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IRC log for #padre, 2010-02-01

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00:34 * Alias wants to see the new release out there so he can head off into a grand exploration of evil evil breaky features
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04:28 Hyppolit svn: r10413 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10413
04:28 Hyppolit Perl tidy and a GM to everyone :)
04:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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04:55 Hyppolit svn: r10414 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10414
04:55 Hyppolit Better documentation and prevent zero from being accepted as a line number
04:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
05:10 Hyppolit svn: r10415 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10415
05:10 Hyppolit Added line or position checkbox (Stealing from Notepad++ :) to GotoLine
05:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
05:19 Hyppolit svn: r10416 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10416
05:19 Hyppolit Different messages when the "line or position" checkbox is clicked
05:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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05:37 Hyppolit svn: r10417 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10417
05:37 Hyppolit Goto Line or position feature is now implemented... Now cleaning up
05:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
05:39 Hyppolit svn: r10418 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10418
05:39 Hyppolit Perl tidy and Changes update
05:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
05:40 Hyppolit svn: r10419 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10419
05:40 Hyppolit Fixed typo in previous Changes update
05:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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05:50 Hyppolit svn: r10420 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10420
05:50 Hyppolit Refactored validation, improved documentation and simplified line/position code
05:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
06:02 Hyppolit svn: r10421 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10421
06:02 Hyppolit Perl tidy, improved documentation and no more warning about empty input
06:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
06:07 Hyppolit svn: r10422 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10422
06:07 Hyppolit message typo fix... I am done :)
06:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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06:18 szabgab gm
06:18 szabgab sjn, reping
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06:31 Hyppolit #833: Syntax error crash padre when trying to debug (assigned defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/833#comment:1 ]
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06:57 waxhead hey everyone
06:58 waxhead release in 3 hours
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07:11 szabgab hi waxhead
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07:17 Hyppolit #841: Quick Menu Access should show the location of the menu item on the menu system (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/841 ]
07:18 azawawi hi szabgab  :)
07:18 azawawi szabgab: how was your vacation?
07:18 szabgab hi azawawi :-)
07:18 szabgab great
07:18 szabgab no Internet for a week
07:19 szabgab azawawi,  the above ticket can be yours :-)
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07:19 azawawi szabgab: hehe :)
07:21 Hyppolit svn: r10423 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10423
07:21 Hyppolit Empty the status line when the enter line/position is empty
07:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
07:29 Hyppolit svn: r10424 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10424
07:29 Hyppolit Refactor label update and added more awesome comments :)
07:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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07:38 Hyppolit svn: r10425 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10425
07:38 Hyppolit More refactoring... Perfectionist :)
07:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:02 Hyppolit #841: Quick Menu Access should show the location of the menu item on the menu system (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/841#comment:1 ]
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08:03 Hyppolit svn: r10426 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10426
08:03 Hyppolit Fixed perl to refactor action prefix for refactor menu (for consistency)
08:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
08:04 Hyppolit svn: r10427 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10427
08:04 Hyppolit Updated Changes
08:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:20 waxhead hey szabgab, how was the skiing?
08:21 szabgab great, mostly cold  (-10 C, -16 C)
08:21 waxhead wow... mostly 35 here!
08:31 Hyppolit svn: r10428 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10428
08:31 Hyppolit Initial fix to ticket:841 "Quick Menu Access should show the location of the menu item on the menu system"
08:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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08:31 azawawi szabgab: ping
08:31 Sewi gm
08:31 szabgab reping
08:31 azawawi gm Sewi
08:32 azawawi szabgab: is that enough for ticket #841 ?
08:32 Hyppolit #841: Quick Menu Access should show the location of the menu item on the menu system (assigned enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/841#comment:1 ]
08:32 Hyppolit svn: r10429 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10429
08:32 Hyppolit Perl tidy
08:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:33 waxhead 1.30 to release.. :)
08:34 azawawi szabgab: ?
08:34 szabgab azawawi, I have not seen any change in the windows
08:34 azawawi szabgab: the menu name is shown between braces in the list box...
08:34 szabgab and certainly I don't like the idea of duplicating the names of the menues
08:35 szabgab hmm, I don't see it, but maybe I need to run make for that
08:36 Hyppolit svn: r10430 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10430
08:36 Hyppolit Updated Changes
08:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:37 Hyppolit #841: Quick Menu Access should show the location of the menu item on the menu system (closed enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/841#comment:2 ]
08:38 azawawi waxhead: release often... release now please :)
08:39 azawawi szabgab: im trying to squeeze a couple of features before the big merge :)
08:47 waxhead nah.. I set a time, it gives the translators time to get done too
08:48 waxhead and everyone knows when it's going to happen in case they need to call halt or fix something etc...
08:48 waxhead release often is OK, but we now have distribution packagers too.. so it gives them some breather between releases
08:50 azawawi waxhead: keep up the awesomeness then :)
08:51 * azawawi work &
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08:58 DimOK Hi, can anyone point me, how can i edit files on FTP server using Padre? so it would save file immediately to server after a press ctrl+s ?
08:59 szabgab I never tried it but the ftp mode has been implemented
09:00 szabgab I think
09:00 DimOK well, i can't find it :)
09:00 szabgab sewi?
09:00 waxhead is it a plugin?
09:00 DimOK nope, file::ftp is installed
09:01 waxhead have you tried open URL?
09:01 szabgab try file/open/open url
09:01 DimOK like ftp://user:password@path ?
09:01 waxhead that's a valid URL...
09:01 szabgab I guess that's what we have now
09:01 waxhead try it and see what happens.
09:02 Sewi szabgab: pong
09:02 waxhead I don't have a remote file to test it myself
09:02 waxhead Sewi, editing files over FTP...
09:02 waxhead ^^
09:03 Sewi waxhead: Look at the test script, there are sample URLs
09:03 waxhead ok...
09:03 waxhead it's for DimOK
09:04 waxhead how do I get that window dialog to pop up?
09:04 DimOK yeah
09:04 Sewi DimOK: Hi, what happens if you try ftp://user:password@path
09:05 DimOK empty file
09:05 DimOK regardless of what i open
09:05 DimOK or, sometimes
09:05 DimOK it loads file, yea
09:05 waxhead Sewi, what's the action I need to do to get the WindowList dialog to open up?
09:06 DimOK over http
09:06 waxhead http works?
09:06 DimOK but not working with ftp
09:06 waxhead ftp down?
09:06 waxhead s/down/doesn't/
09:06 DimOK just leeches content via http
09:06 DimOK that's not what i wanted to, i meant editing files directly on server
09:07 DimOK sshm ftp, whatever
09:08 Sewi waxhead: Currently none, I backuped the source to svn but will add the menu option when you're done releasing.
09:09 Sewi 18:58SewiAll the code from the last commit should not be reachable from current Padre (only via --actionqueue=file.close_some on command line), I'll add it to Changes and create the menu item for the next release but I don't want to add this many new code few hours before the release.
09:09 DimOK so there is not such feature right now, as edit files on server via ftp/ssh ?
09:10 waxhead Sewi, OK..
09:10 waxhead DimOK, seems not..
09:11 waxhead Sorry...
09:11 waxhead it's one of those things, when someone needs to do it, they'll write it...
09:11 Sewi DimOK: FTP should work but it it's at a very early stage.
09:11 DimOK ok, i got it
09:11 DimOK too bad :(
09:12 szabgab DimOK, on the other hand I think Sewi could point you at the code where you could implement it :-)
09:13 DimOK well, i think that if i REALLY want to, i could find this code myself :)
09:14 Hyppolit #842: Window Menu is not refreshing. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/842 ]
09:14 waxhead DimOK, that's the spirit!
09:15 waxhead so many things to do, so little time to get them done.. :)
09:15 waxhead szabgab, how goes the debug client stuff?
09:15 szabgab nothing right now
09:15 szabgab I have tons of other things to do
09:16 waxhead szabgab, :)
09:16 waxhead oh, I also put a few tickets against your name.. thinking you might be able to close them...
09:17 Sewi waxhead: There ARE tests in t/94
09:17 szabgab maybe next week after FOSDEM I'll have some time but I am not sure at all
09:17 waxhead Sewi, any chance you'll be able to look some of those Tab tickets?
09:17 Sewi Yes, just getting my work for today sorted.
09:18 Sewi ftp://ftp.cpan.org/pub/CPAN/README works.
09:18 waxhead Sewi, just trying it out now...
09:18 Sewi szabgab: Chances you could create a read-only ftp account on perlide.org and put a small file into it which could be used by the test?
09:18 waxhead there needs to be some output to tell the user what it's doing
09:18 Sewi ftp://ftptest:test@padre.perlide.org/testfile.pl
09:19 szabgab there is an ftp server written in perl that could be used
09:19 Sewi Something like this would be nice
09:19 waxhead oh.. my Padre has just stopped...
09:19 szabgab and then you can test it locally
09:19 waxhead oh.. it's just crashed
09:19 Sewi And we should discuss if developer tests could use the internet without asking first.
09:20 * Sewi running make test
09:20 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 121.45.195.115 pasted "opening a file on FTP" (6 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38761
09:21 waxhead Sewi, use the dev list for something like that...
09:21 Sewi ok
09:21 waxhead I think it should ask..
09:21 Sewi Thanks for the paste
09:21 waxhead I think there should be output for each step, ie
09:21 waxhead opening ftp://...
09:22 Sewi Sure, but before 0.56?
09:22 waxhead Connected
09:22 waxhead ftping file
09:22 szabgab we should avoid any network access during tests but should definitely ask (and default to no)
09:22 waxhead complete
09:22 waxhead Sewi, nope.. not now.. there's only 40 minutes left! :)
09:22 waxhead well.. there's the discussion I guess.. Default is No, Ask first..
09:24 Hyppolit svn: r10431 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10431
09:24 Hyppolit Catch undef project
09:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
09:24 Sewi waxhead: Could you please svn up and repeat the steps which led to your paste?
09:28 waxhead Sewi, ok, got the file this time
09:28 waxhead no crash
09:29 waxhead man this focus thing is going to be a pain...
09:29 Sewi waxhead: Everything succeeded before, just the find_project failed
09:29 waxhead oh right...
09:29 waxhead cool.. easy fix.. :)
09:30 Hyppolit svn: r10432 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10432
09:30 Hyppolit Updated messages.pot
09:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
09:30 Hyppolit svn: r10433 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10433
09:30 Hyppolit Updated German translation to 100%
09:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
09:31 waxhead Sewi++
09:32 Sewi Thanks, even if it's a little bit late... 40min before
09:32 Sewi 28 min before
09:32 waxhead Sewi, bit behind with Catalyst... ;)
09:32 waxhead Sewi, I don't care if it's last minute...
09:33 waxhead it's good to see the translations being done
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09:33 Sewi I already got everything for 0.56 done but people added so many things during the last days that there were 21 strings waiting :-)
09:33 waxhead yep.. it's been a busy cycle...
09:33 waxhead way too much to write out tonight..
09:34 Sewi Could start blogging now and hit the send button once you're done.
09:34 waxhead True..
09:34 waxhead but I won't... go do something else for a bit..
09:48 Hyppolit svn: r10434 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10434
09:48 Hyppolit Version update to 0.56
09:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
09:48 waxhead getting tired...
09:48 waxhead going to do it now...
09:49 Hyppolit svn: r10435 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10435
09:49 Hyppolit Tidy for release 0.56
09:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
09:52 Hyppolit svn: r10436 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10436
09:52 Hyppolit Version bump for release 0.56
09:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DocBrowser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/
10:00 Hyppolit svn: r10437 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10437
10:00 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.56
10:00 Hyppolit tags/
10:01 waxhead ok.. freshly baked release: http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.56.tar.gz
10:01 waxhead szabgab, http://peshel.dnsalias.net/pa​dre-release/Padre-0.56.tar.gz
10:02 Sewi waxhead++
10:02 szabgab hands off that link now!
10:02 szabgab till I can mirror
10:02 waxhead szabgab, you should give me somewhere to put it for you
10:02 jq Alias_: ping
10:02 szabgab next time just send the link in pm
10:02 waxhead then I can announce it to the list..
10:03 * waxhead would try windows but the other half is busy with it...
10:03 szabgab as you did earlier
10:03 jq szabgab: have you seen that ordb::packaged::mandriva is available?
10:03 Hyppolit svn: r10438 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10438
10:03 Hyppolit Add status messages for Padre::File remote actions
10:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/t/
10:03 szabgab http://perlide.org/downloa​d/source/Padre-0.56.tar.gz
10:03 waxhead szabgab, well, with you being away I actually wondered about what to do when you're not available to get the file
10:04 waxhead szabgab, that wasn't too slow...
10:04 waxhead szabgab, I changed ISP's while you were away too...
10:04 szabgab jq,  I saw you blog but did not have time to check it out yet
10:04 waxhead moving to ADSL2+ when I get around to it..
10:04 szabgab waxhead, I'll send you a round toit
10:06 waxhead ta..
10:06 waxhead I did the hard part which was change ISP's.. the upgrade is fairly simple...
10:06 Sewi make test 0.56 passes on Ubuntu
10:07 waxhead cool!
10:07 waxhead but I knew that... ;)
10:07 waxhead Just waiting on some other OS's...
10:08 waxhead can't test on windows here...
10:08 Hyppolit svn: r10439 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10439
10:08 Hyppolit Add "close some" menu option and Changes entry
10:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
10:10 Sewi waxhead: Here is your menu option :-)
10:13 waxhead cool...
10:13 szabgab piping on windows, installing some of the prereqs now
10:13 waxhead wow.. I have some dependancies that need sorting on the laptop...
10:13 szabgab waxhead, just go ahead and upload to CPAN
10:13 waxhead szabgab, same here...
10:14 waxhead szabgab, I'd just like to get the windows test done, then I'll upload it.
10:15 Alias_ jq: pong
10:17 waxhead szabgab, did it work for you?
10:17 waxhead I have way too many updates to do and it's now doing an SP2 upgrade for Vista
10:17 szabgab it is doing orlite now
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10:21 jq Alias_: orlite fails when class::xsaccessor is not installed
10:21 jq http://kenobi.mandriva.com/queue/failure/​cooker/contrib/release/20100201094405.jqu​elin.kenobi.21955/log/perl-ORLite-1.390.0​-1mdv2010.1/build.0.20100201095623.log
10:21 szabgab waxhead, all tests pass on windows
10:22 waxhead that's all I needed to hear...
10:22 jq Alias_: oh, there's a 1.40 version
10:22 jq hmm, according to the changelog, you nailed the bug
10:22 waxhead szabgab, don't forget to update trac
10:22 jq sorry for the noise
10:24 szabgab waxhead, added your trac_admin bit so you can do it yourself
10:24 waxhead szabgab, ok...
10:24 Hyppolit #800: Ctrl-f search dialog Combobox disabled (closed defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/800#comment:3 ]
10:24 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.56, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
10:24 szabgab waxhead++ thank you!
10:25 waxhead always a pleasure!  :)
10:25 waxhead I'm always amazed at what the people doing Padre dev put out...
10:26 waxhead right, now to write1
10:26 waxhead !
10:34 waxhead szabgab, version added
10:37 Sewi WindowList.pm currently supports multiple selected lines, does Wx also support checkboxes in front of each line?
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10:45 azawawi waxhead++ # for releasing 0.56 :)
10:46 waxhead hey azawawi... release 0.56...
10:46 waxhead we should dedicate this release to you... :)  Been a big list of changes this time around...
10:46 azawawi who's going to blog about it? so i can link to his blog to update my old blog? :)
10:47 azawawi waxhead: not as much as i wanted. You'll notice that im very active in Feb
10:47 waxhead azawawi, I caught something in the channel that it's been a tough month before...
10:47 waxhead azawawi, I'm writing the blog now...
10:47 azawawi waxhead: something to do with my birthday being near the end of Feb :)
10:48 azawawi waxhead: yeah, very sad month indeed
10:48 waxhead you going to code hard until your birthday?
10:48 waxhead azawawi, yep... my condolences...
10:48 azawawi waxhead: grandma died and then my uncle... :(
10:49 azawawi waxhead: thanks
10:49 waxhead Sewi, change list is too big to break out this month...
10:49 waxhead I'm also thinking of doing one of those "Plugin of the Month" type posts to increase the exposure of hte plugins for Padre...
10:49 waxhead but have to find time...
10:51 szabgab azawawi, I am sorry to hear that
10:52 azawawi waxhead: TODO,  faster startup, consistency changes, stability fixes, faster DB, Open Resource/Quick Menu access showing module/menu names for search results,  and improved Goto Line/position dialog
10:52 azawawi waxhead: that's a how to sum up Changes
10:52 azawawi szabgab: thanks
10:54 azawawi I will try being more active than usual during Feb... i promise :)
10:59 Hyppolit svn: r10440 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10440
10:59 Hyppolit Update Events Page with link to Release blog.
10:59 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
10:59 Hyppolit svn: r10441 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10441
10:59 Hyppolit el-Perl-o tidy-o :)
10:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
10:59 waxhead azawawi, true.. nice summary...
11:00 waxhead blog is done now..
11:00 waxhead that should be all for me tonight..
11:00 * azawawi linkls to waxhead++'s blog
11:03 szabgab waxhead, it is Steffen
11:03 szabgab with two e -s
11:10 waxhead oh dear!
11:10 waxhead that's embarrassing..
11:11 szabgab no, thats's a typo
11:12 waxhead I'm looking forward to the merge..
11:12 waxhead plenty of hype around it...
11:12 waxhead holding it back and all...
11:17 Hyppolit svn: r10442 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10442
11:17 Hyppolit Linked to my humble & small blog post :)
11:17 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
11:18 Hyppolit svn: r10443 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10443
11:18 Hyppolit Fixed blog title
11:18 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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11:47 Hyppolit svn: r10444 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10444
11:47 Hyppolit Adding German blog post
11:47 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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13:25 Hyppolit svn: r10445 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10445
13:25 Hyppolit Add reload some files option
13:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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16:13 Hyppolit svn: r10446 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10446
16:13 Hyppolit Perl tidy
16:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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16:15 markstos Thanks for Padre 0.56. It's looking great. Here's a small bug report / feedback:
16:16 Sewi markstos: Hi and thanks
16:16 markstos From a cold start on Ubuntu Hardy, I open Plugins: Plack: new PSGI App: CGI-Application.psgi. The Plack window appears mostly covering the "new document" tab, without a clear way to resize the plackup window to be smaller.
16:17 markstos I like a lot of the Perl-centric features and plan to recommend it some around the office.
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16:25 Sewi plugin?
16:25 Hyppolit plugin is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
16:31 LeK hi
16:32 Sewi Hi LeK
16:42 tsee "very aggravating"... Shlomi, come on. Turn down the hyperbole!
16:43 tsee Oh. He's not here.
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16:50 CSJewell tsee: Where is he hyperboling?
16:50 tsee Email on Padre list.
16:50 tsee Pete wrote: The listed changes this time around are so numerous I'm not going to repeat it all here.
16:51 tsee Shlomi replied (among other things): I find that very aggravating considering the fact that I'm in charge of announcing Padre on Freshmeat.net and that I need to put a summary of the changes in my announcement.
16:51 jq troll
16:51 jq shlomi at his best
16:52 jq especially since i guess that the announce was on a blog post, with links
16:52 jq and copied in a mail
17:03 jq padre 0.56 available on mandriva cooker
17:11 LeK is this a call for a fight? :)
17:15 jq no.
17:16 jq shlomi is usually fine, but sometimes he seems to forget basic social skills
17:18 LeK I'm just a visitor in padre community, but I really hope this project won't be affected by the common illness of opensource community (i mean the battle among contributors caused by ego or differents opinions...)
17:20 Sewi LeK: You're welcome to join :-)
17:21 CSJewell jq: I think this alteration of a famous record title works for most of us open-source programmers:
17:21 CSJewell Q: Are we not even? A: We are odd!
17:22 LeK yeah, I think if I hang around so frequently is because i like the project and I hope to help... todays, i've only helped by creating ticket and I don't feel skilled enough to be really helpfull, but everything's possible
17:22 jq LeK: nope. shlomi is a) usually fine except those occasions and b) not a code contributor
17:23 jq so, no battle around to be expected
17:23 jq lek: opening tickets is already a good way to contribute
17:23 Sewi LeK: I didn't ever use Perl OOP before I started adding bugs to Padre :-)
17:23 jq giving feedback on what is good, what sucks, and what you want to see in padre is a huge step
17:24 Sewi LeK: jq is right, if you want to do more but don't want to add code, you could try out some tickets and add additional information if you were able to replay or solve the problem.
17:26 LeK jq, nice to hear everything's perfect :) (in fact, talking about this, i was wondering about why there is no joining between padre's team and the team (guy) of the other opensource perl ide i've seen linked in padre.perlide.org website)
17:26 jq LeK: i think adam worked a bit on the other ide
17:26 tsee Gabor looked at it, too.
17:26 tsee Long story.
17:26 tsee There's mutual exchange of ideas, I'd say.
17:27 jq LeK: and not everything is perfect in padre's world...
17:27 LeK Sewi, that's sweet to hear, in fact, I'm not a total newbie to perl, i've done a lot of (rather dirty) code around xml::simple, http, soap::lite and some very jerky tk code (so jerky that I decide to switch to swing:) )
17:27 jq perfection would be a larger team, with padre having a lot more features, etc.
17:27 jq but it's pretty cool as it is right now.
17:28 jq so i'm happy with both states of the project (project + community)
17:28 LeK tsee, that's nice to have the choice, but brain and work is what always miss in opensource project, it's always better to see team getting together than getting apart
17:28 LeK jq, yeah, i was nicely surprised by the liveliness of the community
17:29 tsee LeK, well. Either way, it's too late to actually merge the two.
17:29 Sewi LeK: And you could reply to "could someone test r99999 on (Windows|Linux)?" requests :-)
17:29 Hyppolit Changeset #99999 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/99999
17:29 tsee You can't just set out and merge two large code bases that just happen to present a similar UI to the user.
17:30 tsee And for some reason he would have to explain himself, Gabor decided that the existing code base wasn't a good fit for him.
17:30 jq if you have a magic tool that does it seamlessly, then you're rich
17:30 LeK tsee, in fact, I thought that the other project was not very active (dying?) and the remain of the team would be a great help in padre improvement... but I don't know much of both projects, so it's rather talking in the wind :)
17:31 tsee LeK, Kephra's always mostly been Herbert Breunung's work. He's been stemming it all along.
17:31 tsee Ugh. Bad grammar. Germanism :)
17:31 LeK tsee, i see, in fact, i was thinking adding brains and hands to padre, not really code, i understand that such projects rely very tightly on there basic architecture that merging to ide isn't a thinkable idea
17:32 tsee If you spent years working on a project, would you abandon it if there was one that just happens to attract more people? I probably wouldn't.
17:32 LeK sewi, i'll have a look at this release for sure (and in fact, I already added some more information on freshly opened ticket... reproduced bug if I'm correct)
17:33 LeK tsee, I understand, but I think in open source theory, there must be some sort of critical mass effect
17:34 LeK but as I said earlier, i've just discovered this other ide through padre website and didn't give it too much look... indeed I'm happy to hear that this problem has already been thought of
17:34 * LeK is training is rusty english
17:34 LeK is = its
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21:17 azawawi good evening
21:19 azawawi szabgab: ping
21:20 LeK 'evening
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22:03 Hyppolit svn: r10447 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10447
22:03 Hyppolit Simplified some variable names. Added current line number/position. Fixed tabbing order to be more natural.
22:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
22:04 Hyppolit svn: r10448 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10448
22:04 Hyppolit Perl tidy
22:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
22:06 Hyppolit svn: r10449 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10449
22:06 Hyppolit POD update
22:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
22:24 Hyppolit svn: r10450 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10450
22:24 Hyppolit There is now a single lazy GotoLine instance which is non-modal
22:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
22:27 Hyppolit svn: r10451 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10451
22:27 Hyppolit Renamed Padre::Wx::Dialog::GotoLine to Padre::Wx::Dialog::Goto
22:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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22:54 Hyppolit svn: r10452 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10452
22:54 Hyppolit On focus (aka activate), Goto dialog re-validates itself with the new current editor and hides itself if there is no open document
22:54 Hyppolit Tab order is now fixed by using creation order
22:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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22:57 Hyppolit svn: r10453 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10453
22:57 Hyppolit Renamed Padre::Wx::Dialog::GotoLine to Padre::Wx::Dialog::Goto (forgotten update)
22:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
22:57 Hyppolit svn: r10454 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10454
22:57 Hyppolit Perl tidy
22:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
23:00 Hyppolit svn: r10455 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10455
23:00 Hyppolit Updated Changes
23:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
23:02 Hyppolit svn: r10456 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10456
23:02 Hyppolit Renamed Goto line to Goto in edit.goto action and fixed action comment
23:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/

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