Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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03:51 submersible braaains.
04:11 kthakore submersible: booooobs
04:12 submersible kthakore: despite it all - that still makes me laugh
04:12 submersible hows the SDL treating you?
04:12 kthakore submersible: it is hurting right now
04:13 kthakore submersible: I got old maintainer mad at me
04:13 submersible that always helps
04:13 kthakore submersible: failed to get frozen bubble working again
04:13 submersible :D
04:13 kthakore and broke 30% of my tests
04:13 submersible oh shit - the world may come to an end!
04:13 kthakore yup
04:13 kthakore all in a weeks work
04:14 submersible I have some vague success w/ swarm
04:14 submersible enough to consider writing a global transport in addition to the multicast one.
04:15 kthakore nice!
04:15 kthakore udp multicast *shudder*
04:15 kthakore I am not a fan of network programing
04:15 kthakore oh ... F@#@ just realized why my tests aren't work
04:15 kthakore my video card is not setup
04:16 kthakore ahhahah
04:31 waxhead submersible, how goes the work with tsee on the branch?
04:33 submersible waxhead: I think it works now... but possibly db handles are leaking into the bg threads and issues some BIZARRE warnings in global destruction
04:33 submersible we're not sure. the t/8* task and service tests exhibit the warning
04:33 waxhead does that mean the branch will likely be merged soon, or still holding off a bit?
04:34 submersible the event passing between threads is now done with the ide->wx object instead of main window
04:34 submersible the only way we will get real testing is to impose it on trunk :)
04:35 submersible kthakore: udp multicast IS brutal - but it generally 'just works' on your local physical network (network is the computer - remind me to send mail to cisco thanking them for that one )
04:36 kthakore submersible: meh what ever
04:36 kthakore submersible: I am glad my networking course is over is all
04:36 submersible really ?
04:36 kthakore yes really
04:37 kthakore I hated that couse so much
04:37 kthakore the prof never could explain it well
04:37 kthakore and I gave up
04:37 submersible I wonder in 100 years what the likes of us will think of the OSI model ... or the socket API as defined
04:37 kthakore in a 100 years the human race will be gone
04:37 kthakore I know I am from the future
04:37 submersible and clearly an alien too
04:37 submersible :)
04:37 kthakore alien?
04:38 kthakore how
04:38 submersible well the human race is gone in 100 years .. so you're not human... what else? the ants have taken over?
04:38 kthakore no the cockroaches
04:38 submersible rise of the machines.
04:38 kthakore ants are pussies
04:39 kthakore machines rusted away
04:39 kthakore radioactive cockroaches
04:39 kthakore with laser beam eyes
04:39 kthakore they kill all the humans
04:40 kthakore yay!
04:40 kthakore my tests work again!
04:40 kthakore :)
04:41 kthakore forgot to compile SDL with x11-dev
04:41 kthakore submersible: I win!
04:41 submersible yes yes
04:41 submersible but still the cockroaches have no grasp of networking
04:42 kthakore submersible: but they are radioactive and have laser beams
04:42 kthakore they have no need for your mortal playthings
04:42 submersible aha - optical signaling
04:42 kthakore they have no need for your mortal playthings
04:42 submersible so they DO have networking !
04:42 kthakore submersible: anywho wanna see SDL perl v2.0 with tests?
04:42 kthakore they have no need for your mortal playthings
04:43 * submersible gets dangerously off topic
04:43 kthakore submersible: np
04:43 kthakore all the ops are asleep
04:43 submersible kthakore: where is the repo?
04:43 kthakore http://github.com/kthakore/SDL_perl/tree/redesign
04:43 kthakore submersible: I suggest you download it
04:44 kthakore submersible: with this http://github.com/kthakore​/SDL_perl/tarball/redesign
04:44 submersible standby
04:44 kthakore hooray!
04:44 kthakore if you are on windows
04:44 kthakore install Alien::SDL first
04:44 submersible ubuntu 9.10
04:46 submersible lots of missing heads reported from Build.PL - ah wait a moment
04:46 submersible I need sdl v2 ? or 1.2
04:46 kthakore sdl 1.2 is fine
04:46 kthakore you need the dev
04:47 submersible ok here we go - canonical package the dev parts in pieces
04:47 kthakore sudo apt-get install libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsmpeg-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
04:47 Hyppolit Changeset #1 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/1
04:47 kthakore that should work
04:47 submersible I think I just found most of them...
04:50 submersible damn them where is the virtual for libsdl-dev-all
04:50 submersible needed libsdl-gfx-dev also
04:50 kthakore submersible: oh let me add that to the wiki
04:50 submersible building
04:51 kthakore yay!
04:51 submersible testing
04:52 submersible black and blue windows jumping all over the place.
04:52 submersible oh - there goes a drawing canvas...
04:52 submersible .. and another one
04:53 submersible t/core_video.t                (Wstat: 0 Tests: 64 Failed: 0)
04:53 submersible TODO passed:   5, 7, 36
04:53 submersible Files=56, Tests=1543, 95 wallclock secs ( 0.40 usr  0.09 sys +  5.87 cusr  0.69 csys =  7.05 CPU)
04:53 submersible Result: PASS
04:53 submersible nice
04:53 submersible I'd call that a successful test
04:54 kthakore yay!
04:54 kthakore \o
04:54 kthakore also guess what
04:54 kthakore we have procedurally generating sound now
04:54 kthakore do
04:54 kthakore set RELEASE_TESTING=1
04:54 kthakore perl Build test --test_files t/core_audiospec.t
04:55 kthakore export RELEASE_TESTING=1
04:55 kthakore I meant
04:55 kthakore submersible: k gtg to sleep
04:56 waxhead submersible, sorry.. fiddling with setting up internet radio stations.. internode have a decent list of unmetered ones..
04:56 waxhead yes, the branch needs to be merged into trunk when things are close enough to being 'ready'.. we can use this cycle to give it a good going over...
05:02 submersible kthakore: I hear a buzzz
05:03 submersible or what one might call a digital fart noise
05:04 submersible waxhead: I'm thinking we should smash it down onto trunk immediately after a release. so all the devs can suffer/report bugs from the very beginning of a cycle
05:05 submersible waxhead: btw - I had to stop myself posting into that thread w/ Shlomi jq and you ... (don't feed the trolls)
05:06 submersible also the slave-driver branch needs to say what it ACTUALLY addresses. and hopefully a way of testing same.
05:08 waxhead submersible, I don't think Schlomi meant to be as acerbic as it came across... however it was worth reminding him that everyone has a life and time frames don't always meet expectations..
05:08 submersible possibly not.
05:09 waxhead as to the branch being merged in.. yes, it should be done..  I had picked after 0.56 being a good time, as most people who commented felt the same..
05:09 waxhead however I'm happy to see a 0.57 go out the door with the merge right behind it..
05:09 submersible hence my reluctance to suggest he be the appointed/annointed marketing vice-president as pennance for caring so much
05:10 waxhead then we can really get into hammer it out over a full dev cycle...
05:10 submersible personally - I am not suffering too much from memory issues w/ padre.
05:10 submersible which i believe was the primary goal.
05:10 waxhead good thing.. I see these things can all too easily escalate beyond the point necessary...
05:11 waxhead me either.. to be honest.. but I guess any gains that can be made should be where it's managable to do so...
05:13 waxhead I don't think I've had a release where I didn't miss something or had a suggestion for the following release... of course all best intentions to remember.. but I don't... I'm surprised I still have the job.. :)
05:16 submersible unless you wiki them - you'll be doing the job forever. scribble some of the big one down in a wikidoc for the release manager de-jour
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05:24 waxhead there' already a wiki page.  i'm adding toit as i go
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05:44 * submersible forms a concatenated string of curses for the optus dsl network
05:46 waxhead :)
05:47 waxhead internode seems to be pretty good so far.. based on a weeks use!  :0
05:47 * waxhead goes back to tidying up the house
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06:18 azawawi good morning
06:24 submersible hi'
06:25 azawawi submersible: so radioactive cockroaches with laser beams will rule the world in the end? :)
06:25 submersible if you believe kthakore
06:26 submersible my main interest is that they MUST be using the laser beams as a networking medium. photonic transmission
06:26 azawawi submersible: im thinking of creating a Edit chrome server for Padre https://chrome.google.com/extensions/d​etail/ljobjlafonikaiipfkggjbhkghgicgoh
06:27 azawawi server code is like this http://github.com/stsquad/emacs_c​hrome/blob/master/servers/pycl.py
06:27 azawawi yuck python :)
06:28 submersible slow down there speedy. ?
06:29 submersible forgive the stupid question : what the hell for?
06:29 azawawi for fun :)
06:29 submersible ok
06:29 azawawi as a plugin ofcourse...
06:30 submersible hmm - well as yet I have not used padre single instance server but I gather that the WxServerSocket works
06:30 submersible presently I am struggling w/ the ClientSocket
06:31 * azawawi writes a blog post atm about it
06:45 submersible aha - finally some success.
06:45 submersible I need to stop using the developer tools 'Run document inside padre'
06:45 submersible for some of these tests - it seems that weird stuff goes wrong by doing that
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08:07 azawawi (for your review) http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.com​/2010/02/padre-and-firefox.html
08:09 Hyppolit svn: r10536 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10536
08:09 Hyppolit Added "Padre, Firefox and Chrome" blog post to Padre website
08:09 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
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09:14 Alias__ \o
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10:16 Sewi hi
10:18 tsee good morning
10:22 kgish mornin'
10:40 Hyppolit svn: r10537 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10537
10:40 Hyppolit - Removed the final usage of the "Provider" phrasing, and made more
10:40 Hyppolit of the modules used by the Perl help provider run-time loaded (ADAMK)
10:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Action/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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11:19 azawawi tsee: ping
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11:19 tsee pong
11:19 azawawi tsee: BEGIN { eval { require Wx::RichText; } }  ...
11:20 azawawi tsee: use Wx::RichText; ...
11:20 azawawi tsee: i found it in wx samples
11:20 LeK hi
11:20 azawawi tsee: wxperl_demo
11:21 tsee I'll give that a shot.
11:22 azawawi i tested it in linux and it worked! :)
11:22 tsee Works, yes.
11:22 azawawi the thing i do not understand why Padre::Wx made it work on win32 but not on Linux
11:22 tsee Yeah.
11:22 tsee No idea.
11:23 azawawi use Wx qw(:everything);
11:23 tsee Either we a) ignore it and add a "use Wx::Richtext" (which should make it work) or b) ping wxperl-users/Mattia about it.
11:23 tsee Wx::RichText, I meant
11:23 azawawi tsee: the thing is it is already in the wxperl sample...
11:23 tsee I only every tried Wx::RichTextCtrl.
11:23 azawawi tsee: very strange
11:23 tsee I meant about why it's working on win32 and not linux.
11:24 tsee What's the status of the key-binding abstraction, by the way?
11:24 tsee Stalled, right?
11:25 azawawi last thing Sewi++ was working on it
11:25 azawawi how about we do use PPI for the right click "Edit Regex" for small perl documents?
11:25 azawawi s/do//
11:26 tsee I think distringuishing between small and large documents is madness.
11:26 tsee *distinguishing
11:26 tsee On *any* level.
11:27 tsee I'm all for heuristics for Padre, usually, but that's the wrong type.
11:27 azawawi as an initial implementation i.e.
11:28 tsee Well, it'd be for waste as soon as there is a better one. I mean, it's up to you whether you want to invest the effort.
11:28 tsee OTOH you could do something else entirely, something reliable:
11:29 tsee Just offer the right-click menu item if the user has selected something.
11:29 tsee And put the selection into the editor to start with.
11:29 tsee That isn't quite as flashy, but it's reliable.
11:29 tsee And very easy to do.
11:30 azawawi ok then, right click on a selection it is
11:33 * azawawi starts working on the dumb-but-smart right-click :)
11:43 Hyppolit svn: r10538 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10538
11:43 Hyppolit The regex field is now rich text control (to prepare for PPIx::Regex highlighting) and added an explicit 'use Wx::RichText' that should fix loading problems on Linux (tsee++).
11:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
11:50 Hyppolit svn: r10539 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10539
11:50 Hyppolit Added a dummy "Edit with Regex Editor" right click option when something is highlighted.
11:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
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12:07 Hyppolit svn: r10540 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10540
12:07 Hyppolit Regex Editor is now lazy like "Open resource" and populates regular expression from user selections.
12:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:09 Hyppolit svn: r10541 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10541
12:09 Hyppolit Right click "Edit with Regex Editor" now works on user-selected text. Enjoy :)
12:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
12:11 Hyppolit svn: r10542 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10542
12:11 Hyppolit Updated Changes
12:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
12:12 Hyppolit svn: r10543 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10543
12:12 Hyppolit Perl tidy
12:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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12:29 kthakore morning
12:55 Alias__ <tsee> I think distringuishing between small and large documents is madness.
12:55 Alias__ I concur with this opinion
12:55 Alias__ Especially because as far as PPI is concerned "small" is a very low number
12:55 Alias__ Assuming a turnaround time of 100 milliseconds, we can only parse about 100-200 lines
12:58 tsee Alias: Thought you would :)
12:58 azawawi lol :)
12:59 Alias__ That's also why I think the PPI syntax highlighter is problematic
12:59 Alias__ Unless I add support to PPI for doing partial windowed document parsing
12:59 Alias__ And only parsed the lines inside the current window
13:00 azawawi Alias__: im also inclined to moving to a simpler Perl 6 highlighter... since STD.pm is always very very slow.
13:00 azawawi Alias__: highlighting should be simple and quick, refactoring should be robust and depending on PPI / STD.pm...
13:02 Alias__ Well, for Perl 6 you can be a bit more slow and alpha'y
13:02 Alias__ I've never seen a Perl 6 file larger than about 200 lines :)
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13:02 Alias__ submersible2, hi submersible at home
13:03 azawawi Alias__: STD.pm ... :)
13:03 Alias__ I've certainly never seen pathalogical Perl 6 files, like the pathalogical Perl 5 files with 25,000 lines
13:05 tsee Alias__, that's not even close to pathological.
13:05 azawawi Alias__: why are we putting a message box in Open URL... try opening http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/src/perl6/STD.pm
13:05 Alias__ tsee: It is for PPI
13:05 Alias__ That's a 15-30 second parse time
13:05 tsee Well, yes.
13:05 Alias__ And a 20-fold memory expansion
13:05 Alias__ At minimum
13:06 tsee Yummy.
13:06 kthakore hiya
13:07 azawawi kthakore: hello
13:08 kthakore azawawi: hiya
13:09 Alias__ azawawi, interesting. I didn't know we could do that
13:09 kthakore doing some Tron AI competition with perl!
13:09 kthakore http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/contest/index.php
13:09 Alias__ azawawi, in fact it's such an unexpected feature that I never would have even looked for it
13:09 kthakore and waiting for Padre to install from scratch jeez deps have grown a lot
13:09 Alias__ kthakore, they actually haven't very much
13:10 tsee Almost the opposite.
13:10 Alias__ We're up by 2 or 3 over the last 3 months
13:10 Alias__ Although the addition of current versions of ExtUtils::MakeMaker and Module::Build might cause a greater number of upgrades-from-core
13:10 kthakore Alias__: well the deps of the deps of the deps on a fresh debian install is a lot
13:11 Alias__ It's probably M:B and EU::MM
13:13 Alias__ azawawi, even if we don't need the Open URL now, we will in the future
13:14 Alias__ Because we'll need special directory handling for it
13:14 kthakore ok
13:14 kthakore Alias__: so AI for tron in perl
13:14 kthakore interested ;)
13:14 kthakore my weekend project
13:14 Alias__ I try to avoid competitions run by Google, because there's too much competition
13:14 azawawi Alias__: the bad thing about it is that my padre.exe is now stuck trying to open it on every startup...
13:14 Alias__ I'm actually involved in an alternative competition
13:15 Alias__ kthakore... which I came second in, actually :)
13:15 kthakore really?
13:15 kthakore where is the link?
13:15 Alias__ Here's the entry we made
13:15 Alias__ http://geo2gov.com.au/
13:16 kthakore well now I have to compete with your AI on tron bots!
13:16 Alias__ Mine?
13:16 Alias__ I've got another competition to win now
13:17 Alias__ http://www.information.nsw.gov.au/apps4nsw
13:17 kthakore ok
13:17 Alias__ So I'm fully consumed until March 22
13:18 kthakore awww
13:18 kthakore Entry is open to:  individuals who are Australian citizens or Australian residents;
13:18 kthakore :P
13:18 kthakore oh well
13:19 Alias__ This competition has less competition and more prize money :)
13:29 kthakore damn it
13:29 kthakore I wnat 100 grand
13:29 kthakore gimmme
13:29 kthakore :p
13:29 kthakore nah i kidd
13:29 kthakore I gotta prep for a game hackathon for TPM
13:32 kthakore oh Alias__ also I start work on frozen bubble
13:32 kthakore I have no clue how to get rid of POSIX() dependency in it
13:32 kthakore Alias__: any clue?
13:33 Alias__ The symbol that Windows doesn't have?
13:33 kthakore no
13:33 kthakore it has this in the code
13:33 kthakore use POSIX
13:33 kthakore wth is that?
13:33 kthakore I am assuming it is not in windows
13:33 Alias__ POSIX is the hardcore "official" standardisation of UNIX
13:34 kthakore I know
13:34 Alias__ At a low API level
13:34 kthakore but frozenbubble depends on it
13:34 kthakore how do I replace that
13:34 Alias__ Windows supports POSIX, because POSIX compliance is needed to get military jobs and so on
13:34 kthakore really?
13:34 Alias__ Yes
13:34 kthakore oh phew!
13:34 Alias__ It just doesn't necesarily support _ALL_ of it
13:34 kthakore I thought it was os specific
13:34 kthakore er ....
13:34 kthakore that is going to suck :(
13:34 Alias__ POSIX is completely and absolutely OS independant
13:34 Alias__ That's the entire point
13:34 kthakore ok
13:35 kthakore 08:34 < Alias__> It just doesn't necesarily support _ALL_ of it
13:35 kthakore that is going to suck bad
13:35 Alias__ Not necesarily
13:35 Alias__ Only if you use something it doesn't support
13:35 Alias__ You'll know pretty fast
13:35 kthakore ok
13:35 Alias__ Because you'll get "Symbol blah is not exported on this host" or something like that
13:35 kthakore ok
13:35 Alias__ About 90% of the time it's no problem
13:36 kthakore ok that I have dealt with before
13:36 kthakore how do I go about adapting old makefiles to Makefile.PL
13:36 kthakore becuase the makefiles are not dmake compatible
13:36 Alias__ oh dear
13:36 Alias__ Well...
13:37 Alias__ Strawberry does ship regular make
13:37 Alias__ Just not as "make"
13:37 kthakore right
13:37 Alias__ So if you're doing an Alien:: kind of thing, it's there
13:37 kthakore but that fails bad
13:37 Alias__ But you have to go through some contortions
13:37 Alias__ I assume it fails because it assumes all kinds of Unix commands exist?
13:37 kthakore yes
13:37 kthakore and other gunk
13:37 kthakore that dmake goes not a valid makefile
13:37 Alias__ What's the makefile for?
13:38 kthakore c stuff
13:38 Alias__ No
13:38 kthakore for the server and otherthings
13:38 kthakore fb_c_stuff
13:38 Alias__ I mean is it for the underlying C libraries, or for the Perl stuff
13:38 kthakore yes it uses bsd sockets
13:38 kthakore and pthreads
13:38 kthakore and SDL_pango
13:38 Alias__ So those exist on Windows?
13:38 kthakore err ... I dunno
13:39 * kthakore has to do way more research
13:39 Alias__ That's probably something you should check
13:39 kthakore ok I will do that
13:39 Alias__ Because if we can't actually build the C stuff on Windows, the entire exercise is pointless
13:39 Alias__ Talk to kmx
13:39 kthakore ok
13:39 Alias__ in #win32
13:39 kthakore I will
13:40 tsee IT USES PTHREADS!?
13:40 kthakore tsee: I think so
13:40 kthakore I dunno
13:40 kthakore it is hughe
13:40 tsee You mean perl pthreads or C pthreads?
13:40 tsee C I presume.
13:40 tsee You'll have a hard time with this, that much I can tell you.
13:41 kthakore tsee: indeed
13:41 kthakore but ... it will be FUN!
13:41 kthakore hehe
13:41 kthakore I am a crazy kook
13:41 tsee Well, I guess you have a different idea of fun than I do.
13:42 kthakore tsee: this just means I might have to write some C
13:42 kthakore tsee: but I can see why FB2.2 wasn't ported to windows
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13:44 Hyppolit svn: r10544 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10544
13:44 Hyppolit Major refactoring of Local::Msgfmt, not it's compatible with Module::Install
13:44 Hyppolit trunk/Locale-Msgfmt/ trunk/Locale-Msgfmt/lib/Locale/ trunk/Locale-Msgfmt/lib/Locale/Msgfmt/ trunk/Locale-Msgfmt/lib/Module/Install/ trunk/Locale-Msgfmt/script/ trunk/Locale-Msgfmt/t/
13:44 Alias__ I need someone to run the release of that
13:44 Alias__ Presumably szbalint
13:44 Alias__ er
13:44 Alias__ szab
13:44 Alias__ szabgab
13:44 Alias__ etc
13:47 Hyppolit svn: r10545 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10545
13:47 Hyppolit Added a private method to return all parse regex elements from PPIx::Regexp (for highlighting experiment)
13:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
14:02 * azawawi lunch &
14:04 szbalint Alias__: hehe. ill pass that on to gabor. we're both at fosdem
14:04 Alias__ Thanks
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14:25 Alias__ Shit
14:25 Alias__ Padre keeps sending files into mixed newlines
14:34 * Alias__ uploads a new PPI release, which reduces the number of dependencies in Padre by one
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14:40 Hyppolit svn: r10546 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10546
14:40 Hyppolit Added commented experimental code for safe keeping
14:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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17:55 Geo hey guys
17:56 Geo is it normal for padre to uninstall my Strawberry Perl, when it gets uninstalled?
18:29 kthakore lol what
18:29 kthakore garu: no
18:29 kthakore oops
18:29 kthakore oh he is gone
18:29 kthakore Geo if you come back no
18:30 Alias_ If he comes back he won't see that :)
18:30 Alias_ And it is normal, if he had installed Padre standalone
18:42 kthakore oh yeah
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22:27 Hyppolit svn: r10547 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10547
22:27 Hyppolit 2 typo in docs
22:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Manual/
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23:59 submersible2 argh - why does help search keep indexing the world

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