Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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00:04 lsm hi.  ubuntu 9.10.  perl 5.10.1 local install.  fresh build of all cpan modules -> Padre.
00:06 lsm i note it's clarified once i start editing internal to a project.  perhaps it's the result of long file names in my directories?  thanks for responding.
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02:03 Alias ooo, new API in latest Wx
02:04 Alias Even more interesting, it's undocumented
02:09 Alias Ah, it's a canvas enhancement
02:26 Alias I wonder if we should ask Mattias to switch namespaces to Wx3 for the changeover to Wx 3.0
02:39 CSJewell Hmmm... Wx::3:: for the stuff that got added, or is it such a big change that nothing is backwards compatible?
02:39 Alias Dunno
02:40 Alias You don't need to change namespaces for new APIs
02:40 Alias It's only ever needed for big back-compatible breakages that out-date all existing code
02:40 Alias Wx.pm does support 2.9
02:40 Alias No idea how to install it though
02:45 CSJewell That's why I was asking.
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06:44 Sewi gm
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07:00 azawawi good morning
07:02 Sewi Hi azawawi
07:04 * azawawi takes a look at the new IBM power7 systems...
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07:16 waxhead hmm... what's up with the channel?
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07:16 Sewi Hi waxhead
07:16 Sewi Hyppolit and szab are missing
07:16 waxhead hey Sewi
07:16 waxhead it wasn't this bad when he went skiing!
07:17 szabgab Sewi, oh
07:17 Sewi It was, but the whole server crashed and Alias rebooted it, but now only Hyppolit is missing but padre.perlide.org is still there.
07:18 szabgab for some reason Hyppolit does not reconnect when it looses connection
07:19 szabgab and the watchdog in the crontab does not help in this case
07:19 szabgab and btw hi everyone, I am back at home and online
07:20 Sewi hi szabgab
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07:20 Sewi szabgab: Just exit; on connection loss, the cronjob could restart it...
07:20 Sewi Hi Hyppolit
07:21 szabgab so I nuked Hyppo and the cron started it now
07:21 szabgab Sewi, sure, but right now I think I am waiting for Getty to fix his version of Hyppolit
07:22 szabgab Sewi, I think you mentioned that there might be place to stay in your flat during CeBIT, is that the case or have I misunderstood something?
07:24 Sewi szabgab: We got a place but it's already gone (Getty was faster), but I'll see if I could arrange something.
07:24 szabgab that would be awesome, thanks
07:25 Sewi I hope we'll get better weather until CeBit, currently it's really bad, raw ice on the streets :-(
07:26 szabgab I was freezing in Brussels
07:26 szabgab even though it was just around 0, it was windy
07:30 Sewi We had -10, around 0 and now -5, the deep snow melted a bit and went to ice once it was cold again and they say that it might change in march
07:38 azawawi we didnt have snow here :(
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07:58 Hyppolit svn: r10645 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10645
07:58 Hyppolit Add MimeType detection for TT and CSS
07:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
07:59 waxhead szabgab, welcome back!
07:59 waxhead oh and there's hyppolit
07:59 Alias \o/
07:59 waxhead what about the channel topic?
07:59 Alias He's back!
08:00 szabgab someone should /op Hyppolit
08:00 szabgab waxhead, what about it?
08:00 waxhead I can't.. I'm no longer an op
08:00 waxhead oh.. I can't see the topic here...
08:00 waxhead thought something went wrong
08:00 szabgab Alias, pls /op Hyppolit
08:00 Hyppolit svn: r10646 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10646
08:00 Hyppolit Various fixing to the resource locker and plugin menu refreshing
08:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
08:00 waxhead szabgab, see that tsee's branch got merged while you were away...
08:01 szabgab yeah I saw that
08:01 waxhead so 0.57 is going to be the release for it.. if it stays...
08:01 Alias I don't know how to op him in mibbit
08:01 waxhead I haven't seen much about it...
08:01 Alias I'm heading home and I'll do it there
08:01 waxhead Alias, nice post the other day too!
08:02 szabgab El_Che, was really nice meeting you!
08:04 waxhead szabgab, I see one of your talks enthused one of the planet.perl.org bloggers...
08:05 szabgab you mean Dave Cross ?
08:05 azawawi szabgab: welcome back
08:06 szabgab hi azawawi
08:14 waxhead szabgab, yep
08:14 waxhead hey azawawi... that nytprof plugin is a bit broken at hte moment.. and it's not as good as it could be...
08:15 szabgab yes, we discussed things extensively with Dave
08:15 waxhead I ran it last night though... the command line assumptions I made have now changed.. so I need to work out how to find the nytprofhtml script...
08:30 * azawawi &
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08:53 * waxhead is contemplating replacing the hard drive in this laptop tonight
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09:06 davorg waxhead: Re-enthused really. It's something that I'd looked at before.
09:17 waxhead jq, thanks
09:19 szabgab jq, ty
09:20 waxhead davorg, that's cool... I've been installing a lot of stuff on ubuntu with CPAN... so I've got quite  a mixed perl environment... I have to wonder if it's a problem waiting to cause me grief, but it's nearly always a problem waiting on updates through the ditros..
09:20 szabgab Hyppolit, trust davorg
09:20 Hyppolit Consider davorg trusted
09:20 Sewi jq, thanks
09:21 szabgab davorg, I have not notices earlier that you were around, great to see you!
09:22 * davorg waves at everyone
09:22 Sewi szabgab: Do you know if we got internet on the cebit booth?
09:23 szabgab I don't think we can rely on that
09:23 szabgab "Yes, there will be power supply and internet for all of you. No, I don't know yet whether it's WLAN or cable, and no, I don't know yet the bandwith."
09:23 szabgab is what I have from the contact person
09:24 Sewi thanks. I don't care about bandwidth as long as it's enough for ssh :-)
09:25 szabgab I am planning on buying maemo or android based mobile phone there
09:28 szbalint go with maemo :) It's a lot more open and capable
09:31 El_Che szabgab: it already has perl: http://grep.be/blog/en/computer/​code/n900/perl?show_comments=yes
09:32 szabgab yes, I think that's what szbalint showed me at FOSDEM
09:33 szbalint yep
09:37 waxhead oh.. I'm agonising over the same thing.. n900 or android based phone..
09:37 szabgab it costs about 600-800 EURO here
09:38 szabgab n900
09:40 waxhead szabgab, it's about $890 here I think, however the 3G frequency on the phone doesn't support the predominant teleco's 850mhz
09:41 waxhead I'm tossing up installing only linux on this new hard drive or installing vista first... .
09:41 waxhead as much as I never use windows, it gets used every now and then...
09:41 waxhead and the kids use it...
09:42 El_Che waxhead: I have a windows only book scanner (the only scanner on a normal prive level). I use a virtual machine with windows to use it
09:42 submersible szabgab: who is maintaining the blog aggregator ? I need to change my feed url.. and perhaps blog more often..
09:43 waxhead submersible, about time!  :)
09:43 szabgab submersible, it is in our svn repo
09:43 waxhead szabgab, is it?
09:43 submersible oh - really?
09:43 waxhead we need to add sebastian's english one too
09:43 szabgab blogs.padre.perlide.org/
09:43 * submersible receives headslap
09:43 waxhead El_Che, what VM do you use? virtual box?  vmware?
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09:44 szabgab I also have linux only machines and using virtualbox with windows (and some other Linuxes) in it
09:45 El_Che waxhead: virtualbox
09:45 El_Che waxhead: from sun (I need usb support from the VM)
09:46 waxhead El_Che, not the free on in ubuntu then?
09:46 szabgab El_Che, from oracle you mean :-)
09:46 El_Che hehe
09:46 El_Che idd
09:46 waxhead I wonder what sort of support it will get now?
09:46 El_Che waxhead: on my wife's laptop We use the free one, but as my vm is specifically for the scanner I need usb
09:46 El_Che I would hate to see it go, it's pretty nice
09:48 waxhead El_Che, it works for the times I've used....
09:48 waxhead I might go with that then.. just run the vm whenever needed..
09:48 waxhead makes it easier than dual booting..
09:48 El_Che safer as wel
09:48 El_Che just snapshot once in a while
09:49 El_Che my wife runs a few years ubunut, but she still needs word
09:49 Hyppolit svn: r10647 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10647
09:49 Hyppolit update to use.perl.org journal coz ohloh journal just isn't giving me any joy.
09:49 Hyppolit trunk/blogs.padre.perlide.org/data/
09:49 El_Che she runs it inside a VM and she doesn't even see a difference
09:49 submersible waxhead: remember the duplicate swarm messaging that was going on before /
09:49 El_Che as you can freeze a VM ans restarted in a few seconds
09:50 waxhead submersible, yep
09:50 waxhead submersible, yep
09:50 submersible it gets really
09:50 submersible ..
09:50 submersible HAHAHA
09:50 waxhead :)
09:50 waxhead :)
09:50 submersible u r a funny guy
09:50 submersible fun guy
09:50 submersible fungi
09:51 submersible it got better.. when requesting a document... two requests were sent... hence replied to twice.. so you got 4 opened documents for the price of one!
09:53 waxhead wow..
09:53 Hyppolit svn: r10648 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10648
09:53 Hyppolit YAPB (yet another padre blog)
09:53 Hyppolit trunk/blogs.padre.perlide.org/data/
09:53 waxhead glad I don't have a cap to worry about any more.. :)
09:57 Hyppolit svn: r10649 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10649
09:57 Hyppolit Added "problem with strawberry + padre 0.56" by CSJewell++ to Padre about page.
09:57 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
09:58 submersible waxhead: yeah -wow - confused me until I realized that dup messages were multiplicative and really need to be fixed!
10:00 waxhead submersible.. really need to be fixed huh?  :)
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10:00 submersible well - at least prevent both transports from running at the same time
10:00 submersible so a Local/Global swarm toggle
10:00 waxhead submersible.. ah.. that will help some...
10:01 submersible nuts
10:01 submersible ARGH
10:01 submersible save session just crashed me
10:01 waxhead I've never used save session...
10:02 waxhead there's a lot in Padre I've never used
10:02 Hyppolit svn: r10650 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10650
10:02 Hyppolit link to 0.56 stand alone for windows and 0.55 stand alone for linux
10:02 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
10:03 teejay gas anybody used swarm to collaborate on code in anger yet ?
10:04 teejay could be really handy for us soon
10:04 waxhead teejay, not me... looking forward to the day though... :)
10:05 teejay If I could just have emacs keybinding I'd be using it today
10:05 * waxhead wonders how the keybinding thing works..
10:06 waxhead I lack any real memory muscle with that sort of thing.. so I float fairly easily.. :)
10:06 teejay Wx keybindings are evil
10:06 teejay it's write-only
10:06 teejay no way to extract
10:07 teejay you have to know the baseline key bindings and then track any new ones added
10:07 teejay fun!
10:07 * teejay added code to do the latter part
10:07 teejay but haven't had time to establish base keybindings so not much use yet
10:11 Hyppolit svn: r10651 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10651
10:11 Hyppolit Cleanup code and add syntax highlighted html code
10:11 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
10:12 Hyppolit svn: r10652 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10652
10:12 Hyppolit Added scrollbars to syntax highlighted patch...
10:12 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
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10:14 waxhead hey azawawi
10:14 azawawi szabgab: how does the download page look now?
10:14 szabgab what do you mean?
10:14 azawawi szabgab: i syntax-highlighted the code...
10:14 azawawi szabgab: http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
10:15 azawawi szabgab: and added my fixes to the script to make it easier to use
10:15 szabgab oh, that's great!
10:16 azawawi cool
10:16 * azawawi &
10:31 submersible Alias: geo2gov web front is Catalyst?
10:31 submersible oops - he's not here
10:38 waxhead submersible, it has a catalyst favicon...
10:38 waxhead time for bed... these early mornings are a killer!
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11:54 rhebus I'm trying to isolate reproduction criteria for #846, can anyone help? can someone try "AUTOMATED_TESTING=1 make test" for me and tell me if t/14-warnings.t fails? I've reproduced this on two winXP boxes so far.
11:54 Hyppolit #846: padre fails t/14-warnings.t with "Can't locate object method "ide" via package "Padre"" (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/846#comment:1 ]
11:57 submersible rhebus: same here
11:57 Sewi Can't locate object metod ide via package Padre in Beginner.pm line 90 on ubunu
11:57 Sewi ubuntu
11:58 Sewi Seems Padre isn't loaded/faked
11:58 submersible zactly
12:00 rhebus and if you don't do AUTOMATED_TESTING=1, does the test succeed?
12:00 rhebus ie just a plain make test?
12:01 rhebus I can't understand why AUTOMATED_TESTING would make a difference :S
12:02 Sewi Works without
12:02 rhebus ok, will add this info to the ticket
12:02 rhebus thanks a lot
12:03 rhebus bizarrely, RELEASE_TESTING=1 doesn't cause failures for me, just AUTOMATED_TESTING
12:04 Sewi automated may skip GUI init
12:05 Sewi look at line 12 t/14-warnings
12:05 Hyppolit #846: padre fails t/14-warnings.t with "Can't locate object method "ide" via package "Padre"" (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/846#comment:2 ]
12:07 rhebus actually, it looks like if AUTOMATED_TESTING isn't set, t/14-warnings.t just exits...
12:08 Sewi sure
12:08 rhebus do we have some sort of AUTOMATED_TESTING or RELEASE_TESTING schedule as part of the release management?
12:08 Sewi release?
12:08 Sewi there is a release checklist in the dev wiki
12:08 Sewi wiki?
12:08 * rhebus -> wiki
12:09 Sewi no quicklinks for this :-(
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12:12 rhebus http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Release suggests that RELEASE_TESTING is part of the checklist, but AUTOMATED_TESTING is not, which may be why this bug was only found by accident :/
12:12 rhebus there seems to be a similar one in t/93-whateveritscalled.t
12:14 rhebus t/93-padre-filename-win.t has a line $TODO = 'Failing this is no reason to stop install' unless $ENV{AUTOMATED_TESTING};
12:14 rhebus i don't understand the logic there: if it's a TODO, it shouldn't fail tests under any circumstances, even AUTOMATED_TESTING
12:15 Sewi It's no TODO
12:16 Sewi But if it fails, it shouldn't stop cpan based installations as it's unlikely that people would ever see this error
12:16 Hyppolit #846: padre fails t/14-warnings.t with "Can't locate object method "ide" via package "Padre"" under AUTOMATED_TESTING=1 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/846#comment:3 ]
12:17 rhebus ok
12:22 Hyppolit svn: r10653 | kthakore++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10653
12:22 Hyppolit main not found
12:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/
12:22 kthakore Sewi: more funky ness ^^
12:22 kthakore Sewi: can you look at #845?
12:22 Hyppolit #845: Padre assumes incorrect location of scripts (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/845 ]
12:27 Sewi kthakore: Please add your OS, there are big differences between win and linux, I thinkg
12:27 Sewi -g
12:27 kthakore ok
12:27 kthakore linux
12:29 Sewi strange, I expected win
12:30 Sewi Please get you Padre PID and try ls -l  /proc/Padre_PID to see which cwd Padre has.
12:31 kthakore cwd -> /home/kthakore/Development/Personal/padregit
12:32 Sewi Is this where you did your echo?
12:33 kthakore yes
12:33 Sewi does ls /home/kthakore/Development/Pers​onal/padregit/folder/script.pl work?
12:33 kthakore the script is in folder/script.pl
12:33 kthakore yes
12:34 Sewi You should add a debug print to Document.pm -> new to see which filename gets there and maybe also add a "system cwd" there.
12:35 kthakore ok
12:36 kthakore I have to go to work now
12:36 kthakore I will see later
12:56 submersible who added Todo list? was that from Corion?
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12:57 Alias Wow, I just got what appears to be a blind job offer
12:57 Alias CTO of a gambling website in Malaysia
12:58 submersible refreshing change after being hounded by pron-peddlers?
12:58 submersible :D
13:00 Getty Alias: lol pure money ;)
13:00 Alias submersible: Hounded is a bad word
13:01 Alias I'd have to move to Malaysia... and become management...
13:03 Alias Getty: Hardly pure money...
13:03 Alias Getty: 1. You have to work for a gambling website
13:04 Alias I've actually seen the very edges of that industry, and I didn't like what I saw
13:04 Alias 2. The gambling industry is vicious
13:05 Alias Blackmail DDOS are common, timing is sensitive
13:05 Alias Hacking is probably constant
13:05 Getty depends on their concept
13:05 Getty there are many gambling sites, where even hacking doesnt care much (cause they have no throwout anyway)
13:06 Getty in germany its getting a hard theme, cause many many game-addicted people invest tons of money
13:06 Alias Yup, it's a dirty industry
13:06 Alias Although if I was management career minded, I might well go for it
13:06 Getty if you dont have any morale its the best you can do :)
13:07 Alias Alas, I do
13:08 Alias I did an advertising startup, and even then I felt a bit dirty
13:15 * submersible will never rinse off the stink of television advertising... never.,,
13:16 Alias yeah, I can imagine
13:16 Alias You're definitely one-up on me
13:17 Alias ... so far
13:19 submersible hooray - i win the questionable morals race
13:19 submersible ... so far
13:19 rhebus I did charity mugging once, I can't decide if that's better or worse
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13:22 rhebus at least the end is justifiable, even if the means are not
13:22 azawawi rhebus: what end? :)
13:22 rhebus charity mugging
13:22 azawawi ah
13:23 Alias It was to help fund a half-way house for paroled muggers
13:25 rhebus grr cmd.exe tab-completion is horrible
13:26 azawawi Alias: any input on the embedded HTML browser (Wx::WebKit or wxWebConnect)?
13:28 Alias azawawi: Compilation wins, full stop
13:28 azawawi Alias: ah i see you answered the email... thx
13:28 Alias "Just make it fucking easy to install" etc
13:28 Alias I'd rather keep the current shit one than move to something hard to install
13:28 azawawi our new Padre slogan?
13:29 Alias Nah
13:29 Alias our slogan is "I'd rather have a shit feature than no feature at all" :)
13:29 szabgab http://szabgab.com/talks.html#padre-fosdem-2010
13:30 szabgab the slides: http://szabgab.com/talks/P​adre/padre_fosdem_2010.xul
13:30 azawawi szabgab: cool... i wanted to ask you about that :)
13:30 szabgab and http://szabgab.com/talks.htm​l#distributing-cpan-packages
13:31 azawawi szabgab: cant open the zool link.. on FF 3.6
13:31 azawawi szabgab: what are you using?
13:31 Sewi same on opera win
13:31 szabgab works on 3.5.7
13:32 szabgab that's not too good
13:32 El_Che works on 3.5.7 64-bit build of ubuntu
13:32 Sewi Chrome just downloads it
13:32 azawawi Sewi: yeah since it is not a XULRunner...
13:33 azawawi Sewi: firefox --app your-xul-app-on-local-file-system
13:33 azawawi Sewi: if it is a URL drop the --app
13:33 Sewi azawawi: This fill fail.
13:34 Sewi It requires an installed firefox :-(
13:36 * azawawi goes back to a previous FF release
13:36 szabgab I don't know why does it fail on newer FF but maybe it means I need to switch to plain HTML slides (agian)
13:36 azawawi szabgab: debugging it :)
13:37 Sewi FF 3.0.7 runs it
13:39 azawawi szabgab: croaks on Google Analytics code... but even when removed it doesnt work properly
13:39 azawawi szabgab: reverting to older FF
13:50 azawawi szabgab: works perfectly in FF 3.5.7 win32
13:50 azawawi szabgab: seems like they introduced a XULRunner version in 3.6
13:54 kthakore ~/wi/win 2
13:54 El_Che for whoever runs linux on their laptop: http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2010​/02/09/dell-windows-refund-win/
13:54 El_Che I got 97€ for the windows license from dell
13:54 El_Che nice present
13:55 azawawi El_Che: cool
13:56 * azawawi &
14:42 Hyppolit svn: r10654 | sblandin++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10654
14:42 Hyppolit Updated Padre Italian translation
14:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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19:42 LeK hi
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21:54 LeK can someone tell me if padre should give contextual help to module functions when typing (giving "popup help" when using Data::Dumper as it gives when I type "print") ?
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22:34 Hyppolit svn: r10655 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/10655
22:34 Hyppolit working copy changes - broken everything
22:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padr​e/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/Global/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Pad​re/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/Local/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Pl​ugin/Swarm/Transport/Local/Multicast/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Swarm/
23:29 Sewi LeK: The first question should be: How many people use context help?
23:34 LeK ?
23:34 submersible1 LeK: you mean giving the help when u type 'use Data::Dumper' or when you type 'Dumper $' ?
23:34 LeK i mean the second one
23:35 submersible1 I'm sure it's possible, implementing might be somewhat ugly
23:35 LeK i used dumper as an example, but when I mess around with win32::GuiTest, I do would find context help useful :)
23:36 submersible1 the difficulty would be 'intuiting' what symbols are exported into your namespace - so PPI analysis.
23:36 LeK submersible, you mean that Padre only show context help for core functions? there is no reason for this to work on cpan too now?
23:38 LeK in fact, i wasn't sure if there was a problem or not that padre displays help for print, but not win32::guitest::WMGetText (for example)
23:39 LeK submersible, it could be difficult to get perfection, but using ppi to find "use xxx" or "use xxx qw(func1 func2)" could be interesting (in fact, i thought it was working this way :) )
23:40 LeK sewi, you mean it wouldn't be a useful thing?
23:48 LeK i have to go, maybe another time...
23:48 Sewi It would be useful for modules rarely used.
23:48 Sewi But it won't be useful for the 1000st time you use Data::Dumper::Dumper.
23:48 LeK or for beginners...
23:48 Sewi I disabled the context help again but I don't know how other people use it.
23:48 LeK there's enough cpan modules to discover not to know all of them
23:50 Sewi sure
23:50 LeK when i try www::mechanize, lwp, xml simple, html parse, json, etc... i always try new modules :)
23:51 LeK that was just an idea, maybe one day, when padre is v2.7
23:51 Sewi This is why I'm using two screens: one for CPAN and one for Padre :-)
23:51 LeK erf, unlucky me; having just one screen
23:53 Sewi It's a good idea but I won't use it unless it's intelligent. I don't need help for calls used 10-1000 times a week, but it'd help for  less frequent used modules
23:53 Sewi time for bed now.
23:53 Sewi cu tomorrow...
23:53 LeK same for me, cu later

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