a lot
10:37 Alias__ So the bots are somewhat obsessed with it
10:38 jq Ryan52: there's a first version uploaded on cpan, but wait for the next one please
10:39 Ryan52 jq: I'm not allowing my self to write perl code tonight anyway, so its fine. I'm just looking. :)
10:39 Ryan52 jq: so we have a shared generator, and I guess I'll write a Debian module and just send it to you (via github presumably) and you'll include it in the dist?
10:39 Ryan52 jq: are we going to have a shared ORDB::Packaged dist as well?
10:40 jq yes
10:40 jq for the first question
10:40 jq i don't know about the shared ordb::
10:40 Alias__ Packaged --> Packages?
10:40 jq i'm not sure, since each location will be different
10:40 jq wdyt?
10:40 Ryan52 jq: ya, but we can still put it all in one dist. just have different submodules of the dist fetch from different URLs..
10:41 Ryan52 anyways, whatever you want.
10:41 Alias__ The ORDB modules themselves are usually tiny and trivial to maintain, so merging into one dist shouldn't be too hard
10:41 Alias__ Just means one person has to update when any of the URLs change
10:42 Alias__ Decentralised updates would be the main reason to have seperate dists grouped to a single base name
10:42 Ryan52 if there's gonna be one dist, it might actually have real documentation.
10:42 Alias__ :)
10:42 Ryan52 if they're separate, I'm not documenting mine. :P
10:42 Alias__ ORLite::Pod will autogenerate most of the docs
10:43 Alias__ You just have to fill in a SYNOPSIS and DESCRIPTION
10:43 Alias__ (Which, admittedly, I keep overlooking)
10:44 * Alias__ heads for a bit of Team Fortress 2 before trying to learn PDL and integrate it with ORLite
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11:19 jq Ryan52: Module-Packaged-Generator-1.100091 should be ok
11:19 jq i still plan to add some stuff to it, but it does the basis
11:19 jq that is: create the db, fetch the module list, insert them in the db (with dist name), and create index
11:20 jq note that it requires a 02packages.details.txt.gz in your cpanplus direcotry
11:20 jq which should be the case if you're somehow using cpanplus from time to time
11:21 jq now i need to work on ordb:: stuff
11:21 jq i don't know if i'll have time this week-end. maybe, maybe not.
11:21 jq but that will be easy
11:32 szabgab Alias__, CSJewell http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=816271
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13:32 Hyppolit svn: r10109 | hashbangperl++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10109
13:32 Hyppolit tiny semantic change
13:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/
13:34 Hyppolit svn: r10110 | hashbangperl++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10110
13:34 Hyppolit added QA tests
13:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/t/
13:37 Hyppolit svn: r10111 | hashbangperl++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10111
13:37 Hyppolit Quality tests
13:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/t/
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13:49 teejay so what is the woraround for "Missing or invalid timeline directory" in plugin tests?
13:54 Alias__ hrm?
13:54 Alias__ Where you seeing this?
14:07 teejay trying to compile use_ok tests
14:08 teejay [teejay@hotblackdesiato Padre-Plugin-Autodia]$ /usr/bin/perl -I ../Padre/lib/ t/00load.t
14:08 teejay Missing or invalid timeline directory at ../Padre/lib//Padre/DB.pm line 18
14:19 Getty Alias__: is it a big deal to make a new standalone installer for windows out of the current Padre version?
14:20 Alias__ It's some work, but not unapproachably hard
14:20 Alias__ But we'd kind of like to delay until we get the padre.exe bug fixed
14:20 Getty Alias__: can someone else make that task?
14:20 Getty oh ok what bug? didnt heard of
14:24 Getty i just ask cause i sit on a windows system without padre and just thought i can better play with the newest version so that i makes sense when i report bugs
14:25 Alias__ Getty: It's the highest ranked bug in the entire trac
14:25 Alias__ Go to active tickets, and it's right at the top there
14:25 Alias__ Getty: Best way to update it to install the most recent standalone, which should be half a dozen releases behind
14:25 Alias__ Then go to the command line and run
14:25 Alias__ cpan Padre
14:25 Alias__ And it SHOULD just work
14:26 Getty it SHOULD? ;)
14:26 Getty so i SHOULD test if it really works? ;)
14:26 Alias__ Yep
14:26 Getty then i do this :)
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15:08 teejay ah, that test error goes away if Padre is actually installed
15:09 Alias__ Oh yeah, you might want to have Padre installed to test a plugin to Padre :)
15:09 Alias__ I thought that went more or less without saying :)
15:19 Getty Alias: started cpan client of padre menu and install Padre, and runs fine so far
15:19 Getty Alias: just curious.... the CPAN default setup of the padre standalone is different then the standard unix one
15:20 Alias__ Correct
15:20 Alias__ Ours is better :)
15:20 Getty yes
15:20 Getty i just ask :)
15:20 Getty good
15:20 Alias__ We decided that the command line was ALREADY a challenge for Windows people (in general)
15:20 Alias__ Asking them to do a giant configuration process would just be too much
15:20 Alias__ They already get confused and think the CPAN client is a Perl shell
15:21 Alias__ So we decided to zero-conf preconfigure the CPAN client
15:21 Getty hey hey, i go with that
15:21 Getty totally
15:21 Alias__ So you have to do absolutely nothing, just type "install Module"
15:21 Alias__ And now, fortunately, the default CPAN client is slowly catching up with this idea of zero-conf
15:21 Getty the problem is sadly higher
15:22 Getty CPAN is still very confusing
15:22 Getty in general
15:22 Alias__ Sure
15:22 Getty it definitly totally needs a better interface
15:22 Getty more logging instead of "wall of text"
15:22 Alias__ But at least now it's "spewing large amounts of crap to the screen, while working corretly" confusing
15:22 Getty yeah sure
15:22 Alias__ Not "I have no fucking idea what this question you are asking me about means" confusing
15:22 Getty hehehe
15:23 Getty does it really work without any inner question of a cpan module?
15:23 Getty i
15:23 Alias__ Alas, no
15:23 Getty i dont know how that anyway work "inside"
15:23 Alias__ There is a way to do it
15:23 Alias__ Of sorts
15:23 Alias__ But it's a bit more evil than I'm willing to make Strawberry behave
15:24 Getty just curious, how is that make with inner questions?
15:24 Getty is there a standard?
15:24 Getty or can any cpan author does it how he things is right?
15:24 Alias__ There's some recommended methods
15:25 Alias__ And a recommended way to say you don't want to be asked
15:25 Alias__ But it's not compulsory
15:25 Getty bad
15:25 Getty i got some russian crack coder who was "diving" too much in the windows world (earning money reason mostly)
15:25 Alias__ Most of the time, if any of the bad ones are important, people submit patches to improve it
15:25 Getty but he is more and more interested in perl, and always happy about the stuff it offers
15:25 Getty but he dont get cpan ;) i mean the output of that all
15:26 Alias__ Once we get MYMETA.yml|json working, I expect to see a new generation of CPAN clients
15:26 Getty i'm totally with that
15:26 Alias__ It should finally lock down the protocol in full, and let anyone that wants to write something
15:26 Getty yeah
15:26 Getty i mean at all its "simple"
15:27 Alias__ Right
15:27 Getty we dont talk about billions of possibilities
15:27 Getty i mean its not that you need to ask a dude with 3D data ;)
15:27 Alias__ At the moment, the way the Makefile.PL communicates information back to the CPAN client isn't simple
15:27 Getty yeah
15:27 Alias__ Once that's formalised cleanly, it should become easy
15:27 Alias__ We're actually planning to write a custom CPAN client completely internal to the Strawberry builder
15:27 Getty in that way, debians dpkg concepts did the best shot
15:27 Alias__ So it builds each module into a MSI component as it goes
15:28 Alias__ ugh
15:28 Alias__ Source Repository != Binary Repository
15:28 Alias__ Different problems
15:28 Alias__ That just appear to be simiular
15:28 Getty dpkg also includes source repository concepts
15:28 Getty just noone needs to use them
15:28 Alias__ No it does
15:28 Alias__ No it doesn't
15:28 Alias__ Source repository
15:28 Getty deb-src ? ;)
15:28 Alias__ The main feature of a source repository is that it spans multiple operating systems
15:28 Getty ah yes
15:29 Getty that isnt in it
15:29 Alias__ Which results in a vastly different operating model
15:29 Alias__ You MUST have turing complete configuration
15:29 Getty but that is just out of logical reasons
15:29 Alias__ And dependencies that vary across different OS
15:29 Getty but you can make it very like you want
15:29 Getty yeah they exclude "one package for all OS"
15:29 Getty but that is all
15:29 Getty (and this is clear, they dont need to)
15:29 Alias__ Right, but that is COMPLETELY different
15:29 Getty wait
15:29 Getty it still breaks down to one point:
15:30 Getty interacting with the user about what he wants and what he not wants
15:30 Getty and defining configuration stuff over packages and so on
15:30 Alias__ The user interfaces will inherently look similar
15:30 Alias__ But the actual implementations are vastly different
15:30 Getty yeah behind is it different yes
15:30 Alias__ If you are doing your job right, nobody would ever need to install direct from the source repo
15:30 Alias__ In an ideal world
15:30 Getty but the dpkg configuration concepts and how the interaction with the user can be configured and displayed different is genius
15:30 Alias__ And the modules come pretested, etc
15:30 Getty and that since long time
15:31 Alias__ I'm not a huge fan of dpkg
15:31 Alias__ Although I'd agree it's the least bad of all the current solutions
15:31 Getty you must at all understand
15:31 Getty that what dpkg offers, it offers since 10< years
15:31 Alias__ Sure
15:31 Getty aehm even more lol
15:31 Getty i'm getting old
15:31 Alias__ But then you have to ask why no new replacement
15:32 Getty that is now the point: cause it works totally "perfect" for the user, and so there is no requirement
15:32 Alias__ Clearly there was an important need that took people from RPM to dpkg
15:32 Alias__ "perfect"
15:32 Alias__ It asks stupid questions all the time
15:32 Alias__ Do you want these optional packages?
15:32 Getty you can stop that
15:32 Alias__ How the fuck do I know
15:32 Alias__ I just asked for install "thingy"
15:32 Getty yeah?!
15:32 Getty like standard CPAN?!
15:32 Getty that is the standard behaviour for all core core core stuff
15:33 Getty why you bother around that?
15:33 Getty its about, that i can configure it different, which you can on CPAN, but you cant say: hey i want that all in a TK interface with buttons
15:33 Alias__ In my opinion, you should NEVER have to configure anything like that
15:33 Getty that is another theme
15:33 Alias__ You should be ABLE to, but you shouldn't HAVE to
15:33 Getty yeah sure
15:34 Getty hey
15:34 Getty you mixup stuff here
15:34 Getty you mixup technology with default config
15:34 Alias__ I know
15:34 Alias__ I'm distracted
15:34 Getty i dont talk about default config of dpkg/CPAN
15:34 Getty i talk about the technology
15:34 Getty what CAN be configured
15:34 Getty (for the user of it)
15:34 Getty sure is: i want install Padre and it install
15:34 Getty and doesnt piss me off with any question
15:34 Getty where
15:35 Getty i even say, that package manager should do "anything else they could try"
15:35 Getty like that he tested all kind of combinations, different versions, auto falling back, blablabla
15:35 Getty all that stuff
15:35 Getty must be automatically
15:35 Getty and _I_ must personal say that i dont want it automatically
15:35 Getty software is there to HELP the people :)
15:35 Getty so we are thinking the same, no worry on that
15:36 Alias__ You shouldn't HAVE to use pure CPAN
15:36 Alias__ That's what the Standalone thing is for
15:36 Getty was just example
15:36 Getty Padre/Moose/POE/Something/ot​herstuff/Agame/TeamFortress2
15:36 Alias__ Lets not talk about TF2
15:36 Getty hehehe ;)
15:36 Getty you lost?
15:36 Alias__ Stream is horrendous
15:37 Alias__ Hell no, I kick ass :)
15:37 Getty LOL ;)
15:37 * Alias__ is an OLD school TF1 player
15:37 Getty ah
15:37 Alias__ I played in the first EVER clan match in AU
15:37 Alias__ (and lost, alas)
15:37 Getty i come from Doom => Quake => Cube => Assault Cube => BF1942 => BF2 => Quake Wars
15:37 Alias__ I was so good at TF1 sniping that I used to constantly be accused of aim'botting
15:38 Getty lol
15:38 Getty you must be an aimbotter ;)
15:38 Getty you can code ;)
15:38 Alias__ It helped that, at the time, I was a network admin at my university college (i.e. a dorm) and had the "spare" 100meg back-plane connection secretly routed to my bedroom
15:38 Alias__ So I had a ping of ... 5
15:38 Getty yeah i know that
15:38 Alias__ Not 500, not 50, 5
15:38 Alias__ ms
15:39 Getty i worked at a gameserver provider
15:39 Alias__ heh
15:39 Getty so my ping was 1
15:39 Alias__ Awesome
15:39 Getty at the servers where other peoples had 4-5
15:39 Alias__ We actually managed to work out with quake, lower pings were worse
15:39 Alias__ We had a University team
15:39 Getty i tested always with CS
15:39 Getty CS was reference game
15:39 Getty the mission was always: we need lowest pings in CS
15:39 Alias__ Pings below the frame rate of the server made lag worse
15:39 Getty in CS its a tuning thing
15:39 Getty if you setup a CS server
15:39 Getty and put him to tickrate 100
15:39 Alias__ Yeah, Source--
15:40 Alias__ Quake servers were simple to configure
15:40 Getty it runs totally more worth then 66 or 33
15:40 Alias__ Getty: Where are you btm?
15:40 Getty but then you must finetun
15:40 Alias__ btw
15:40 Getty germany
15:40 Alias__ Alas, we'll never hit the same servers then
15:40 Getty and i must remark: i did CS(S) stuff just for the money
15:40 Getty i even got CSS on my steam account payd by company
15:41 Getty i didnt wanted to spend 10$ for it
15:41 Alias__ hah
15:41 Getty ex-company ;)
15:41 Getty but there i made the big web experiences
15:41 Getty i mean, making the interface (alone) for managing a cluster of gameserver
15:41 Getty making the interface so that other game-admins can configure the game setups
15:41 Getty and so made it possible that we had 200 games with over 500.000 settings configurable via webinterface
15:42 Getty i even generated the configs and other stuff, all configureable and foolproof for the game-admins
15:42 Getty i know anything by name that has a server lol ;)
15:43 Getty PLAVEN/Padre-0.54.tar.gz
15:43 Getty C:\strawberry\c\bin\dmake.EXE install UNINST=1 -- OK
15:43 Getty without any keystroke
15:43 Alias__ Yup :)
15:43 Getty make a shortcut
15:43 Getty in the menu
15:43 Alias__ And half an hour of console spew :)
15:43 Getty "Update Padre"
15:44 Alias__ Good idea
15:44 Getty that just starts the cpan Padre
15:44 Alias__ Would prefer that exists in Padre itself though
15:44 Getty no no
15:44 Alias__ It shuts down padre and spawns a command line window for the upgrade
15:44 Getty bad idea
15:44 Alias__ oh?
15:44 Getty think about it
15:44 Getty your padre is crashed, damaged and stuff
15:44 Getty or you got some other problem
15:44 Getty you cant reach the button
15:44 Getty its good to have it outside
15:44 Getty you can ADDITIONALLY add it inside
15:45 Alias__ point
15:45 Getty but i dont like software that has a button for that, auto update would be ok, like a message at startup "there is new version wanna upgrade before start"
15:45 Getty even tho, more important would be the totally independent CPAN repository
15:46 Getty so that i anyway cant break the legs i walk with
15:46 Alias__ yeah
15:46 Alias__ We'll see some stuff appear after MYMETA.json
15:46 Getty any big approach on that? ;)
15:46 Getty i ask you every 3 months ;)
15:47 Alias__ MYMETA is solved
15:47 Alias__ Just in the implementation phase
15:48 Getty no i mean that splitting of the cpan stuff
15:48 Getty that i got strawberry perl installed and padre with its totally own perl which just is there for padre
15:48 Getty or you want make it all with the MSI?
15:48 Getty so one MSI that just includes it ready?
15:49 Alias__ Padre Standalone is actually just a variant of Strawberry
15:49 Getty yeah i know
15:49 Alias__ use base 'Perl::Dist::Strawberry' in fact
15:49 Getty thats why i ask :)
15:49 Getty every 3 months ;)
15:49 Alias__ heh
15:49 Getty i want that
15:49 Getty think about it
15:49 Alias__ Strawberry releases every three months, so that's handy
15:49 Getty we can really work with perl in much opener context
15:49 Getty if i can make a totally independent MSI of my software
15:49 Getty for distribution
15:49 Alias__ yup
15:50 Alias__ I know
15:50 Getty and something i can resist on
15:50 Alias__ Lots of people ask for that
15:50 Getty not a friggle heck mack
15:50 Getty yeah
15:50 Getty and YOU are the dude
15:50 Alias__ Strawberry + My Stuff as MSI installable via Active Directory Group Policy
15:50 Getty everybody i talk about it say => go to Alias ;)
15:50 * Alias__ is mostly just figurehead and policy guy these days
15:50 Getty important is just that i can make an MSI that just works with any modules it needs
15:50 Alias__ CSJewell does the hard work, and kmx does the crazy low level compiler work
15:51 Getty yeah CSJewell too
15:51 Getty i go to him also every 3 months
15:51 Alias__ Just yesterday he finally got GCC4 32+64 bit with Wx and Padre compiling
15:51 Alias__ And all the supporting deps
15:51 Getty Wx doesnt compile on anything
15:51 Alias__ Hrm?
15:51 Getty i always got the big trouble with it
15:51 Getty dont know... we had that theme last time
15:51 Getty installing Padre on debian
15:52 Getty its some crazy chaos that happens
15:52 Alias__ Sorry, GCC4 on Windows :)
15:52 Alias__ is what I meant
15:52 Getty yeah i know
15:52 Getty i just say that i understand any hazzle around Wx ;)
15:52 Getty so... i got padre new
15:53 Getty oooooooookkkkkkkkkkkk
15:53 Getty it doesnt start?
15:53 Alias__ That's a bug
15:53 Getty ah
15:53 Alias__ Run "padre.bat"
15:53 Alias__ Once, first
15:53 Alias__ After that, then you can run padre.exe
15:53 Getty mmmmkkkkaaayyyyy
15:53 Alias__ It's a (rather embarrasing) bug
15:54 Getty that is an indiana jones 4 bug
15:54 Alias__ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/796
15:55 Getty crazy
15:55 Getty "it doesnt make any sense"
15:55 Alias__ It's something to do with the existance and nature of STDOUT
16:04 Getty mh
16:04 Getty yes logical ok
16:04 Getty it does make sense
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