Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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Time Nick Message
00:00 * Alias growls at Padre flickering
00:07 Hyppolit svn: r10194 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10194
00:07 Hyppolit Added an Update lock to prevent flicker during menu changes
00:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
00:11 waxhead did it work?
00:12 waxhead I don't see much flickering
00:12 Alias It's reduced it a little
00:12 Alias I think we need to move to static top level menus fairly soon
00:12 Alias IntelliJ solves the layout fairly well
00:12 Alias They have something like this
00:13 Alias File - Edit - Search - View - Analyze - Refactor - Run - Project - Tools - Window - Help
00:13 Alias Instead of hiding away the top level entries, we could probably just change their content to be empty
00:14 Alias So you get Refactor -> "No Options for This Document Type"(disabled)
00:15 kthakore Alias: hi ...
00:15 kthakore Alias: question
00:15 Alias kthakore: heya
00:15 kthakore Alias: I made a Run menu item
00:15 kthakore that runs make test
00:16 kthakore it is  Build + run all test
00:16 kthakore in run menu
00:16 kthakore right now it has hard coded if Makefile is found
00:16 kthakore it runs make test
00:16 kthakore but strawberry has dmake
00:17 kthakore how do I detect dmake v.s make ?
00:17 Alias $Config{make}
00:17 kthakore yay!
00:17 kthakore thaknks
00:17 Alias While you are there, take a good long read through the other things \%Config gives you
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00:18 Alias The number one mistake people new to Perl toolchain development make it they don't realise how much stuff is run out of $Config
00:18 Alias And instead they guess or just apply the most common convension
00:18 Alias A quick browse through the stuff available to you in \%Config is well worth while
00:20 Hyppolit svn: r10195 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10195
00:20 Hyppolit wxDEFAULT_FRAME_STYLE already contains wxCLIP_CHILDREN
00:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
00:22 waxhead how come .. ( parent dir ) was taken out of the directory tree control?
00:23 Alias What's the label on the tab?
00:23 Alias Directory or Project?
00:26 waxhead project at hte moment, but when I closed all the open tabs it went back to directory, but the .. wasn't showing
00:26 waxhead oh... it's there...
00:26 waxhead sorry..
00:27 Alias n/p
00:27 waxhead ahh... maybe it didn't 'clear' the notion of 'project'.
00:28 waxhead now I'm looking around the Plugin dir it only shows Directory, where before it was showing project...
00:28 waxhead What
00:29 waxhead What's the go with plugins that want to store config/state information?  do they have access to Padre's config DB, or should they do their own thing here?
00:29 waxhead for example, the SVN plugin really should be configured to know what DIFF tool you want to use and open that when it needs to
00:30 Hyppolit #826: Allow changing the FunctionList sort order by right click (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/826 ]
00:30 Alias Padre has a setting for a diff tool
00:30 Alias There's two levels to this
00:30 Alias Padre itself should internally allow configuring of things that are likely to be reused a lot
00:31 Alias So the location of diff tools etc
00:31 Alias And Padre also currently has the config entry for the location of your personal/project level perltidyrc or perlcriticrc
00:31 waxhead cool.. makes that bit easy then  :)
00:33 Alias Beyond that, I personally don't think that we should give plugins access to our database directly
00:33 Alias I think we should provide a way for a plugin to have a private directory
00:33 Alias If they want to put a SQLite database or working/cache data inside of it, that's up to them
00:33 Alias We SHOULD however, support some kind of high level config integration
00:33 Alias (Probably) :)
00:34 Alias Where the plugin can say
00:34 Alias sub plugin_settings {
00:34 Alias return ( mysetting => Padre::Constant::HUMAN );
00:34 Alias ... or something like that
00:34 Alias And Padre will pick up a setting of something like
00:34 Alias plugin.Full::Module::Name.mysetting
00:35 Alias That could get a little tricky to adminster, but seems the sanest way
00:36 Alias Adding Padre::Plugin API support for plugins to ask for their private directory path (auto-creating on the fly if needed) is the next logical step, I guess
00:36 waxhead I'm sure there are going to be plugins that want to save state...
00:36 Alias Sure
00:36 Alias The cheapest way to kick that off is the private directory
00:37 waxhead for example an SQL plugin that stores the connection information to various database servers
00:37 Alias right
00:37 Alias We even have an existing pattern for it
00:37 Alias plugin_directory_foo
00:37 Alias plugin_directory_share provides the File::ShareDir path for a plugin
00:38 Alias plugin_directory_locale provides the path to the translation files
00:38 waxhead I have to head to the shops to get food for kids lunches... back soon
00:38 waxhead does it?
00:38 Alias yup
00:38 Alias Read through Padre::Plugin docs
00:38 waxhead oh... I'll think about it while I'm out.. I'll check into it when i get back
00:38 Alias So we'd want to add padre_plugin_data or something similar
00:38 Alias or padre_plugin_private
00:39 Alias Some operating systems may want us to split up the data by type
00:41 Hyppolit svn: r10196 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10196
00:41 Hyppolit Removed the use of the legacy plugin_locale_directory method
00:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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01:41 kthakore Alias: I get this Global symbol "%Config"
01:41 kthakore requires explicit package name at
01:44 kthakore hi waxhead if you are arround where can I get the %Config hash from in Padre::Wx::Main callbacks?
02:16 Alias use Config;
02:16 Alias my $make = $Config{make}
02:16 Alias perldoc Config;
02:16 Alias perldoc Config
02:18 kthakore I tried that
02:18 kthakore no go
02:20 shadowpaste "kthakore" at 217.168.144.84 pasted "Alias here is what I did" (35 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38387
02:20 kthakore Alias: ^^
02:27 Alias And which make is it using?
02:28 Alias perl -MConfig -e "print qq{$Config{make}\n};"
02:33 kthakore make
02:33 kthakore but the thing fails
02:33 Alias What fails, and now
02:34 Alias I'm not currently entirely convinced that ->run_command is working properly
02:34 kthakore it says $Config{make} doesn't exist
02:34 kthakore ok
02:34 Alias It says make doesn't exist?
02:39 kthakore no
02:39 kthakore it says %config doesn't exist
02:40 Alias %config doesn't exist
02:40 Alias it's %Config
02:40 kthakore right
02:40 Alias And you didn't import it :)
02:40 kthakore please read the diff
02:40 Alias Which means it's %Config::Config
02:40 kthakore oh
02:40 kthakore ok
02:41 kthakore work!
02:41 kthakore ok
02:41 kthakore I push
02:42 Hyppolit svn: r10197 | kthakore++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10197
02:42 Hyppolit Added configure usage for system specific make. Also made the text for Build + Test menu action better/
02:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
02:42 kthakore yay!
02:42 kthakore ok now movie time
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03:43 waxhead Alias, with the plugin dir, can the method be 'lazy' and just be a copy of the plugin_directory_locale method, only for either the agreed on 'data' or 'private'  ?
03:44 Alias It should probably absolutely be lazy
03:44 Alias Padre itself will never call it
03:44 Getty Alias: oh awake already again?
03:44 Alias The plugin is the only thing that ever calls that method, and Padre::Plugin just provides a sane default implementation that creates the directory on the fly if needed
03:44 Alias "Already"
03:45 Getty i cant messure, i'm still awake
03:45 Getty its 5 o'clock here
03:45 Getty and i made bad progress
03:45 waxhead Alias, so it's a case of cargo culting the _locale method? :)
03:48 Alias No
03:49 Alias _locale and _share deal with system-installed read-only data
03:49 Alias You want a location for run-time operating data
03:49 Alias You want something more like PADRE_HOME/plugins/private/Padre-Plugin-ClassName/
03:50 Alias Looking at that path, I think the term "private" makes the most sense for this
03:50 Alias Just so we're absolutely clear that Padre itself isn't allowed in there
03:52 waxhead oh right..
03:52 waxhead ok.. I think I see enough to start doing some damage.. I'll mull it over and read code
03:53 Alias Padre::Constant::SOMETHING is where you'd get the base of that path from
04:09 waxhead PLUGIN_DIR would be it I'd say
04:09 Alias Looks like it
04:09 Alias We probably should move the search path for my plugin down a level or something while we're at it
04:10 Alias PLUGIN_DIR/lib or something
04:10 waxhead I might put all these constants in pod.. makes it easier to find in doco rather than having to read the code itself
04:10 Alias That would be great
04:10 waxhead cool...
04:10 * Alias is actually a teensy bit peeved at that class
04:10 Alias Since it requires a bunch of filesystem operations just to find out you are on Windows
04:10 waxhead I'll go start dinner and make the doco the first thing I do.. then I'll do the rest...
04:11 waxhead oo.. actually I only have 50 minutes for the release to start
04:11 Alias :)
04:11 Alias It can be done for the next release, that's fine
04:11 waxhead so, dinner, release then the doco
04:11 waxhead then the rest...
04:11 Alias If we have to every hurry to get something in for release that isn't a blocker bug fix, we're doing osmething wrong
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04:59 waxhead ok.. that's it.. no more changes until after release is done
05:02 Hyppolit svn: r10198 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10198
05:02 Hyppolit Update to Changes for release 0.55
05:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
05:04 Hyppolit svn: r10199 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10199
05:04 Hyppolit Perl Tidy for release 0.55
05:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
05:06 waxhead Alias, ping...
05:06 waxhead Alias, Setting VERSION 0.55
05:06 waxhead No VERSION in lib/Padre/DB/Migrate.pm
05:06 waxhead No VERSION in lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/Patch.pm
05:07 Alias uuum
05:07 Alias Feel free to add them
05:07 Alias Or I can...
05:08 Hyppolit svn: r10200 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10200
05:08 Hyppolit Matching versions to 0.54
05:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/
05:09 waxhead thanks.. had to check dinner
05:12 waxhead Alias, the update_version_number script is looking for $_ =~ /^our \$VERSION\s*=\s*'\d+\.\d\.?\d';/
05:12 waxhead either we make that script smarter or you'll need to comply with the rest of the Classes that use our $VERSION=
05:17 Hyppolit svn: r10201 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10201
05:17 Hyppolit Changed format of $VERSION to suit the update_version_number.pl script
05:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/
05:17 Hyppolit svn: r10202 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10202
05:17 Hyppolit Changed format of $VERSION to suit the update_version_number.pl script
05:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/
05:20 Hyppolit svn: r10203 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10203
05:20 Hyppolit Version update to 0.55
05:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DocBrowser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Project/ trunk/Pad
05:39 waxhead hmmm My Plugin is showing 0.50...
05:39 waxhead ok.. once more and I'll have a URL to test Padre with
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05:43 Hyppolit svn: r10204 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10204
05:43 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.55
05:43 Hyppolit tags/
05:47 waxhead ok here it is, can people please try it out: http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.55.tar.gz
05:47 waxhead szabgab, if all goes well: http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.55.tar.gz
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06:09 waxhead Alias, can you test the new release?
06:09 waxhead Alias, http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.55.tar.gz
06:09 Hyppolit svn: r10205 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10205
06:09 Hyppolit [XL] add some of the plugins
06:09 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-XL/lib/Perl/Dist/
06:10 waxhead szabgab, ping...
06:10 szabgab gm
06:10 waxhead afternoon.. :)
06:10 waxhead http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.55.tar.gz
06:10 waxhead No one has taken it for a run yet...
06:10 szabgab copying now
06:12 submersible1 erk - waxhead - your upstream is dreadful ... must be in australia :)
06:12 waxhead yeah.. or the kids are hammering youtube!
06:12 szabgab http://perlide.org/downloa​d/source/Padre-0.55.tar.gz
06:12 submersible1 point
06:13 szabgab or  I was also uploading it ...
06:13 waxhead likely
06:13 szabgab waxhead, how old are your kids?
06:13 waxhead I'm thinking of churning and getting an ADSL2 connection
06:13 waxhead 10 and 14
06:13 szabgab so they are slightly older than mine
06:13 submersible1 and loose on youtube !
06:14 waxhead schools holidays too...
06:14 waxhead bigpond sucks..
06:15 submersible1 ..great big donkey nuts - yes .. yes they do
06:15 szabgab it installed just fine on ubuntu
06:15 waxhead hence I'm thinking about churning.. but apathy with all the mailing lists holds me back
06:15 szabgab is it on CPAN already ?
06:16 waxhead szabgab, not yet.. just waiting on OK with installing.. I have it ready to go
06:16 submersible1 chasing deps here
06:16 szabgab just upload it
06:16 waxhead submersible1,  internode seems pretty good... even has free iView which the ps3 now has in the menu!
06:16 waxhead szabgab, ok..
06:17 submersible1 waxhead: i noticed that recently... most providers are doing a crap job at unmetered content
06:17 waxhead or just pick really crap content
06:18 szabgab on windows it will take a while to test as it decided to upgrade IE to 7 , just for the fun
06:18 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.55, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
06:20 submersible1 works 4 me
06:20 waxhead sweet.. it worked here on ubuntu..
06:20 waxhead I'll write the release details shortly...
06:26 szabgab installed on windows as well
06:27 waxhead you know it would be good to know this before we release it on CPAN  :)
06:28 waxhead szabgab, don't forget to update trac with the new version
06:28 szabgab I don't think it is really that big an issue
06:29 szabgab if we find out it is broken we can just release a new one
06:29 szabgab you will have to build a new one anyway
06:29 waxhead sure.. nice not to though..
06:29 waxhead right.. the hardest part is to be done.. writting up the release blurb...
06:29 szabgab :-)
06:32 szabgab btw we should get more pictures on http://padre.perlide.org/developers.html
06:32 szabgab and more people writing about themselves
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06:52 Sewi gm
06:53 szabgab sgm sewi
06:53 szabgab we have a new version of Padre
06:54 szabgab and I just noticed I don't see you listed here: http://padre.perlide.org/developers.html
06:54 szabgab pls add yourself
06:54 Sewi ok
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07:06 jq ooh, padre 0.55 is out?
07:06 szabgab yep
07:06 * Alias_ looks at his watch
07:06 Alias_ Should be
07:07 Alias_ jq: Although not really any features
07:07 Alias_ jq: Just a lot of performance stuff
07:07 szabgab and I am trying to build a stand-alone for linux using perl 5.11.4 and padre 0.55
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07:13 Hyppolit svn: r10206 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10206
07:13 Hyppolit New developer list item
07:13 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/developers/
07:14 Alias_ Now we show the list of all document types, I wonder if we should split it in half
07:14 Alias_ With "enhanced" document types that have Padre::Document subclasses active shown above the rest
07:15 szabgab Alias, in the show as  or view as  menu you mean?
07:15 Alias_ yeah
07:15 Alias_ I meant re: Add full list of file types to the View Document As menu (SZABGAB)
07:15 szabgab in some editors it has several groups
07:16 szabgab a-f   g-q
07:16 Alias_ I don't want that
07:16 szabgab one level below the current list
07:16 Alias_ Maybe we could show "first class" languages explicitly, and then have a sub-menu for "limited support"
07:16 Alias_ a-f and g-q is stupid and arbitrary
07:16 Hyppolit svn: r10207 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10207
07:16 Hyppolit data update
07:16 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
07:16 szabgab but easy to fin something
07:16 szabgab find
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07:18 Alias_ Define a metric for "easy"
07:18 Alias_ You have to stop and think which range the first letter of the word falls into
07:18 Alias_ Easy but cumbersome
07:19 Sewi What about showing the ~5 last/most used items at the same level as a-f g-q
07:20 Alias_ I'd like to show all the file types for which we have Padre::Document::Module classes
07:20 Alias_ Or perhaps also for all those that we auto-detect reliably...
07:20 szabgab sounds reasonable but users won't really understand it
07:21 szabgab why is this here and that is there /
07:21 szabgab ?
07:21 Sewi Sure, but how many different files does one develop actually use? I mean the top 5 last/most used types by this develops and they still should be in the sorted list
07:21 Hyppolit svn: r10208 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10208
07:21 Hyppolit Updating POD.
07:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
07:21 szabgab you know we have no idea I think
07:22 szabgab when would people use this
07:22 szabgab only when we could not autodetect the correct file type
07:22 waxhead I only work on Perl in Padre
07:22 waxhead :)
07:23 Sewi Padre could save the count or last-used-date per type in some db and automatically show the top items from this db for quicker access.
07:23 szabgab I have Template:toolkit, HTMl::Template files
07:23 szabgab Apache conf file
07:24 szabgab anway probably more important is that padre will remember the manual association in a perl file base
07:24 szabgab Alias, ??
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07:24 szabgab anyway probably more important is that padre will remember the manual association in a perl file base
07:24 Sewi So your personal Padre would show Perl, TT, HTML and Apache top
07:25 szabgab s/perl file base/per file base
07:29 Alias_ <szabgab> sounds reasonable but users won't really understand it
07:29 Alias_ If you make the submenu something like "Limited Support Only"
07:29 Alias_ Then you get a list of files, and communicate the reason the others are treated as second class
07:29 szabgab maybe
07:29 Alias_ But I note that what we REALLY need is to get the Telemetry stuff from the popularity contest plugin working
07:30 Alias_ So we can actually start to collect this kind of thing
07:30 Sewi yes
07:30 szabgab in the end I don't think that this is so important now, it would be more important to (1 remember the selection,  2 improve the gile type guessing, 3 record what people actually select and send it to us)
07:30 Sewi "c" and "c++" are shown at the bottom of the list. I think they should be called "C" and "C++", shouldn't they?
07:30 szabgab oh you just said 3
07:31 waxhead do we have a syntax highlighter for TT yet?  That would be cool..
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07:34 Alias_ Oh hey!
07:34 Alias_ Someone fixed the Save All bug?
07:34 Sewi yes, waxhead did it yesterday
07:34 Alias_ Doesn't seem to work for me
07:35 * Alias_ checks to see if he's fallen behind trunk
07:39 Sewi Anybody against renaming of c to C?
07:40 szabgab Sewi++
07:40 szabgab and I fixed the site updating code so you showed up
07:41 Sewi thanks
07:42 szabgab there are several things that I'll need to fix in that code
07:44 Alias_ Yeah, fix it
07:44 Hyppolit svn: r10209 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10209
07:44 Hyppolit Renamed c/c++ to C/C++ and made the mime type list sorted case-insensitive
07:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
07:47 Hyppolit #827: Fix the web site generation code (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/827 ]
08:01 waxhead Save all Isn't working?
08:08 Alias_ waxhead: I think I'm out of date
08:09 Alias_ I meant the "changed" star on the tabs
08:10 waxhead Alias_ yeah.. that's what I've been harping on about all week.. I didn't want to do it becuase of the way it does it... but in the end the only way to stimulate discussion is to just drop it into trunk..
08:10 waxhead :)
08:10 waxhead I'm not a big fan of the way it does it, simply because it will fire all the refresh stuff ( like update function list and outline ) when it grabs the the tab's focus...
08:11 waxhead #331
08:11 Hyppolit #331: * saveall doesn't update tabs (ie asterisk still there until you click tab) (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/331#comment:7 ]
08:19 jq szabgab: regarding your last blog post...
08:19 jq here are mandriva stats:
08:19 jq 14192 installed modules including 12830 from cpan (17.39% of cpan) that is 1821 distributions (9.33% of cpan)
08:20 szabgab thanks,  do you know if any Mandriva perl packager will attend FOSDEM?
08:20 szabgab Is there anyone else besides you?
08:21 jq i think guillomovitch will attend
08:21 jq let me check
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08:23 jq szabgab: he's not responding, i'll keep you updated
08:24 szabgab it would be nice if we all could have a chat there with the Debian Perl packagers
08:24 waxhead Sewi, what's your blog???
08:24 waxhead url that is
08:26 jq speaking of debian packagers, is ryan52 around?
08:28 Sewi waxhead: http://padre-ide.de
08:29 Ryan52 jq: hi
08:29 jq Ryan52: hi - have you had a chance to look at module::packaged::generator?
08:30 Ryan52 woops, never ended up on my TODO list :/
08:30 Ryan52 well it's there now..
08:32 waxhead Sewi, get it syndicated on the Padre blogs!!!
08:32 waxhead I always have a look there...
08:32 waxhead it's in my list of opened tabs in firefox..
08:34 jq Ryan52: ok, the code is ongithub.
08:34 Sewi ping getty
08:43 Hyppolit svn: r10210 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10210
08:43 Hyppolit Update to events.
08:43 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
08:45 waxhead I wonder what I forgot to do this release?  :)
08:45 waxhead OK, I'm off now... need to spend time with the family..
08:53 szabgab jq, wait, what are those numbers?
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08:53 szabgab 12830 modules installed from cpan?
08:53 szabgab you mean .pm files, not CPAN distros, right?
08:54 jq yes
08:54 szabgab and 1821 distros
08:54 jq yes
08:54 szabgab that's what I count now, though we could also look at the number of .pm files
08:54 jq that's why i provided both
08:55 szabgab yes, thanks
08:55 szabgab I would really like to have this thing automated so I can fetch it from some Mandriva server
08:56 jq szabgab: check http://articles.mongueurs.net/m​agazines/perles/perles-39.html
08:56 szabgab and then I can build a database of the collected data from all downstream distribtions
08:56 jq szabgab: module::packaged::generator is ready for mandriva
08:56 jq i now need to run it weekly, and create a ordb::packaged::mandriva
08:56 szabgab I'll talk with about this when I am back from skiing
08:56 jq just need to fdi :-)
08:56 szabgab now I need to get packed
08:57 jq szabgab: guillomovitch will be at fosdem
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09:30 jq padre 0.55 available on mandriva cooker
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10:42 Alias_ szabgab, it would appear that Module::Install::Msgfmt breaks Module::Install
10:43 Alias_ szabgab, Module::Install plugins aren't meant to be system installed, ever
10:43 Alias_ unless you're an author
10:43 szabgab I don't know anything about that
10:43 Alias_ It's your odule
10:43 Alias_ module
10:43 Alias_ http://search.cpan.org/~sz​abgab/Locale-Msgfmt-0.14/
10:43 szabgab I might have released a version of it but it is in our repo
10:43 Alias_ Also, it force-loads Module::Install::Share
10:43 Alias_ grrr, /me needs to repair stuff now
10:43 Alias_ :(
10:44 szabgab and I just probably patched it
10:44 * Alias_ ponders how hard he should angle for a keynote at YAPC::Asia
10:44 Alias_ I'm attracted by the idea that I get to introduce myself
10:45 Alias_ s/get/am required to/
10:45 Alias_ Apparently, it's a Japanese thing
10:45 Alias_ This would seem like a rather awesome conflict of interest to exploit to the fullest
10:45 szabgab I came from the (near ) future ?
10:45 Alias_ I'm thinking rock music video montage
10:45 Alias_ http://www.mp3-codes.com/pla​y/259381/Shazam_-_Spiderbait
10:45 Alias_ And copious false claims
10:46 szabgab kareoki ?
10:46 Alias_ Nah, it needs to be subtitles in advance
10:46 Alias_ So Kareoki might get complicated
10:46 Alias_ Plus, I'm a baritone
10:46 Alias_ Not a tenor, which rules out much popular music
10:46 szabgab ask Randal to thing :-)
10:46 szabgab sing
10:46 szabgab wow
10:47 Alias_ PERFECT montage music
10:47 Alias_ And it's both Australian, and a great mix of popular here but mostly unknown overseas
10:49 Alias_ And I've always wanted to do a rock video montage, just for the exercise :)
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11:33 Hyppolit svn: r10211 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10211
11:33 Hyppolit building using perl-5.11.4
11:33 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-XL/lib/Perl/Dist/
11:58 szabgab Here is the new Linux binary http://perlide.org/download/bin​ary/perl-5.11.4-xl-0.03.tar.bz2 if any of you would like to try it. After unzipping run ./perl-5.11.4-xl-0.03/perl/bin/padre.bat   will blog about it later
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12:15 bricas Alias_: should i be shipping padre.yml in the perltidy plugin dist?
12:15 Alias_ I don't use it in the tests
12:16 Alias_ Consider it optional
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12:34 bricas kay. i think i'll omit it at this point. use it as a dev-only thing.
12:37 Hyppolit svn: r10212 | bricas++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10212
12:37 Hyppolit prep release
12:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy/
12:38 Hyppolit svn: r10213 | bricas++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10213
12:38 Hyppolit release 0.10
12:38 Hyppolit tags/
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13:53 Hyppolit svn: r10214 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10214
13:53 Hyppolit Ugly but working tab-switching speedup for Padre, needs to be replaced by a solution for the original problem (too many get_project_dir - calls)
13:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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14:29 szabgab see you next week
14:30 szabgab &
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16:42 jq Alias_: ping
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16:49 rindolf jq: I think he went to sleep.
16:52 jq ok
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18:57 Alias_ jq: He tried and failed
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20:14 Sewi How could that be. A module is on CPAN but cpan-tool doesn't find it.
20:19 bricas Sewi: what module?
20:19 bricas which, rather.
20:19 Sewi DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader::DBI::Sybase
20:20 bricas likely not indexed properly.
20:21 bricas oh, i see, it's part of a development dist (note the _ in the version number) -- which are not indexed.
20:22 Sewi oh, sorry, didn't know this
20:23 bricas np. glad i could help.
20:23 Sewi Released 6 days ago
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21:21 waxhead morning
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