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| 03:41 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10506 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10506 |
| 03:41 |
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Hyppolit |
add to the growing pile of junk in junkyard/ |
| 03:41 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/junkyard/ |
| 04:24 |
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Sewi |
gm |
| 06:45 |
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Alias |
\o |
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| 08:34 |
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* submersible |
grins |
| 08:35 |
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submersible |
when you can 'Run this document in someone else editor' .... |
| 08:35 |
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submersible |
the possibilities of |
| 08:35 |
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submersible |
( `hostname` , `ifconfig` , `ipconfig /all`, `who` ); |
| 08:35 |
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submersible |
or similar - just frigging scare me |
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Alias |
`rm -rf ~` |
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| 09:02 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10507 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10507 |
| 09:02 |
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Hyppolit |
move out of the Padre::Wx namespace |
| 09:02 |
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Hyppolit |
move version |
| 09:02 |
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Hyppolit |
some pod |
| 09:02 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/junkyard/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/Resources/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Service/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Swarm/Message/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Wx/Swarm/ |
| 09:02 |
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| 09:03 |
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submersible |
h! tsee |
| 09:03 |
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tsee |
hey |
| 09:04 |
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submersible |
i have had some more thoughts re slavedriver |
| 09:04 |
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submersible |
and the task api |
| 09:04 |
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tsee |
I'll be back in a couple of minutes, sorry. |
| 09:04 |
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tsee |
I really need to make coffee. |
| 09:05 |
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tsee |
Just got up and fired up the computer. |
| 09:05 |
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tsee |
But feel free to write. I'll read it in a minute. |
| 09:06 |
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submersible |
. for starters , catching events on something other than the padre main window seems to have merit. |
| 09:08 |
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| 09:08 |
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Alias |
(Padre::Wx::App for example) |
| 09:10 |
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Alias |
(assuming we modified it so you could make a standalone app object early, without making main at the same time) |
| 09:15 |
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tsee |
Yes, I agree. |
| 09:15 |
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tsee |
I used the main window simply because I knew no better. |
| 09:18 |
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tsee |
I got my coffee, by the way. |
| 09:20 |
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| 09:25 |
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Alias |
The other great thing about putting something on top of App is that it's super-fast to get to in Padre::Current |
| 09:25 |
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Alias |
Because we can use Wx::wxTheApp or whatever |
| 09:27 |
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tsee |
You still need to fetch the main window in the post-run hook of the Task. |
| 09:27 |
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tsee |
So you can do the gui updates. |
| 09:27 |
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tsee |
I think violating that expectation could yield some carnage. |
| 09:28 |
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tsee |
But I'd be fine with that, too. |
| 09:28 |
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Alias |
The current model is completely 1.0, there's going to need to be carnage no matter what |
| 09:28 |
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tsee |
I agree. Though I'm quite happy that it survived as long. |
| 09:28 |
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tsee |
Means it wasn't a totally whacko 1.0. |
| 09:28 |
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submersible |
I'm just thinking in terms of the object being available for events to fire on |
| 09:28 |
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Alias |
That's because I never found the time to learn how it worked :) |
| 09:28 |
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tsee |
submersible, yes, certainly. |
| 09:29 |
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tsee |
Alias, ha! |
| 09:29 |
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tsee |
submersible is right. Using the mw for events is silly. |
| 09:29 |
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tsee |
As I said, it was born out of cluelessness. |
| 09:29 |
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Alias |
Hey, it worked |
| 09:29 |
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submersible |
exactly. |
| 09:29 |
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Alias |
And you were only the third person to ever touch the code... |
| 09:29 |
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tsee |
The one thing that worries me is that Mattia started this branch where he separated out the threading into a separately loadable module, |
| 09:30 |
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tsee |
If we know switc to using Wx::App all over, we might have to change it again to use the Wx::ThreadEventSomething. |
| 09:30 |
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Alias |
I can live with that |
| 09:30 |
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tsee |
IF we want the savings that Mattia's branch promises. |
| 09:30 |
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Alias |
Wait till Wx 3.0 arrives |
| 09:30 |
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tsee |
But then again, I don't want to push him too much. He's been very patient with my nagging requests. |
| 09:31 |
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tsee |
Oh! |
| 09:31 |
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tsee |
He'll be at YAPC::EU in Pisa. |
| 09:31 |
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tsee |
Everyone! Buy him beer! |
| 09:36 |
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Alias |
For example, what if we reliably passed a Padre::Current object to the callback |
| 09:36 |
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Alias |
That way, if we change the event marshalling location later, we can still ensure we pass in the $current |
| 09:37 |
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tsee |
You mean pass a Padre::Current to the worker loop and thus Task::run? |
| 09:37 |
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jq |
Alias: what about doing a file::homedir release? |
| 09:38 |
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tsee |
The main difficulty is always that you have to keep in mind which information (and objects&classes) are even available in the worker threads at all. |
| 09:39 |
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Alias |
tsee: I meant more that the location where the callback event fires should be irrelevant |
| 09:40 |
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Alias |
tsee: Something closer to what we have with Process |
| 09:40 |
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tsee |
Also, I all fairness, I have to note I'm not up for much hacking today. I'll need to go back to bed soon. |
| 09:40 |
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Alias |
Perhaps the callback should be a string which identifies a fully resolved named function |
| 09:41 |
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Alias |
So that you can do very simple tasks/callbacks without needing to know about Wx |
| 09:41 |
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Alias |
Or something... |
| 09:41 |
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| 09:41 |
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azawawi |
good morning |
| 09:42 |
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Alias |
Heya |
| 09:42 |
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submersible |
hi |
| 09:42 |
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tsee |
Hmm. You still want access to the mw in the post-run hook. Which, of course, will be totally fine via some Padre::Current or whatever proxy. |
| 09:42 |
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Alias |
azawawi: I tried your new shiny regex thingy |
| 09:42 |
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tsee |
Because that mustn't ever be in a worker thread anyway. |
| 09:42 |
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Alias |
azawawi: Have you realised that, after you make the regex, there's no button to actually add the s/foo/bar/ to the current document? |
| 09:42 |
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azawawi |
Alias: yeah |
| 09:43 |
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Alias |
You need a kind of "Insert" button |
| 09:43 |
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azawawi |
Alias: i was actually trying PPIx::Regexp |
| 09:43 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 09:43 |
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* azawawi |
adds an insert button |
| 09:45 |
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tsee |
azawawi, how'd PPIx::Regexp work out? |
| 09:45 |
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tsee |
It seemed useful enough when I checked it our. |
| 09:45 |
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tsee |
*out |
| 09:46 |
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tsee |
All the other regexp parsers were too outdated to handle 5.10 regexps. |
| 09:47 |
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azawawi |
tsee: seems cool |
| 09:48 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10508 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10508 |
| 09:48 |
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Hyppolit |
/g modifier is useless (was generating warnings while matching) |
| 09:48 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 09:48 |
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tsee |
uh oh |
| 09:48 |
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tsee |
The doc viewer in the plugin manager is broken |
| 09:48 |
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tsee |
It shows garbled POD |
| 09:48 |
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* azawawi |
begins a tidal wave of commits :) |
| 09:48 |
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tsee |
azawawi, where's your regexp stuff? |
| 09:48 |
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tsee |
Plugi? |
| 09:48 |
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tsee |
*plugin? |
| 09:49 |
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tsee |
Oh. |
| 09:49 |
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tsee |
Another issue: Enabling plugins in the plugin manager doesn't show their menus in the plugins menu. |
| 09:49 |
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tsee |
I think that only happens on restart. |
| 09:49 |
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tsee |
Alias, might that latter issue be related to some of your code wrangling? |
| 09:52 |
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tsee |
Actually. The doc viewer in general is screwed. |
| 09:52 |
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tsee |
Is that something particular to my system or can anyone reproduce it? |
| 09:52 |
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Alias |
tsee: Possibly, although more likely it's because of whoever did the refactoring of delaying the refresh of each menu until they are shown |
| 09:52 |
|
tsee |
I've seen it for the first time today. And today's the first time I ran Padre from my new harddrive/linux. |
| 09:53 |
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tsee |
(related note: SSDs *do* kick ass) |
| 09:53 |
|
Alias |
I'm THIS close to converting |
| 09:53 |
|
Alias |
Next laptop for sure |
| 09:53 |
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tsee |
I caved in and bought an intel x25-M g2 160gb. |
| 09:53 |
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tsee |
Large enough to hold a fair chunk of my $work data. |
| 09:54 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10509 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10509 |
| 09:54 |
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Hyppolit |
safely with $document on editor_enable |
| 09:54 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ |
| 09:54 |
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tsee |
Computer fires up instantly, even considering it's running all sorts of databases and services. |
| 09:54 |
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tsee |
Compilation time went down a lot. Linking time even more. |
| 09:54 |
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tsee |
PADRE STARTUP! |
| 09:54 |
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submersible |
tsee: I see the same plugins-menu problem |
| 09:55 |
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tsee |
submersible, thanks. |
| 09:55 |
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tsee |
"perl dev.pl -a" takes < 2 seconds to show the Padre window. It never manages to display the splash screen at all. |
| 09:55 |
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tsee |
And the -a used to be a real drag. |
| 09:56 |
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tsee |
Sorry for the rant. I just had to justify the expense to myself. |
| 09:56 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10510 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10510 |
| 09:56 |
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Hyppolit |
Added insert regex button (Alias++) |
| 09:56 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 09:56 |
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azawawi |
tsee: Edit/regex editor |
| 09:56 |
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azawawi |
tsee: i still didnt add my PPIx::Regexp code yet.. |
| 09:57 |
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azawawi |
Alias__: is it okay to make Padre depend on it? |
| 09:57 |
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Alias |
Personally, I'm fine with it |
| 09:57 |
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tsee |
Me, too. |
| 09:57 |
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Alias |
It's built on the same underpinnings as PPI, so it should have almost entirely the same dependencies |
| 09:57 |
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Alias |
So it should be, I think, a net dependency increase of only 1 |
| 09:57 |
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tsee |
Edit menu has become WAY too large. |
| 09:57 |
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azawawi |
i think it adds Readonly when installing... |
| 09:57 |
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tsee |
Yuck. |
| 09:57 |
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Alias |
It uses Readonly? |
| 09:58 |
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Alias |
We can refactor that away if need be |
| 09:58 |
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azawawi |
i dont remember, it installed one package... |
| 09:58 |
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tsee |
Depends on the stance of the PPIx::Regexp author. |
| 09:58 |
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Alias |
I was going to offer him a more "official" PPI::Regexp at some point |
| 09:58 |
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Alias |
So I can make conditions :) |
| 09:58 |
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tsee |
Error while autoloading 'Wx::wxRE_READONLY' at /home/tsee/perl/padre/trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/RegexEditor.pm line 156 |
| 09:58 |
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* azawawi |
double checks |
| 09:58 |
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azawawi |
my internet is very slow today |
| 09:59 |
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tsee |
azawawi, also, if you can load existing regexps into the editor, you should add a right-click context-sensitive hook. |
| 09:59 |
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Alias |
tsee: How much was the SSD? |
| 09:59 |
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tsee |
Or have somebody else do that for you. |
| 09:59 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10511 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10511 |
| 09:59 |
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Hyppolit |
switch over to Wx::App instead of main |
| 09:59 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
| 09:59 |
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tsee |
Alias: 380EUR. |
| 09:59 |
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azawawi |
http://deps.cpantesters.org/?m[…]egexp;perl=latest |
| 09:59 |
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azawawi |
# Readonly... |
| 09:59 |
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tsee |
A shard of my heart as a PhD student, but I expect it to measurably increase my productivity. |
| 10:00 |
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tsee |
azawawi, so when you add the dependency, also add a dependency on Readonly::XS because that'll automatically be used if available. |
| 10:00 |
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tsee |
It does away with some of the pain that Readonly incurs. |
| 10:01 |
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tsee |
Alias: But then again, I do a lot of "edit C++" && make -j3 install && ./testprogram && repeat cycles. |
| 10:01 |
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Alias |
Readonly is essentially pointless |
| 10:01 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10512 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10512 |
| 10:01 |
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Hyppolit |
Depends on PPIx::Regexp to do some magic stuff on the Regex Editor... |
| 10:01 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
| 10:01 |
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Alias |
use constant is better in every possible way than Readonly, other than it doesn't interpolate |
| 10:01 |
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azawawi |
tsee: will do.... |
| 10:01 |
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tsee |
And in some contexts, it needs disambiguation. |
| 10:01 |
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tsee |
azawawi, thanks! |
| 10:02 |
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tsee |
I.e. 2*FOO => 2*FOO() |
| 10:03 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10513 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10513 |
| 10:03 |
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Hyppolit |
I think this might resolve the issue with catching events from main |
| 10:03 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-slave-driver-thread/lib/Padre/ |
| 10:03 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10514 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10514 |
| 10:03 |
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Hyppolit |
Added Readonly::XS to dependency list |
| 10:03 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
| 10:03 |
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submersible |
tsee - try that if you get a moment pls |
| 10:04 |
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Alias |
Do Readonly variables const-away at compile time? |
| 10:04 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10515 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10515 |
| 10:04 |
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Hyppolit |
Missing quote from previous commit. azawawi-- |
| 10:04 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
| 10:05 |
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Alias |
... when you use the ::XS version |
| 10:05 |
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tsee |
submersible, on it! |
| 10:05 |
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tsee |
Alias: Does it? I didn't know that. |
| 10:05 |
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azawawi |
tsee: any eta on the branch merge? |
| 10:05 |
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tsee |
I was just trying to say that use-constant needs disambiguation at times. |
| 10:06 |
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tsee |
azawawi, no. Well, depends on how submersible's fixes work out. |
| 10:06 |
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tsee |
It's all pretty experimental still. |
| 10:06 |
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tsee |
And I have but a half brain. |
| 10:07 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10516 | tsee++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10516 |
| 10:07 |
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Hyppolit |
Support for loading plugins from dev.pl even from branches |
| 10:07 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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| 10:08 |
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tsee |
submersible, out of curiosity: What does ::swarm use Graph.pm for? |
| 10:08 |
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submersible |
:) |
| 10:08 |
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submersible |
maintaining state |
| 10:08 |
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tsee |
Usage: $thr->kill('SIG...') at /home/tsee/perl/padre/branches/Padre-slave-driver-thread/lib/Padre/TaskManager.pm line 434. |
| 10:08 |
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tsee |
Not saying this is your fault... |
| 10:08 |
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submersible |
and hopefuly some really glamorous plots later |
| 10:08 |
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submersible |
mm |
| 10:09 |
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submersible |
gah - 86-service is borked too |
| 10:09 |
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submersible |
oops |
| 10:14 |
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tsee |
azawawi, any ETA on when I can run the regexp editor? |
| 10:14 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10517 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10517 |
| 10:14 |
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Hyppolit |
crush some warnigns and errors |
| 10:14 |
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Hyppolit |
branches/Padre-slave-driver-thread/lib/Padre/ branches/Padre-slave-driver-thread/lib/Padre/Wx/ |
| 10:15 |
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submersible |
warnigns eh? |
| 10:15 |
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chorny |
Alias: Readonly.pm variables are normal variables with readonly flag (for scalars in XS version) or tied (for arrays and hashes). |
| 10:15 |
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tsee |
submersible, you probably want to add a Swarm dependency on JSON::XS. |
| 10:16 |
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submersible |
how did i miss that |
| 10:16 |
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tsee |
Let me take a wager: You had it installed already? |
| 10:16 |
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submersible |
clearly - but I should also know better |
| 10:17 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10518 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10518 |
| 10:17 |
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Hyppolit |
Added regex description UI |
| 10:17 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 10:17 |
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azawawi |
tsee: using PPIx::Regexp? |
| 10:17 |
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tsee |
azawawi, either way. |
| 10:18 |
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azawawi |
tsee: it is working now |
| 10:18 |
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tsee |
Not for me. |
| 10:18 |
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azawawi |
tsee: but not with PPIx::Regexp |
| 10:18 |
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tsee |
azawawi, Error while autoloading 'Wx::wxRE_READONLY' at /home/tsee/perl/padre/trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/RegexEditor.pm line 156 |
| 10:18 |
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tsee |
Wx 0.96 |
| 10:18 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10519 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10519 |
| 10:18 |
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Hyppolit |
Perl tidy |
| 10:18 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 10:19 |
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tsee |
submersible, t/86-service.t ............. 1/? Padre->new has not been called yet at /home/tsee/perl/padre/branches/Padre-slave-driver-thread/blib/lib/Padre/Task.pm line 535 |
| 10:19 |
|
tsee |
# Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen. t/86-service.t ............. Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00) All 9 subtests passed |
| 10:19 |
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azawawi |
tsee: i see |
| 10:19 |
|
tsee |
And of course, the now classic t/85-task-manager.t ........ 7/18 Use of uninitialized value in null operation during global destruction. |
| 10:19 |
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tsee |
submersible, other than that, it seems to be working. |
| 10:19 |
|
tsee |
I could even load ::Swarm |
| 10:19 |
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azawawi |
tsee: im using Wx 0.94 and it is working fine... but that's on vista |
| 10:19 |
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submersible |
what did u see? |
| 10:19 |
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azawawi |
tsee: let me upgrade Wx |
| 10:20 |
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submersible |
srry - afk for some minutes |
| 10:20 |
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tsee |
submersible, from swarm? The chat window. |
| 10:20 |
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tsee |
submersible, does ::Swarm allow remote editing yet? Not in the fine-grained sense but in the "give me control over your document NOW" sense? |
| 10:21 |
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tsee |
oops, well. See you in a couple of minutes. |
| 10:21 |
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azawawi |
tsee: maybe Wx::Richtextctrl is not supported under linux? |
| 10:21 |
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tsee |
That would be strange. |
| 10:21 |
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tsee |
If in doubt, we can bring it up on the wx users listl. |
| 10:21 |
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tsee |
I'm installing Wx 0.94 for testing. |
| 10:22 |
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azawawi |
try removing Wx::wxRE_READONLY |
| 10:22 |
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tsee |
Let me try the older Wx first. |
| 10:22 |
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azawawi |
tsee: okay |
| 10:24 |
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Alias |
chorny: Do variables curry away when they have the readonly flag on? |
| 10:24 |
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Alias |
That's all I really care about |
| 10:25 |
|
* Alias |
is going to remove Test::ClassAPI from PPI to compensate for the addition of PPIx::Regexp |
| 10:26 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: worked with Wx 0.96 |
| 10:26 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: Maybe richtextctrl doesnt compile for Linux? |
| 10:26 |
|
* azawawi |
uninstalls Readonly |
| 10:26 |
|
tsee |
Alias: I don't think so. |
| 10:27 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, okay, similarly 0.94 didn't help. |
| 10:27 |
|
tsee |
I'll lose the READONLY. |
| 10:27 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10520 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10520 |
| 10:27 |
|
Hyppolit |
More comments |
| 10:27 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 10:28 |
|
tsee |
Error while autoloading 'Wx::wxRE_MULTILINE' at /home/tsee/perl/padre/trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/RegexEditor.pm line 156 |
| 10:29 |
|
chorny |
Alias: no |
| 10:29 |
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azawawi |
tsee: drop it also |
| 10:29 |
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tsee |
Can't locate object method "new" via package "Wx::RichTextCtrl" (perhaps you forgot to load "Wx::RichTextCtrl"?) at /home/tsee/perl/padre/trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/RegexEditor.pm line 156. |
| 10:29 |
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azawawi |
tsee: aha |
| 10:29 |
|
tsee |
So richtext might be dead. |
| 10:29 |
|
tsee |
I'll check out the wx build. |
| 10:29 |
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azawawi |
http://docs.wxwidgets.org/stab[…]ctrloverview.html |
| 10:31 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, it was built: -rw-r--r-- 1 tsee tsee 3390600 2010-02-05 11:30 RichText.o |
| 10:31 |
|
tsee |
in ext/richtext |
| 10:32 |
|
tsee |
Also passes tests. |
| 10:32 |
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azawawi |
tsee: about Readonly::XS, i uninstalled Readonly to make sure we can live without it |
| 10:32 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: it breaks PPIx::Regexp |
| 10:35 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: ah i see, i thought Readonly::XS was a replacement for Readonly... ignore my ignorance :) |
| 10:36 |
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chorny |
Internal::readonly (or somethig like that) is a good replacement for Readonly. |
| 10:36 |
|
azawawi |
chorny: hi there :) |
| 10:36 |
|
tsee |
chorny, InternalS, I think |
| 10:36 |
|
chorny |
azawawi: hi |
| 10:42 |
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tsee |
azawawi, strange thing it's working for you at all. |
| 10:42 |
|
tsee |
Ah, nevermind. Found something I'd been missing |
| 10:42 |
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azawawi |
tsee: what is it? |
| 10:43 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, nevermind. I was looking at the XS++ code for richtextctrl |
| 10:43 |
|
tsee |
Can anyone on linux test the regexp editor, please? |
| 10:43 |
|
tsee |
I may have a problem because I have my hacked ExtUtils::XSpp installed which does exception handling. |
| 10:43 |
|
tsee |
Seems unlikely, but maybe that's breaking things. |
| 10:43 |
|
tsee |
Man, I hope not. |
| 10:44 |
|
* azawawi |
powers up his old ubuntu vm |
| 10:46 |
|
tsee |
Aha, I might have found the culprit. |
| 10:46 |
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azawawi |
tsee: this will take time on my vm... since i havent updated it for a while |
| 10:46 |
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tsee |
azawawi, I'm looking into the XS while you're testing. |
| 10:46 |
|
tsee |
I appreciate that. |
| 10:46 |
|
tsee |
I was just about to cut an EU::XSpp release. |
| 10:46 |
|
tsee |
Would have sucked to let a bad one escape. |
| 10:49 |
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submersible |
tsee: not really remote editing yet. |
| 10:49 |
|
submersible |
tsee: if you don't see any output in the chat window. it's not working. |
| 10:49 |
|
tsee |
I do |
| 10:50 |
|
tsee |
"blablah created chat session" or something |
| 10:50 |
|
submersible |
data is just being spewed out on a multicast address. so if u were running padre on the same 'network' other editors will see that chatter |
| 10:50 |
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submersible |
beware |
| 10:51 |
|
tsee |
I don't think multicast crosses my router. |
| 10:51 |
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submersible |
the ttl is 1 so they should not |
| 10:51 |
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tsee |
MAN, Shlomi. Get some decency. |
| 10:52 |
|
submersible |
but the chat window is an event drone. so if you see output when you type in there.. it;'s coming via the network |
| 10:55 |
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submersible |
tsee: I suspect that the null oper in global destruction is a db handle |
| 10:56 |
|
tsee |
submersible, ah. Interesting thought. |
| 10:56 |
|
tsee |
That may be dangerous, really. |
| 10:57 |
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submersible |
if there is a db conn open during thread spawning maybe.. I'm not certain |
| 11:02 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10521 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10521 |
| 11:02 |
|
Hyppolit |
update depends JSON::Xs |
| 11:02 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/ |
| 11:04 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, I found a bug in the new EU::XSpp for sure. I'm testing now whether the bug fix also fixes RichTextCtrl. |
| 11:04 |
|
tsee |
Code generation is such a fragile best! |
| 11:04 |
|
tsee |
*beast, damnit |
| 11:08 |
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azawawi |
tsee: nearly finished testing, had to pull like 20 packages |
| 11:08 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, okay, my "fixed" xspp still fails on the Richtext. |
| 11:08 |
|
tsee |
I'm pretty sure it's that and not a platform thing. |
| 11:09 |
|
tsee |
But whittling out those bugs isn't going to be fun. |
| 11:09 |
|
tsee |
OTOH it would be sad to see the improvements to EU::XSpp go to waste. |
| 11:09 |
|
tsee |
You can now throw C++ exceptions and have them auto-converted to perl-croaks. |
| 11:10 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: bug confirmed on ubuntu... |
| 11:10 |
|
tsee |
Aha! |
| 11:10 |
|
tsee |
Surprising and unsettling. |
| 11:11 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: same as your issue |
| 11:14 |
|
azawawi |
if it does not work, we can always switchback to HtmlWindow |
| 11:14 |
|
azawawi |
since that's what im using it for... readonly/multiline/multi-style... |
| 11:17 |
|
tsee |
Doh. Wx trunk might have to do with some of the other issues I'm seeing. |
| 11:18 |
|
tsee |
SSD++ # paying of as I build the tenth Wx.pm |
| 11:23 |
|
tsee |
Okay, somehow, I sincerely nuked my setup. |
| 11:23 |
|
tsee |
Does this ring a bell to anyone? unable to resolve overloaded method for Wx::ListCtrl::SetItem at /home/tsee/perl/padre/branches/Padre-slave-driver-thread/lib/Padre/Action/Plugins.pm line 41 |
| 11:23 |
|
tsee |
I guess not. |
| 11:25 |
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| 11:25 |
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azawawi |
tsee: what do u think? keep using richtext control or simply use htmlwindow? |
| 11:26 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, I don't know yet. I'll have to repair my ... whole perl environment before I can comment. |
| 11:28 |
|
tsee |
Okay. rm-rf .padre helped a bit |
| 11:28 |
|
tsee |
submersible, there's a Swarm bug. |
| 11:28 |
|
tsee |
If you load the plugin without any previous bottom pane open, it corrupts the GUI |
| 11:29 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, I can now get at the regexp editor |
| 11:29 |
|
tsee |
Using Wx 0.96 (not trunk) and EU::XSpp 0.07 (not trunk) |
| 11:30 |
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azawawi |
so EU::XSpp is the culprit? |
| 11:30 |
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azawawi |
tsee: PPIx::Regexp fails gracefully a bit on some captures |
| 11:30 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, nah. strike that. |
| 11:31 |
|
tsee |
I was on the slave driver branch |
| 11:31 |
|
tsee |
Which is behind trunk. |
| 11:31 |
|
tsee |
Padre trunk is still crashing with the usual error. |
| 11:31 |
|
tsee |
It seems EU::XSpp and the richtext problem aren't related after all. |
| 11:33 |
|
submersible |
tsee: there's many bugs in there ! |
| 11:33 |
|
tsee |
submersible, just saying. |
| 11:33 |
|
tsee |
Might not even be a problem specific to ::Swarm. |
| 11:33 |
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submersible |
:) thanks - I have been going on a round of ->Hide |
| 11:35 |
|
submersible |
aha - yep awesome bug |
| 11:38 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10522 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10522 |
| 11:38 |
|
Hyppolit |
hide Resources panel AFTER sizing. |
| 11:38 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ |
| 11:39 |
|
* azawawi |
converts stuff to use Padre::Wx::HtmlWindow |
| 11:40 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, I currently see no other way of fixing the issue. |
| 11:40 |
|
tsee |
BUT |
| 11:40 |
|
tsee |
I think you should bring this up on wxperl-users. |
| 11:41 |
|
tsee |
I'd do it, but I really have no idea what you're doing with it. |
| 11:41 |
|
tsee |
Mattia's been pretty active recently. You're likely to get a swift response. |
| 11:41 |
|
azawawi |
yeah i noticed... the RT emails just keep coming |
| 11:44 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10523 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10523 |
| 11:44 |
|
Hyppolit |
Converting 1st richtext control code to use Padre::Wx::HtmlWindow instead since it is not working on Linux |
| 11:44 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 11:48 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10524 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10524 |
| 11:48 |
|
Hyppolit |
Removing all traces of Wx::RichtextCtrl ... |
| 11:48 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 11:48 |
|
* submersible |
plays evil with EVT_IDLE MUahahahahaAHAH |
| 11:48 |
|
tsee |
EVT_IDLE? |
| 11:49 |
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azawawi |
tsee: please it try it now... it seems to work on my VM now :) |
| 11:50 |
|
tsee |
Oh fuc. |
| 11:50 |
|
tsee |
git-svn-- |
| 11:50 |
|
tsee |
It just made me commit to a fucking tag. |
| 11:51 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, doesn't crash! |
| 11:51 |
|
tsee |
But you might want to go easy with the vertical screen estate. |
| 11:51 |
|
tsee |
It fills a good 800 pixels. |
| 11:52 |
|
tsee |
Which is the total height of my display. |
| 11:52 |
|
tsee |
Whereas I understand 768 or some such is quite common for the 16:9 laptops. |
| 11:54 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10525 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10525 |
| 11:54 |
|
Hyppolit |
Perl tidy, Set the focus on the regex text field, and More accelerators |
| 11:54 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 11:56 |
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azawawi |
tsee: so wider instead of taller right for 16:9 screens? |
| 11:56 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, yep. |
| 11:57 |
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azawawi |
tsee: it was good until i added the non-functioning description field (which is supposed to say in english what the regular expression means) |
| 11:57 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: that's where PPIx::Regexp is going to be used |
| 11:57 |
|
tsee |
Maybe make that a pop up or something? |
| 11:57 |
|
tsee |
A button? |
| 12:05 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10526 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10526 |
| 12:05 |
|
Hyppolit |
Nuking the use CreateStdDialogButtonSizer in "Quick Menu Access" dialog since it is not multi-lingual |
| 12:05 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 12:05 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: could be... the UI is not final yet... im experimenting :) |
| 12:05 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, just an idea. |
| 12:06 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: thx |
| 12:06 |
|
tsee |
azawawi, is it okay if I experiment with the right-click context hook for the editor? |
| 12:06 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: no problem |
| 12:06 |
|
azawawi |
tsee: go ahead :) |
| 12:06 |
|
tsee |
"looks like regexp" will be much more difficult than "looks like variable" heuristics. |
| 12:07 |
|
tsee |
Maybe it won't work out well. |
| 12:11 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10527 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10527 |
| 12:11 |
|
Hyppolit |
Removed all uses of CreateStdDialogButtonSizer in Padre dialogs since it is not multi-lingual |
| 12:11 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 12:14 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10528 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10528 |
| 12:14 |
|
Hyppolit |
Not a Perl tidy :) |
| 12:14 |
|
Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
| 12:16 |
|
* azawawi |
lunch & |
| 12:28 |
|
tsee |
Alias, as the great PPI author, do you have any ideas how one could write a quick-and-dirty piece of code that guesses whether the cursor is inside a regular expression? |
| 12:28 |
|
tsee |
Without PPI, of course. |
| 12:29 |
|
Alias |
As it so happens, I promised szabgab I'd write that exact function |
| 12:30 |
|
Alias |
An I have about 20-50 lines of code in my head that should be able to do it, half formed |
| 12:30 |
|
Alias |
And... |
| 12:31 |
|
Alias |
Or at least, I have a solution that holds for patterns that exist on a single line |
| 12:31 |
|
Alias |
Like finding the class name the cursor is over |
| 12:31 |
|
tsee |
Well. Single line ones would be reasonably feasible. |
| 12:32 |
|
tsee |
Though usually, you can generalize by matching the whole document and using /s |
| 12:32 |
|
Alias |
And there's another alternate method that should work pretty well for regexp specifically |
| 12:32 |
|
tsee |
Can it do "qr fooof"? |
| 12:32 |
|
tsee |
Where the f's are the delims? |
| 12:32 |
|
tsee |
Matching quotelikes in perl is the worst thing ever. |
| 12:32 |
|
Alias |
The regexp one would introspec the lexer |
| 12:32 |
|
Alias |
introspect |
| 12:33 |
|
tsee |
"the lexer"? I'm talking about a non-PPI (i.e. fast) solution. |
| 12:33 |
|
tsee |
For the right-click context menu. |
| 12:33 |
|
Alias |
I'm talking about the scintilla lexer |
| 12:33 |
|
tsee |
Aha! |
| 12:33 |
|
Alias |
You should be able to find the lexical context at the cursor |
| 12:33 |
|
tsee |
Can we call that even if the user chose to use a different lexer? |
| 12:33 |
|
Alias |
No |
| 12:34 |
|
tsee |
Damn.- |
| 12:34 |
|
Alias |
But then scintilla is the only lexer that doesn't suck |
| 12:34 |
|
tsee |
Still smells like a problem waiting to happen. |
| 12:34 |
|
Alias |
It might be able to work based on the colour type, not the processing engine that produces them |
| 12:35 |
|
Alias |
Examine the logical colour type in existance at the point in state, not ask the lexer to process anything |
| 12:35 |
|
Alias |
Which would make it instant, if it works |
| 12:36 |
|
Alias |
That would locate you the really exotic stuff, but not the simple stuff like class names that fall into "word" and so on |
| 12:36 |
|
tsee |
What if you reuse the same color? |
| 12:37 |
|
tsee |
Or is it more abstract than that? |
| 12:37 |
|
Alias |
lexical colour, not literal colour |
| 12:37 |
|
Alias |
And for values that are common/indeterminate "is this a class name" that should hopefully fit into the sub-line thing |
| 12:37 |
|
Alias |
This is all still half-formed of course, and hasn't survived contact with actual code |
| 12:43 |
|
tsee |
Alias: Okay, since you have this laid out in your head, I'll punt on the context menu for the regexps for now. |
| 12:43 |
|
Alias |
I'm more likely to get the "Is the cursor inside a class name" stuff first |
| 12:44 |
|
tsee |
Because just doing a half-decent job would be hard and I'd hate to do a 1.0 implementation that takes quite some effort only to be replaced by something better soon. |
| 12:44 |
|
tsee |
Well, that's moderately easy for the simple cases. At least compared to regexes. |
| 12:44 |
|
Alias |
Well, different methods |
| 12:44 |
|
Alias |
And compared to introspecting the lexer, just getting the current line string and parsing it is relatively easy |
| 12:45 |
|
tsee |
Well, parsing it wrt. regexes and quotelikes is all but easy. |
| 12:48 |
|
Alias |
PPI is pretty fast over very short distances |
| 12:48 |
|
Alias |
Under, say, 10 lines of code |
| 12:48 |
|
Alias |
So there's options there too |
| 12:49 |
|
tsee |
How well does it handle starting the parse at arbitrary points in the code? |
| 12:49 |
|
Alias |
badly |
| 12:49 |
|
tsee |
Using a regex-based parser to determine statement boundaries is difficult, too. |
| 12:49 |
|
tsee |
That's what I though. |
| 12:49 |
|
Alias |
Well, that's not entirely true |
| 12:49 |
|
tsee |
*thought |
| 12:49 |
|
Alias |
It CAN parse line noise |
| 12:50 |
|
tsee |
yeah, well, it spits out "wrong" results, then. |
| 12:50 |
|
Alias |
So it would certainly produce SOME document |
| 12:50 |
|
Alias |
right |
| 12:50 |
|
tsee |
Not helpful. |
| 12:50 |
|
Alias |
So you'd really need to find a kind of "keyframe" |
| 12:50 |
|
Alias |
A known safe point |
| 12:50 |
|
tsee |
That would be a great feature in general. |
| 12:50 |
|
Alias |
It would only need to be safe with regards to quotes and quotelikes |
| 12:50 |
|
submersible |
what is going on w/ padre::wx::dialog |
| 12:50 |
|
tsee |
"find the next keyframe before the start of my currently visible piece of code" |
| 12:51 |
|
Alias |
Because it can tokenenize starting at an arbitrary nested depth |
| 12:51 |
|
tsee |
"find the the next keyframe after" => PPI highlighting |
| 12:51 |
|
Alias |
You might be able to use the lexer for that |
| 12:52 |
|
chorny |
Is there any todo list with near future plans for Padre? |
| 12:53 |
|
Alias |
Officially, there is no roadmap |
| 12:53 |
|
Alias |
We prefer itch scratching |
| 12:53 |
|
Alias |
Find something about Padre you personally wish sucked less or worked better |
| 12:54 |
|
Alias |
Most of the things that "need doing" and haven't been done yet are enormous or vague |
| 12:55 |
|
Alias |
chorny: Anything in particular you'd like to see? |
| 12:56 |
|
Alias |
To give you an example, I hate that syntax checking of unsaved changes to modules doesn't work |
| 12:56 |
|
Alias |
Because it uses a temp file for A.pm, which loads B.pm, which loads A.pm, which results in duplicate subroutine errors |
| 12:57 |
|
Alias |
So I'm working on a new way to marshall temp files and tweak PERL5LIB so that problem goes away |
| 12:59 |
|
chorny |
Alias: I want to implement task management system ( todo list :)) plugin for Padre, but I found out that working with WxPerl is very hard. So I'm trying to work with existing code first. |
| 12:59 |
|
Alias |
GUI work is vicious |
| 13:00 |
|
Alias |
And MOST of Padre's gui code kinda sucks |
| 13:02 |
|
azawawi |
Alias: hey Padre's gui code rocks :) |
| 13:02 |
|
Alias |
*cough*Preferences*cough* |
| 13:02 |
|
azawawi |
hey hey |
| 13:02 |
|
Alias |
I've got some on-again, off-again experiments to try to auto-generate sane dialog code |
| 13:03 |
|
azawawi |
i could transform it to an eclipse-like thing if we want to dump that dependency thing |
| 13:03 |
|
Alias |
You'd what a what now? |
| 13:03 |
|
azawawi |
searchable preferences tree like in eclipse |
| 13:04 |
|
azawawi |
like in directory browser but for preferences |
| 13:05 |
|
Alias |
Ah |
| 13:05 |
|
Alias |
Still prefer a more traditional approach myself |
| 13:05 |
|
Alias |
More of a Firefox approach |
| 13:33 |
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| 13:43 |
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Hyppolit |
#844: add wysiwyg-ish pod editing capabilities (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/844 ] |
| 13:54 |
|
Hyppolit |
svn: r10529 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10529 |
| 13:54 |
|
Hyppolit |
First implementation of the regular expression description text field (using PPIx::Regexp). Nothing fancy yet. |
| 13:54 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10530 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10530 |
| 13:55 |
|
Hyppolit |
Tidy the untidied Perl code |
| 13:55 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10531 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10531 |
| 14:09 |
|
Hyppolit |
Regex help comments were not showing up on Linux (since it seems to validate label\tdescription, win32 doesnt) |
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azawawi |
tsee: ping |
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tsee |
pong |
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azawawi |
tsee: i thought about regex highlighting while typing |
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tsee |
ouch |
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azawawi |
tsee: if we do not have a functional richtextctrl... |
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tsee |
You should really send a mail to the list about that. |
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azawawi |
yeah |
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azawawi |
but im sleepy a bit now. Could you do it for me? :) |
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tsee |
No. Because I have NO idea whatsoever about that class. |
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tsee |
Sorry. |
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azawawi |
tsee: np |
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tsee |
My mail would be like "Umm, not worky, okay?" |
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azawawi |
np then i added it my todo-pile :) |
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azawawi |
could you try the latest stuff to check if it is working or not? |
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tsee |
phone. |
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tsee |
azawawi, the description echos the pattern itself |
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tsee |
Aside from the ppi dump |
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tsee |
Ah, sorry. I think it does it only if it contains newlines or so. |
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tsee |
Otherwise, it seems to work fine. |
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azawawi |
yeah it is a first implementation, next step would be the english translation... |
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azawawi |
tsee: thanks for testing it |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10532 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10532 |
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Hyppolit |
Showing match errors and warnings for regex matches |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
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azawawi |
tsee: any progress on the "Edit with Regex Editor" right-click option? |
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tsee |
azawawi, scrapped for now. |
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tsee |
Blocking on Adam implementing "Is this a regexp" function. |
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tsee |
Then, it's trivial. |
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tsee |
Just adding a few simple, lines to Padre::Document::Perl. |
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tsee |
I can't type today. That comma was suppose to go before "simple" |
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azawawi |
*: please send if you have any ideas that we can squeeze into the regex editor... |
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Coke |
is this channel logged? |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10533 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10533 |
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Hyppolit |
Updated Changes |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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azawawi |
Coke: yeah ofcourse |
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azawawi |
Coke: irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today |
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Coke |
bah, didn't even think to check moritz's site. danke. |
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* azawawi |
sleep... have a nice weekend & |
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azawawi |
Coke: np |
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Coke |
azawawi: wanted to point the Readonly author at the chat earlier. =-) |
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azawawi |
Coke: yes? |
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Coke |
nothing in particular. |
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tsee |
Coke, well. I somehow doubt Readonly can be made to do what we expect from a constant: have the optimizer replace it during compile time. |
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tsee |
I doubt Eric could do anything about that. |
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Coke |
eh. he's clever and shifty. |
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Coke |
mostly shifty, mind you. |
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Coke |
besides, there's a kibo-like satisfaction in knowing people are talking about things you've done. |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10534 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10534 |
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Hyppolit |
add preferences via wxglade codegen, minor tweaks |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/junkyard/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
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rindolf |
jq: can we talk? |
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jq |
rindolf: sure |
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rindolf |
jq: OK. |
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rindolf |
jq: I was insulted by your last E-mail. |
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jq |
i was insulted by yours |
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rindolf |
jq: I'm not getting paid to publicise Padre on Freshmeat.net either. |
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jq |
i know |
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rindolf |
And you should mention the changes on the releases. |
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rindolf |
I was giving you good advice in the first E-mail. |
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jq |
from the announce: "What can be said about Padre 0.56 is that it is faster than it has been in a long time. " |
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rindolf |
jq: that's not good enough. |
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rindolf |
jq: and it's announcement, not announce. |
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jq |
rindolf: the announce had a link to alias blog |
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jq |
http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/40133 |
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jq |
if you want to improve the release announce, fine |
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jq |
but the way you *demanded* things was not ok |
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jq |
you can suggest |
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jq |
pete is not paid to do the release either |
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jq |
and if i have to choose between having a release or having it publicized on freshmeat... my choice is done very quickly |
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rindolf |
That's not exactly a good "What's new" |
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jq |
because if there is no release, there's no point announcing it on freshmeat |
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rindolf |
jq: this is a false dichotomy. |
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jq |
well, i can totally imagine pete being offended by you |
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jq |
and quitting in his release manager job |
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jq |
so the points *are* related |
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rindolf |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma |
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jq |
now, i know that you did not want to be rude on purpose |
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jq |
but the fact is, you were |
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rindolf |
jq: I wrote one E-mail which was perfectly polite and constructive and did not get a reply. |
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rindolf |
And someone once told me that when people are doing gratis work on an open-source project, he expects them to do a good job regardless of the fact that they are getting paid. |
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rindolf |
And someone once told me that when people are doing gratis work on an open-source project, he expects them to do a good job regardless of the fact that they are not getting paid. |
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jq |
sure, we take pride in what we do |
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Alias |
jq: It doesn't matter if he quits as release manager |
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Alias |
(just to chime in) |
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jq |
Alias: i think it does |
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jq |
because it means that we loose a contributor |
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Alias |
jq: The release manager position is intended to move around |
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rindolf |
jq: s/loose/lose |
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jq |
since pete is only doing releases currently |
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Alias |
But can we please not bicker about how successful we are? |
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Alias |
I mean, I LIKE that we are having these problems, but still |
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* tsee |
smirks and takes an aspirin. |
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Getty |
dudes... chill! :) |
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tsee |
Grmpf. I can't paste into Padre with middle-mouse click. :( |
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Sewi |
tsee: There is a preference option which might help you |
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tsee |
Sewi, cool, thanks. |
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waxhead |
morning |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r10535 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10535 |
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Hyppolit |
Add more 'Extended Patterns' returned by sub _regex_groups |
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kthakore |
Alias: or Alias__ around? |
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