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IRC log for #padre, 2010-02-03

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01:02 submersible1 ...braaaains
01:07 kthakore boooobs
01:08 kthakore submersible1: oh sorry I am on the wrong channel here
01:08 submersible1 p'haps
01:08 submersible1 you must be confusing #padre with #pervert
01:08 submersible1 :P
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01:13 kthakore submersible1: perhaps
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02:29 kthakore hi Alias
02:30 Alias er
02:30 Alias Do you say his to everyone on every channel often? :)
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05:20 szabgab gm
05:21 szabgab Alias, the 50,000 monthly strawberry download on your web site... is it really that many?
05:21 szabgab could you remind me your old calculations of market share?
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06:26 Hyppolit svn: r10472 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10472
06:26 Hyppolit rt.cpan.org#54241 - documentation corrections
06:26 Hyppolit trunk/IO-Socket-Multicast/ trunk/IO-Socket-Multicast/lib/IO/Socket/
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06:54 azawawi hello
06:58 azawawi what screen resolution do you usually use when using Padre?
07:00 szabgab hi azawawi
07:00 szabgab whatever I have on my computer
07:01 szabgab I think it is 1680x1050 now
07:01 szabgab on my desktop
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07:03 azawawi i see
07:04 szabgab ah, pressure, I just sent in the slides for my Padre talk on FOSDEM
07:04 szabgab I was told to have 15 slides, I have 56
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07:17 submersible azawawi: 1440x900 at home and 1024x1600? at work
07:19 azawawi 1024x768 at work... and 1680x1050 at home...
07:19 azawawi submersible: thx
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07:34 Hyppolit svn: r10473 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10473
07:34 Hyppolit More refactoring to the Regex Editor dialog UI & code. You can now see four non-functioning regex snippet buttons alongside the regex text control.
07:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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07:35 Hyppolit svn: r10474 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10474
07:35 Hyppolit Oops i forgot to perltidy the code :)
07:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
07:39 Hyppolit svn: r10475 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10475
07:39 Hyppolit No need to center-align them in various regex sizers
07:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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07:46 waxhead has Steffen's branch been merged to trunk yet?
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07:47 waxhead hey tsee
07:47 waxhead speaking of branches and merging...
07:48 tsee submersible and I failed to entirely, properly fix the issues in the branch. Just a couple minutes ago, I got a mail from him about a patch that's supposed to do it. I haven't had the time to test it yet.
07:50 waxhead ok...
07:50 waxhead just tracking how it's going..
07:53 tsee Not much happening on my side. I'm sick.
08:01 szabgab tsee, feel better
08:01 szabgab I have turned off the translation report generation in the commit hook a it was very resource intensive, I'll have to fine tune it so it will only run when one of the translation files has actually changed and will only run on that file
08:01 Hyppolit svn: r10476 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10476
08:01 Hyppolit regex-helper-menu buttons are now working. Only need now to activate their action.
08:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:02 azawawi szabgab: where is padre.perlide... hosted?
08:02 szabgab on my server in the US
08:03 szabgab why ?
08:06 azawawi virtual?
08:06 azawawi just asking...
08:11 szabgab I hope not :-)
08:12 szabgab Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6320  @ 1.86GHz  with 3Gb of memory
08:13 szabgab but it is running several other sites, eg szabgab.com cpanforum.com
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08:22 Hyppolit svn: r10477 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10477
08:22 Hyppolit Regex editor helper menu buttons are now full operational, Captain :)
08:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:23 Hyppolit svn: r10478 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10478
08:23 Hyppolit Perl-tidy of the day
08:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
08:23 * azawawi work &
08:25 Hyppolit svn: r10479 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10479
08:25 Hyppolit Updated Changes
08:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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08:53 tsee Woah. I just tried to "sudo cpan Padre" on a rather fresh install of ubuntu 9.10
08:53 tsee 01-load.t managed to crash my system.
08:53 tsee By consuming all memory.
08:53 waxhead tsee, lots of dependancies?
08:53 waxhead that's interesting..
08:55 tsee Yeah. I had installed "padre" from the package manager before.
08:56 tsee Just to see how it feels to have a padre that's part of the system for real.
08:56 tsee Maybe that wasn't such a good idea.
08:56 tsee I'll nuke all the perl dependencies from apt.
08:56 tsee That'll probably fix it.
09:01 waxhead I have a mix of apt-installed and cpan installed modules
09:01 waxhead so what have you got? flu?
09:01 tsee Something like that.
09:02 waxhead mondayist?
09:02 waxhead mondayitis...
09:02 waxhead oh.. it's wednesday...
09:02 waxhead man I'm losing track of the days...
09:02 waxhead too tired to think straight...
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09:03 Sewi gm all
09:03 waxhead hey sewi
09:03 waxhead Sewi, I thought the window menu was working?
09:04 waxhead tsee, I'm going to have to do similar soon.. the hdd in this laptop is dieing.. I have a new hdd to put in it.. just waiting for the irght time to do so...
09:05 waxhead which I'd say will be when it finally dies.
09:05 tsee I bought an SSD.
09:05 tsee Thus the fresh system.
09:08 Hyppolit svn: r10480 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10480
09:08 Hyppolit Added in RELEASE_TESTING as the default behaviour.  Controlled with RELEASE_TESTING environment variable being set.
09:08 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
09:08 waxhead I think it's a good thing to install on a clean system again to remember what it takes to get a Padre installed.
09:09 waxhead I'm having problems with my vista install at the moment.. lots of dependancies to update and get installed...
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09:40 szabgab waxhead,  why not start with the stand alone padre ?
09:40 waxhead szabgab, I like to install from cpan...
09:42 szabgab I am in trouble, I am rehearsing my talk which is now 23 min long   and I only have 15 mins
09:42 submersible how many slides now?
09:43 szabgab 55
09:43 submersible so you have managed to reduce the slides by 1?
09:43 szabgab no,
09:43 szabgab I miscounted earlier :-)
09:43 submersible hahaha
09:44 szabgab I can't reduce my slides I think as I have already sent them out
09:44 tsee 55 slides for 15 minutes is WAY too much,.
09:46 waxhead ok.. time to go..
09:46 waxhead night
09:46 waxhead good luck with the slides and talk.. :)
09:46 szabgab my 5 min lightning talk on YAPC::EU::2008 had 68 slides
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10:56 daxim that's doable :)
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13:03 Hyppolit svn: r10481 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10481
13:03 Hyppolit change everything. now with 20% less stupid.
13:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Pa​dre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/Resources/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Wx/Swarm/
13:08 Hyppolit svn: r10482 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10482
13:08 Hyppolit Added POSIX character classes to regex editor
13:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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13:13 Alias__ azawawi, have you seen PPIx::Regexp?
13:14 Alias__ szabgab, you don't reduce the slides, you just read them faster
13:15 szabgab actually skipping some of the "err" parts reduced the overall time by a lot
13:15 Alias__ Rehersal can do that
13:16 Alias__ And if you get scared about going to quickly, just stash away a couple of topics you can get conveniently sidetracked talking about :)
13:17 szabgab so about the 50,000 downloads of Strawberry
13:18 szabgab do you remember the numbers about the overall market size?
13:18 Getty the php dudes are now going totally crazy. Facebook plans a system to "compile" PHP code to effective C++ stuff
13:18 Getty workaround stacking :D
13:19 Hyppolit svn: r10483 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10483
13:19 Hyppolit More UI regex editor tweaks to make it more compact
13:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:19 Alias__ szabgab, no, can't remember
13:19 szabgab oh I found the e-mail from Jan Dubois from 7/7/7
13:19 Alias__ What's his numbers?
13:19 szabgab more than 4,500 downloads of ActivePerl 5.8.x per day.
13:19 azawawi Alias__: no i havent...
13:19 szabgab more than 1,000 downloads of ActivePerl 5.6.1 per day
13:20 Getty activeperl should link to strawberry ;)
13:20 Alias__ So combined strawberry downloads are at around about 800-1000 per day
13:20 Alias__ Which is a bit under 20%
13:20 szabgab that does not bring you to 50,000/month you quote on your web site...
13:20 azawawi Getty: they have already implemented it over 90% of their systems [AFAIK]
13:21 Alias__ It's not 50k/month
13:21 Getty azawawi: yeah, stacking the workaround to bring the stuff to run at all ;)
13:21 szabgab "Serving 50,000 downloads a month." from http://ali.as/
13:21 Alias__ szabgab, ah
13:21 Getty azawawi: its running gag of php coders: "we have results, so our way must be right"
13:21 Alias__ That was from the Christmas period we got slashdotted
13:22 azawawi Getty: if it brings down cost :)
13:22 Alias__ If you look at our quarterly download count (since we started tracking) you get the following
13:22 Getty azawawi: just for the already made workarounds ;)
13:22 Getty azawawi: instead of fixing the problem on the ground, they make on top workarounds
13:22 Getty azawawi: like making a decent php interpreter that actually has all the patches in it that you need to have a real secure interpreter
13:23 szabgab Getty, don't start the language war here, please :-)
13:23 azawawi Getty: lol
13:23 szbalint yes, save it for FOSDEM
13:23 szbalint ;-(
13:23 Getty szabgab: if both sides are on the same thinking its no war! ;)
13:23 szbalint :-)
13:23 Getty actually i cant make war with php coders, they are unarmed
13:23 Alias__ 26k -> 18k -> 150k -> 93k -> 44k -> 46k -> 60k
13:23 Getty bbl
13:23 Alias__ That's for the last two-ish years
13:24 Alias__ You can see the slashdotting in the middle there
13:24 Alias__ (That's 3 month increments)
13:24 szabgab so 50K/r month ?
13:24 Alias__ No, divide all those by 3
13:24 Alias__ 20k per month right now
13:24 szabgab yeah, sorry
13:25 szabgab well, then I have a little lie in my slides :-)
13:25 szabgab 50 K a quarter then
13:25 Alias__ Or thereabouts
13:25 azawawi szabgab: it is going to snow on saturday here... no snow over your side :)
13:25 szabgab I'll be in Belgium :-)
13:26 azawawi szabgab: ouch :)
13:26 szbalint it's snowing here atm
13:26 szbalint hopefully I can take off from BUD :S
13:26 szbalint last time it was snowing like this we had 8-10 hour delays
13:27 szabgab we arrived to Budapest just after the big snow on Sunday - by car - and we had to dig out the street
13:27 azawawi Alias__: use PPIx::Regexp for as a cool regex highlighter right?
13:27 szabgab and the entrance
13:27 azawawi Alias__: and regex-to-english language translator :)
13:27 szbalint szabgab: oh fun :)
13:27 szabgab was Saturday
13:27 Alias__ azawawi, I'm not sure what we might do with it, but he did a pretty hardcore job on it
13:27 azawawi Alias__: thanks for the tip
13:27 szabgab and then we took off on Sunday morning after 30 min of deicing
13:27 Alias__ He took a similiar approach to PPI, as accurate as possible
13:28 Alias__ You could even just show the parse tree and that would get you a lot
13:28 Alias__ And yeah, an English thingy might be quite doable
13:28 azawawi Alias__: actually i had a todo for a Padre regex highlighter
13:28 Alias__ Inline?
13:29 Alias__ As in, you'll highlight right in the middle of the main document?
13:29 Alias__ Won't that be slow?
13:29 azawawi Alias__: for the regex editor for now
13:29 azawawi Alias__: and later maybe inline...
13:31 * azawawi will try PPIx::Regexp for sure
13:31 submersible Alias: where do I look for GUI locking
13:32 szabgab Alias__, can I blog these numbers?
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13:34 submersible ping Alias
13:35 szabgab lets try again
13:35 szabgab Alias__, can I blog these numbers?
13:36 Alias__ Sure
13:36 Alias__ http://code.google.com/p/strawberry-pe​rl/downloads/list?can=1&q=&sor​t=uploaded&colspec=Filename%20Summ​ary%20Uploaded%20Size%20DownloadCount
13:37 Hyppolit svn: r10484 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10484
13:37 Hyppolit use padre gui locks while building swarm interface
13:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/
13:44 Hyppolit svn: r10485 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10485
13:44 Hyppolit update Changes
13:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/
13:46 szabgab Alias__, oh it does not show when were they downloaded
13:46 Alias__ No, it doesn't trend over time
13:46 Alias__ But we release at around 3 month intervals
13:46 Alias__ So we've got approximate numbers
13:48 Hyppolit svn: r10486 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10486
13:48 Hyppolit [Perl 6] Moved to JQuery 1.4.1
13:48 Hyppolit trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/lib/Syntax/Highlight/ trunk/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6​/lib/Syntax/Highlight/Perl6/
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14:12 avar I just installed http://github.com/stsquad/emacs_chrome for emacs, I just wanted to point out that it would be really easy for someone familiar with Padre to implement a Padre server and thus use Padre as the text editor for chrome
14:12 szabgab what would that do?
14:13 szabgab I never tried Chrome
14:13 avar It's a plugin for chrome that adds an "edit" box to every text field so you can launch an external editor, write your mail in e.g. emacs instead of chrome.
14:14 avar There are similar things for Firefox
14:15 szabgab ah
14:17 avar This is how the protocol is: http://pastie.org/807520
14:18 avar Trivial with HTTP::Server::Simple, I just don't know the padre parts :)
14:21 szabgab avar, would you open a ticket for this ?
14:22 szabgab someone might get the tuits to do it
14:30 azawawi avar: i use chrome everyday... interesting
14:32 azawawi avar: any screenshots?
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14:36 kthakore azawawi: the new regex box looks spiffy
14:37 azawawi kthakore: cool
14:39 azawawi avar: please add it as a ticket with a bit more info. Does firefox have something similar?
14:51 avar azawawi: Firefox has something called "It's all text"
14:52 avar azawawi: wrt. screenshots: It's just a small "edit" button below text boxes, nothing to see really
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15:03 Alias__ Looks pretty simple
15:03 Alias__ Just clone the Single Instance Server code, put it into a plugin, and add some HTML parsing...
15:04 azawawi Alias__: yeah
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15:06 azawawi https://addons.mozilla.org​/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 works perfectly with Padre # just tested it
15:34 avar ah, neermind then, it's best if the chrome plugin just supports arbitrary editors
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19:20 tsee Wow. Adam using Moose.
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20:12 * azawawi is reading about PPIx::Regexp
20:12 azawawi good evening
20:17 Sewi Hi azawawi
20:18 garu hey azawawi! long time no see
20:19 garu hi Sewi :)
20:19 azawawi hi Sewi and garu :)
20:19 azawawi garu: how r u?
20:20 garu I'm fine... I had a huge fever for the past couple of weeks but things seem to be alright now :)
20:20 garu azawawi, how are you?
20:20 azawawi garu: great :)
20:21 * azawawi waits for it to snow on saturday :)
20:21 CSJewell 'strawberry-plus-padre-0.56.(msi|zip)' has been successfully built, finally.
20:21 azawawi CSJewell++
20:22 CSJewell I'm going to check it, then hopefully it'll be time to upload it and send it to the appropriate places.
20:22 garu azawawi, it snows there??
20:23 azawawi yeah once a year
20:23 azawawi sometimes
20:23 azawawi for 2-3 days
20:24 azawawi garu: if it snows, it is a free vacation :)
20:30 garu awesome, i had no idea.. you guys have it easy
20:30 garu :)
20:30 Sewi azawawi: This is Germany atm: http://www.flyppl.de/2010-01/prufungstermin/
20:30 Sewi Since before christmas
20:30 garu I thought jordan was hot like rio de janeiro the whole year
20:31 azawawi nop, it is cold a bit in dec, goes colder until the end of feb...
20:31 azawawi it is not hot in general
20:32 Sewi azawawi: And you get free vacation on every snow?
20:33 garu here is 25-35C all year, and 35-40C during summer (your winter)
20:33 azawawi Sewi: yup :)
20:33 azawawi Sewi: it snows like 2-3 days max but not every year...
20:34 azawawi Sewi: they dont have the right equipment to deal with snow when it comes since it is useless to prepare for something that happens 2-3 days every a couple of years...
20:35 azawawi Sewi: you should have seen abu dhabi (UAE) when it rains...
20:35 azawawi Sewi: i worked there for three years... and it rained only once when i was there... floods!
20:41 Sewi azawawi: They also get problems dealing with the snow here, because we got more than in each of the 23 years before :-)
20:44 azawawi Sewi: they had floods since they didnt have water ducts/sewers for roads since it rarely rains :)
20:46 Sewi I thought that you got 20-40C all year, too.
20:47 Sewi But you're right - preparing for that rarely weather is useless
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20:53 LeK hi
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21:03 Sewi Hi LeK
21:46 Hyppolit svn: r10487 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10487
21:46 Hyppolit Finally added some underlined red color style to show matched text.
21:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
21:47 azawawi could anyone try it if it works on linux?
21:55 Hyppolit svn: r10488 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10488
21:55 Hyppolit More simplification. Removed match/replace mode switch
21:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
21:56 Hyppolit svn: r10489 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10489
21:56 Hyppolit Tidy the code a bit using good old PerlTidy :)
21:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
21:57 Hyppolit svn: r10490 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10490
21:57 Hyppolit Updated Changes
21:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
22:11 Hyppolit svn: r10491 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10491
22:11 Hyppolit Implemented Replace (aka substitution) in Regex editor (no highlight yet like in matcher) nor global...
22:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
22:11 Hyppolit svn: r10492 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10492
22:11 Hyppolit Updated Changes
22:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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22:39 Hyppolit svn: r10493 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10493
22:39 Hyppolit Stop doing three useless ->run on each regex editor dialog ->show. You only need one. The dialog is now bigger a bit.
22:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
22:39 * azawawi good night &
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