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IRC log for #padre, 2010-02-02

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00:42 * fg3 waits while .56 tries to install
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01:22 fg3 padre finally installed - .56 looks much better - good job everyone
01:22 kthakore fg3: yay
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03:22 Topic for #padreis now Latest Padre is 0.56, for installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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05:48 szabgab_ gm
06:06 Hyppolit svn: r10457 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10457
06:06 Hyppolit link to WxWidgets talk on MiltonKeynes.pm
06:06 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
06:07 Hyppolit svn: r10458 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10458
06:07 Hyppolit update gitignore
06:07 Hyppolit trunk/
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07:31 Hyppolit svn: r10459 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10459
07:31 Hyppolit Make sure no-document does not hurt my Goto dialog :)
07:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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08:34 Sewi hi all
08:35 Sewi waxhead: ping
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09:09 Hyppolit svn: r10460 | CSJewell++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10460
09:09 Hyppolit 1) Make a bit more self-documenting
09:09 Hyppolit 2) Change branding
09:09 Hyppolit 3) Get modules list correct.
09:09 Hyppolit trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/lib/Perl/Dist/ trunk/Perl-Dist-Padre/share/
10:04 waxhead pong
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10:27 Sewi waxhead: Suggestion: Use the current revision Changes link instead of trunk for blogging.
10:27 Sewi Otherwise people need to search for 0.56 Changelos if they use the link and 0.57 is out
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10:48 submersible Alias: slave-driver is driving me bonkers
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10:58 chorny Hi. May I have commit to Padre svn?
10:58 szabgab do you have an account on trac?
10:59 chorny yes
10:59 * szabgab checking
11:00 szabgab you should have your commit bit now
11:00 chorny thanks
11:01 szabgab enjoy :-)
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11:40 Alias__ submersible, still?
11:40 Alias__ chorny: A small warning, if I may
11:41 Alias__ chorny: We've noticed a tendency when very skilled people get commit for the first time
11:42 Alias__ chorny: They tend to make (in addition to normal stuff) changes in places based on principle rather than bug fixing and experimentation
11:43 Alias__ chorny: And in a number of cases, these principle-based changes tend to trigger bugs due to idiosyncracies in the Padre codebase
11:44 Alias__ chorny: Which isn't meant to discourage you at all, just a note of caution when it comes to making changes blind without test coverage (which a lot of Padre is)
11:52 Hyppolit svn: r10461 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10461
11:52 Hyppolit Bigger dialog
11:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Tasks/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Tasks/lib/Padre/Plugin/Tasks/
11:56 waxhead Sewi, OK..
11:56 waxhead nite all
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12:28 Hyppolit svn: r10462 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10462
12:28 Hyppolit Select all of the line number/position so the user can overwrite it quickly if he wants it. This means we now have a non-modal goto dialog that remembers the last line/position entered during a Padre session.
12:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:28 azawawi szabgab: ping
12:28 szabgab repping
12:29 azawawi any ideas how to improve regex tester... any good examples we can steal from? :)
12:29 azawawi i was thinking something like http://www.regextester.com/
12:29 Hyppolit svn: r10463 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10463
12:29 Hyppolit Perl tidy to the previous commit...
12:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:30 szabgab hmm
12:31 szabgab that and look at some screenshots ot the regex tool in Komodo
12:31 szabgab and there is something called regexbudy
12:31 szabgab http://www.regexbuddy.com/
12:32 * azawawi takes a look
12:34 azawawi szabgab: nice
12:34 azawawi szabgab: a bit too much :) but nice
12:39 szabgab I am sure most of its features are not important
12:39 szabgab but might be nice to implement at least some of them
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12:48 Sewi azawawi: #760
12:48 Hyppolit #760: Clone and Substitution mode of txt2re (new task) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/760#comment:2 ]
13:08 azawawi Sewi: i think the coolest so far to use is http://www.xaprb.com/demos/rx-toolkit/
13:10 azawawi Sewi: hmmm... regex Perl 6 grammar tester :)
13:11 azawawi is there a cpan package that gives Perl 6 grammar syntax to Perl 5?
13:14 Hyppolit svn: r10464 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10464
13:14 Hyppolit More focus fixes... Always focus after you have shown the dialog otherwise you will run into cross-platform focus problems.
13:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:15 chorny azawawi: AFAIK, no
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13:18 azawawi chorny: thanks...
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13:55 Getty azawawi: cheater ;)
13:57 azawawi Getty: for? :)
13:59 Getty cause of perl6 grammar in perl5 ;)
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14:24 kthakore hi is there a way to add autocomplete for non core modules that are installed by CPAN and is in path?
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14:26 azawawi kthakore: ask Sewi about it
14:26 kthakore hi Sewi
14:26 kthakore azawawi: thanks
14:26 azawawi kthakore: my pleasure... :)
14:27 azawawi by non-core i assume SDL right?
14:29 kthakore azawawi: hehe yes and other things too
14:29 azawawi kthakore: i was thinking of adding indexing of X<> tags (per szabgab) to Perl's help provider
14:29 kthakore I wanna do ctrl-space after a module name and get all functions in it
14:30 azawawi kthakore: ah and wxwidgets also
14:30 kthakore but don't we already have a parser of functions that is used in the Outline window?
14:30 kthakore my idea is this
14:30 Sewi Hi kthakore, look at the PHP plugin, it does autocomplete
14:31 kthakore Sewi: well does it do autocomplete on existing perl modules on the fly?
14:31 kthakore so say I make Foo::Bar with methods foo and bar
14:31 kthakore and I doe ctrl-space in a new script at  Foo::Bar::^
14:32 kthakore I wanna get a drop down of foo and bar there
14:32 kthakore we already have an on the fly subroutine lister in Outline
14:32 Getty Sewi: we definitly need a planning talk these days
14:33 Getty Sewi: i have still no idea what is now required what happens and anything;)
14:33 Getty Sewi: we are ready to print/layout flyers and print/layout t-shirts
14:33 Getty Sewi: but we must know whats required at all
14:33 kthakore Sewi: so is this possible
14:33 Sewi Getty: Sounds like a good idea :-)
14:33 Sewi kthakore: This is possible using perltags
14:34 Sewi (for Perl)
14:34 kthakore I perltags won't work on modules that don't have it
14:34 kthakore ok I guess I will look into it
14:34 Getty Sewi: yeah, do you know now more about "what we got" and "what we need"?
14:34 Sewi If you write a "custom" document type then you get full control over the autocomplete list
14:34 kthakore Sewi: where is the code for Outline panel
14:34 Sewi Getty: Not really
14:35 kthakore Sewi: I mean how is the subroutine list generated from a module
14:35 Getty Sewi: that is very bad....... dont you think?
14:35 Getty Sewi: later we sit on the floor on the cebit ;)
14:35 Sewi Getty: This is why we need a planning talk.
14:35 Getty yes
14:35 Getty VERY SOON
14:35 Getty we got 1 month left
14:35 Getty and a short month
14:35 Getty in 27 days i come to you
14:35 Sewi Just ping szab and rene and other who might attend
14:35 Getty with all the material
14:36 Getty szabgab must give us informations what we need todo at location
14:36 Sewi kthakore: Look at Document/Perl.pm
14:36 Getty what is there what is not
14:36 Getty i have NO CLUE!
14:36 kthakore Sewi: ok thanks
14:36 Sewi Getty: This if something we both have :-)
14:36 kthakore Sewi: if I want to modularize that where should I move it?
14:36 Sewi My English is even worse than usual, today. :-(
14:36 Sewi kthakore: Don't touch it :-)
14:37 szabgab Getty, see #events where things are sometimes discussed
14:37 azawawi Sewi: wasnt tsee++ supposed to merge his drunk-slave-driver branch with trunk soon?
14:37 Getty Sewi: come in too
14:37 Sewi kthakore: It's source which runs on _every char_, so please be very very careful when doing anything on it.
14:38 kthakore Sewi: ok where can I hack the autocomplete code?
14:38 Alias__ Especially anything which might block on character
14:38 azawawi kthakore: you can make a Padre branch for autocomplete-non-core, that way you'll be safe :)
14:39 azawawi Alias__: hi there
14:39 kthakore azawawi: I will make a simple git local branch for now
14:40 azawawi kthakore: cool
14:40 azawawi kthakore: did u see my split window POC code that day?
14:40 kthakore azawawi: I did but I have no clue what to do with it
14:41 kthakore azawawi: also it makes notebook disappear for some reason
14:42 azawawi kthakore: i see... it was like a pre-alpha attempt to get you started :)
14:42 kthakore azawawi: hehe
14:43 kthakore azawawi: it is too much for me right now
14:43 kthakore azawawi: but I haven't given up
14:43 kthakore I really need this autocomplete on non perltagged modules right now
14:43 azawawi kthakore: F2 search dialog is going to be radically changed to support better POD indexing...
14:44 Sewi azawawi: Any plans to make F2 non-blocking?
14:44 Sewi When the project dir has a huge subdir tree, it blocks Padre for a hour or more
14:44 azawawi Sewi: yeah i was thinking of add a refresh index button to it
14:44 kthakore azawawi: cool
14:44 azawawi Sewi: s/add/adding
14:45 kthakore azawawi: maybe I can even try this out in a plugin
14:45 azawawi Sewi: so when i open it the first time and the tables are not populated, it will show a progress bar...
14:45 Sewi azawawi: Not here (tried ~1-2 weeks ago)
14:46 azawawi Sewi: after wards, it will use SQLite under you refresh
14:47 azawawi Sewi: one more thing on my todo list for Feb is padre.exe
14:48 szabgab azawawi, IMHO there is a module on CPAN that already indexes X<>
14:48 azawawi Sewi: I think we have to dump the 'wperl.exe padre' all together and do our own...
14:48 azawawi szabgab: which one?
14:48 szabgab and in any case I'd also like to have such thing outside of Padre
14:48 szabgab sorry I don't rememeber
14:48 szabgab some pod and indexing
14:49 azawawi szabgab: it is a simple find X<> in  all core pods right?
14:50 azawawi szabgab: or is it more complicated?
14:50 szabgab oh and I had some code added to the smart links in the pugs repo
14:50 szabgab that is also on CPAN
14:50 szabgab but not really usable I think
14:51 szabgab IMHO once we start to index X<> in the core perldoc other modules will also have thios
14:51 szabgab this
14:51 szabgab certainly some .pm files in core perl already have X<> tags
14:52 azawawi szabgab: i see, then we should make it our priority
14:54 * azawawi searches his strawberry distro for X<(.+?)>
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15:00 azawawi 385 *.pod files in c:\strawberry have X<>
15:02 azawawi 385 *.pod have like 8393 X<.+?> matches
15:02 azawawi 1831 *.pm files have like 47 X<.+?> matches
15:03 azawawi szabgab: so X<...> is not used a lot in *.pm?
15:04 azawawi could anyone verify if that's the case on their perl?
15:14 azawawi &
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18:37 szabgab sz?
18:37 Hyppolit sz is http://www.flickr.com/photos/szbalint/3812328050/
18:37 szbalint hm? :)
18:37 szbalint oh, it finally happened in the reverse!
18:38 PerlJam Hrm.
18:39 szabgab PerlJam, we were again confused, this time on #parrot
18:39 PerlJam heh
18:40 szabgab of course the Hungarian notation in our names can easily confuse
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18:50 kthakore szbalint: looks the same to me
18:50 szbalint =)
18:51 kthakore szbalint: two geeky guys who hack perl
18:51 kthakore szbalint: you might as well be the same person so it is eaiser for me
19:03 awnstudio emacs perl code completion - http://www.vimeo.com/4739908
19:04 kthakore awnstudio: hiyo!
19:04 awnstudio sup
19:04 kthakore awnstudio: it was an expression
19:04 kthakore maybe if I did this
19:05 kthakore hiiiiiiiYOPOOOOooooooooooo
19:05 awnstudio mmm k
19:05 kthakore awnstudio: I am crazy right now
19:05 kthakore github is down for abit
19:05 kthakore so I can't push code
19:06 awnstudio yeah, i got one page to load then it stopped responding
19:06 kthakore yeah that sucks sometimes
19:06 kthakore I am thinking of moving to something else some times
19:07 kthakore but github is convient in sharing code
19:07 awnstudio it has the social element i like
19:23 chorny down, but due to distributed nature it is not so bad
19:25 kthakore chorny: yup
19:25 kthakore chorny: atleast reddit isn't down
19:25 kthakore hehe
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19:33 azawawi good evening
19:34 daxim 'lo azawawi
19:36 shadowpaste "daxim" at 217.168.144.84 pasted "azawawi - occurences of X<" (64 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38844
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19:37 daxim most of the occurences of X<> in the modules are totally superfluous because all pod renderers in common use already autolink headers and such
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19:42 azawawi daxim: i see
19:42 azawawi daxim: thanks
19:42 azawawi daxim: so mainly it is in *.pod
19:44 Hyppolit svn: r10465 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10465
19:44 Hyppolit Beginning a long journey of fixing our dear Regex Editor to new standards :)
19:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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19:55 Hyppolit svn: r10466 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10466
19:55 Hyppolit Refactoring out long method in RegexEditor. Nothing major
19:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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20:08 rindolf Hi all.
20:09 daxim lo rindolf
20:10 rindolf Did anyone see this E-mail of mine? http://mail.perlide.org/pipermail/p​adre-dev/2010-February/001524.html
20:11 daxim why so angry? :|  less code rage, dude
20:12 rindolf daxim: code rage?
20:13 daxim like road rage, only s{wind(screen)}{computer $1}
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20:17 azawawi rindolf: hey
20:17 rindolf Hi azawawi
20:18 rindolf azawawi: what's up?
20:18 azawawi rindolf: just wanted to say hi :)
20:18 rindolf azawawi: OK.
20:19 azawawi rindolf: heard there is snow coming soon here...
20:19 azawawi rindolf: fri/sat... maybe
20:19 rindolf azawawi: ah, really?
20:19 rindolf azawawi: ah, interesting.
20:20 azawawi rindolf: forecast changed now to -1, now snow :(
20:26 Hyppolit svn: r10467 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10467
20:26 Hyppolit Moved everything in regexp editor dialog to the left pane (for now), the right pane will contain character classes, quantifiers, misc and grouping constructs
20:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
20:52 Hyppolit svn: r10468 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10468
20:52 Hyppolit Added character classes, quantifiers, misc and grouping constructs. Nothing on the UI yet
20:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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21:00 kaare Has this error been entered as a ticket?
21:00 kaare Can't call method "config" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Padre/Document.pm line 677.
21:01 kaare Happens when trying to save a file in same dir (as opposed to with a path)
21:08 Hyppolit svn: r10469 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10469
21:08 Hyppolit A more compact regex editor dialog... Finished adding regex syntax cheat sheet (coming soon:)
21:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
21:09 azawawi kaare: please write a ticket for it
21:11 Hyppolit svn: r10470 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10470
21:11 Hyppolit Capitalization menu item and a quick Perl tidy
21:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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21:24 LeK hi
21:26 kthakore hi
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21:42 Hyppolit svn: r10471 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10471
21:42 Hyppolit Added some code for safe keeping... i will continue it tomorrow... very sleepy :)
21:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
21:42 * azawawi good night &
21:48 Hyppolit #843: Padre dies when saving file in same dir (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/843 ]
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