Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2010-01-12

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01:08 * Alias has taken over Test::NoWarnings
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01:33 kthakore Alias: are you the Borg?
01:33 kthakore Alias: is resistance futile?
01:35 Alias More or less
01:36 * Alias is CPAN of Borg
01:36 Alias Maintenance is Futile
01:36 Alias You will be Co-Maint'ed
01:38 kthakore will I really!
01:38 kthakore I can only hope!
01:38 kthakore :)
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07:17 azawawi good morning
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07:20 Alias hi
07:20 azawawi hi Alias
07:26 waxhead hey all..
07:26 waxhead just popping before starting dinner...
07:26 waxhead not that i feel like cooking in this heat!
07:26 azawawi hi waxhead
07:27 waxhead no bugs posted against .54 yet
07:28 waxhead would it make sence to have 'report bug' in Padre that captured details from the editor and created a new ticket ?
07:28 waxhead that way we don't have to 'force' people into having an account to report problems...
07:30 azawawi waxhead: capture what details from the editor?
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07:32 waxhead version number os etc.. and then a text box for them to write what happened..
07:32 waxhead or happens as the case maybe..
07:33 waxhead one of the barriers to getting bug reports is the need to log into trac..
07:33 waxhead so have an account for the editor to use to report to..
07:33 waxhead I'm not even sure trac has an api to use to do this...
07:33 waxhead just an idea..
07:36 azawawi sounds nice
07:36 azawawi im still trying to pull myself from the vacation-mode :)
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07:41 Alias_ jq: Some problems with FreeDesktop
07:41 Alias_ jq: See my journal post
07:41 Alias_ jq: /etc/xdg isn't good enough
07:41 Alias_ Apparently some other unixes use a different path
07:43 azawawi Alias_: different path for what?
07:43 Alias_ azawawi, to detect if an operating system makes use of the FreeDesktop.org standards for filesystem user paths
07:44 azawawi ah thx
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08:56 jq Alias_: will see
08:58 jq Alias_: so, would testing /etc/xdg and /usr/local/etc/xdg be ok?
09:03 szabgab Alias has taken over Test::NoWarnings
09:03 szabgab wow, so now we can start enforcing the "no nowarnings" in CPANS :-)
09:03 szabgab CPANTS
09:04 szabgab waxhead, in any way we need to capture the user somehow
09:04 szabgab and get him/her to insert the e-mail to get notifications on the status of the bug
09:16 Alias_ jq: Sounds like a plan
09:16 Alias_ jq: Are we executing that config file instead of reading it yet?
09:18 jq reading it
09:18 Alias_ The other comment I got on my post was that since it's an executable script, we should be running it, not parsing it
09:18 jq should we execute an external app? that sounds like not-that-good an idea
09:18 Alias_ I know
09:19 Alias_ I'm not sure who decided that was a good idea
09:19 Alias_ I suppose we could read it, scan it for the most common structure, and if it matches parse it
09:19 jq and it's not even a script, it's to be sourced in a bash-compatible script
09:19 Alias_ And if it fails, then... um... throw an error for now :)
09:19 Alias_ Huh?
09:19 Alias_ Is that commenter wrong
09:19 jq permissions are 600
09:19 Alias_ Oh!
09:19 jq however, it's sourced by the shell
09:19 Alias_ It is too
09:20 jq which then inherits the new env vars
09:20 Alias_ That would imply that nobody else can ever read it
09:20 Alias_ 1. You can't legally run it
09:20 Alias_ 2. You can't accurately parse it
09:20 Alias_ Thus, it can only ever be accessed throught the %ENV
09:20 Alias_ That's the logic I'm seeing in my head
09:21 jq oh, the commenter metioned xdg-user-dir script
09:21 jq which indeed does the job
09:21 jq however, i'm not that fond of the idea
09:23 jq the soft needs to be called like: xdg-user-dir DESKTOP
10:12 waxhead szabgab, Padre::Plugin::ReportBug ?
10:12 waxhead ok. off to bed.. will think about it..
10:12 szabgab need to think about the server si...
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12:14 daxim Alias, I have patches for File::HomeDir
12:23 jq daxim: ask alias for svn powers
12:33 kthakore daxim++
12:33 daxim calm down
12:33 kthakore daxim++ for git advocacy
12:34 kthakore daxim no
12:34 daxim ah, in that case, applaud :)
12:34 kthakore daxim come to #sdl we use git++
12:35 kthakore szabgab will not like this hehe
12:35 daxim I'm not doing anything with sdl yet.  I have read domm's invader source code, though
12:35 kthakore cool
12:36 daxim looks less complicated than I thought
12:36 kthakore yup
12:36 daxim I wanted to write a linux/perl BMS game for a long time, but never had the tuits
12:37 kthakore although right the redesign branch has mre docs
12:37 kthakore and examples
12:37 kthakore http://sdl.perl.org
12:37 daxim I've seen that when you blogged it
12:37 kthakore cool
12:38 kthakore k git pal i gtg to work
12:38 kthakore may the git be with you
12:38 kthakore ok that was lame
12:38 kthakore cya
12:38 kthakore hi jq
12:39 kthakore bye jq
12:48 kthakore cyavzz
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12:51 daxim good evening
12:51 daxim can I have svn powers?  finished my patches for File::HomeDir
12:51 jq Alias_: daxim wants an svn account on your svn repository
12:56 Alias_ daxim: What's your CPAN id
12:56 daxim daxim
12:56 Alias_ added
12:56 Alias_ Email on the way
12:57 kthakore Alias_: you have assimilated another
12:57 Alias_ The Test::NoWarnings thing?
12:57 daxim he means me
12:57 kthakore heh
12:58 Alias_ ah
12:58 Alias_ kthakore: You got my response on the india thing?
12:59 Alias_ kthakore, one of my Indian colleagues comments that if he gets one more question from people in India about this fairly non-existant problem, HE's going to go out and start beating up Indians just to create a national embarrasemen
12:59 Alias_ embarasement
13:00 kthakore hehe
13:00 kthakore he would do that
13:00 kthakore Alias_: ya I saw it
13:00 kthakore but now it means I need to relearn cricket if I wanna go to australia
13:01 kthakore k ttyl
13:03 daxim comitted
13:17 sjn szabgab: http://fosdem.org/2010/schedu​le/events/padre_the_perl_ide
13:18 szabgab great
13:18 szabgab let me check that it does not collide with my other talk
13:18 sjn your picture is broken, btw
13:19 szabgab yes I see
13:19 szabgab or I rather don't :-)
13:19 szabgab I try to send another one
13:22 szabgab sjn, is your talk perl related?
13:24 sjn not really
13:25 sjn http://fosdem.org/2010/sch​edule/events/kaizendo_org
13:25 sjn that's my talk (although OT for this channel :-P)
13:25 * sjn sees some things that need fixing
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14:11 kthakore szabgab: man I wish I could be there !
14:12 szabgab I'll need your help preparing the show
14:12 szabgab so I can show SDL
14:12 kthakore szabgab: sure I will have all of 31 - feb 6 for this
14:12 kthakore szabgab: np
14:13 kthakore szabgab: my exam is done on 29th
14:13 kthakore do you have a liveCD yet?
14:13 szabgab I'll be off-line from 21-31/Jan
14:13 kthakore ok Feb 1st on then?
14:13 szabgab we have that DVD that I have not tried yet
14:13 kthakore szabgab: ok
14:13 szabgab and we don't have the budget for it
14:14 kthakore figured as much
14:14 szabgab nor do we have anyone who would do it
14:14 kthakore I will if you can accept it after the 1st
14:14 kthakore but I think it will be too crappy of a job
14:14 kthakore we should prepare for next event
14:14 szabgab I think it is not enough time for the company to produce the cds
14:15 kthakore yup
14:15 szabgab I don't even know how much time they need
14:15 szabgab or who they would be :-)
14:15 kthakore me neither
14:15 kthakore ok so let me know what you need from SDL
14:15 kthakore also ruoso, garu and FROGGS are good people to ask on #sdl if I am not arround
14:16 kthakore szabgab: I will be available in the evenings so you can ask me then too
14:17 szabgab as a starter write down what should I install and how - if it is not obvious - do it maybe in a blog post or on your wiki
14:20 kthakore szabgab: ok is this from CPAN or the Redesign
14:20 kthakore szabgab: which stuff are you trying to show off?
14:20 garu if you're lucky enough, Alien::SDL and SDL should do the trick... but people are working hard on a complete refactoring that breaks back-compat, so I'm not too sure about the CPAN status of things
14:21 szabgab kthakore, I don't know, that's the point
14:21 szabgab I need to be told which would be the best to show
14:21 szabgab assuming I have to prepare it in the next 10 days or so
14:21 szabgab as I won't have much time in the first week of February
14:22 kthakore szabgab: well CPAN has frozen Bubble
14:22 kthakore szabgab: but redesign has bouncy, tetris, more examples and docs
14:22 kthakore and soon Frozen Bubble
14:22 kthakore ....
14:22 szabgab that's not something I can brag with too much, right
14:22 szabgab it is old new
14:22 szabgab FB that is
14:22 kthakore szabgab: right
14:23 kthakore szabgab: so lets go for redesign
14:23 szabgab but don't tell me now
14:23 kthakore as that way you don't get a crappy pos
14:23 kthakore ok
14:23 kthakore szabgab: I will make a post of it
14:23 szabgab I need to focus on sg else now
14:23 szabgab great
14:23 kthakore in the week or someting
14:23 kthakore garu: since you are here question for you
14:24 kthakore garu: what is the simplest perl standalone wiki out there
14:24 kthakore I need it only for 3 or 4 ppl
14:24 kthakore szabgab: padre needs a wiki creator if you guys are doing team work
14:25 kthakore szabgab: please?
14:25 szabgab sure
14:25 kthakore szabgab: do you know of a simple wiki in perl?
14:26 jq kthakore: there are tons of them
14:27 kthakore jq: which one do you recommend?
14:27 jq none, since i'm not using one :-)
14:27 jq but i heard that kwiki is simple and quite ok
14:27 kthakore jq: well that was helpful thanks
14:27 kthakore ok
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14:27 garu kthakore, no idea... some people are fond of Foswiki, others of kwiki, but I don't have an opinion on the matter
14:28 jq kthakore: since i don't use one, i can't comment on them
14:31 kthakore szabgab: also your generated Makefiles for Padre are getting to big for dmake
14:32 kthakore I get this error dmake:  makefile:  line 906:  Error: -- Input line too long, increase MAXLINELEN
14:32 kthakore GTH
14:32 kthakore /win 2
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14:42 szabgab kthakore, talk to Alias about this, he is the windows expert
14:48 Alias_ For some definition of expert
14:48 Alias_ Curious
14:48 Alias_ We already had them increase maxlinelen
14:48 kthakore Alias_: dmake splode!
14:49 Alias_ I heard
14:49 Alias_ Not for me though, yet
14:49 * Alias_ bed
14:49 kthakore kk
14:49 kthakore Alias_: gnight
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16:28 Hyppolit svn: r10118 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10118
16:28 Hyppolit Update Padre Italian translation
16:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
16:31 Hyppolit svn: r10119 | tsee++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10119
16:31 Hyppolit adapt to modern Padres
16:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/lib/Padre/Plugin/
16:34 Hyppolit svn: r10120 | tsee++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10120
16:34 Hyppolit Require Padre 0.47. Update Changelog for 0.02 release
16:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-DataWalker/
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16:37 Hyppolit svn: r10121 | tsee++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10121
16:37 Hyppolit Tag Padre-Plugin-DataWalker 0.02
16:37 Hyppolit tags/
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20:30 bricas is there a section in the current app that shows the project settings?
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20:44 Sewi I don't think so.
20:44 Sewi But most of the project settings are "hidden" anyway like the project dir.
20:50 bricas this doesn't seem to be immediately obvious to me either: how do i access a project config setting from a plugin?
20:51 Sewi I don't think there is a difference between global and project config with Padre. The project config updates the Padre->ide->config object.
20:52 bricas err, isn't it dependant on the file i'm viewing?
20:52 Sewi it is
20:52 bricas *dependent
20:53 bricas so, wouldn't i want to do something off of $main->current at least?
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21:51 basti1985 hello can someone help to install padre on ubuntu (karmic) .. i try ist with the package from ubuntu -> the result is that i cant install the php plugin .. i try the archive from the website -> the result: there is no cpan (?) --
21:52 Sewi Hi basti
21:52 Sewi On ubuntu: Try "sudo cpan Padre"
21:53 Sewi Better: "sudo cpan" --> Do the configuration (if needed) --> "o prerequisites-policy follow" --> "install Padre"
21:53 Sewi This will install all required dependencies automatically
21:54 basti1985 sewi tahnks but just this or linke in the block with  "o prerequisites_policy "
21:54 basti1985 sewi linke = like
21:56 Sewi Wir k�nnen das auch auf Deutsch machen :-)
21:57 Sewi Wenn Du "sudo cpan" eingibst, startet der CPAN-Client. Die Zeile "o prerequ..." �ndert die CPAN-Konfiguration so, dass er automatisch die Abh�ngigkeiten installiert.
21:57 Sewi Das "install Padre" sorgt dann f�r den eigentlichen Download
22:19 basti1985 sewi ich erhalte weiter folgende fehler http://pastebin.com/d1dc83f8d
22:21 basti1985 "o prerequ..." gibt mir known optoins aus ... install.... bricht dann mit den o.g. fehler ab
22:22 basti1985 ferner fragt er auch immer nach verschiedenen "fall back's"
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23:12 Sewi basti1985: Sorry, das hei�t "prerequisites_policy"
23:14 Sewi Versuch mal vorher "sudo apt-get install libwx-perl libalien-wxwidgets-perl", das k�nnte Deine Wx-Probleme l�sen.
23:15 basti1985 sewi ich bekomm immer noch diesen fehler http://pastebin.com/d4f609321
23:17 Sewi Versuch "sudo cpan pip" bzw. wenn Du noch im CPAN-client bist "install pip". Sollte er da Probleme machen, "force install Padre" - das ignoriert das pip-Problem
23:23 Sewi Sorry, es ist Zeit f�r mich, bin morgen ab ca. 7:30 wieder hier...
23:23 Sewi gn8
23:23 basti1985 danke gleichfalls
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